Pioli, Here's your clue for 2010 draft
 

I've been looking over the film and collecting my notes of the players that should be in the upcoming draft, that we should give serious consideration to help improve the team. If Pioli plays his cards right he could come away with a handful of players that should improve the team by leaps and bounds and be future staples of the team for year's to come.

1st Round-WR Dez Bryant, OSU- Dez Bryant is the rare talent that brings athleticism and an ability to reel in the tough catches. So far, in just a over two seasons(plus the few games this season) he has 147 receptions, 2425 yards, 19 yard avg. reception, 29 TDs, plus 3 more TDs in the return game. Dez is the rare WR talent that comes along once every 5 years. He's the best WR prospect since Calvin Johnson. Our WRs could use a major upgrade and Bryant could go along way into improving the group.

2nd Round-DE/OLBer Sergio Kindle , Texas- Kindle is a sack artist who plays DE at Texas. He's a high motor player, who will be a tweener at the next level, making him a good fit as a 3-4 OLBer and causing his draft stock to fall some for our benefit.

2nd Round-OT Jason Fox Univ. of Miami- Fox is quickly making a name for himself as the Hurricane start to capture a national audience. Fox at 6'6'' 314 lbs. has cemented himself as the anchor to the Hurricane's offensive line.

3rd Round-NT Jeff Owens Georgia-Owens is not a true NT, but at 6'1" 306 lbs. he could probably bulk up some and give us some depth at the position. Owens is on the Bronco Nagurski watch list for top player in the nation. 64 names are submitted. He was once considered a first round prospect until he tore his ACL in the past. He's a sure tackler and strong as an ox, with a reported bench press of 535 lbs. For a 3rd round pick, he's got upside to play a starting role if he can add some mass and stay healthy.

4th round-HB Montario Hardesty-Tennessee. The SECs leading rusher has been one of the few bright spots for the Tennessee offense. Hardesty is all-around back, who can carry, catch, and block. Great value early in the
4th round. Past injury drops his stock to the 2nd day, but he projects as a starter.

5th round-OG John Jerry- Mississippi- J.J. is an outstanding prospect who has helped make Jevan Snead a household name. He's All-Sec, 1st team and at 6'5" 350 lbs., he's got brick wall potential. He also brings versatility because he's played RT, as well. I like his upside.

5th round-C Erik Olsen-Notre Dame- Olsen is a former RG turned Center this year for Weiss' Fighting Irish. He's another on the Lomabardi best O-lineman in the country watchlist. He's considered one of the top 5 Centers in this year's draft and has done a good job on the O-Line since his sophmore year in 2007.

Once again, it's all about value and who can bring some starting potential to the team. I believe everyone of those players would easily make the team, and most likely start. Thoughts?

Oh geez, at least wait until the underclassmen declare...

Dez has not yet declared...

Dez will be coming out. He's pretty much a lock in the top 10, most likely top 5.

There is almost no way Bryant will not come out after almost getting screwed(i figure he gets reinstated) by the NCAA.

Dez has to come out at this point.

THIS.
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dez bryant will declare.

that being said... can stop with the draft talk for a few more weeks.

I just want a playmaker with our soon to be top 5 pick. So if it was Bryant? Fine with me.

What else do we have to look foward to.

If I thought we had a chance in Hell of running the table, I wouldn't bring this up, but we don't.

I get it....

it just depresses me.

We are in a building mode so there is nothing wrong with looking ahead to the 2010 draft. The 2010 draft better yield the corner stones for Pioli's Chiefs or his tenure in KC won't be a good one.

PhilFree:arrow:

Adding a great WR to a team that doesn't have an OL or pass rush, or much else, doesn't do much to rebuild the team.

Any thoughts on the other players?
I'd like to see us pick Wilfork if he becomes available and a SS, add this draft to it and I think we could be on our way to turning the corner.

This draft offers THREE POTENTIAL STARTING O-lineman and a pass-rusher, as well.

Well to your point about not having an O-line...

Nobody is saying not to focus on the O-line throughout this next draft. People are just saying you don't have to do it with the 1st round pick.

There's a lot of good teams who have their O-lines (save LT) built with mid to late round picks.

