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MGRS13 10-05-2009 06:09 PM

LJ on the hot seat?
 
AFC West hot seat
October 5, 2009 11:00 AM

Posted by ESPN.com’s Bill Williamson

We’re putting Larry Johnson on the hot seat.

And it wouldn’t be a surprise if the Chiefs do as well. If the team sees a viable alternative option (likely Jamaal Charles), Johnson could be in danger of losing his job.

He had 53 yards on 18 carries in a Kansas City loss to the Giants. Johnson has 189 yards on 72 carries so far this season, which is only 2.6 yards an attempt.

He's not getting great blocking from his weak offensive line, but Johnson, who turns 30 next month, isn’t creating many plays at all. If he continues to offer little, the hot seat will only get hotter.
Uncategorized, Kansas City Chiefs, Jamaal Charles, Larry Johnson

KCrockaholic 10-05-2009 06:12 PM

get rid of his lazy ass.

Mr. Flopnuts 10-05-2009 06:14 PM

I've been an LJ fan for a long time. I really hoped he'd work it out in KC and regain some of his mojo. Unfortunately even with this abysmal line, he's creating absolutely nothing. He makes way too much money for what he's producing. It's time to shit or get off the pot Larry.

KCrockaholic 10-05-2009 06:15 PM

I supported LJ this whole offseason and hes not done crap so far. I really believe Charles would offer more to this offense than LJ.

Mr. Flopnuts 10-05-2009 06:17 PM

I will say this much. It's hard to create anything when the opposing team's defense is two and a half feet in front of you when you get the ball. I'm not sure how reasonable it is to expect him to be Barry Sanders.

dirk digler 10-05-2009 06:18 PM

The problem is we really don't have anyone else. You can't count on Charles because he either fumbles or is hurt.

KCrockaholic 10-05-2009 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts (Post 6142502)
I will say this much. It's hard to create anything when the opposing team's defense is two and a half feet in front of you when you get the ball. I'm not sure how reasonable it is to expect him to be Barry Sanders.

I agree but when he does have a lane he needs to stay on his feet. Hes to busy diving himself onto the turf instead of staying on his feet and trying to pick up more yards. Hes very uncoordinated.

Sure-Oz 10-05-2009 06:21 PM

trade him to arz for boldin and beanie wells already wone!

PunkinDrublic 10-05-2009 06:21 PM

Like Charles would make a difference. A running back is going to struggle to find holes after being repeatedly hit immediately after getting the handoff. Even the best running backs struggle and get apprehensive after being nailed time and time again right after the handoff.

Hammock Parties 10-05-2009 06:31 PM

He just had his best game of the season (84 yards rushing before the shotgun draw disasters) and now he's on the hot seat....load of crap. Pull something else out of your ass Billy Williamson.

Blick 10-05-2009 06:32 PM

It's time to see if Charles can keep the fumbling to a minimum and stay healthy.

banyon 10-05-2009 06:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoChiefs (Post 6142561)
He just had his best game of the season (84 yards rushing before the shotgun draw disasters) and now he's on the hot seat....load of crap. Pull something else out of your ass Billy Williamson.

Yeah, if we just subtract his negative yards, he's an all-pro!

Also sad this was his "best" game in Week 4 and this is all we get.

He's a lazy broken vagina at this point, fitting for that "diamond cutter" sign he likes to flash, which might as well be a giant vag.

Hammock Parties 10-05-2009 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by banyon (Post 6142581)
Yeah, if we just subtract his negative yards, he's an all-pro!

Dude, he was averaging over 5 YPC before we started calling those stupid draws, on which he had zero chance to make positive yards, in the fourth quarter.

Those all came lumped together.

LJ was very productive for three and a half quarters yesterday...about the only bright spot in the entire game.

Bowe should be on the hot seat, dropping every pass but one. Christ.

MahiMike 10-05-2009 06:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoChiefs (Post 6142595)
Dude, he was averaging over 5 YPC before we started calling those stupid draws, on which he had zero chance to make positive yards, in the fourth quarter.

Those all came lumped together.

LJ was very productive for three and a half quarters yesterday...about the only bright spot in the entire game.

Bowe should be on the hot seat, dropping every pass but one. Christ.

I agree. Larry was running very hard yesterday. I think the message has gotten thru during the 2nd half of the Iggles game.

Deberg_1990 10-05-2009 06:48 PM

Im curious how the fans are gonna react when he breaks the Chiefs all time rushing record. Especially if he does it at Arrowhead.

