Cassel - yards per pass attempt.
 

Per Greg Easterbrook TMQ: "Matt Cassel, who recently signed one of the richest contracts in football history, averaged 2.4 yards per pass attempt on 32 throws."

Wow, that's horrible. If a receiver were to catch a ball on the LOS and just fall down (body extended) they'd pick up 2 yards. Haley might want to work on longer pass patterns.

Cassel is too dependent on the WRs to get YAC.

yikes. did you see sanchez's YPA? and Much younger than castle

Cassel is way too dependent on his line holding up long enough for his receivers to run more than a couple yards. He needs to step up into the pocket and throw it longer.

It's been awful. I would almost suggest going long on a few plays, whether or not the reciever can get open or not, at this point doesn't matter. Throw it out of bounds, 30 yards down the field a few times. Play-action, more. Mix it up. Get the FB involved in the run game. We have to spread the field.

What pocket? Rudy gets blown off the line almost every play and it is kinda hard to step up in pocket when your center is already there.

This.

I was thinking bootlegs would help this situation out. You want to take a guess at who had bootlegs as part of his offense..........our Ex-offensive coordinator.

Haley needs to work on Cassel's reverse speed. Then, we can use the 42 step drop to our advantage.

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Passing yardage is an interesting and difficult discussion.

First of all, I've never liked how the NFL does it. If Peyton Manning throws a 2-yard pass and the guy then runs for 50 yards, Manning gets credited with a 52-yard pass.

Second, as pointed out, you also have to factor in the receivers and their abilities to get YAC, as well as the play calls.

For example, in this past game, I noticed a lot of instances where the situation might be, say, 3rd-and-7, and Cassel threw a 2-yard pass and the guy got slammed to the ground, resulting in 4th-and-5 and a punt. Now, was that Haley and the coaches' fault, because that was the play call? Was it the receiver's fault, for running too short of a route? Was it Cassel's fault, for not finding the downfield option and checking down too soon to a guy who Cassel should've known was well short of the 1st-down marker? Was it the fault of the O-line or TE or other players, who didn't follow the play and provide downfield blocking?

When we watch on TV, it's hard to get a true feel for who was at fault for a particular f**kup. Another good example is how you'll see a long pass to a wide-open WR downfield, without a defensive player within 5 yards, and you automatically assume the CB blew the coverage... but sometmies, what you didn't see (or know) was that the CB was supposed to get over-the-top help from the S who blew HIS assignment.

"Matt Cassel, who recently signed one of the richest contracts in football history..."

Damn :cuss: Hanesworth wants a raise!

Damn!That's ugly no matter the excuse.As hard as I have been on Cassel,I still think with LOTS of help he can be a good QB.I'm just not sure I have faith in our drafting skills.
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our passing game just sucks so it's not much of a surprise.

Offensive line sucks which makes Haley nervous so Haley goes into a shell which brings the defense up to the LOS even more, which makes the running game even worse and Cassel have even less time.

Marty had the same problem


you HAVE TO GO DEEP even if it fails ... you have to push the defense back or your offense is just gonna continue to suck.

Agreed. We need to chuck it down the field early and open it up a little. Even if the plays go incomplete, it makes the defense have to respect the long ball.

You know what makes that number even uglier, NJ?

He had a FORTY THREE yard completion to Ryan.

But in fairness, I'm struggling to determine where Easterbrook arrived at 2.4 per attempt.

Cassel's gross passing yardage (no pun intended) was 127. Divide that by 32 attempts, and you get 3.9 per attempt.

Even if you take the sacks into the equation, you're looking at 88 net passing yards, divided by 32, or 2.75 per attempt.

Regardless, it ****ing sucks.

Figured it out.

He's taking sack yardage and the sack itself and including it.

Cassel has 32 attempts, but was sacked 5 times for 37 "attempts."

Take the 88 net passing yards, divide by 37, and you get 2.37, rounded up to 2.4.

A bit disingenuous, but the point stands.

They're going to fail no matter what they try. They suck, plain and simple.

So if the outcome is failure regardless, the secondary priority is keeping Pioli's golden boy from getting hurt.

Cassel is actually WORSE than Brodie "I've never seen a RB screen I didn't like" Croyle. I want to cry.

LOL @ the dipshits who think we have a single downfield threat.

I just laugh on Sundays, otherwise, I probably would too.

After Cassel threw that WR screen into the dirt on Sunday, the old OTW would have probably broken something.

