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chiefs1111 10-07-2009 06:19 AM

Browns trade Edwards to Jets
 
Braylon Edwards traded to the Jets Mort on Mike and Mike just broke it

Mecca 10-07-2009 06:19 AM

You ripped me off! LOL

chiefs1111 10-07-2009 06:20 AM

lol

Bane 10-07-2009 06:21 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefs1111 (Post 6147500)
Braylan Edwards traded to the Jets Mort on Mike and Mike just broke it

Damn.Rex Ryan will put his foot in Edwards ass if he acts like a lil girl with the Jets.:thumb:

chiefs1111 10-07-2009 06:21 AM

damn i didn't even spell his first name right lol

Hammock Parties 10-07-2009 06:23 AM

Sanchez sanchez sanchez sanchez sanchez sanchez

Chiefs win in December.

Mecca 10-07-2009 06:23 AM

You need some coffee man.

Deberg_1990 10-07-2009 06:24 AM

Solja boy sure has been awfully quiet in Tampa.

Delano 10-07-2009 06:25 AM

Any predictions on what the Jets gave up?
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Hammock Parties 10-07-2009 06:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Delano (Post 6147516)
Any predictions on what the Jets gave up?
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Dwayne Bowe.

Mecca 10-07-2009 06:26 AM

Probably not that much knowing what the Browns have been trading people for lately.

Gonzo 10-07-2009 06:26 AM

This officially makes the Browns the worst team in the NFL, don't you think? Wooohoo! We don't suck as much as they do!
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Bane 10-07-2009 06:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Delano (Post 6147516)
Any predictions on what the Jets gave up?
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Id be afraid to guess,but Im betting on too much.Then again as stupid as Man-Genius is,who knows.....ROFL

Mecca 10-07-2009 06:28 AM

Ahaha, according to Mortensen Edwards got traded because he doesn't like Mangini..since he took over and put in all of the rules and such..

Edwards filed a ton of grievances against them.

Mecca 10-07-2009 06:28 AM

Here's the update on what they gave up...

jets have traded for braylon edwards. they sent two picks, wr chansi stuckey and linebacker jason trusnick to cleveland

Hammock Parties 10-07-2009 06:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6147526)
Here's the update on what they gave up...

jets have traded for braylon edwards. they sent two picks, wr chansi stuckey and linebacker jason trusnick to cleveland

Stuckey has to be upset. LOL

Bane 10-07-2009 06:30 AM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs (Post 6147528)
Stuckey has to be upset. LOL

I bet....:doh!:

Delano 10-07-2009 06:30 AM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs (Post 6147518)
Dwayne Bowe.

lolwat
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Mecca 10-07-2009 06:30 AM

Edwards is 2 years removed from 1300 yards and 16 TDs, I say the Jets are winning this deal going away.

They traded a WR who is a 3 and a special teamer and probably some mid round picks for a guy who can be a 1 all because Mangini and him couldn't get along.

Hammock Parties 10-07-2009 06:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Delano (Post 6147532)
lolwat
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Well he's just not fitting in their system...the Chiefs sure got over the Jets on that one!

Mecca 10-07-2009 06:33 AM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs (Post 6147536)
Well he's just not fitting in their system...the Chiefs sure got over the Jets on that one!

That is pretty much what Edwards got traded for, he wouldn't bend for a Pats guy...

SAUTO 10-07-2009 06:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6147533)
Edwards is 2 years removed from 1300 yards and 16 TDs, I say the Jets are winning this deal going away.

They traded a WR who is a 3 and a special teamer and probably some mid round picks for a guy who can be a 1 all because Mangini and him couldn't get along.

i would bet that there is more to the story. like edwards punching someone the other night and being investigated by the nfl for it

Mecca 10-07-2009 06:36 AM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 6147540)
i would bet that there is more to the story. like edwards punching someone the other night and being investigated by the nfl for it

I already put what the more to it is, when Mangini came in he put in all these things where guys got fined etc etc.

