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Amnorix - it's time for the Hoodie Bowl
Yeah, yeah... this is a Chiefs' board, but I wanted to stir something up with the resident NE fan. I definitely like the location of this game and it has to be nothing but a solid advantage for Denver. If Dallas was favored by a FG, I'm guessing NE will be favored by at least 6-7 points.
It is what it is, but if Denver's defense plays like they have in the first 4 games... then it's going to be a close game and one that Denver could actually win. Can they go 5-0? That's a tall freaking order, but they're slowly getting more aggressive on offense and defensively, they're going to be tested for 4 straight quarters with NE. The realists in me says Denver will not go 5-0... something has to give and Denver will lose a number of games this year, but I'm very optimistic about their chances of winning if they can put the pressure on Brady like they did with Romo. Amnorix - what do you think of this matchup? Oh, and the rest of you can chime in as well... this will be an interesting chess match between teacher and pupil. <<>>> Stats are stats... but, here you go. Total Offense Patriots - 8th Passing - 5th overall (273 ypg) / Rushing 18th (102 ypg) Broncos - 9th Passing - 17th overall (217 ypg) / Rushing 4th (148 ypg) NE averages 21.8 points per game / DEN averages 19.8 points per game NE ranked 3rd in TOP with 35+ minutes / DEN ranked 12th with 30+ minutes Total Defense Patriots - 8th Passing - 8th (192 ypg) / 11th (95 ypg) Broncos - 2nd Passing - 3rd overall (162 yg) / 5th (77 ypg) NE allowing 17.8 points per game / DEN allowing 6.5 points per game NE ranked 14th with 8 sacks / DEN ranked #1 with 15 sacks |
From what I remember, the Broncos always seem to give New England fits.
5-0 isn't out of the question for Denver, IMRO. |
The Donkeys are an aberration. They will come down to earth. I'd make the Pats about a 8-9 point favorite.
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Denver has a solid W/L record overall vs NE... 24 wins and 16 losses overall.
NE thumped Denver in 2008 in NE. DEN defeated NE in 2006 in NE and twice in 2005, once in the regular season and once in the playoffs - both in Denver. |
Denver could have an advantage over the Patriots in the coaching department this week. McDaniels knows everything about Tom Brady and the strengths and weakness of that offense.
Belichick knows McDaniels well, but he doesn't know our players and their strengths and weakness. This will be an interesting sideline chess match. |
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That doesn't mean you stop him. And laugh out freaking loud at the comment that McDaniels might have the coaching edge over Belichick. There is no way you believe the things you type on here. |
Is it wrong to wish for a meteor shower to hit the field during the game?
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Someone who coached that team for 8 years? Or someone who played them once every 4 years? McDaniels would know more than anyone what Tom Brady struggles against. He was his QB Coach after-all. McDaniels is one of the smartest coaches in the NFL. Mike Shanahan was great at coming up with a gameplan to start out hot early in the game, but he rarely made adjustments at halftime and we almost always started out slowly in the 3rd Quarter. McDaniels has been EXCELLENT at adjusting on the fly especially after halftime. |
Denver is better than people thought they'd be, especially on D. On O, I grudgingly concede that Knowshon was a good pick, and the formerly-unhappy WR has got game. Orton is a game manager who isn't asked to do too much, but if the O-line can chop-block... er, I mean, pass-protect--then he can get the job done.
