Pass interference call on Page
 

Might be the worst call I've ever seen.

yeah, I think it had to do with the pink wristbands the refs were wearing... That was a legal hit.

You need to change the title of this thread to appropriately reflect your anger.

I don't remember a PI call on him. Do you mean the Personal Foul?

Tony G's offensive PI call in the Indy divisional playoff game in 2003 was the worst call I've ever seen.


Literally. And not to mention that cost us points.

It happened right in front of us and it was a great play by Page in delivering the hit and separating the receiver and the ball. It wasn't even close. In fact it was GIF'D up worthy.

No it was PI. I think Manningham was the receiver. They scored on the very next play.

Yep. Page definitely wins ASS WHIP of the week.

It was a bad call. In the old days there would have been an envelope with a couple of Benjamins inside it sitting in Page's locker after the game.

As far as I'm concerned with all the rule changes regarding not being able to hit WRs and QBs, they should draw a line in the record books and have historic and modern stats from now on. You can't compare QB's of 20 years ago who got knocked around "late", below the knees, on scrambles and tossed to the ground like ragdolls, with QBs of today. You can't compare WR's of yesteryear with modern day guys who don't get jammed down the field and who don't have to worry about getting hit coming across the middle.

The refs have been a shitfest all season long. Another thing too. The good teams get the calls in the trenches. Giants were holding all game.

Not only was it a bad call, but the ref who threw the flag was laughing about it afterwards. What a douche.

It wasn't a PI, it was a personal foul, helmet to helmet contact.

Well was it helmet to helmet? I didn't have the benefit of replay yesterday.

Petty sure it was defenseless receiver..... either way...shit call.

No, he hit his shoulder pad. Clean hit.

The play I'm thinking about was Page hitting Steve Smith high, they called a PF but there was no helmet to helmet contact.

Agreed. He had the ball in his hands when he got hit. The pussification of the NFL continues.

Yep, all the TV guys on every network said it was a bad call.

We have really been getting shit on by the refs.
I seriously think they all Hate Haley, and think he's an ass, and are going to **** him constantly.

Don't forget the Chiefs had to challenge the spot of the ball on that one play. The ref tried to short us like a yard and a half on it.

Another instance that stands out was a play where Wade(?) was interfered with right infront of good ole Blow Job 112. He left his flag in his pocket and another official from 10 yards away threw the flag.

The call was helmet to helmet. The announcer even made a comment on Page getting fined for the helmet to helmet penalty. It was a complete bs call. He clearly hit him with his shoulder. If a defender cant hit like that over the middle, they need to outlaw passes being thrown there. It was a rediculous call. At first one of the announcers went on and on about how you can't lead with your helmet. Finally he had to back track and say he was wrong and Page lead with his shoulder not his helmet.

Honestly, I think that guy didnt throw his flag because Bowe pushed off as much as he was interfered with. Watch the replay Bowe pushed off first. I thought we were fortunate to get the flag even though the defender did hit bow in the facemask.

Quick Question?
Are you talking about the one in the endzone?

The bad thing about this call was the next play was another deep pass route for a TD. If the previous play stands, NY has to punt. I'm pretty sure that was a third down play, wasn't it?

Anyway, that call broke all the defensive momentum. We were playing catch up all day after that.

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No way the worst. That would be the roughing the passer on Suggs at NE. He grazed Brady's leg and got flagged.

Barely touched him literally.

2nd down.

Still a huge momentum shift for the Defense at that point.

That wasn't even close to the worst call I have ever seen, but it sure did deflate the D a little bit.

Serious thought:

We have instant replay and I think it works. There must be some mechanism that would allow such obviously disputable calls to be challenged.

Negatives:

1. Disruption of play (isn't that true of instant replay?)
2. Calling out the ref or his crew (something I could care less about)
3. ________(Fill in the blank)

Positives:

Pretty damn obvious.

The question is; who does this? The replay booth seems a good start.

Would alter the game significantly. The Chiefs would at least been in 1 AFC title game in 90's.

I should edit the original post as I thought it was a PI call. Were that the case it would easily be the worst call I've ever seen. Seeing that it was actually a personal foul, still makes it BS, but not the worst I've seen.

It wasn't pass interference. It was a personal foul. And it was far from the worst personal foul call I've seen.

But, it was a bad call.

We were in one AFC title game in the 90's.

I think its one of the worst I've seen too.

Worst one ever would be the 'roughing the passer' call against I believe Jared Allen a few years ago while playing the Cowboys when his hand barely touched Romo, I mean barely touched the guy, giving the cowboys another play at the end of the game which they used to win the game.

That call ruined the entire game. This call was terrible, but this was the Giants game no matter how you cut it

GIF please.

Yep. That shit is out of ****ing control. As much as I hate Ray Lewis, he was justified on his little rant there.

As far as out play, that too was horseshit. I don't even know why they would have even thought to throw the flag in the first place. Shit, they teach you that in high school. As soon as he catches the ball, plow your shoulder through his chest.

WTF is the dea with the refs?
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theres a good little article in this weeks rolling stone on the nfl by matt taibbi, and a little section of it is about the rules changes on cornerbacks that had me lolz

What about the roughing the passer when we played GB a couple years ago?