Edwards filed a ton of grievances and basically didn't get along with him so this happened.

LaChapelle 10-07-2009 06:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 6147513)
Solja boy sure has been awfully quiet in Tampa.

The Bucs replaced the Browns as worst team according to several. HA

raybec 4 10-07-2009 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Gonzo (Post 6147520)
This officially makes the Browns the worst team in the NFL, don't you think? Wooohoo! We don't suck as much as they do!
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Hey show the Chiefs some respect.....we suck every bit as bad as they do.

Mecca 10-07-2009 06:56 AM

The draft picks are expected to be a 3 and a 5.

Amnorix 10-07-2009 07:01 AM

Well that sucks. WR is one of the few positions where the Jets really didn't have much above-average talent.

Mangenius is setting up the Browns well to be a very good team in about 2012 or 2013. Too bad he wont' last anywhere near that long...

Stinger 10-07-2009 07:10 AM

Weird season ...... I don't remember so many trade transactions during the season. It used to be that your roster was set at the beginning of the season. You might tweek off the your PS or wavier wire, but the trade deadline in football was not that big of deal. This year it has been non stop trades.

SAUTO 10-07-2009 07:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6147544)
I already put what the more to it is, when Mangini came in he put in all these things where guys got fined etc etc.

Edwards filed a ton of grievances and basically didn't get along with him so this happened.

funny that it happened right after the nfl stated that they were investigating him to see if he violated the conduct policy, for hitting a guy outside a club. but yeah keep thinking you know the only reason

OnTheWarpath15 10-07-2009 07:15 AM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 6147595)
funny that it happened right after the nfl stated that they were investigating him to see if he violated the conduct policy, for hitting a guy outside a club. but yeah keep thinking you know the only reason

Jason, you're being naive.

Cleveland has been trying to trade Edwards ever since Mangini took over. The Jets and the Giants were both rumored to be interested around the draft.

This alleged assault might have been the final straw, but it's far from the reason he's a Jet this morning.

SAUTO 10-07-2009 07:17 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6147603)
Jason, you're being naive.

Cleveland has been trying to trade Edwards ever since Mangini took over. The Jets and the Giants were both rumored to be interested around the draft.

This alleged assault might have been the final straw, but it's far from the reason he's a Jet this morning.

thats exactly what i'm trying to say here. i'm sure they had problems, thats a given with the reports out there, but it seems like they finally tired of his act when he punched that guy and now is being looked at for the conduct policy.

Mecca 10-07-2009 07:18 AM

I think that just happens to be the timing, they were trying to trade him regardless of that.

SAUTO 10-07-2009 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6147610)
I think that just happens to be the timing, they were trying to trade him regardless of that.

maybe, but i would say it didnt help the situation

The Bad Guy 10-07-2009 07:20 AM

The Browns got 3rd and 5th rounders from the Jets.

That's just highway robbery for the Jets. A special teams guy, a 3rd WR and 2 low picks for a guy who had 1600 yards 2 years ago.

These are the moves we should be making. I know we aren't one player away, but if you can get a young super talented player for low draft picks, Pioli should be throwing his hat in the ring.

I know it's unrealistic, but one can dream.

OnTheWarpath15 10-07-2009 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 6147607)
thats exactly what i'm trying to say here. i'm sure they had problems, thats a given with the reports out there, but it seems like they finally tired of his act when he punched that guy and now is being looked at for the conduct policy.

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6147610)
I think that just happens to be the timing, they were trying to trade him regardless of that.

This.

You don't pull off trades like this in that short a timeframe.

They've been working on this for a while.

Hell, they've probably been talking on and off since the draft.

OnTheWarpath15 10-07-2009 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 6147615)
The Browns got 3rd and 5th rounders from the Jets.

That's just highway robbery for the Jets. A special teams guy, a 3rd WR and 2 low picks for a guy who had 1600 yards 2 years ago.

These are the moves we should be making. I know we aren't one player away, but if you can get a young super talented player for low draft picks, Pioli should be throwing his hat in the ring.

