Sanchez?
 

Man...sure glad we didn't draft him...he looks terrible.

Belichick is a genius man...Hoyer > Sanchez and he wasn't even DRAFTED!

If Sanchez were on the Chiefs, would we be 0-6?

Heath Shuler Sanchez sucks
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He's certainly having an exceptionally poor showing today...and I haven't seen RoR in a while...

10 yard penality for baiting.

Jets are winning...yet Sanchez is 5-17 for 64 yards and 3 INT's....hilarious...if Cassel did that...would we be winning?

I don't see how you can blame Cassel for too much. If he was throwing picks, people would want him to eat it. If he was throwing it away, people would want him to take a shot. If he was taking sacks, people would want mark sanchez.

Sanchez has played awesome.

He better get his shit together, the talent around him can only carry him so far; even against an abysmal Buffalo team.

Before today, his QB rating was about what Eli Manning had his first four seasons.... so all Sanchez has to do is wait for the talent around him to develop and win him a SB, then everyone will think he's a great QB.

Changing his name to Mark Manning would help, too.

Sanchez isn't horrible. But hopefully this at least puts to rest the ridiculous idea that the Chiefs completely whiffed by not taking Sanchez. And it does raise the interesting question about how well Sanchez can play in the conditions. I mentioned in another thread that one of the top things scouts look for in a quarterback is their ability to throw a ball that cuts through the conditions.

Is it possible that wind could be Sanchez's achilles heel? In a lot of games I've seen, Sanchez throws a lot of lofty balls. If he's going to throw in New York and the AFC East, he's going to be dealing with wind. A lot. Should be interesting to see if this is something he can adjust to.

LMAO

he is good, he just has his good times, and his bad times :)

Today Brady threw for 380 yards, right? As good as he was today he didn't throw for 400. 400 is a lot of yards. Matt Cassel did it 2 games in a row last year. Not saying he's Joe Montana or Tom Brady, but it shows what Matt Cassel is capable of. What has Mark Sanchez shown to make anyone think he is or can be as good as Cassel?
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Possibly. Or 1-5. They wouldn't have won any more games with him than they have without him. Quarterback is not at issue on this team right now.

I'd further postulate that if Cassel was on the Jets, they'd be 5-0.

But he's not. At least not here in the real world.

I don't even know why the Jets would throw the ball again in this game...they can run all ****ing day long. Why risk the INT's against a team they're clearly much better than?

LMAO I knew this thread was coming. He's a rookie. This was bound to happen.

Almost the 4th INT.

Yes, these questions are almost always settled by week 6 of a QB's rookie season. What makes Sanchez's performance all the more damning, however, is Cassel's exemplary game earlier today.

No way the Chiefs would have won without his crisp play.

Eh, after the incessant ball-washing; you'd have to expect reactionary threads like this to pop up.

I think Sanchez is doing a lot of the same things as Eli, and you certainly can't judge him on a bad game in his rookie season. He'll be a fine QB. It's just a nice wake up call to all the ridiculous claims that he's hands down a far superior QB to Cassel.

Then again, it'll again be interesting to track how he looks playing in the conditions.

I realize this post is sarcastic, but Cassel looked like John Elway compared to Sanchez today.

Most of the claims I've seen have stated that he unquestionably has greater upside, which was and is true.

That's right he threw 3 Interceptions didn't he? Oh wait.....
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Only total idiots are claiming he's a far superior QB to Cassel already.

He's a rookie. He's gonna have bad games. But he just looks like absolute dogshit in this particular game and in the NO game. I expect him to be a fine QB in this league; but I don't ever care to root for his success like some posters do.

When Cassel was this age, he was a third string TE and part time STer in college. He wasn't starting in the NFL.

He's been abysmal today. Awful. But it's his sixth start. I think I'll wait before taking Costanza's advice on QB play.

And he could still win this. But let us have fun for now.

Nonsense. I just flipped on the Jets game. Saw the 3rd INT, which had as much to do with Edwards as it did Sanchez. Putting the ball up for a playmaker? Terrible, terrible decision.

Cassel looked like complete shit today.

But, for the sake of argument, better than bad does not equal good.

Dangerous throw by Sanchez.

You're right. He just had another one of those 300-yard games which you often alluded to. Oh, wait...

No it isn't. You guys say that but its based on nothing other than he's 22. He had one hyped up year at USC. When was this brilliance ever put on display?
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4 ints

well that was a good pass

Putting the ball up for a playmaker; into the wind and into double coverage is a terrible decision.

And there's another INT.

Intersanchez!!!!!
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What a DA for catching that. Must be a contract thing.

Trent Green sends kisses. Pro-bowl DB kisses.

:spock:

So, you just flipped on the game, but can state that he hasn't played exponentially worse than Cassel today?

OK.

whoa whoa whoa whoa....

If this were the Chiefs QB and a Carl pick....

I doubt this would be your reaction.

Really? That's funny, because so many of his supporters were quick to annoint him as a stud in the making after 5 games. Look, a lot of Chiefs' fans have been screaming up and down about how the Chiefs made an astronomically horrible decision by passing up Sanchez over Cassel. After only 5 games!

I've said a million times that I think Sanchez will ultimately be better than Cassel, but it's ridiculous to make that judgment based on a few games in entirely different team situations.

