Are there any actual lawyers on ChiefsPlanet?
 

I think I need to hire a lawyer for my 16 year old son who got a speeding ticket for going 34 in a 20 school zone.

It is a church school that he didn't realize was a school, and on the description on the ticket, the officer clocked him before he was even 10 feet into the school zone. And he was sitting there waiting for a high school kid, because high school had just let out. I have literally driven down this road over 50,000 times in my life, at all times of day and year, and have never seen cop checking speed in this school zone.

The cop could have seen how nervous my son was, and been understanding about his lack of knowledge of the school, but he wasn't.

So, I need to hire a lawyer, and thought I would ask here first.

If you are not a lawyer, maybe you could recommend someone.

Thanks,

ChiefsFanatic

What are they threatening to do him? It's only 14 over.

is it a speeding ticket, or a c&i?
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Dude. The kid was speeding. If your kid went to that school you would want the speed limits enforced. Make the kid pay the ticket, learn a lesson, and maybe he might slow down in the future. Cop was just doing his job.

You'll never get a break from speeding in a school zone. Pay the fine and move on.

seems pretty clear cut to me. just because he didn't notice he was in a school zone doesn't mean he's not guilty of speeding. sorry for the lack of sympathy, but just because you didn't mean to break the law doesn't mean that you didn't actually break it.

i don't see any valid reason that you would be able to fight that.

do you want a lawyer to get up and say "sure, the kid was breaking the law, but the cop was a d!ck about it"?

Cops are little more than state-sanctioned thieves. This is what they do, and the deck is completely stacked in their favor. If you hire a lawyer, you're going to be out legal fees and your kid still gets fined.

If there are any lawyers here I have real problems I could use help with.

Have you started a thread about it yet?

I know, I just think "faulty equipment" would look better than a speeding ticket when the insurance guy looks at his record.

And, sure, he was speeding, but sometimes people deserve a break.

You can do what I always do.

Send in the ticket with a photocopy of the amount requested. A nice profane little note wouldn't hurt either.

Just a couple. :D

I think obgyn would be more suited to fix a "swamp box"

Why? Because he's your son?

JFC.

He broke the law. He sped through a school zone.

No amount of excuses will change that.

Thats the least of my worries.

I got a speeding ticket here for going 32 in a 25. These cops really have nothing to do. I probably could have gotten out of the ticket by simply being polite to him but when he asked if I was "in a hurry to get somewhere" I just laughed at him and told him "obviously not if i was only going 32 mph." I've also been pulled over for "almost going into another lane". I ****ing hate the police around here.

What happened, GF read the ED thread?

you can find a lawyer in the phone book to get it amended. some jurisdictions don't require a lawyer, but most of the ones around me do. you can call the city hall or whatever and ask if you need a lawyer or if you can amend it yourself.

as for "people deserving a break", rofl. these are the cops we are talking about. the more high school kids they stick with tickets, the sooner they get new dodge charger police cars.

I know, just crackin a joke at your expense... :D

I've seen enough people fly through school zones with kids all over the streets to say that I wish they'd do MORE in school zones.

I really don't think you can be too careful around schools.

I've been pulled over for not signaling when i changed lanes. my drivers ed teacher said signaling was a courtesy.

my sister got a $50 ticker for having a tail light out...when she was turning into the auto parts store to replace the tail light.

did the ex finally file divorce papers?

No...cant get divorced until her bastard is born...

1. Check with American Hero, pretty sure he is a Lawyer.

2. Tell your kid to quit driving and start shooting up steroids.

Yeah, the message you're sending the 16 yo ain't the best, from the info offered.

Yes. You can get a lawyer to get the moving violation changed to something like faulty equipment, but you will have to (a) pay the lawyer (unless you can find a kind-hearted CP lawyer who will do it for free) and (b) pay a fine that is even higher than the fine for speeding would be. Even though this will be expensive, it's still cheaper than having your insurance rates go up.

It used to be that non-lawyers could do this on their own in some jurisdictions, but things have changed a lot in the last 10 years or so. In KCMO, they won't even talk to you if you're not a lawyer. I doubt that you can get anything done on your own in Blue Springs, but it wouldn't hurt to call the prosecutor and ask them if you can get a ticket amended.