I know it's unrealistic, but one can dream.

See, that's the thing Frank.

It's not unrealistic. It happened.

You're right, this is EXACTLY the kind of moves we should be making, but we didn't.

Why?

We all know the answer, and IMO, it's bullshit.

Christ, a team is giving away a 26 year old, 1600 yard WR, and we're not interested because he doesn't fit our personal profile?

Mecca 10-07-2009 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6147625)
See, that's the thing Frank.

It's not unrealistic. It happened.

You're right, this is EXACTLY the kind of moves we should be making, but we didn't.

Why?

We all know the answer, and IMO, it's bullshit.

Christ, a team is giving away a 26 year old, 1600 yard WR, and we're not interested because he doesn't fit our personal profile?

Dick Vermiel's profile is back!

'Hamas' Jenkins 10-07-2009 07:27 AM

LMAO....

This is exactly how you put a young QB in a position to succeed.

Maybe next time, our FO will learn this lesson.

Mile High Mania 10-07-2009 07:34 AM

Great move by the Jets... in one offseason they get a defensive minded HC that revamps that side of the ball, while drafting your QBotF and now trading for a young stud #1 WR

The arrow is pointing up for the JETS. Edwards, Cotchery, Keller, T Johnes, Washington...

I just don't see how Mangini can surive for much longer... geez. They have nothing for a ground game... a QB debacle, they traded their TE in offseason and now this...

Ugly.

Mecca 10-07-2009 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Mile High Mania (Post 6147653)
Great move by the Jets... in one offseason they get a defensive minded HC that revamps that side of the ball, while drafting your QBotF and now trading for a young stud #1 WR

The arrow is pointing up for the JETS. Edwards, Cotchery, Keller, T Johnes, Washington...

I just don't see how Mangini can surive for much longer... geez. They have nothing for a ground game... a QB debacle, they traded their TE in offseason and now this...

Ugly.

You didn't even count that they used another pick on Shonn Greene who is likely Jones replacement as the horse back next to Washington.

The Franchise 10-07-2009 07:46 AM

What the hell does this do to the value of Jerricho Cotchery in FF? Is Cotchery still the #1 or does he get bumped to #2?

Mr. Flopnuts 10-07-2009 07:46 AM

LeBron James called the mayor of Cleveland and asked him to intervene. There just wasn't room for both of them in that town.

Hammock Parties 10-07-2009 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 6147685)
What the hell does this do to the value of Jerricho Cotchery in FF? Is Cotchery still the #1 or does he get bumped to #2?

I don't know but I'm glad I have Thomas Jones. :evil:

Mecca 10-07-2009 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 6147685)
What the hell does this do to the value of Jerricho Cotchery in FF? Is Cotchery still the #1 or does he get bumped to #2?

It might actually help him with Edwards and Keller on the field together he'll always get singled up with the 2nd CB now.

OnTheWarpath15 10-07-2009 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6147692)
It might actually help him with Edwards and Keller on the field together he'll always get singled up with the 2nd CB now.

This.

The Bad Guy 10-07-2009 07:50 AM

Pioli is going to have to have one hell of an off-season for me to be as excited as I was when he was hired.

He's really made some horrid decisions here.

I don't have a problem paying Casssel. But paying him when he has no receivers, no TE, no line is like putting a muscle car engine in an el camino that doesn't run.

Going to the 3-4 and hiring Clancy freaking Pendergast is another nonsense move. We have no linebackers. No nose guard. But yes, let's go round peg square hole all over again.

The right 53 can lick my taint.

Mr. Flopnuts 10-07-2009 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 6147698)
Pioli is going to have to have one hell of an off-season for me to be as excited as I was when he was hired.

He's really made some horrid decisions here.

I don't have a problem paying Casssel. But paying him when he has no receivers, no TE, no line is like putting a muscle car engine in an el camino that doesn't run.

Going to the 3-4 and hiring Clancy freaking Pendergast is another nonsense move. We have no linebackers. No nose guard. But yes, let's go round peg square hole all over again.

