Shipley
 

Dude is icky. Super fast. Incredible route running. Just a bad sonofabitch.

That being said, think he'll be available in round 2? If he is, would ya want him?

1- Mays/Berry
2a- Shipley/Linebacker
2b-Linebacker/Shipley/Olineman
3- Oline
4-Oline
5-Oline
6- BPA (rb? dline? linebacker?)
7- BPA (rb? dline? linebacker?)

I'm going to kill you.

That's what I want a white WR from Texas.

haha.... come on.... ya gotta say he's damn good.

Sure, Briscoe, Bryant are better... there are better guys...

But we arent going to grab a first round WR. Would ya take him in the second? My guess is you wouldn't.

Give me Benn.

Briscoe is a shitty NFL prospect too.

Son you shouldn't be drafting anyone from Texas, those players are more miss than any other school.

Briscoe isn't better.

I would avoid Texas players at all costs.

Outside of running backs, they rarely translate to the NFL.

Are there really people here...I know there are alot of KU fans...that think Briscoe is a good prospect?

I don't see what him being white has to do w/ the discussion, but ok.

LOL, don't lie you know people think that about WR's and DB's, oh shit he's white.

Are there any crappy WR's from LSU?

Shipley is a fringe #3, #4 WR, and is nowhere near a first day pick.

LOL..

Brandon Lafell is probably going in the 1st round...late first early 2nd.

But can he play DT too?!

His thing says "Dwayne Bowe clone" so he can put on some weight.

This guy could have easily given up football, but he stuck with it and became an elite college player. His routes are so nice to watch. Don't think he's a typical Mack Brown prospect and Im a huge UT hater. Draft experts... how does he compare to Steve Smith from the NYG? His timed speed, size and injury history could allow him to slip a bit

Steve Smith comes from USC and a pro style offense, Shipley comes from the gimmick college spread.

I don't see Shipley as an NFL player other than a fringe backup.

ok...Harvin came from a gimmick offense. Im talking prospect here... not production

*fist pump* /Hioli

Hes no Lance Long.

This is what I wanted feedback, and a healthy discussion. I agree; TX has produced a ton of busts. For whatever reason, TX guys often don't live up to their hype. And yes, it is a spread offense.

But what you can't take out of the picture for a certain player is intangibles that would translate directly to the NFL. My argument for Shipley is that he is fast as shit; he runs super sharp routes; he is a returner; he blocks down field; and he has sure-enough hands.

I'm not saying he is a Calvin Johnson. I am saying that I think he could be a very productive WR in the NFL; especially in a Haley offense. I am wondering what you all think he is worth and what you think he is capable of.

No, I don't think Briscoe is a solid NFL WR prospect, but I do think he will go in the late first to mid second round in the upcoming draft.

Dezmon Briscoe is not going in the 1st round of the draft. If he runs faster than a 4.7 I'd be stunned.

And Shipley is not remotely as gifted as Harvin, Harvin was the #1 player in the country his recruiting year, he got drafted high for pure physical gifts.

Here look at this...

http://www.walterfootball.com/draft2010WR.php

Look how low these guys are.

Shipley will be 24 in December. Don't know if that is relevant or not, but seems kind of old for a rookie come next season.

24. Dezmon Briscoe*, Kansas
Height: 6-3. Weight: 200.
Projected 40 Time: 4.56.
Projected Round (2010): 5-6.

21. Jordan Shipley, Texas
Height: 6-0. Weight: 195.
Projected 40 Time: 4.45.
Projected Round (2010): 5-6.

Discussing these guys near the 1st or 2nd round is not even funny.

I guess our own fine texas product has not swayed any one from realizing that texas players bust more often then not. Hopefully Jamaal Charles will break that

This isn't that great of a WR year but why on earth would we discuss the guys who are bums?

how surprising.... Mecca backing up his claim with a link to a draft site.

Shipley was fast as hell (timed) in HS and still may be, though I wouldn't be so confident. Im no expert but his routes look tremendous. He carried McGee in HS who was a bum a A&M and he has helped Colt McCoy look like a Heisman candidate.

The system is carrying McCoy.

I said help... he carried mcgee

I would rather we take Jacoby Ford than Shipley, and hopefully not in the first 4 rounds.

Jacoby Ford atleast has potential to be a top flight return man.