Exactly. He was speeding, but just because you and others have done it in the past when a cop was not there taking radar makes it right from now on? Yeah, it's that jerk cops fault for breaking a posted law that's there for all to see.

Teach a person a real lesson here: make your son pay the ticket and any increase in insurance and quit blaming others for your son's mistakes, you're not doing him any favors coddling him when he's in high school. OR, you can run to a lawyer and advance the litigious society we live in by pointing fingers at someone else. Rant over. Signed, an Attorney.

My advice, go to court pro se. Assuming it's his 1st ticket, they should offer a defensive driving class and a 6-month "probationary period".

My girlfriend's dad is an attorney. I'm not sure what he does, but he makes it where she pays a little bit more and the ticket goes doesn't go on her record or affect her insurance. If that is what you are worried about you might be successful. But I doubt you would be successful to fight the ticket itself - it's more pain than it's worth.

It depends on what your definition of "there" is
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I got a ticket in Leavenworth KS for speeding 36 in a 20 school zone several years ago. Kicker was that the speed limit changed from 35 to 20 at 7:30am. I was on my way to work at about 7:20am but since I had out of state tags (was in the Army, in uniform at the time) the cops watch said 7:32 when I drove by. Cost me about $120 on that ticket. You gotta love that crap. Thankfully though that's probably my worst experience with cops. Most cops I have had dealings with have been stand-up guys doing their job.

Get a lawyer pay 300 bucks and it will disapper from your record.

You are one of the BPOS on this message board. Quick, hurry on over to http://thepiratebay.org/ someone downloaded something illegally.

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Let's see here. How much are you willing to pay a little court and cost, an increase in insurance?

Or a $50-60 an hour laywer? (I'm assuming that's the minimum they make, but what the **** do I know?)

I think, IMHO, it's best to just pay the speeding ticket, and move on.

That bastard cop!!!!!! Teach your son not to take any shit from some ****ing cop!!!!!!!
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I am sure that everyone posting all the "he was speeding, he deserved it, the cop was just doing his job" crap believed that they deserved every ticket they have ever gotten and were happy that their local police were out making the city safer. Some probably even protested when they were let off with a warning.

So let me get this straight: I'm a POS because you're making excuses for your son getting a speeding ticket?

Is there any personal responsibility going on in your household?

Hey at least the kid doesn't have to go to a pound me in the ass prison.
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You are a POS because you acted like a 16 year old kid getting a warning was ridiculous, and insinuated that I was some pompous ass trying to make excuses for my child, because he was my child. Then you used the initials JFC.

And because you always act like your shit doesn't stink. Don't you ever get tired of telling people how they are wrong? Or how you are right?

I am sure there are plenty of other people on here who could fill in a whole list of reasons why.

I guess people who live on the corner of Soap Box and High Road, in Hollywood, CA. are just better than the rest of us.

I think Dad got set off.
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So the cop was a dick because he did his job?

I've been known to do a little lawyerin on the side when I got time. Right now I got time cause I had to put down three more boars yesterday. I'm gonna have to wash that Elway Jersey real goood.

Send me $400 and we'll get started on this Dick of a cop, First he called your son a queer , right, well thats slander for starters, unless he is a queer then we;ll have to drop that.

Next he took your kids weed and didn't turn it in right, well, that will get him fired and there won't be no ticket. If he says he didn't take your kids weed we,ll just get him a drug test a goin. Your kids gotta test positive for this to work or it'll all backfire on us.

Next we'll sue that prick of a cop for rape, he corn holed the kid right, sure he did , we'll have evidence of that too.

When we get done they'll take that god damn speed limit sign down and put in a race track.

Send me some money!

I don't know MO law, but I got a ticket in Klamath Falls, OR on my way back from Reno doing 79 in a 55 while making a double pass. 243 bucks. I called the court and they told me I could pay 180, take an online traffic course, not get any tickets for 6 months and they would keep it off my record. A simple phone call will probably net you acceptable results.