The right 53 can lick my taint.

Esto

The Bad Guy 10-07-2009 07:53 AM

This right 53 is going to be as popular as Carl's 5-year plan. I can feel it.

Mecca 10-07-2009 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 6147709)
This right 53 is going to be as popular as Carl's 5-year plan. I can feel it.

Pretty much...it's off to a smashing start that's for sure.

OnTheWarpath15 10-07-2009 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 6147698)
Pioli is going to have to have one hell of an off-season for me to be as excited as I was when he was hired.

He's really made some horrid decisions here.

I don't have a problem paying Casssel. But paying him when he has no receivers, no TE, no line is like putting a muscle car engine in an el camino that doesn't run.

Going to the 3-4 and hiring Clancy freaking Pendergast is another nonsense move. We have no linebackers. No nose guard. But yes, let's go round peg square hole all over again.

The right 53 can lick my taint.

Im with you, except for the paying Cassel comment.

We held his rights. There was no upside to signing him to a long term deal before seeing him even come remotely close to the success he had in NE.

Show promise, get a long term deal.

Don't, and we're out nothing but the one year franchise number. That we're basically paying him anyway with the long term deal/guarantees.

Mecca 10-07-2009 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6147718)
Im with you, except for the paying Cassel comment.

We held his rights. There was no upside to signing him to a long term deal before seeing him even come remotely close to the success he had in NE.

Show promise, get a long term deal.

Don't, and we're out nothing but the one year franchise number. That we're basically paying him anyway with the long term deal/guarantees.

You and I both know they were never going to approach Cassel that way, as soon as he was traded for he was their guy for the next 5 years atleast.

If you trade a 2 for a guy then don't draft Sanchez and let Cassel walk after 1 year Pioli looks like an incompetent moron and is made fun of.

Cassel will likely be this teams QB as long as Pioli is here, they're married.

OnTheWarpath15 10-07-2009 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6147724)
You and I both know they were never going to approach Cassel that way, as soon as he was traded for he was their guy for the next 5 years atleast.

If you trade a 2 for a guy then don't draft Sanchez and let Cassel walk after 1 year Pioli looks like an incompetent moron and is made fun of.

Cassel will likely be this teams QB as long as Pioli is here, they're married.

Ego. /LJ

Agent V 10-07-2009 08:02 AM

In my eyes, this may be two strikes against Pioli. First was the mismanaged offensive line, now it's zero effort in making a play for a 26 year-old, proven receiver traded for nothing. Like Bad Guy said, if someone's giving up a player like this for next to nothing, you JUMP on that. But I'm not an NFL general manager, so what do I know...

It's his first season. I'm giving him plenty of time to improve the team. I'm still behind the guy, but while I'm supportive, I'm skeptical of these moves, or lack thereof. Better be one HELL of an offseason come late winter.

Mecca 10-07-2009 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6147727)
Ego. /LJ

Absolutely all GM's have ego's that's the QB he chose as his guy, he will start for atleast 5 years regardless of performance.

I find it kind of comical that Cassel is getting garbage time TD's to make his stats look nice though...but that still doesn't change his abysmal yardage totals in blowouts.

milkman 10-07-2009 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 6147631)
LMAO....

This is exactly how you put a young QB in a position to succeed.

Maybe next time, our FO will learn this lesson.

Well, it doesn't matter.

Mark Sanchez has no pocket presense, and isn't helping the Jets to wins.

I know this, cause the reerunian told me so.

nychief 10-07-2009 08:16 AM

Yes fire pioli!

God, we have the best fans in the NFL.

OnTheWarpath15 10-07-2009 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by nychief (Post 6147765)
Yes fire pioli!

God, we have the best fans in the NFL.

Wow, that was Talking Can-like.

Who said fire him?

Find a post, and quote it.

Mecca 10-07-2009 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6147773)
Wow, that was Talking Can-like.

Who said fire him?

Find a post, and quote it.

