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The Bad Guy 10-08-2009 07:27 AM

Would you try to acquire Merriman?
 
Apparently the Chargers are putting him on the trade block. He hasn't been good at all lately.

With that said, would you try to acquire him for say a 5th or 6th rounder to have his rights next year if it's uncapped?

Or is he finished at the ripe age of 27?

I think this defense needs someone who can potentially collapse a pocket, so I say yes, but I also get too hung up on guys who performed well years ago.

Thoughs?

Dave Lane 10-08-2009 07:29 AM

I'd be all over it for a 5th or a 6th. Just wondering if the lack of roids caused his downfall

Hammock Parties 10-08-2009 07:29 AM

Well for a 5th or 6th you can't really go wrong.

Anything more than a 4th and you're playing with fire.

dirk digler 10-08-2009 07:30 AM

For a 5th or a 6th sure but I doubt the Chargers would trade him to a divisional opponent.

As far as Merriman being done it usually takes a player 2 years to fully recover from a serious knee injury like he had so it is hard to tell if he is done.

The Bad Guy 10-08-2009 07:31 AM

What if they wanted a 4th that could be a conditional #3 based on production?

Mecca 10-08-2009 07:32 AM

I don't think I'd trade for him, it's been obvious for awhile now they were going to walk away from him.

Dave Lane 10-08-2009 07:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 6150724)
What if they wanted a 4th that could be a conditional #3 based on production?

I'd still take this chance. The odds of hitting on a 4th round pick is way down there.

The Bad Guy 10-08-2009 07:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6150726)
I don't think I'd trade for him, it's been obvious for awhile now they were going to walk away from him.

I don't think they are going to just cut ties if next year is uncapped.

If he's let go, he's the one defensive player I try to sign immediately.

Molitoth 10-08-2009 07:40 AM

I'm not a fan of the guy, but I think putting him on a new team will probably cause a "spark" in his play. If he wanted to play for the chiefs and kick the Chargers ass twice a year that would be fine with me.

PunkinDrublic 10-08-2009 07:40 AM

No way his injuries are piling up and he's on his way out of the league. I'll bet he gets a cushy studio analysis job. All the players I hate manage to get one.

Quesadilla Joe 10-08-2009 07:43 AM

I could see the Patriots going after him. They have plenty of picks available and really don't have one solid passrusher. Merriman was the reason the Chargers defense was so good in 2006 and 2007.

Demonpenz 10-08-2009 07:49 AM

he needs to take a full year off from all the off the field issues and get right. I don't think he would be truely great or he wouldn't be on all those damn shows.

Radar Chief 10-08-2009 07:52 AM

:shrug: Can he play RT?

jidar 10-08-2009 07:53 AM

provided he stayed healthy this year I'd probably do it for a 3rd.
He's young, DEs play a long time and he's been great before, he can be at least good again.

The Bad Guy 10-08-2009 08:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Radar Chief (Post 6150762)
:shrug: Can he play RT?

Yes, let's ignore other holes so we can fix the Oline exclusively.

the Talking Can 10-08-2009 08:03 AM

he isn't shit without the roids, and his leg still looks fubar

CaliforniaChief 10-08-2009 08:05 AM

I agree with the earlier post about them not trading him to a division opponent. Having said that, I'd hit that yesterday. While they'll probably let him go, there's probably another team willing to give up a pick to get him.

JD10367 10-08-2009 08:05 AM

I agree, for a 5th or a 6th how could you NOT take a flier on the guy? 27 is 27. A guy that young, with his history on the field, is worth a 5th or 6th. Yeah, it was 'roids, yeah, he's had injury problems... but it's still worth it.

Hell, I despise the guy, and I'd be :whackit: with happiness if the Pats got him for a 5th or 6th...

Radar Chief 10-08-2009 08:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 6150776)
Yes, let's ignore other holes so we can fix the Oline exclusively.

Better yet, lets loose all common sense in man lust for a vet that won’t add any wins this season while throwing away draft picks in the middle of rebuilding.

Tribal Warfare 10-08-2009 08:11 AM

No, after his injury and no roids he's damaged goods and not worth it.

JD10367 10-08-2009 08:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Radar Chief (Post 6150795)
Better yet, lets loose all common sense in man lust for a vet that won’t add any wins this season while throwing away draft picks in the middle of rebuilding.