The new OTW decided that he and Mrs OTW have too many nice things to be breaking over the next 6 years, so I just laugh.

I posted it a couple of weeks ago and nobody wanted to talk about it. Michael Lombardi said of all the team he saw in camp, the Chiefs were the slowest, specifically at WR. I heard him say last week that they might be the slowest WR corps he's EVER seen.

Screen passes are clearly not working this year.

I guess I should have said "I want to cry, metaphorically speaking." :)

I honestly don't really care much anymore.

Should have just taken Crabtree...

What's sad is that you can't even really call them screens.

Screens are designed to suck the rushers in and then throw the ball over their heads.

They're not going to work when the QB takes one step and throws the ball. Part of executing a successful screen is having the cajones to hang in there and really sell it.

Cassel seems to scared to want to do that.

I miss the Chan Gailey spread...

Can you believe he turned this same abortion into something positive last year? I mean...Jesus.

The right 53.

I think people are underestimating what Tony Gonzalez did for that spread offense.

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Lawrence was supposedly a 4.40 runner, Terrence Copper a 4.46 and Bradley a 4.36 at the combine.

On paper/on the track they have some speed.

LA-LA-LA-LA-LA-LA I CAN'T HEAR YOU!

Is overblown.

Our best WR so far wasn't even on the team during training camp.

It's just a testament to how far this franchise has fallen.

Copper and Lawrence are special teams players for now. Their speed is useless on offense (apart from end arounds).

Bradley is about as much a deep threat as another supposedly "fast" guy - Samie Parker.

Speed on the field, in pads, is as much about the head as it is the legs.

here come the know-it-alls

Oh no, someone is going to interrupt my brunch of ignorance, because if I hope that the Chiefs are good, and just implicitly trust people who are in the organization because they're Chiefs, somehow, they'll be good.

It's no one's fault but your own that you're a ****ing idiot. Remember that.

Having hope does not implicitly make one an idiot. Remember that.

This is kind of blown out of proportion. Maybe 4 years ago ths is true, but now, this is pretty average for a starter, and under the average for starting QB's if I had to guess.

Given our offensive line handicap and no separation from the WRs, Haley is going to have to spread the field like Gailey did, I think.

Showing a consistent pattern of support regardless of merit and only because of title does. Remember that.

This is what is strange to me. Haley came in saying that he was all about using whatever would utilize the talents of the players, yet his actions have shown him to be more about trying to implement a "mentality" and trying to pound square pegs in round holes...

I'm all for hope.

But while I'm hoping, I like to embrace as much evidence as possible to analyze the situation...because there's nothing hopeful about getting ****ed by Leonardo DePioli on the Titanic.

We're not talking about hope for the human race, or hope that there is a God.

We're talking about the hope that a football team can win a few games and maybe win a championship.

Showing a consistent pattern of support, regardless of merit, could merely mean that the hoper (is that a word?) doesn't view football through the same critical lense that he does other things.

Me too.

But when the evidence is overwhlelmingly negative, we're left with a couple of choices.

For me, not being a Chiefs fan just isn't an option.

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Everyone said we didn't have the talent last year either until Gailey switch up the systems. Then our offense suddenly became average.

You can "make do" and not be sucking shit like we are now.


Haley is overwhelmed ... hopefully he will settle down and improve, then this offseason we can get a QB coach and another offensive coach to help Haley run the offense.

Well, we did have 400 yards against the Raiders.

Even last year's infamous spread got shut down at times against good defenses.

Sucking shit against New York, Baltimore and Philly is probably not too much cause for alarm...I'll be pretty concerned if they are this bad against San Diego.

So lets say you have about 5 guys who can't block 5 other guys who are paid to hit you, ya know hypothetically speaking lets call this game Football, just throwing it out there. Logic would show that you have to get rid of the ball fast, where would you throw your ball in the 2 seconds and 3 to 5 steps that you have? Do you honestly expect the recievers to be much more than 10 yards down field in that matter of time?

The only thing this stat says to me is that our offensive line sucks so Cassel has to do alot of dinking and dunking, screens and slants because he doesnt have the time a Brett Favre has. And since we all knew that our Oline has been terrible for the past 4-5 years this post is bringing nothing new to the board that we haven't been talking about.

I think this is a very true statement. Haley is starting to look like somebody takes him out behind the shed every afternoon and beats him with a 2x4.