Playing in Denver is always an advantage for the Broncos. McDaniels will add nothing to this week. As mentioned, EVERYONE knows what Brady can do. It's not like he's new to the league. And, trust me, Belichick always has tricks up his sleeve that he hasn't shown his minions. Belichick knows what it is that he has and hasn't shown McDaniels, so Belichick will gameplan accordingly. It'll probably be a close game, especially if Brady continues his off-target first-half performances. But the Broncos have yet to play an opponent as good as the Patriots, IMO. Yeah, their stats are better than the Pats, but they also played weaker teams. The Pats are on a weird roll where each team they play is undefeated at the time (Buffalo was 0-0, the Jets were 1-0, the Falcons were 2-0, the Ravens were 3-0, and the Broncos are 4-0). If the Broncos win, or keep it within 7, I'll concede that they're for real and have a solid shot at winning the AFC West, especially if the Chargers keep shitting their pants and underachieving. Really, nothing would surprise me this weekend. Big Pats win, squeaker win by either side, big Broncos win. Although, of course, as a Patriots fan I feel the latter is a very slim possibility. :) |
The Broncos can beat the Patriots, provided none of their defenders goes within three yards of Tom Brady. Any violation of Tom Brady's Personal Space will result in a 15 yard penalty and automatic first down.
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As a Patriots fan going to Denver is one game I'm always nervous. I've learned to hate the Broncos because they give us fits. But after beating Atlanta and the Ravens, if the Patriots can gpo in there and beat Denver they are all the way back.
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On the one hand, I agree with Rodney Harrison. The QBs are protected too much. On the other hand, "it is what it is". Everyone knows the rules. Everyone knows that if you even graze a QB's head with your hand it's getting called. Everyone knows that if you hit the knees it's getting called. Whether you meant it or not ain't worth shit. I'm pretty sure that Squirmin' Herman didn't tell the Chiefs D at the start of last season's opener, "Okay, no matter what, we have to take Brady out!" :shrug: The NFL has put the QB in a protective bubble. |
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Now, if Brady does NOT have a shaky first half, and has a nice 70% completion rate day of 400 yards and 4 TDs, then maybe HE is "all the way back". That's about it. |
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I think Brady is the only QB in the league who gets that call on Suggs. |
Will Belliturd shake McDaniels hand? Or blow him off?
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I also note that I'm sure his Ratness had no words of advice regarding his former players when he visited the Hooded One back during the Pats' training camp. I mean, it's not like they're friends and BB knew the Broncos were on the schedule or anything... http://cdn.necn.com/files/2009/08/05...ap-2161492.jpg |
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Mangina is dead, and his long slow demise in Cleveland is a joy to behold, though I pity the poor, long-suffering Browns fans who drove BB out of their town, and then had their team leave on them only to watch them both win SBs a few years later. |
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I know Shanahan was there. I also know that Shanahan visited the Steelers. 52% of last years' roster is gone. The only help Shanahan could give Belichick is with Denvers' offensive line. |
My thoughts, randomly stated:
1. Patriots have always had trouble with Denver, epsecially at Mile High. With Shanahan, especially, but even before him with Dan Reeves. 2. Patriots had TREMENDOUS turnover this past offseason. Much more than normal for any NFL team, much less one that went 11-5 last year. Lots of coaches left, not just McDaniels, and a number of senior players retired or were traded. Because of that, we started off very slow. Squeaking past the mediocre Bills, and losing to the Jets. But we're improving faster than any team in the NFL, as Brady gains more confidence and the defense learns each other's names (with Mayo out, only something like 4 starters otu of 11 returned on the defense). The Pats team that played the Ravens was exponentially better than the pathetic version that squeaked by Buffalo. 3. Patriots defense is surprisingly good. If Mayo comes back, and he may be back this week as he seemingly participated in practice last Friday, then look out. This defense may be much better than anyone had anticipated before the season started. 4. McDaniels is a good coach, and I have no doubt he has several very explicit thoughts on the weaknesses of the Patriots players. That said, it's not as if every other team in the NFL hasn't been attacking the Patriots' perceived weaknesses for years. You think Mangina didn't speak with other coaches and try to give them tips when he was HC of the NYJ? Haven't Patriots coaches left to go to other franchises before. Other players have moved on too -- Ty Law, Lawyer Milloy, Drew Bledsoe, the list is nearly endless. I think it will be a tough game, but I think the Patriots can and will take Marshall out of the game, as they did TO and Tony Gonzalez, while the Broncos will struggle to contain the rapidly improving Pats offense. I admit that I don't believe, yet, that the Broncos are "real". In fact, the entire AFCW seems pretty unreal to me, and not in a good way. |