All depends on the pick. For Merriman, a 5th or 6th is not "throwing away a draft pick". Hell, he's probably worth a 5th AND 6th, or a lone 4th if you're really hot for him. I certainly wouldn't trade a 1st, 2nd, or 3rd for him.

Radar Chief 10-08-2009 08:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JD10367 (Post 6150799)
All depends on the pick. For Merriman, a 5th or 6th is not "throwing away a draft pick". Hell, he's probably worth a 5th AND 6th, or a lone 4th if you're really hot for him. I certainly wouldn't trade a 1st, 2nd, or 3rd for him.

Yea, I wouldn’t disagree. I’m not “hot” enough for a 4th but something after that wouldn’t bug me.

the Talking Can 10-08-2009 08:16 AM

no way he gets traded for a 5th

HotRoute 10-08-2009 08:17 AM

seriously if DJ isnt starting here why would this guy, he would be useless to us.

Saccopoo 10-08-2009 08:25 AM

The guy is broke, and has not been the same player since he's been on the test list.

Why do the Chargers spend their first round draft pick on a guy (Larry English) who plays the same position and style as Merriman if there wasn't major concerns about the guy?

That's all this team needs - wasting a draft pick(s) on a broken, expensive, opinionated loudmouth as they try to rebuild. He's just what our locker room needs...yeesh.

Fritz88 10-08-2009 08:27 AM

6th..no problem

Stinger 10-08-2009 08:33 AM

5th or 6th no brainer .... yes. A 4th ... probably considering you want to get 2-3 years out of him. A 4th with a conditional 3rd based on performance ....would have have to consider but would probably lean against. I would pass on a 3rd or below.

CoMoChief 10-08-2009 09:02 AM

They're gonna want more than a 4th and a 6th.

Hell I'd give them a 3rd and 5th.

4th and Long 10-08-2009 09:09 AM

The guy already has one foot on a retirement due to steroid abuse banana peel. No way in hell do I want his busted ass on our team. I don't care what Sandy Eggo wants for him. No. Hell no.

Tiger's Fan 10-08-2009 09:14 AM

Getting him signed would be a bigger problem than spending a pick on him. He's gonna want more than he's worth.

nychief 10-08-2009 09:17 AM

lets draft a young pass rushing LB.... (sigh... thoughts of curry).

TRR 10-08-2009 09:20 AM

Because we have two 2nd round picks, I would definitely give up or 3rd. KC is so short on LB talent. They are starting two inside LB's that really have no business starting in the NFL.
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Dave Lane 10-08-2009 09:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nychief (Post 6150965)
lets draft a young pass rushing LB.... (sigh... thoughts of curry).

Yeah cuz Curry's 1 sack and 20 tackles after 4 games blew me away!

wild1 10-08-2009 09:31 AM

the extensive roid and injury history seem to explain away any chance he'd be productive in the future. maybe it would be worth a 6th or 7th, but I dont' see much of a chance he'll be productive in the league again

The Franchise 10-08-2009 09:59 AM

I'd rather have Kevin Burnett.

OnTheWarpath15 10-08-2009 10:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 6151089)
I'd rather have Kevin Burnett.

If we're fantasy-pillaging the Chargers defense, give me Shaun Phillips.

The Franchise 10-08-2009 10:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6151117)
If we're fantasy-pillaging the Chargers defense, give me Shaun Phillips.

Funny thing is.....Burnett was a FA this offseason. We could have signed him for cheap to play ILB for us.

CoMoChief 10-08-2009 10:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave Lane (Post 6150987)
Yeah cuz Curry's 1 sack and 20 tackles after 4 games blew me away!

He's a ****ing rookie......you're acting like he's supposed to be Mike Singletary?!?!? He's played 4 games

BigMeatballDave 10-08-2009 10:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CoMoChief (Post 6151125)
He's a ****ing rookie......you're acting like he's supposed to be Mike Singletary?!?!? He's played 4 games

Some people thought Dorsey was a bust after 1 season. Of course, he still could be, just saying...

OnTheWarpath15 10-08-2009 10:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 6151124)
Funny thing is.....Burnett was a FA this offseason. We could have signed him for cheap to play ILB for us.

I know...

Eleventy billion under the cap, haven't even reached the salary floor, and there were so many players that could have filled holes and were still young enough to still be here and in their prime in 2-3 years.