I love the strawman that gets put up if you dare question something.

The Bad Guy 10-07-2009 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by nychief (Post 6147765)
Yes fire pioli!

God, we have the best fans in the NFL.

Being unhappy with the moves he's made does not mean I'm calling him out to be canned.

God, we have some complete reeruns on here that can't read or comprehend anything.

Tribal Warfare 10-07-2009 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6147733)
Absolutely all GM's have ego's that's the QB he chose as his guy, he will start for atleast 5 years regardless of performance.

I would definitely agree, but Haley doesn't give a shit about contract status. That's the only reason why I would disagree because of Todd's history with QBs.

SAUTO 10-07-2009 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6147619)
This.

You don't pull off trades like this in that short a timeframe.

They've been working on this for a while.

Hell, they've probably been talking on and off since the draft.

probably but IMO you would have to be a little naive yourself to believe that the public relations part didnt play in some. Do you think that a browns player having a problem with lebron james and his crew does good for the browns PR dept? Thats probably why it happened now. The fans will maybe be more receptive to the deal now.

nychief 10-07-2009 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 6147779)
Being unhappy with the moves he's made does not mean I'm calling him out to be canned.

God, we have some complete reeruns on here that can't read or comprehend anything.


I read all the posts... it sounds to me like a bunch of little kids pissing their pants and kicking the dirt because the organization is in transition... well, guess what guys: losing sucks. But we asked for this... and for the time being we have to have patience. I seem to remember the same little kids where jumping for joy in January when SP came to town.

I understand that the losing is painful, I'm going through it too...

Can we at least not bitch about bryalon freakin' edwards and the Jets... BE is a ball dropping ****ing joke who was just run out of town because he assaulted some one.

JD10367 10-07-2009 08:53 AM

I don't think the deal was that bad for Cleveland. When you're rebuilding, four-for-one is never a bad thing. Yeah, it's a third WR. A ST guy... but a good ST guy. And a 3rd and 5th aren't exactly "low-round" picks, IMO. All for a guy who hasn't done much in the past season and a quarter, a guy who seemed to be a headcase for Cleveland, a guy who didn't want to be there and didn't want to play for that coach.

Seems like a fair deal for both sides. Jets filled a major need which might make the difference between 9-7 and missing the playoffs, or 10-6 or 11-5 and having the #4 WC slot or even winning the AFC East. Browns got four building chips for a guy who was a malcontent.

The Bad Guy 10-07-2009 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by nychief (Post 6147818)
I read all the posts... it sounds to me like a bunch of little kids pissing their pants and kicking the dirt because the organization is in transition... well, guess what guys: losing sucks. But we asked for this... and for the time being we have to have patience. I seem to remember the same little kids where jumping for joy in January when SP came to town.

I understand that the losing is painful, I'm going through it too...

Can we at least not bitch about bryalon freakin' edwards and the Jets... BE is a ball dropping ****ing joke who was just run out of town because he assaulted some one.

I can handle losing with this team. However, that doesn't mean I sit by like a minion like you and question any decision made by this front office. It has nothing to do with transition either.

I guess I'd rather piss my pants than be a yes person and get in line to suck on the teet of every move Pioli makes and call it "transition".

He's made several questionable moves this year and basically wasted a year of the "transition" time because of ignoring the offensive line and supplying his 60 million dollar QB with someone who can protect the investment.

It's really like building this huge house in a flood zone and not getting insurance to cover yourself.

milkman 10-07-2009 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare (Post 6147805)
I would definitely agree, but Haley doesn't give a shit about contract status. That's the only reason why I would disagree because of Todd's history with QBs.

It's not about contract status.

It's about the fact that Pioli traded for his guy and basically hitched his wagon to him.

Haley might not care about contract status, but you can damn sure bet that he cares about his boss.