Dude's hand barely touched his helmet. Then Huard gets helmet to helmeted late, and guess what? No flag.

This particular call was a Personal foul due to a defenseless WR. It was not helmet to helmet and was not called helmet to helmet. Defenseless WR is when you go above the shoulder pads, but it can be your shoulder pad to their head.

Regardless, it was a piss poor call. I think it set the tone for the defense early.

With that, the Charles fumble and the onsides kick coming out of the half.... it is amazing the Chiefs were only down 17 points.

FYP. We sucked ourselves into a loss in the first quarter of every game we've played. This Herm Edwards v2.0 offense needs to die. Immediately. Rollout passes have to be part of the offense with Cassel as the QB, or we'll get no further each game.

If Haley is holding back the playbook just so he can make his job look more successful as the season goes along, then he's factored out that opponents get better as the season progresses, too.

nfl.com calls it "unnecessary roughness".

Some opponents get better, others worse.

But, the Chiefs face three of the best teams on their schedule already.

So, the record and production should improve over the next 12 games.

They've taken too much away from the defensive side of the ball. It's absurd. I want big hits. I want QBs injured for weeks. EACH player gets paid to do their job. I'm sick of the QBs getting preferential treatment.

Sorry wrong. Check out this source.
http://chiefsblog.kansascity.com/?q=node/1024

Sorry guys, it looked to me as if Page led with his helmet and in real time, it looked helmet to helmet.

In reality, it was helmet to shoulder pad but the bottom line is that if you don't want to get called for a personal foul, don't lead with your helmet.

Besides that, only losers complain about bad penalties. Shake it off and continue playing.

Who cares what you want?

Did you read the SI roundtable with 5 NFL QB's earlier this year? Carson Palmer predicts that someone will be killed. Seriously.

When you've got 300 pound guys who bench press 600 pounds that run 4.7 40's (basically like 35 miles an hour) hitting QB's in the motion of throwing, it only makes sense to protect those guys.

This isn't 1960, when guys weren't nearly as big, strong and fast as they are in 2009. They didn't have nutritionists, supplements and weight training. They didn't train 365 days a year. Many had full time jobs in the off-season.

The league MUST protect these guys. To think otherwise is uninformed and tenuous at best.

Page did exactly what he was supposed to do. Had he let Smith catch the ball without separating him from it his coaches would have been all over him asking why he let the receiver catch it.

It was a great call...if they were playing flag football.

BS. Carson Palmer is a pussy. He hasn't been playing in the NFL long enough to even have a say. Its like taking advise from Jessie Palmer. I am informed, I have been watching football for 40 years. QB's that would get clotheslined by the likes of guys like D. Jones would totally disagree.

Still dissagree. I saw the play, saw the ref make the call. I don't think they ever thought it was helmet to helmet. Just that Page went high. It was clear he didn't lead with his helmet even in real time.

Yay, you've been watching football for 40 years.

Big ****ing deal.

When I was a senior in high school in the mid-80's, I could bench press 225, run a 4.7 forty and was the second fastest guy on a State Championship football team in Kansas. I weighed 160 pounds (and wasn't all that good at football, quite honestly).

Guys today are 275 pounds, bench 600 and run a 4.7 forty. The collisions can be catastrophic, leading to brain injury, early death, etc. If you think that letting men of that size and speed collide into unprotected men at will, I'm sorry, but you're ****ing moron.

That's fine if you want to disagree but the facts state otherwise. It doens't really matter in the grand scheme of things. To be a good team you have to step up when you get adversity and that is something the Chiefs do not do.

You have got to be kidding me? It's football, you are getting paid millions of dollars, if you don't want to take what has been a legal hit since the beginning of football then go get a real job. The pussification never stops.

I don't even think your view of the replay is correct.

I know what he's saying. Years ago it was DBs hitting WR over the middle. You have D-linemen these days that drop back into pass coverage. You have safeties who are bigger than some d-linemen 20 years ago. I think the NFL thinks, "There's not many things that will keep fans away. People actually dying on the field is one of them." It could happen. I don't think it's very far fetched at all. I thought the call was bad yesterday, but I get the actual rule.

I wonder if you are the rudest prick asshole on this board? Must be because you are on a message board, since I know you would never have the balls to talk that way to someone in person. Seriously, why to you treat people like that? Did you not get enough attention as a kid? Skip the name calling there nancy before daddy has to put you over his knee.

So, they're getting paid "millions of dollars" to play football, not crush a defenseless quarterback.

Big difference.

You're a bigger moron that I initially suspected.

That may be. I'll re-watch it today but from my initial observation, it was helmet to shoulder pad.

I understand what he's saying, I just don't agree with it. Football is a sport that not anyone can play. I am not so much talking about QB's, I am talking about all these hits on wide outs being called. If a guy is trying to catch the ball, you better try to knock him into next week so he doesn't catch it. If it is a blatant head to head you can tell. That's fine call it, but if there is any doubt let them play football.

Shoulder pad to sternum.