Psyko Tek 10-05-2009 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by kcrockaholic4life (Post 6142494)
get rid of his lazy ass.

think his money is guareented it don't mstter
he's getting paid

Hammock Parties 10-05-2009 07:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 6142629)
Im curious how the fans are gonna react when he breaks the Chiefs all time rushing record. Especially if he does it at Arrowhead.

Fans at Arrowhead have always been pretty kind to LJ.

Its just the assholes on the internet who are reeruned about him.

MGRS13 10-05-2009 07:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoChiefs (Post 6142561)
He just had his best game of the season (84 yards rushing before the shotgun draw disasters) and now he's on the hot seat....load of crap. Pull something else out of your ass Billy Williamson.

And then he basically called out the coach to the media after the game. LJ's clock is ticking. He's going to blow shortly. He won't be a member of this team in the future, it's just a matter of how far into the future he is dropped.

Hammock Parties 10-05-2009 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by MGRS13 (Post 6142702)
And then he basically called out the coach to the media after the game. LJ's clock is ticking. He's going to blow shortly. He won't be a member of this team in the future, it's just a matter of how far into the future he is dropped.

Garbage. No one can really interpret that comment accurately. We have no idea what he was saying. Maybe he was saying the Giants had more confidence than the Chiefs. Maybe he was saying Haley is a prick who won't give him the ball on the goal line. Maybe he was calling out a teammate who ****ed up because of his ego.

We have no way of knowing. The Chiefs are 0-4 and he has kept the bitching to a minimum. He's a changed man.

GoHuge 10-05-2009 07:06 PM

I am left wondering after yesterday what exactly it was LJ was trying to pounce on the ground. He'd take two steps and dive at something on the ground. Was like my lab puppy when I throw a doggy treat in the grass. WTF was on the ground that would make a Pro Bowl RB quit running and just dive for the turf? He did it over 5 times!!!

Hammock Parties 10-05-2009 07:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoHuge39 (Post 6142709)
I am left wondering after yesterday what exactly it was LJ was trying to pounce on the ground. He'd take two steps and dive at something on the ground. Was like my lab puppy when I throw a doggy treat in the grass. WTF was on the ground that would make a Pro Bowl RB quit running and just dive for the turf? He did it over 5 times!!!

Shut the **** up. LJ was averaging 5 YPC yesterday. Only moronic fans with their heads up their ass are bashing him.

LOCOChief 10-05-2009 07:08 PM

I thought LJ ran hard yesterday. Our interior line just absolutely blows though, he didn't stand a chance on those draws at the end of the game, hell we were lucky the rush didn't get there before the exchange was made, but it was close more then once.

MGRS13 10-05-2009 07:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoChiefs (Post 6142708)
Garbage. No one can really interpret that comment accurately. We have no idea what he was saying. Maybe he was saying the Giants had more confidence than the Chiefs. Maybe he was saying Haley is a prick who won't give him the ball on the goal line. Maybe he was calling out a teammate who ****ed up because of his ego.

We have no way of knowing. The Chiefs are 0-4 and he has kept the bitching to a minimum. He's a changed man.

I would love to get to sell you a car or some property or something. You have to be the biggest sucker on the face of the earth, or have an insane since of humor. LJ a changed man? WOW really? Oh yea and mike brown still sucks.

Deberg_1990 10-05-2009 07:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoChiefs (Post 6142708)
Garbage. No one can really interpret that comment accurately. We have no idea what he was saying. Maybe he was saying the Giants had more confidence than the Chiefs. Maybe he was saying Haley is a prick who won't give him the ball on the goal line. Maybe he was calling out a teammate who ****ed up because of his ego.

We have no way of knowing. The Chiefs are 0-4 and he has kept the bitching to a minimum. He's a changed man.

I have no idea why you keep defending LJ so much??

But hes neither as bad as most on here make him out to be or as good as you wish he was.

Hes just average. Not his fault, but he makes waaay too much money to be average.

Skip Towne 10-05-2009 07:11 PM

I'd take a 6th for him but nobody would do it.

Hammock Parties 10-05-2009 07:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 6142734)
I have no idea why you keep defending LJ so much??

I have to compensate for the assholes who bash him for no reason.

boogblaster 10-05-2009 07:12 PM

LJ had a decent game .. till the draws in the fourth .. no one could have made yardage on those ....

RJ 10-05-2009 07:14 PM

An NFL running back has a short shelf life. Larry Johnson may be expired. Can't blame those dudes for getting every dime they can while they can.

seaofred 10-05-2009 07:27 PM

I hope he does break the Chiefs all time rushing record, and then pulls out a Priest jersey and p*sses on it.