Oh well.

Brock 10-08-2009 10:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nychief (Post 6150965)
lets draft a young pass rushing LB.... (sigh... thoughts of curry).

Is Curry a pass rusher?

Chiefnj2 10-08-2009 10:18 AM

Everyone can watch KC's future #1 pick rush the passer tonight on ESPN.

The Franchise 10-08-2009 10:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6151133)
I know...

Eleventy billion under the cap, haven't even reached the salary floor, and there were so many players that could have filled holes and were still young enough to still be here and in their prime in 2-3 years.

Oh well.

:shake: It's amazing the moves they could have made to build this team up.

Mr. Laz 10-08-2009 10:19 AM

depends on the contract and you don't acquire him unless you have plans to put him back on 'roids.

once the roid guys go clean they aren't worth a shite. :D

Pablo 10-08-2009 10:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 6151144)
Everyone can watch KC's future #1 pick rush the passer tonight on ESPN.

Wrong. LSU isn't playing tonight.

OnTheWarpath15 10-08-2009 10:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PostRockPablo (Post 6151149)
Wrong. LSU isn't playing tonight.

LMAO

CoMoChief 10-08-2009 10:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigChiefDave (Post 6151127)
Some people thought Dorsey was a bust after 1 season. Of course, he still could be, just saying...

I dont know about Dorsey. I know that we're not using him at his natural position. You can just blame that on change in philosophy/coaching scheme. Not necessarily Dorsey's fault. Can't exactly expect him to be great at a position he hasn't played, in the best league against the best players.

Mr. Laz 10-08-2009 10:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 6151144)
Everyone can watch KC's future #1 pick rush the passer tonight on ESPN.

Suh?

talastan 10-08-2009 10:25 AM

I'd rather have me some Brandon Spikes, but if the trade was for a sixth or seventh, I'd say take a chance. Although I really really hate Roidman and the thought of him in Chiefs Red and Gold! :Lin:

(Going to take a shower now.)

Red Dawg 10-08-2009 10:30 AM

Hell yes they should. Have you ever seen him play when he's on? He can be a game changer type player. Talk about a 3-4 LB that rush the passer. He is the definition of 3-4 LB

SenselessChiefsFan 10-08-2009 10:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 6150714)
Apparently the Chargers are putting him on the trade block. He hasn't been good at all lately.

With that said, would you try to acquire him for say a 5th or 6th rounder to have his rights next year if it's uncapped?

Or is he finished at the ripe age of 27?

I think this defense needs someone who can potentially collapse a pocket, so I say yes, but I also get too hung up on guys who performed well years ago.

Thoughs?


I just don't see him being the same guy anymore. I would take a chance with a conditional pick that could become as high as a second round pick if certain requirements were met.

But, it would have to be really stout, like start the last eight games and have at least 10 sacks.

Brock 10-08-2009 10:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tuckdaddy (Post 6151186)
Hell yes they should. Have you ever seen him play when he's on? He can be a game changer type player. Talk about a 3-4 LB that rush the passer. He is the definition of 3-4 LB

Have you seen him play lately?

Chiefnj2 10-08-2009 10:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Laz (Post 6151165)
Suh?

Sean Weatherspoon. He's the kid NFLDC has us taking in their first mock.

The Franchise 10-08-2009 10:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan (Post 6151190)
I just don't see him being the same guy anymore. I would take a chance with a conditional pick that could become as high as a second round pick if certain requirements were met.

But, it would have to be really stout, like start the last eight games and have at least 10 sacks.

I wouldn't go as high as a 2nd. I'd give them a 5th that has a possibility of becoming a 3rd. He's 27 with knee issues. He's not worth a 2nd.

Just Passin' By 10-08-2009 10:40 AM

Offer them D.J..

Mr. Laz 10-08-2009 10:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 6151199)
Sean Weatherspoon. He's the kid NFLDC has us taking in their first mock.

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Warrior5 10-08-2009 10:44 AM

Merriman's heart would explode at Haley's training camp.

RedThat 10-08-2009 11:05 AM

The Chiefs won't go for Merriman. They're too passive and cheap.

Pablo 10-08-2009 11:07 AM

No. We wouldn't be getting the Roidman of two seasons ago.