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Like I said, I concede that the Broncos are better than expected. I had them pegged for 2nd or 3rd in the AFC West, at around 5 to 7 wins, maybe 8. It looks like they have a good shot at finishing over .500, maybe even winning the division. But 4-0 can turn sour quickly as well, so let's not print those playoff tickets until we see them finish this upcoming stretch against very tough teams. |
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Let me help you refresh your memory: http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/27288299/ |
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The Patriots owned the Colts. The Broncos owned the Patriots. The Colts owned the Broncos. Wash, rinse, repeat. |
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:shrug: Pats had an identical helmet slap penalty called for a hit on Flacco by Mike Wright, and the helmet slap thing has been a penalty for approximately forever. And, newslfash, going at or below the knees is a penalty now. You may not have heard, but they instituted this new rule about it a little while ago... Ray Lewis might wish the rules were teh same as when he came into the league in '97 or whatever. I wish that too sometimes, but all the players can do is play by the rules. |
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I humbly suggest that the Patriots have far more unstoppable juggernaut potential than the Broncos. Whether potential becomes reality has yet to be determined. |
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That's the BS part of the Suggs call. He didn't do anything outside the rules. He brushed close enough to Brady's legs for Brady to put on a show and the ref threw the flag. I don't believe any other qb in the league gets that call. The head slaps are a different story, the defender has to be smart enough to not hit the helmet, but there was nothing Suggs could have or should have done different. |
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What redeeming circumstances did I miss, other than that he didn't, in fact, blow out anyone's knee? |
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The helmet slaps in yesterday's Pats/Ravens game, by both players, were pretty damn soft. Neither one was a wind up and knock 'em out type of head shot. |
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If Suggs had had malicious intent, he could have messed Brady up pretty bad. I think most NFL fans are probably in agreement that the QB's are over-protected, but I also understand that the teams, the league, the networks and the sponsors all have a lot of money riding on the marquee QB's staying healthy. |
The Broncos being 4-0 is a HUGE crock of shit.
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Orton is a beast
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I could see a 20-17 ending to this one... I just hope that Denver does enough to be on the 20 side of that equation. |
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I'll say 24-14 or somesuch, Patriots. |
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The question, really, is going to be which Brady shows up (the off-target one of the first halves, or the more accurate Brady of the second halves). And which Patriots' O-line shows up. And whether or not the WRs catch all the passes or drop more of them. Depending on how all that goes, the Pats could hang 31 or 34 on Denver, or could only score 13. |
Right now - things look pretty balanced on the production of both teams.
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Finally, you're ignoring the fact that, unlike against the Ravens stellar defense, I expect the Pats to possess the ball for 35+ minutes against Denver, as they have against nearly every other team they have played this year. I think the Denver defense is performing over its head the first month here. Quote:
I'm expecting to see teh Pats offense improve steadily from here out, assuming no serious injuries. OLine did fine last week against the Ravens, other than the Suggs disaster. |
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Any word on whether the teams are wearing their throwback uniforms? It would make some sense. If it was later in the year, this game might get flexed to the night game, but I don't think they can do that until late Oct / early November. |
Well, the funny thing about the NFL is you can't always use that logic...