Hammock Parties 10-05-2009 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by seaofred (Post 6142834)
I hope he does break the Chiefs all time rushing record, and then pulls out a Priest jersey and p*sses on it.

It would be better if he wiped his epic ass with it.

TEX 10-05-2009 07:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 6142734)
I have no idea why you keep defending LJ so much??

But hes neither as bad as most on here make him out to be or as good as you wish he was.

Hes just average. Not his fault, but he makes waaay too much money to be average.


He's "average" because his OL is way below average. LJ can still play, it's his OL that can't.

Skip Towne 10-05-2009 08:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 6142734)
I have no idea why you keep defending LJ so much??

But hes neither as bad as most on here make him out to be or as good as you wish he was.

Hes just average. Not his fault, but he makes waaay too much money to be average.

2.6 ypc is not average, it s out of the league. Mike Cloud numbers

milkman 10-05-2009 08:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kcrockaholic4life (Post 6142501)
I supported LJ this whole offseason and hes not done crap so far. I really believe Charles would offer more to this offense than LJ.

I think Charles would be slightly more productive.

However, I'm not sure the marginal improvement in production would out weigh the potential fumbles lost.

MGRS13 10-05-2009 08:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 6143103)
I think Charles would be slightly more productive.

However, I'm not sure the marginal improvement in production would out weigh the potential fumbles lost.

Our RB's=Our WR's=we are fuct.

milkman 10-05-2009 08:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by banyon (Post 6142581)
Yeah, if we just subtract his negative yards, he's an all-pro!

Also sad this was his "best" game in Week 4 and this is all we get.

He's a lazy broken vagina at this point, fitting for that "diamond cutter" sign he likes to flash, which might as well be a giant vag.

Claythan is right though.

LJ was having his best game of the season, but even I can't blame him for not doing anything on those draws.

Even Barry Sanders couldn't have done anything in those situations where the LBs were there as he was getting the handoff.

MGRS13 10-05-2009 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 6143126)
Claythan is right though.

LJ was having his best game of the season, but even I can't blame him for not doing anything on those draws.

Even Barry Sanders couldn't have done anything in those situations where the LBs were there as he was getting the handoff.

The O line is with out a doubt effecting LJ, really on offense who isn't it effecting? LJ is just the only one who is going to have a verbal breakdown in public about it.

Molitoth 10-05-2009 08:23 PM

Everytime LJ gets the ball, the Defense knows he is getting it. Not only that, but our offensive line just lets them right through.

I don't really EXPECT LJ to put up any good numbers. The playcalling and team coming out of KC right now is a total joke.

I agree that the chiefs need a more agile type of RB right now, and I want to see LJ suceed on another team. I hope he goes for the betterment of both sides.

patteeu 10-05-2009 08:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoHuge39 (Post 6142709)
I am left wondering after yesterday what exactly it was LJ was trying to pounce on the ground. He'd take two steps and dive at something on the ground. Was like my lab puppy when I throw a doggy treat in the grass. WTF was on the ground that would make a Pro Bowl RB quit running and just dive for the turf? He did it over 5 times!!!

I've been very critical of LJ for a couple of years now. As recently as the Baltimore game, I was convinced that LJ was a lost cause. But I've seen more effort from him in the last two games (Oakland and NYG, I didn't see the Philly game) than I've seen in a while. The dives you are talking about were examples of LJ taking a couple of extra yards at the end of each run that he hadn't been getting before. He was going down either way, it's just a matter of trying to get a couple extra or letting himself be taken backward instead. I agree with GoChiefs on this one.

milkman 10-05-2009 08:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TEX (Post 6142985)
He's "average" because his OL is way below average. LJ can still play, it's his OL that can't.

No.

He's an average back on the downside of his career.

He's never really had any vision or patience.

And he longer punishes when he does get into the second level like he did in his two good years.

keg in kc 10-05-2009 08:31 PM

It's not an either/or thing, he's lost two steps and he's playing behind a turd of a line. Suck + suck = doublesuck.

Ugly Duck 10-05-2009 09:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 6142734)
I have no idea why you keep defending LJ so much??... he makes waaay too much money to be average.

Yeah, but he's a loyal Chief:

ESPN: LJ throws the Chiefs under the bus

http://espn.go.com/nfl/

CaliforniaChief 10-05-2009 09:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 6143103)
I think Charles would be slightly more productive.

However, I'm not sure the marginal improvement in production would out weigh the potential fumbles lost.

Exactly. Charles KNOWS he has to hold on to the football and he can't do it. Why? Probably because he's not physically strong enough to take a beating on a play to play basis.

Charles would have been a better option on those delay draws though.


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