I could see us bringng in Mankins and another FA... then going WR in the first. Then depth later.

Following the theme from the 'Chiefs DT' thread, I feel we should just run a 5-2 and pick up Sands and Montgomery. So your draft, though coherent and thoughtful, does not have enough DT's being drafted by the Chiefs. We need Suh in the first, and probably another with one of our 2nd rounders... it just seems legit.

Haven't seen kindle play but I'm weary of texas lbs. Is he soft like dj ?

Marcus McNeill is a second round pick, who by the way, struggled mightily in his second season.

Chad Clifton was also a second round pick.

So it isn't necessary to spend a first rund pick on LT< though your chances improve in finding them in the first round.

Agreed.

We need to give Albert time at LT and in the offseason in the mid rounds or so draft some guys to fill in the holes for the rest of that line.

Some good FAs if there are any wouldn't hurt also.

That's a nice draft IMO. Except I dont like the Jeff Owens pick. I'd rather replace that with WR/KR Marshawn Gilyard from Cincinnati or SS Myron Rolle from Florida St.

I like Myron Rolle, alot and even contemplated him in exchange, but I just believe that Owens has potential to play like a 1st rounder on the D-line and occupy some blockers freeing up the rest of the defense and improving the secondary in the process. Thank you for the kind words, BTW.

Sorry, but you aren't going to get 5 quality starting players out of a single draft. It rarely happens. Mocks are fun and we all think (myself included) that our 3rd and 4th round picks will be starters, but it just doesn't end up working that way.

As far as Kindle is concerned the kid only has 2 sacks so far this year and TX has had a weak ass schedule so far. He should be padding his numbers right now and he can't.

That's a fair critisim on Kindle, however, you should really watch the players mentioned and see how they stand out amongst the competition before stating you don't believe we can find starters late in the draft. We easily can and I listed some of them.

Instead of Kindle you need to look at Eric Norwood from south carolina or Ricky Sapp from clemson

Yep. It appears that he was taking advantage of the double teams that they were laying on Orakpo last season. He's definitely not been the backfield disruptor that he was hyped to be prior to the start of the season.

It also looks like Norwood from SC is the real deal and probably won't be there when the Chief's draft in the second round as he's most likely moved up.

I'm glad people are mentioning Myron Rolle. He's been out of football for a year with his Rhodes scholarship, but has stated that he'll enter the 2010 draft after completing his studies in England. Huge potential in terms of his athletic ability and size. Was the #1 high school prospect (ESPN), but chose school over football last year. Probably drops him a couple rounds, and if he's there in the fourth round, he's a complete steal.

Turn Dez Bryant into Taylor Mays and you have yourself a deal.

Ricky Sapp is rated higher than Kindle in my book, that's why I didn't take him the mock. Sapp is probably the first OLBer taken, which is likely in the first round.

nah man Travis Lewis will be the first to go if he comes out

I wanted to put Terrance Cody down as our first, second round pick, but don't believe he will actually be there in the 2nd round.

Wrong.

Adding a true playmaker in a playmaker's league will help the team a great deal.

Adding a MFing 3-4 DE or RT prospect with a #3 pick does not.

We need a difference maker. A good edge-rusher can be had with the 2nd rounder and you damn near build an entire O-line with a handful of savvy 2nd/3rd/4th round picks.

You take your difference makers when you have a chance to get them. Get your muckers late. This team is completely devoid of players that can make something happen and that will simply not work in today's NFL.

we could get arrelious benn in the second though at the top of the second

He's also a guy I have to assume we'd have drafted if Willie Roaf had been upfront about his intentions.

Everytime I see Marcus McNeill pancake a bitch I curse the name of Willie Roaf. Oh how I hate him.

Benn has the look of another Ted Ginn Jr. to me.

Bryant is a far more talented player and a true difference maker. I think Benn will be little more than a floater and occasional HR hitter. Essentially a younger, maybe slightly better, version of Mark Bradley.

Why, when we can have the BEST WR prospect since Calvin Johnson? Benn is a good player, Dez Bryant has the potential to be one of the best WRs in the league.

Did great WRs' help the Lions? Braylon Edwards help the Browns? Warrick help the Bengals?