But I'd make your kid do it. I know a lot of people have drilled you on the right and wrong spiel, so I'm not going to pile on. So JMO, but these are critical moments for you teach the most valuable lesson a young man can learn. Personal accountability. And it's a difficult thing to do. I wish you all the luck.

Hey what happened to that drunk guy who was pissed his wife wouldn't drive his ass to taco bell at midnight. So he goes out himself and the next day posted a thread asking people basically if his wife was a bitch for not taking him and causing him to endanger the public. Don't know why I thought of that again.
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No, he was a dick because he is a Blue Springs Police Officer. I have lived here almost my entire life, and I cannot even think of one cop in this city who isn't a dick, including the female officers, and who didn't become a cop to compensate for something else in their lives.

Last October someone broke into my house. Passed out on my couch. Scared the shit out of my family and my kids. I called the police. They came to my house, and proceeded to conduct their interview of this person on my couch. My kids needed to get ready for school, but were too shook up to go downstairs. And I just wanted the guy out of my house.

I asked the officers to please take the guy out of my house, and they ALL acted like I told them to GTFO and proceeded to treat me like I called them for no reason.

Blue Springs Police Officers are horrible.

you ARE making excuses.......rest assured if your son had HIT a child while he was in the school zone, his ass would be in prison for the rest of his life. I look at it as though the cop did you a favor. All of my family are police officers, two of which are with Blue Springs, and rest assured, this thread and your initial comments have been sent to them.

Tell your son to have some respect for the law, if I had a child, and your son hit him.......rest assured, you'd not want to deal with it. There is a reason laws like this exist. Be a ****ing man, grow up, make your son pay his own god damn ticket, and then go **** yourself.

The douche is strong in this thread.

Wow. I've only read the last few posts in this thread, but I give it a 50/50 chance of going epic.

lmao ROFL

Well! You said you needed a lawyer. I didn't take 3 semesters of that crap for nothin!

I got two on the same day for expired tags on my way to pay the renewal.

Believe me, I read him the riot act. We discussed how a driver has to be aware of all things at all times, like a road sign with a posted speed limit. I am upset that he did not pay attention.

My point is that, although he did speed in a school zone, it is not a public school, it is a church that happens to have a "school" but only looks like a church, and my son didn't realize that he was speeding. He had his seatbelt on, had his insurance card with him, and was otherwise being a good driver.

In this situation, knowing that it was a young driver, a warning is something that could have been a decent thing to do.

These are all the same... someone does something that's clearly wrong and wants to get out of it. Several people say the same thing over and over, with varying degrees bluntness ranging from "there's a lesson to be learned" to "JFC you f*** g'damn c***monkey douche, WTF?".... then the thread creator comes back and wonders why no one understands his POV.

Things escalate, I grab dinner and watch the show, someone creates a parody thread, and we all die a little inside.

Wow. Please don't send them my posts. Please.

So were there signs that indicated it was a school zone?

Also, the fact that you are taking your teenage son's word as truth makes me LOL.

If the school-zone signage is poor or non-obvious then go take pictures and argue your case in court. Otherwise STFU and pay your fine, bitch.

I never said that the ticket was not deserved. EVER. I said that a warning could have accomplished the same thing. I didn't want anyone to agree with me, I just wanted a referral to a lawyer.

I like how he asked the cops to leave. They like that you know.
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I don't disagree. And all I really had to go on was the context of the posts I read. I almost posted another one about how the world will shit on you without regard, but I figured at that point you were just venting about it. It just depends on the cop's mood for the day and it sucks he had bad luck. You can get it fixed though. It'll just cost a few bucks which is the part that sucks the most.

Yes there was a sign, and my dumbass kid should have seen it, and slowed down. I do not dispute that in the least.

I think it was just a revenue grab, and not actual policing to make anything safer.

I asked them to take the person who broke into my house outside. I did not ask the police to leave.

So if there was a sign and the dumbass kid should have slowed down wouldn't the proper response to teach your son be "Gee, officer, I am wrong. I did it and will take responsibility for it"? Not EVERY ****ING COP IN BLUE SPRINGS IS A JERK and getting an attorney. Your disdain for the police has me thinking there is more to this story
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Is your son less likely to speed in a school zone now?