LaChapelle 10-08-2009 11:08 AM

I don't know if he can find suitable 4 way partners here.

Sure-Oz 10-08-2009 11:11 AM

they need to wait till he blows out a knee and gets a concussion first, then sign him in the offseason when he's cut and then cut him with no injury settlement

dtebbe 10-08-2009 11:15 AM

He hasn't been worth a crap since he came off the juice.

DT

RedThat 10-08-2009 11:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sure-Oz (Post 6151286)
they need to wait till he blows out a knee and gets a concussion first, then sign him in the offseason when he's cut and then cut him with no injury settlement

That's Chiefs style.

DaneMcCloud 10-08-2009 11:26 AM

Yeah, absolutely. I'd trade AJ Smith a 6th rounder for Merriman. In a heartbeat.

Then, I'd have him practice and "Ooops!", put him on IR.

I'd have my team doctor prescribe HGH for the next seven months to cure what ails him.

He'd be a monster next year again.

Sanka 10-08-2009 11:34 AM

**** the dirt ball.

DeezNutz 10-08-2009 11:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 6150782)
he isn't shit without the roids, and his leg still looks fubar

KC has pharmacies.

Bring him in.

tyler360 10-08-2009 12:04 PM

If this is true then you have to do it easily. For a late round pick a guy who is more talented than any scrub we have as a rush backer would be huge. It has been said many times that it takes two years to fully recover from a knee injury like he had. If we trade for him and he heals in the offseason and has a huge year next year we look like we actually know something if not hey at least we are trying and it is only a late round pick

boltpower 21 10-08-2009 12:44 PM

He's 25, not 27.

Hammock Parties 10-08-2009 12:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by boltpower 21 (Post 6151560)
He's 25, not 27.

Aren't you a hopeful one.

Titty Meat 10-08-2009 12:48 PM

Dudes knee still looks bad

macdawg 10-08-2009 12:56 PM

I saw Roidman on a Fedor mma highlight video talking about Fedor, a few days later he was in the news for choking out his Tila Tequilla girlfriend. He's a tool with a gimp leg and his career is finished.

The Bad Guy 10-08-2009 01:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by macdawg (Post 6151610)
I saw Roidman on a Fedor mma highlight video talking about Fedor, a few days later he was in the news for choking out his Tila Tequilla girlfriend. He's a tool with a gimp leg and his career is finished.

Please tell me what this has to do with anything.

SDChiefs 10-08-2009 01:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 6150782)
he isn't shit without the roids, and his leg still looks fubar

He is still far and away better then anything we have. So yes, if just a 4th, I would go for it in a heart beat.

SDChiefs 10-08-2009 01:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Radar Chief (Post 6150795)
Better yet, lets loose all common sense in man lust for a vet that won’t add any wins this season while throwing away draft picks in the middle of rebuilding.

Hes 27. Same age as Cassel. We got Cassel for a 2nd and half this board had to change their shorts they were so excited. Merriman for a 4th is great value. He is having an off year. Oh gee, he blew out his knee. Thats bound to happen. I would much rather get a proven vet in their prime then take a chance on a 4th round pick. Thats just my opinion though.

Chief Faithful 10-08-2009 01:25 PM

Yes, for a 4th or later, no question. We are talking about a talented LB who is just entering his prime and is so intense he thought he could play on one knee. That is the kind of attitude the Chiefs defense desperately needs.

B_Ambuehl 10-08-2009 01:25 PM

Merryman for a 5th? LoL What are you guys smoking?

He hurt his groin in the 1st half of the 2nd game and has only played a handful since. When he has, he's arguably looked better than he did in '07. Even though he hasn't played much he still leads the team in pressures and is just as valuable blowing up tight ends and fullbacks in the running game.

5th round pick. LOL

SDChiefs 10-08-2009 01:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 6151206)
I wouldn't go as high as a 2nd. I'd give them a 5th that has a possibility of becoming a 3rd. He's 27 with knee issues. He's not worth a 2nd.

This

HotRoute 10-08-2009 01:31 PM

i wouldnt give a 7th rounder for this piece of crap. like with B.Edwards there is a reason the guy is being traded. loud mouth with production, acceptable. loud mouth w/o production = traded

Chiefnj2 10-08-2009 01:33 PM

I don't think Clancy or Haley could motivate him, so no.


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