Denver beat Cincy... Cincy beats Green Bay and the Steelers. So, Denver should beat those teams... Right? I see where you're going, but surely you've seen enough football in your life that tells you just because the explosive Ravens failed to score more than 21 points as a team... that doesn't mean Denver can't hang 40 on the Patriots. Am I suggesting that happens? No, but it's every bit as likely as them struggling to just hit 14. NE had the ball for 37 minutes vs the Bills... NE had the ball for 39 minutes vs the Falcons ... NE had the ball for just under 35 minutes vs the Ravens ... NE had the ball for just under 30 minutes @ the Jets... NE had nearly identical TOP vs the Bills and Ravens. What does it really mean? The Jets played "lights out" defense and beat the Patriots ... The Jets didn't put up flashy numbers, just focused on creating issues for Brady and limiting what they do rushing and with Moss. Sounds like the team in Denver. |
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If this were in Foxboro, it'd be a different story. But that thin air, and a few long drives... This might be the first game of the year the Pats don't have the time-of-possession edge in. |
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Don't get me wrong. The Jets deserved to win. But just because the Jets beat the Pats in game 2 doesn't mean the Broncos can do the same thing in game 5, even if they run the same plays. |
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It's going to be a dog fight and a loss by Denver wouldn't shock me... I don't want anyone to confuse me for someone that thinks the Broncos have all of a sudden silenced the critics and are on the path to the playoffs. Prior to week 1, I was pretty clear when I said that 3-1 was my expectation after 4 weeks. If they end this next stretch at 4-4... yes, it will be disappointing, but it won't be a shock to my system. Denver still has a lot to prove... in part because of the Raiders and Browns being 2 of their wins. I don't see this as an easy win for either team... and whether NE has Welker or not, they're formidable anywhere. I'm not taking anything for granted, but I don't think it's going to be easy for NE and it's more than just the location. |
I was glancing at schedules and who some "top teams" have played... nobody really has played a stellar schedule yet.
Total wins by the teams they've faced: Falcons = 4 (2 of 2 wins vs Miami & Carolina) Ravens = 5 (2 of 3 wins vs KC and CLE) Denver = 6 (2 of 4 wins vs Oak and CLE) Patriots = 9 wins (2 of 3 wins vs Bills and Falcons) Each of those teams has had 2 wins vs teams considered to be spare... The Jets (I think have played the toughest schedule with 8 wins total), but 1 win was vs TN. The Bills have only defeated the Bucs, but they've also played the Pats, Saints. What does all this mean? I really dunno... :drool: ... only wanted to point out that Denver isn't alone with the soft looking schedule through 4 games. |
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What a strange board this is when we have a full-fledged discussion going on between multiple fans of other teams about a game that has nothing to do with the Chiefs. :hmmm:
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Here's what Denver wants to avoid... making this a Brady vs Orton air show. I don't think Orton can win that battle right now. Yes, he has a lot of weapons... but they're not as "in step" with each other as Brady and his weapons.
The defense needs consistent pressure on Brady... they have to do this in order to have a chance. |
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The Pats beat two opponents (Atlanta and Baltimore) who are head-and-shoulders better than what you've faced so far. If you want to say that the Broncos are exceeding expectations, fine. That the D is performing well, fine. That Orton is managing the offense well, that Knowshon has been solid so far, that Brandon Marshall is a top-flight WR... okay. But please don't act like the Broncos are some sort of unstoppable powerhouse simply because they've beaten a few pushovers so far. Your offense is as good as New England's? Ooookay. It's pretty simple. New England, San Diego, Baltimore, Pittsburgh. All teams expected to make the playoffs. Two doing pretty good, two struggling but still dangerous. Beat TWO of those four in the next month, and I'll be impressed. Hell, beat ONE and I'll concede the Broncos might win the AFC West. |
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Wait, what? |
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Like I said, the Patriots are trying to make their way back. They are a consistant contender that's in transition but they don't have the swagger they did 2001 thru 2007. Not to say it won't be there in December. But things are a bit off. My hats off to the Broncos.
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I was happily surprised and it was great to see the emotion explode at the end of the game. Wow, 5-0... never expected it and now 9 wins is a more realistic option (Oak and KC play in Denver, Denver plays @ KC and @ WAS - those are 4 potential wins, not to mention SD in Denver is always a reality). It's amazing how much differently this season has gone so far... but, it is still early and I will not let myself get all caught up in thinking ahead. It's all about @ SD now. I've seen monumental collapses before... so, one game at a time. |
Yeah...over it's head. 7 points allowed in the second half all year just doesn't seem like an accident.
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