Reaper16 10-07-2009 09:00 AM

LeBron runs that town. All would-be usurpers to the throne of King James are sent packing. CC Sabathia wins the Cy Young and is promptly shipped to Milwaukee. Cliff Lee wins the Cy Young and is exiled to Philadelphia. Braylon Edwards thinks he can start a revolution? He gets sent to the maximum security prison known as New York City; he'd best not get on Snake Plissken's bad side.

The Franchise 10-07-2009 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by JD10367 (Post 6147863)
I don't think the deal was that bad for Cleveland. When you're rebuilding, four-for-one is never a bad thing. Yeah, it's a third WR. A ST guy... but a good ST guy. And a 3rd and 5th aren't exactly "low-round" picks, IMO. All for a guy who hasn't done much in the past season and a quarter, a guy who seemed to be a headcase for Cleveland, a guy who didn't want to be there and didn't want to play for that coach.

Seems like a fair deal for both sides. Jets filled a major need which might make the difference between 9-7 and missing the playoffs, or 10-6 or 11-5 and having the #4 WC slot or even winning the AFC East. Browns got four building chips for a guy who was a malcontent.

Wait....it was only for those two guys and a 3rd and a 5th? ****....I would give that up for Edwards. Honestly....they can have a 3rd, 5th, Bradley and whomever they want.

****ing dumb.

philfree 10-07-2009 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 6147864)
I can handle losing with this team. However, that doesn't mean I sit by like a minion like you and question any decision made by this front office. It has nothing to do with transition either.

I guess I'd rather piss my pants than be a yes person and get in line to suck on the teet of every move Pioli makes and call it "transition".

He's made several questionable moves this year and basically wasted a year of the "transition" time because of ignoring the offensive line and supplying his 60 million dollar QB with someone who can protect the investment.

It's really like building this huge house in a flood zone and not getting insurance to cover yourself.

I don't know about several but I thought Pioli and Haley would have done more to address the O line. That said this year is about building the bottom of the roster not the top. IMO trading for Edwards doesn't fit that at this point.


PhilFree:arrow:

Param 10-07-2009 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefs1111 (Post 6147500)
Braylon Edwards traded to the Jets Mort on Mike and Mike just broke it

I guess New York needs someone to drop the crystal ball on new year's eve.

The Franchise 10-07-2009 09:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nychief (Post 6147818)
I read all the posts... it sounds to me like a bunch of little kids pissing their pants and kicking the dirt because the organization is in transition... well, guess what guys: losing sucks. But we asked for this... and for the time being we have to have patience. I seem to remember the same little kids where jumping for joy in January when SP came to town.

I understand that the losing is painful, I'm going through it too...

Can we at least not bitch about bryalon freakin' edwards and the Jets... BE is a ball dropping ****ing joke who was just run out of town because he assaulted some one.

Ummm.....get your facts straight.

From the beginning I have agreed that we were probably going to get killed this year and win maybe 2-4 games. But I NEVER asked for a GM to come in and do the following things:

1. Trade a 2nd round pick for a career backup QB.
2. Switch to a 3-4 defense when we don't have the pieces. All while hiring a Defensive Coor. that got fired from his previous team because his defenses were always inconsistent.
3. Draft a 3-4 DE with a top 5 pick....especially when there are two well thought of QBs coming out in the draft.
4. Neglecting the offensive line until the 5th round and signing Goff to start.
5. Signing said career backup QB to a $60 million dollar deal before he even proves he can do anything on this team.

jAZ 10-07-2009 09:26 AM

I lost out on my waiver wire claim of picking up Mendenhall for Edwards. Looks like that might be good news at this point. I needed a strong 3rd WR more than a backup RB anyway.

Mr. Flopnuts 10-07-2009 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 6147921)
Ummm.....get your facts straight.

From the beginning I have agreed that we were probably going to get killed this year and win maybe 2-4 games. But I NEVER asked for a GM to come in and do the following things:

1. Trade a 2nd round pick for a career backup QB.
2. Switch to a 3-4 defense when we don't have the pieces. All while hiring a Defensive Coor. that got fired from his previous team because his defenses were always inconsistent.
3. Draft a 3-4 DE with a top 5 pick....especially when there are two well thought of QBs coming out in the draft.
4. Neglecting the offensive line until the 5th round and signing Goff to start.
5. Signing said career backup QB to a $60 million dollar deal before he even proves he can do anything on this team.