At this point, any receiver we take needs to be a hell of a returner.

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How was the intensity in his eyes on that dig and go?

I'm sorry next years draft has basically 4 guys who have top potential as starters, and there are guys like Ford who have potential to be slot/return men.

I don't want to read pimping of guys who are mid round picks.

huh? are you poking fun at the white football player stereotype? I thought we were discussing his skills here

If you're talking to me I'm telling you there are 4-5 WR's in next years draft with legit starting potential, outside of that it gets really slim.

They're all slot guys return men stuff like that.

Hey! from bum to mid round. We're making progress here. I really want to thank you for your insight here. Usually you and Hamas are good for an in-depth response, but why even bother on mid-round prospects. Or maybe we will all just wait for the updated draft sites with detailed analysis... get back to me in February I guess

and sorry I was talking to Hamas about the stereotype thing

LMAO

He's frail, bad injury history, and most high school prospects have their #s severely overrated. I'd trust a time he ran as a high schooler about as much as I'd trust Bernie Madoff.

Case in point: Mark Sanchez's Rivals page lists him as 6'4" at 18...at the combine, 6'2".

Everette Brown: 6'4"...combine: 6'1 1/2"

He seems like a career ST guy who will probably hang on as a #5 receiver. #3-#4 that I mentioned earlier is his absolute top upside.

Bad program, bad system, old prospect, checkered injury history. Too many ?s for me.

LMAO

Who was the one who sucks the penis pimping EB at #3 overall? He had him in his avatar? Arguing with me to no end?

JFC, we have some stupid mother****ing fans.

Everette Brown.

LMAO

1 tackle this year. He's a real game changer.

LMAO

This is true X1000 but I really don't think he's far from a 4.5 right now. He certainly doesn't look slow in pads. Thanks for the input... As much as he seems like Quan Cosby...I just don't know. I really don't think a 3rd/4th round pick is out of the question. I don't think he'll have much problems adjusting to a pro offense. Regardless of program, He's a hard worker and a student of the game....not exactly VY, C-bong, or Simms. I mean... he's a coach's son...oh shit I've sunk to white player stereotypes.... then again Colt McCoy is a coach's son and I think he will be complete ass. Injury and size concerns are completely legitimate, I just think we disagree on his ceiling...

I say we only draft LSU and Texas players... we will be good in NO TIME!!!!1eleventy!!111eleventyagain!!11

If you really like him, just tell people that he's a Wes Welker clone.

That worked for Lance Long.

I think it has something to do with being white and alliteration.

haha...yeah that'd go over real well here

Don't look now but Brian Orakpo has 2.5 sacks in his last 3 games.....

But Im a Texas A&M guy.... Von Miller anyone?

I remember when Mecca said he'd rather be raped with a toilet brush than draft Orakpo, and I can't say I'd blame him.

I liked him at first, but his inconsistent play down the stretch and pedestrian combine for a supposed freak, as well as the Texas stigma soured me on him.

I guess I should have gone with my gut :shrug:

Which means the Chiefs will draft him and probably and lot higher than he's supposed to go too.

Not me. He may get drafted too high, but I don't think he'll be a starting WR in the league it's hard to tell how good his route discipline is because he's in the spread, but he struggles a bit with separation. He has very good hands and makes tough catches to make up for it, but he isn't big enough to play without separation. I may be wrong, but that's the way I see it.
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Wes Welker Jr?

Shipley is a good returner, worth a late round flyer.

You think those rankings will remain consistent through April?

shipley is a bad ass. I hope we draft him.

Just say NO to Texas.

Shipley is a hell of a college WR. But just about every player that has come out of Texas has been complete dogshit.

Good, then maybe he won't leave early. But everyone seems to think he's going to.

I think he will. He was almost suspended for academics this year, right? He's just biding his time in college and will declare.

Briscoe is gone. Macdougald looks like a promising young WR though. KU might have a down year next year, but they have had pretty good talent for a TOP 25 team standards the last 3 years.

If Briscoe leaves early someone should slap him in the head, he's going to leave early to be taken in the mid to late rounds, that's not smart.

Would it help him any to stay another year?

I dunno, he's probably never going to be higher than a 3rd or 4th round pick but frankly if you're on a free ride to a school it's stupid to leave early when you aren't a top flight prospect.