That was sort of my problem with the call. The refs conferred for a minute it looked like; you'd think they could get it right at that point. And I agree that if you're a safety you have to make that hit if you want to stay on the roster.

To compare your days in PeeWee football with the NFL is funny at best. You think guys liked to try and tackle Jim Brown? You think it was fun getting hit by guys like Ronnie Lot? This is such a silly argument. While I will say a lot of players are bigger and faster now, they also have sooo many more rules like no clotheslines leading with helmet etc. etc. I don't think there is a big comparrison myself. That is just MY opinion.

Jeeze, man. You called Carson Palmer a ****ing pussy in your last post. Would you say that to HIS face? Dane's just showing how much football has changed in terms of strength and speed, and he's right.

I had no idea I was talking to Carson Palmer. Reread the posts

He doesn't have to insult and call other posters names all the time.

Do you have reading comprehension issues? I played football for a 6A State Championship Football team. Dozens of guys played at the major college level, even more at the junior college level. One of my former head coaches is a superstar coach in Kansas City. One of my high school friends was the head coach of a D-I university. As a matter of fact, I personally know PLENTY of guys who played in the NFL, outside of the guys I used to know that played for the Chiefs.

Your insults carry no water, Champ.

Hey Grandpa, this isn't 1960. Jim Brown wouldn't be the biggest, strongest running back on the block in 2009. That doesn't mean he wouldn't be successful but JFC, this isn't an era where guys sell insurance six months out of the year and go to training camp to get in shape.

These guys LIVE football, 24-7, 365 days a year. The have nutritionists, take supplements (legal and illegal) and quite honestly, are FREAKS of ****ing NATURE.

If tactics like clotheslining were allowed, we'd see deaths each week. How would YOU like to have a 6'6, 275 pound man running 40 miles an hour at you, unprotected? Do you think you'd survive?

Get a grip on reality.

Yeah, it's really cool when you call a 6'5, 235 Pro-Bowl QB a pussy, isn't it?

I am not just talking QB's, the thread title is about a hit on a WR. What are they supposed to do, let the guy catch it and score a TD? I mean, come on. A DB HAS to make that jarring hit to seperate the ball from the player in the NFL.
Example: Rodney Harrison will be in the HOF, he wouldn't even be able to play with these rules. He would have to have played a totally different kind of game.

Like Ray Lewis said after the game, maybe they should just put buzzers on the guys, and if you hit them and the buzzer goes off...Come on this is the NFL, there is supposed to be jarring hits, thats why they make the big bucks!

When Page hit him, had he wrapped him up and took him to the ground, It would have been a great tackle. In full speed it looked violent. Slow-mo shows it was a clean hit. Sometimes I wish plays like this were open to Challenge. Later in the game, Carr or Leggitt threw a forearm to the helmet of a Giants receiver(can't remember who now)but it wasn't called. The refs are very inconsistent.

well, that and talent

Dane, while I agree with you in principle, I do believe it is important to draw a distinction between a QB in the pocket, and a WR that has the ball in his possession.

FWIW, from my view, it looked like Page hit his shoulder.

Back to the QB thing, I think it is important to protect these guys, especially their knees, the APPLICATION of the rule should be reasonable. That call on Suggs almost whiff of Brady is flat out ridiculous.

It's really frustrating when you see our guy do what safeties are supposed to do which is seperate the reciever from the ball. The play was textbook but the offical inserted himself into the game when he didn't need to. Multiple replays shows Page hit with his shoulder. It's human nature for a player to letup somewhat on the next play because he might get another flag so why wouldn't the Giants throw the next play in the middle for a TD, if they know that if it's incomplete they have a good shot at getting an illegal contact call.

Carr's hit was to the head and I could see if THAT would have been called, but if Page doesn't make that hit, that play, EVERYONE is calling for him to follow Pollard out of here.

No, I'm with you. But I specifically cited a round table interview with five NFL QB's in SI recently that included Aaron Rodgers, Matt Ryan, Carson Palmer, Tony Romo and someone who escapes me. Palmer said that he believes that because these guys are getting strong and faster each year, the end result will be a death on the field.

FC58 then stated that "Carson Palmer is a pussy", then my rant that followed.

In typical Chiefsplanet fashion, the topic had been derided.

The refs are just WAY too biased for certain teams they seem to favor.

Ok I have to disagree with guys running 35 and 40 mph.

Let's say a guy runs a 4.5 forty which is pretty common in the NFL.

40/4.5 =8.89 yrd/sec

40/1760(yards to miles conversion) / 4.5/3600 (sec conversion)

.0227/.00125= 18.16 mph

So a guy running a 4.5 forty would be 18.16 mph.

Okay, I was just throwing a number out there.

Thanks for actually doing the math.

:thumb:

Dane, while I agree with some of what those QB's are saying ie hitting below the knees or on the head, tackle football is going to have guys rushing the passer and they are not playing two hand touch. To say a QB is going to die on the field because guys are getting bigger and faster is a little far fetched. QB's are getting bigger too and faster. But I am talking about hits in general, from DB, LB's or even that stupid call against the offense for running into the defense and then him flop on the ground like it was a basketball game.