This Sanchez Chap
 

I fully admit that I'm not very savvy when it comes to football, but while watching the Chiefs game this weekend, CBS suddenly turned to the Jets' game instead (I'm not really sure why). Anyway, the Jets had a QB named Sanchez that seemed really good a throwing the ball (which is, I think, the primary goal of a QB). So, I started thinking: "I think this is the chap who the Chiefs could have drafted this year, but didn't."

Is that correct?

If so, how much are the Jets paying this Sanchez fellow in comparison to Cassel?

Thanks.

Uh yea that's the guy...and they have similar contracts.

Pioli was starting out on his own. Fellow Pats leaving the nest have not faired well. He took a known commodity for a 2nd rounder on a team full of holes. Can't blame him.

Sir, that is a lot of shit you are trying to stir. Might I fetch you a larger spoon?

ROFL

A career backup QB isn't exactly a known commodity.

That's a nice point, honestly the part about the Pats assistants not faring well is something to be concerned about.

LMAO

:)

I dare say we got a jolly good rogering...:doh!:

Similar? Could you perhaps be more specific? Did the Chiefs not give up a draft pick for Cassel?

**** Sanchez and **** you.

Whom.

I'm appalled at this from you, Donger.

Every one associated with the Pats organization is cashing in on Bill Belichick's success, but none of them have achieved squat and the Pats have kept right on winning.

The Chiefs traded a 2 for Cassel...

Cassel has a 6 year 60 mill contract with I think 28 guaranteed...

Sanchez has a 5 year deal with about 50 mill with also 28 guaranteed so similar deals.

:popcorn:

This thread chaps my ass.

I think that there was some consternation about not picking Sanchez here with the first round, but honestly, that seemed silly at the time. I'm an admitted football neophyte, but watching Cassel versus Sanchez on Sunday, it certainly seemed like Sanchez is superior and that not taking him in the first round was a blunder of Operation Barbarossa-ish proportion.

Am I wrong?

Errr, okay.

The bigger question we all should ask ourselves here is, would Sanchez succeed behind this awful offensive line the Chiefs employ?

I would probably incline to say "no".

Why?

Nope.

Are you aware that Sanchez is 22 and Cassel is 27 so what's that say if you feel Sanchez is better right now?

That's, "Dirty" Sanchez, to you, mister.

And the Jets do not have to trade a pick for getting Sanchez, yes?

Standards, of course.

This is such NY media driven crap. Sanchez has not exactly lit the place up. Put him on the shitty Chiefs you think he'd do any better? Put Cassel on the Jets with the talent there and he would put up more than 165 yards. I think he showed last year what he could do with a supporting cast.
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Well the Jets traded up in the draft for him...

The Chiefs basically picked Tyson Jackson instead of Sanchez they didn't use that very pick.

If you really cared for Sanchez you wouldn't want he to be with such a loser franchise.

He's younger and presumably more resistant to injury, right? Maybe faster?

The thing is no one in their right mind picked the Jets to be 3-0 everyone had them last winning 4 or 5 games so of course Sanchez is getting a ton of play.

That Sanchez is better younger than Cassel is older?

Well, you do know none of them have Tom Brady.

It probably means that in 5 years everyone will talk about the move as a blunder.

yeah, go root for the Jets buddy.

The Jets traded their 1st round pick and a couple of players for the rights to Clevelands 1st round pick.

Is it really sad that actually my first thought when I realized that we wouldn't get him was "the guy is a winner of course we wouldn't want him"

But the Chiefs did not have to do that, right? They could have just selected Sanchez and chose not to do so?

Yea pretty much, Sanchez was there at their pick.

But its more the defense than it is Sanchez playing like Dan Marino in 1983. They beat the Patriots 16-9. It wasn't because of Sanchez.
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Yes, the Chiefs could have selected him without trading away the #34 pick in the draft. Sanchez was drafted 5th by the Jets.

:Poke:

Its no secret Sanchez is playing well, but he'd be complete ass behind our OL. The Jets also so have a TON more talent at other positions than we currently do.

So is this always going to be "hey Cassel is on a worse team so we can't compare them" no matter what?

If Sanchez got hurt behind this line Haley's lawn would be covered in fan poo.

Don't want to hijack a thread, but what is your take on Barkley after 3 starts? Someone to keep an eye on for future reference?

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Kid's got hops

At this point in time, yes.