I never said here that this is a ringing endorsement for Cassel. And I've never made any kind of an indictment on Sanchez. I'm just criticizing the ridiculous Cassel critics who scream at the top of their lungs about how Sanchez was such an outstanding QB and Cassel is just plain lousy.

And it's a pass you make every time on 4th down. Unlike Cassel, who in the same situation today, held on to the ball rather than forcing it in on 4th down, and it cost us a potential 1st down, points, and at worst would have led to them getting the ball pinned farther back.

Did I say that?

Don't use such ridiculous hyperbole in your comparison, and I won't call nonsense.

so...

Sanchez >>>>> Cassel

?

He plays on the Kansas City Chiefs. If he was on Jets he would have a few 300 yard games by now. Sanchez has a running game, an OL, and a defense and he still SUCKS.
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Your last line is reductive, thus obscuring a shit ton.

OK. Instead of saying anything about Cassel then, I will just say that Sanchez has looked like Jamarcus Russel without the arm strength today. And that isn't any kind of hyperbole.

When this team is at the point of a rebuild chronologically where they should be able to compete?

Absolutely.

Dude, don't be ridiculous. He doesn't suck.

Btw, not every rookie qb sucks this bad. Ryan didn't. Flacco didn't. Ben didn't. Stafford hasn't. Face it, Sanchez was overhyped and just not that good. Pioli knew that and knew he couldn't get Stafford. So he got Cassel.
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The stat line is beyond bad. But, fundamentally, has he looked like a complete ****ing mess?

If so, I'd be on board with the JR analogy. My guess, probably not.

His arm strength is a major question mark IMO. And the playing conditions in NY will be interesting for that too. His strength is supposed to be decision making and the intangibles. Games like this most definitely put that into question. He also fumbled (again) today, and luckily recovered it himself. No one was even around him when that happened. His ball security has absolutely sucked so far.

Yes, he has looked completely lost. His arm strength hasn't been close to adequate on anything outside the numbers or downfield. And he has made awful decisions. It has been brutal.

Based on his play he sure does. What's his qb rating now, 24 or something?
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I'd love to see the reactions of the KC fans if we ever drafted and attempted to develop a legit QB prospect, a round-one guy.

That's the beauty of these dumbasses.

Everything is a strawman, a false choice, correlation implying causation, or any other myriad of logical fallacies and misrepresentation.

Oh, and people who liked Sanchez as a prospect never criticize anything he does, or ever praise Cassel because they hate the Chiefs.

You're correct. He doesn't suck. I just want him to completely look like Todd Blackledge.

****in INTchez ballwashers.

If there was one available they would have done so.
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The next time a QB, any QB, goes in a shell, refuses to push the ball, or makes an atrocious mental mistake, Cassel will be an appropriate verb, apparently.

Because that would be intellectually honest.

So Sanchez gets a pass playing on a...CLEARLY...SUPERIOR...TEAM...but Cassel...he's a never was who will never be?

I'll second this.

He's 22 you can't criticize him!! He's 22 you can't criticize him!!!
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Because?

He missed a bunch of throws to DBowe, and Dbowe saved him on two. Bowe also dropped two easy ones, but I'd say that Cassel f'd up more than DBowe did.

Please suck, please suck, please suck, please suck...

I want him to look awful because that will mean that the Chiefs made a good decision by not picking him.

He hasn't played 5 seasons you dumb mother****er. He had a guy named Tom Brady in front of him for 4 years.
It doesn't change the fact he produced in the NFL and Sanchez hasn't done SHIT.
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Eli Manning, Philip Rivers, Jay Cutler, Brett Favre, Peyton Manning all had below average first seasons. And Joe Flacco had a less than 65 QB rating in 4 of his first 5 starts. The majority of QBs struggle in their first season. And give me a break, Stafford gets credit for 1 pretty good game in the season (the other game, he gained a ton of yards in garbage time against Chicago)?

You're being an idiot on this one. The only reason Sanchez is being overhyped is because a lot of Chiefs' fans have treated him like the second coming of Jesus. He still has a chance to be a very good QB.

He doesn't play for the Chiefs. Why should I have any vested interest in his success?

Sure, I'd love to watch him flourish and win multiple SB's with an AFC competitor...or ****ing not.

Perhaps, but that's the risk any organization, save the Chiefs, must be willing to take.

And Cassel better damn well perform. Thus far, he's been sub-par, at best.

So...

A rookie with 4 OL that were former 1st round picks...a former 1st round pick RB...a former #3 overall WR...all the talent around him in the world...gets a pass...

BUT

Matt Cassel...with the shittiest supporting cast of all time...a guy who hasn't thrown a pick in 4 games...

Can't hold Sanchez' jock?!

Hilarious.

I guess taking Vernon Gholston over Matt Ryan wasn't a fluke for you...LMAO

I don't root against any individual players in the league, save for anyone affiliated with Denver.

Based on what?? One overhyped college season and the media snowball last April?
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Maybe Pioli could trade a 7th for Gholston to make Hamas happy...

Would that make you happy little guy?

OK, but it's not difficult to figure out why people would be rooting for the guy who the Chiefs passed on to fail. Most on this board are, afterall, fans of the Chiefs.

He held on to the ball too long!!!! He held on to the ball to long!!!!!!!
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That's reality right there.

He was drafted by the Belichick coaching tree so he would likely complain about the lack of variety.