Plus, KC doesn't even target Bowe all that much.

Warrick sucked. Braylon Edwards made a HUGE difference two seasons ago before he got the yips.

And yes, Calvin Johnson (the only 'great WR' the Lions have had) has absolutely helped the Lions. Do they have a lot more work to do? Absolutely, but with a legitimate playmaker on offense, they're a hell of a lot closer to consistently winning football games than KC is.

And we don't target Bowe because he's a glorified version of Jericho Cotchery. He's a possession WR and little else; he's hardly worthy of comparisons to Dez Bryant.

Did Michael Irvin help Troy Aikman? Did Jerry Rice help Montana? Does Moss help Brady? Etc..of course, playmakers, make plays. That doesn't mean you rest on your laurels, but when you can make a substantial upgrade to a severe weakness, you do that.

I absolutely love taking Dez Bryant in the first.. (hope he comes out). Our receivers can't get open and Bowe would make a great #2 WR, if Bryant can really live up to his apparent NFL potential. Our passing game desperately needs playmakers.

Take a bunch of o-line after that. Hopefully we get a couple decent vets in FA too though.

Your comparing the Chiefs to the greatest dynasties in the NFL.

How was Aikman's first year again?

Who is our Herschel Walker to trade?

Well, take last year's draft and this year's and you'll have a good start. Let's trade Cassel, Jackson and McGee for a first, 2nd and 3rd in this year's draft. Think anyoone will take us up on it?

Seeing as how we pissed away what amounts to an entire draft on an overpaid ancilliary position in Tyson Jackson, and another overpaid game manager; not to mention a 3rd on a guy that will only see the field by completely eliminating the value of our former #5 overall pick. It seems to me that we were in an okay position to actually get a playmaker or two over the next couple of seasons.

We didn't need a Walker trade, we needed the guys we have in charge to not do dumb shit like pay a 3-4 defensive end franchise QB money and take him #3 overall.

hey I like Dez Bryant just as much as the next guy but he may not even be reinstated and if that's the case he may be there in the 2nd or 3rd anyways

There's no way a team like Pit or NE lets Dez Bryant slide to the 2nd round.

I'd be surprised if he saw #20.

Pit doesn't need him
NE on the other hand..............
I'm thinking dallas in the first round anyway the Jerry Jones Okie State connection

oh wait I got mixed up he loves arkansas and Oklahoman not okie state

No way.

Pit absolutely could use him.

Ward's not getting younger and Holmes is still not quite the guy they thought he'd be.

Beyond that, he's going to be by far and away the most talented player on the board at that point and could be had for a fraction of his worth.

The Chiefs might pass on him there (y'know, like taking Tyson Jackson at 3) but an organization with a brain in its head would NEVER let Dez Bryant fall that far.

I like your draft. I don't know how realistic it is, but I do like it.

Beating Washington and that brilliant Albert Haynesworth-led defense?

We all agree that that our offensive line sucks so we don't address it until our 4th pick in the draft? I hope we are not that stupid.

He has them picking at OT in the second rd.

I missed that. My bad.

I'm all for taking an impact playmaker in round one, but after that I think we need to invest in our line. The best place to grab a RT will be at the top of round 2, and we could also have our pick of interior linemen at the bottom of the round.

I would love to add a playmaker LB/DE, but I just don't think we are ready for that piece of the puzzle. We need to build our offensive line and plug and play at LB.

Jared Allen............:doh!:

Jason Fox and J. Jerry would most likely start from day one on this roster. Fox reminds me alot like Bryant McKinnie and Jerry is one of the most underrated Guards in the upcoming draft. He's a steal in the 5th round, but like, most cases some gem O-lineman can be found a little later on draft day.

Thanks, man. I appreciate it.

The potential to go 1-5 just doesn't do it for me.

I've said it before, but I think we should take RB Ryan Mathews from Fresno, if he's there in the third round. I have very little confidence in our backs, and LJ is showing his age. Mathews will be a steal in the 3rd, and I think he has every down back potential that Charles, Smith and Savage lack.