I believe his heart is in the right place ... he desperately wants to win and has high standards. He did, however, vastly underestimate the demands associated with serving as both HC and OC ... let alone QB coach. Big mistake.

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It's more than that Cassel doesn't have confidence to throw the ball past 10 yards for example look at the end of the 1st half in the raider game he should've taken a shot for the endzone or filed it out of bounds.

Yes.

KC receivers can only run 2.4 yards before the O-line fails.

This might be another reason why Pioli didn't go big in free agency. Not only are they evaluating existing talent,switching all the coaches and transitioning to new systems on both sides of the LOS but they have a n00b Head Coach who is learning his way during his first year.

I don't think you want some big time veteran free agents coming in and wondering "WTF" when all this transition is going on.

when you only throw the ball when you HAVE TO it doesn't help.

Chiefs blew their wad of cash on Cassel. Plain and simple.

If they could run 2.4 yards and then fall forward, they will double their yards per pass attempt.

At the combine LB's are supposed to have a 2.75 second 20 yard split. I presume KC receivers could cover around 20 yards before the 3 seconds Cassel has to throw the ball.

We should throw the ball as far as we can on every play for one full game just to get the leagues attention and then the next game make every offensive play a handoff up the middle. Then teams will get frustrated watching game film on us and not know what to expect.

Yep. I wasn't completely obvious until the Philly game for me, but Cassel looks absolutely frightened out there at times.

I've thought of that. I'm not sure that's the reason we didn't aggressively go after better talent this year, though.

My take is that everybody knew that this season was going to be very rough but, unfortunately, they really couldn't evaluate our roster until we had a training camp and some games under our belt.

Planeteers haven't talked about it much, but Pioli has. He's mentioned it several times ... stating that he needs to find guys who have talent but also "respond" to the coaches (meaning Haley), or words to that effect. I don't think they knew which current players were going to "respond", so the strategy was to more or less hold pat until the smoke clears and they can see the picture more clearly.

Of course, that theory gives Pioli the benefit of the doubt that, after watching film, he knew we were horrible.

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Huh? Isn't KC, like, $876 million under the cap or something, to the point where they actually got penalized monetarily for being too low-spending?

Frightened quarterbacks throw interceptions.

As long as he stands in there and takes hits I don't think he's scared.

:LOL: That's true. Mark Castle sucks.

Signing bonus money - Chiefs only have X amount of dollars for that.

At this point we pretty much have to give Pioli the benefit of the doubt. You might be able to judge a player pretty quickly but a coach takes longer ... a GM even longer still.

We'll have to wait and see what happens next offseason before we even begin to judge Pioli imo.

Yards per attempt is a critical statistic. We looked at it once before on here and it emerged as an amazingly important correlator to wins and losses.

Nevertheless, my guess is that, if our wide receivers could catch those slants, we would improve pretty quickly in that regard. Those kinds of plays require good timing, though, and our offensive timing is crap. At the snap, we look a whole lot like an orgy of 11 idiot monkeys playing grab ass.

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Doubtful. He hadn't signed the contract until the free agency period was well over. So it's not like there was anyone else of significance to sign.

Plus, we're still under the salary floor, so Pioli has to sign some guys to extensions to spend some of that money, otherwise we get fined.

Problem is, who the hell on this team do you sign to an extension?

He's not standing in there though. He's dumping the ball off as quickly as possible.

Len mentioned it at least 3 times on Sunday - Cassel was throwing the ball before the screen had any hope of getting setup.

I totally agree. It's very early.

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Right now, Todd Haley is the OC, the QB coach, and the head coach. I think it's fair to say, especially since he wanted the bullseye on him, that he's not doing a good job calling the offense or coaching the QB's, and it's showing...

Again its not salary cap space we are talking about it, its signing bonus money.

He has no faith in his line. Nor should he.

Nevertheless, it's gotten to him.

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That sounds like more of a timing issue to me...

Cassel has stood in the face of the rush plenty of times. I lose count of the snaps where he picks his ass up off the turf.

That could very well be the case.

But he's gotta nut up and run the play. If he wasn't playing so scared the offense would of be much more productive against the Giants.

He missed 2 touchdown passes and screwed up another handful of plays. We would of been in a competitive situation against the Giants if Cassel had played better.

It doesn't help that there is a continual rotation of Savage, Battle and Charles behind LJ. They need to stick with someone rather than "who had a better week of practice."