That's not even all of the questionable actions from Pioli to this point either. If you're not scratching your head right now, you've been desensitized by Carl Peterson. And if you are scratching your head wondering what itches, those are little red flags.

I don't think anyone is screaming for the guy's head, but he's making a lot of WTF? moves.

Tribal Warfare 10-07-2009 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 6147873)
It's not about contract status.

It's about the fact that Pioli traded for his guy and basically hitched his wagon to him.

Haley might not care about contract status, but you can damn sure bet that he cares about his boss.

I remember Pioli saying something of the line as "If our QB works out excellent, but I'm not afraid of admitting a mistake if he doesn't"

Direckshun 10-07-2009 09:31 AM

THE RAGE IS MOUNTING.

Great deal for the Jets. And it's starting to really say something around here as every positive story that comes out for other teams is evolving into a negative story for the Chiefs on ChiefsPlanet.

I know I'm not like, the beacon of restraint on this board, but get a grip. This is going to be a very long bridge to a respectable team.

philfree 10-07-2009 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare (Post 6147947)
I remember Pioli saying something of the line as "If our QB works out excellent, but I'm not afraid of admitting a mistake if he doesn't"

Yeah I don't think Pioli and Cassel are tied to the hip like some others think. It's certainly not in Haleys history.

PhilFree:arrow:

The Franchise 10-07-2009 09:34 AM

Dude....no one is calling for Pioli and Haley to be fired. Seriously...some people need to understand. We're only questioning Pioli and Haley's offseason moves. Fixing the offensive line should have been priority #1. It doesn't matter if you have Kyle Boller or Peyton Manning as your QB....if you can't protect him....he'll play like complete shit.

I'll give him the benefit of the doubt on trading for Cassel. If he thinks he has it...then fine. But you don't trade for a QB...sign him to a $60 million dollar deal and then don't give him any blockers or weapons. It's ****ing reeruned.

Goff and Niswanger wouldn't start for ANY team in the league....yet they are our starting center and right guard.

Reaper16 10-07-2009 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by philfree (Post 6147955)
Yeah I don't think Pioli and Cassel are tied to the hip like some others think.

Rewarding a player with 60 million bucks for throwing a ton of six yard passes to Welker and RBs doesn't sound like a tied-at-the-hip situation. It sounds like a glued-at-the-hip situation. Soldered even.

nychief 10-07-2009 09:38 AM

obviously rhetoric is not one of your strong points.

what we were asking for was...change. we got it. now does that preclude questioning? no. but the amount of bitching and back and forth (trade gonzo! I miss gonzo! trade JA! I miss JA. draft! free agents! character! why can't eric hick go to the lockeroom! bryalon edwards?) going on is pretty comical.

we have to be patient, and hope SP has this under control soon. quite frankly the team was a tire fire when he arrived... it is gonna take awhile. this team is supposed to be built from the bottom up... lets see what they can do with a some time... again, the losing is painful - i understand.

philfree 10-07-2009 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Reaper16 (Post 6147966)
Rewarding a player with 60 million bucks for throwing a ton of six yard passes to Welker and RBs doesn't sound like a tied-at-the-hip situation. It sounds like a glued-at-the-hip situation. Soldered even.

Two years down the road Cassel's contract won't seem so binding. Seems like alot now but the way salaries and guaranteed money are escalating in the NFL I don't think it is.

PhilFree:arrow:

nychief 10-07-2009 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Reaper16 (Post 6147966)
Rewarding a player with 60 million bucks for throwing a ton of six yard passes to Welker and RBs doesn't sound like a tied-at-the-hip situation. It sounds like a glued-at-the-hip situation. Soldered even.

it the nfl... nothing is permanent. two years - if he is terrible - it is not so binding...


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