That seems fair. The Chiefs' line does look vaguely like the football equivalent of the Maginot Line. But, I ask you: do you not feel somewhat remiss that you can't judge that in reality? You don't KNOW that Sanchez wouldn't do better back there than Cassel, right?

Any talented QB playing in a pro style offense is worth looking at.

How do all think Sanchez would be doing with the Chiefs. Croyle. Thigpen. Cassel. Sanchez. Brady. Manning. This offensive line sucks so bad it wouldn't make one bit of difference. Sanchez throws for 200 yards on a team with some talent and is hailed as Johnny Unitas. Matt Cassel had back to back 400 yard games last year. You think the surrounding talent has some bearing on what's going on right now with the 2 QBs?

And despite my CP name I'm a little baffled at the lack of movement by the GM regarding the OL and I'm extemely unimpressed with Haley so far. Cassel has done nothing to erase what I watched all last year from him, he has not been given a chance.
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Do you like what you see out of him yet?

Shouldn't Cassel be better right now since he's not a rookie and is 5 years older?

I remember that argument for Cassel being he could hit the ground running and he's not a rookie etc etc...

So Sanchez has more upside and is playing better early, so what exactly is the positive Cassel has over him he once played for New England?

Better question: Will he be a better QB in 3 years (when we actually have an O-line) at age 24 than Cassel will be at age 30?

Final question: Could we have gotten a 5 technique that is the rough equivalent of Tyson Jackson at the beginning of the 2nd and paid a metric !@#$ton less for him?

We're paying a hell of a lot more for Cassel/Jackson than we would've paid for Sanchez/2nd best 5 technique and getting less production and far less upside for our efforts.

It was a cluster!@#$ of monumental proportions for Saint Pioli.

Well yea, he's a true freshman starting and succeeding at SC, that's impressive in it's own right.

I don't think Jesus would fair better.

Mark Sanchez is making good decisions, and making plays on third down and long situtions.

You dumb****s who can't recognize that simply don't want to admit that you are dumb****s.

Here you go...Barkley hangs in the pocket and takes the hit to make his throw...I don't even see Cassel do this to be frank...

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I just haven't seen him much. I did see his last drive against OSU... my son had a pee wee league game that night and I missed the game up to that point... and I was pretty impressed with his poise.

Well, yes, sandals are slippery. But you don't know. Do the people who think/believe that Sanchez was not the right choice feel a little longing now?

Nice! :thumb:

As someone who wanted Mark Sanchez to play for the Chiefs watching him play for the Jets makes me wanna puke.

The answer to all of that is our OL sucks. Period. It all starts up front. You know this. I don't care how much expierence either QB has. Couple that with the shit we have at WR and its a recipe for disaster, which is what we've seen thus far. I wanted Stafford or Sanchez.

Moves like Cassel over Sanchez is why we haven't won shit in 40 years and continue to suck, being a Chiefs fan is like having battered wife syndrome.

Just to be clear, I said Sanchez is playing well, so I'm not a dumb****...at least not about this...:D

Longing for what? He's not the reason the Jets are 3-0. Its sounds like a nice story. but its just not the case.
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To be fair, our WRs rarely get that kind of separation.

Longing for seeing Sanchez as the starting QB for the Chiefs, of course.

How do the receivers between the two teams compare? How about the OL?

The guy making that catch would start for us...

Are you going to tell me the Jets OL sucks like the Chiefs does?
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If you think they'd be 3-0 with Kellen Clemens under center I have some reality for you...

Most likely.

Herm would have ruined Sanchez if he were drafted by the Chiefs.

No way he would have been successful with all of the Coors Light commercials that air during our games.

No, I'm not. I'm asking if the Jets' OL is significantly better than the Chiefs', and if so, why.

It's Damian Williams who's going to be a 1st round pick so it's pretty much guaranteed.

Becaue the Jets are smart and invested some money in their OL instead of putting guys like Ichy ass dookie and Nice dick as starters out there.

He's not THE reason, but a big part of it. For a rookie, he is playing very well!

So, you are asserting that the Jets' OL is far superior than the Chiefs' OL?

We aren't comparing Sanchez and Clemens. There is no reason not to think they would be 3-0 with Cassel. And Cassel wouldn't be throwing for 165 yards. Give Cassel some players and he'd be having 280 to 300 yard games up there.
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