He's more likely to call every police officer in Ble Springs, "including the female ones", "Dicks" as his father does and consult an attorney if he gets caught. For Dad to call every cop in the town he grew up in a "Dick" tells me he has quite a past with them.
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He was never likely to speed in a school zone. But he will pay more attention now. But he would have paid more attention with a warning.

I wouldn't use that argument in court. I'm pretty sure the judge will stop you at "Yes he was speeding in a school zone, but..."

Taking it to court implies he doesn't deserve it, or else what's the point? A warning could have accomplished the same thing, but that's a favor and shouldn't ever be expected, because you still broke the law. It's not on the cop to determine when he wants to give you a warning, because he never has to... and it was a school zone, maybe the cop thought he had no choice or maybe they never give warnings in school or construction zones. Sounds pretty logical why they wouldn't....

I'd say that's not true considering he just go pulled over for speeding in a school zone.
So you're saying that because he got a ticket instead of a warning, he'll pay less attention to school zones?

Yeah, like being pulled out of my truck when I was 17 and having a gun pointed at my head, when I reached for my insurance card, like the police officer asked me for my insurance card.

Or being pulled over for going 26 in a 25 because i had a black person in the car with me and they wanted to see his ID. That is why he said he pulled me over, for going 26 in a 25.

Like I said, I grew up here, and I will say that 90% of all the people I know who live here agree with me.

You arrogant son of a bitch. It's real easy to step up on your soapbox and preach the law. How many times have you sped through a school zone and not gotten a ticket? How many times has it been because of your affiliation with the police? As if you or anyone in your family has never committed a similar infraction.

You don't have to bitch about it though since you guys are so well known for looking out for your own. I'd love to see national statistics on the amount of speeding tickets written to police officers that are off duty. I'm CONFIDENT it's the lowest ratio of any profession on the face of the Earth.

It's real easy to walk around pointing your finger when you play by a different set of rules. And don't think for one ****ing second that I didn't understand the underlying, threatening tone when you told him you were forwarding the contents of this thread to the BSPD. If they even remotely **** with him, I'll assume this is the reason and personally fly out to testify on his behalf when he sues their ****ing asses yellow.

You're not better than him. Congratulations on not knowing how to handle the power you're given. You're the worst kind of cop there is. Youtube videos are posted everyday of guys with your same mentality.

I don't want to take it to court. I just want it reduced so it will not appear as a speeding ticket on his record.

If anyone thinks that I want to fight it, that is not the case. He did it. He is guilty.

Ok now, this is good! The real story. This isn't about your son. As I suspected its about you. And, man, I don't blame you for feeling the way you do. I'd probably feel the same way if I had those experiences. But also try to seperate that out from this situation. Don't go all attorney for no reason and pass on your issues with the police to your kid when you can use this as a teaching lesson for your son. Deal with your stuff seperately.
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Yes you can pay an attorney to plead the ticket down to a non-moving, but it's going to cost you at least double the cost of paying the ticket so weigh the necessity of this. In KC, MO it takes an attorney these days, they won't even talk to non-attorneys. It has been stated that Blue Springs may be different and it's worth a call to the prosecuting attorney's office and to see what they will offer you, they may or may not talk to you.

Those statements kinda contradict themselves, don't they? He was paying so much attention that he had no idea what his speed was, or the speed limit, but other than that, he was being a good driver.


Father of the year material right here, folks.

then open the phonebook and get a lawyer.

even if someone on CP was a lawyer, chances are its not in Blue Springs.

The thread seemed to imply that the cop was in the wrong and you wanted to fight it, and I'm sure that's why some people are going off. Starting a thread saying, essentially, that your kid got a speeding ticket and you want it reduced to a non-moving violation (something that occurs in every court in america about eleventy trillion times a day) seems a little odd, even for the offseason.

wha? for calling his own kid a dumbass? after the kid did something dumb?

some people really go over the top on the intarweb.

I just thought that if I was going to pay someone, it might as well be someone from the Planet. Just like using a member's wife as my mortgage broker, etc.