Bryant is an interesting choice, but given his recent behavior, I have a feeling he'll be the second-coming of Michael Crabtree. And much as it would be nice to have a playmaking receiver, how many receivers are actually difference makers? There have been so many pro bowl receivers over the years who have not played for great offenses. I actually think it's one of the lowest impact positions on the field.

I still believe if you want a playmaker, look at the two stud safeties and choose between the two. Pittsburgh's defense looks pretty bad without Polamalu. The Ravens' defense revolves around Ed Reed. In a 3-4 defense, I would argue that a playmaking safety is almost as big of a difference maker (if not moreso) than a real good nose tackle.

What coach or gm said that Texas players are soft? I'm tending to agree with him somewhat because I can't think of a single Texas player drafted in the past 6-7 yrs in the top 3 rnds that have actually been better than average in the NFL.

It's a good thought. At this point, I just don't see any reason to invest in a RB when you don't have an offensive line to get him holes to run through. And given how easy it is to find RBs these days (most teams seem to have 2-3 who can run well), a RB needs to be Adrian Peterson good to justify using a high first round pick, especially a top 5 pick.

Beginning of the second round, that's a different story. And I think there will be some real good players available there. But even though I hate to go in terms of position of need instead of BPA, I would much, much rather go for the top Center or Guard on the board than a RB. Unless the Guards/Centers are grossly overvalued or there is an absolute guarantee of a superstar in the 2nd and 3rd rounds, I think you have to draft two offensive linemen in those rounds.

You make a good point about impact Safetys. I remember the Colts SuperBowl year, their D looked like crap until Bob Sanders came back, but when he was in there it seemed liked their entire D improved. I'd prefer an impact SS, LB or DT w/ our first pick. But real problem is that O-line is really hanging the rest of the team out to dry. If we can fill the O-line's needs with FA's and mid rounders, I'm all for it, but I still think it needs to be priority #1 . I also agree about WR not being an absolute key ingredient. What amazing WR's did we have in 2003? Gonzo and Priest and Kennison are the only notable ones and 2 of them aren't even WR's.

Sorry, edited my post. I meant to say 3rd round not 1st. No, my point is that I think this guy will availible in the 3rd because of his school, but he's got great talent. Sometimes he does look like an AP type of back.

So does Dez have the speed we need or is he a Bowe type with more talent?

I would stay away from Dez Bryant. He just has two many red flags mainly from where he went to school. Spread offense, OSU's WR busts (Woods, Bowman), and he is not Calvin Johnson, not even close.

Casey Hampton, Ricky Williams (geez, that dude can still flat out run) and Leonard Davis

From what I'm hearing, Deez is not coming out.

Ok I''l give you 2. Williams was at Texas late 90's.

Avoid Texas players at all costs

Agree. And add to it that he's got the taint of Neon Deon about him now...pass. If I wanted a Dez Bryant type of receiver, I'd rather go with Brandon LaFell of LSU, Arellious Benn of Illinois, Mike Williams of Syracuse or Dez Briscoe of KU.


But because we have Bowe, I think that a possession/slot receiver like Eric Decker of Minnesota would be a better addition than a #1 type guy. Hell, I'd take Kerry Meier at this point. At least the guy is a tough ass sob that can catch a ball over the middle. Probably get him cheap in the draft too. (FA/7th?)

Aaron Ross of the Giants, Justin Blalock (Guard for Falcons). Is Huff soft?

A little early, but Cedric Benson has been showing some promise in Cincy.

This kid's ties to Deion Sanders can't be a good thing. I'm sorry, while a great corner at one time, Neon is a psychological problem to the Nth degree. Association with that guy in a mentor/tutor role just baffles me. First, you get suspended from football. Then I have to hear that this is why? That's a situation where I look at Crabtree, with the Eugene Parker scenario...add this, some water, stir and you get ridiculous.

We need a breakout WR, this is true. Bowe is not it. Bowe is good, I wouldn't advocate moving him, he's our "Boldin", if you will. We need the spark, we really need a legit threat to break the play open and one that can get DEEEEEP.

I would also argue that this defense needs an identifier. We need a force in the middle of our defense. We need a NT and a MLB that make QB/RBs think twice.

Ideally on a team laden with talent bowe would play that possession receiver role