Florio: Haley threatened to trade Bowe during Redskins game
 

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...r-dwayne-bowe/

WTF?

If this is for real, then this is a joke of a head coach.

I don't think Bowe would give a f**k if he got traded, just like any other player... What kind of threat is that, lol?

ummm. Not if it worked.

Ha ha... Why would this not surprise me?

I bet Haley would rape a player's mother if it resulted in motivation....

Why?

It was probably something he said right after a Bowe f**k-up, and it was probably a yell along the lines of, "WHAT THE F**K, BOWE?!? I'M TIRED OF THIS SHIT!! IF YOU CAN'T FIGURE OUT WHAT TO F**KING DO OUT THERE, I'LL TRADE YOUR ASS OUTTA HERE!"

And it seems to have worked. So maybe you should request Haley make that threat to the other 52 guys...

:rolleyes:

I don't believe it but if its true, then WTF haley?


But I seriously doubt haley is that big of an asshole. And I doubt bowe would be celebrating with haley at the end of the game if he had just received that threat earlier in the game.
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You're right. A tactic used to get the best out of a player truly shows what a joke he is and how little he knows. Haley should be fired today.

Eh.

I'm sure he was ready to make the call to Pioli at halftime. :rolleyes:

Anti-Haley sentiment is not in vogue after the big win. You'd better fall in line or DaFace will trade you to the Mange.

oh no, a coach said something mean to a player who screwed up during a game...


everyone faint together

ROFL

Assuming this report is accurate:

-Has Haley run out of motivation techniques if he's dropping "I'll trade your ass" in the middle of a game?

-What will he use for the rest of the season, once the trade deadline passes tomorrow?

-If the HC feels it's necessary to use that type of threat to "motivate" a star player, what does that say about the coach? Or for that matter, the star player?

Florio: Todd Haley reportedly was heard shouting "Don't Make Me Shank You!" to receiver Dwayne Bowe on the sidelines during the Chiefs/Cowboys contest.

Now that is a terrifying threat!

Anti-Haley is one thing. Blasting him for a tactic that worked, assuming it happened at all, is just silly.

Look, I am a huge supporter of Haley, and have been this season.

However, threatening to trade a player in the middle of the game, especially then that is your best player is junior high shit.

He has been riding Bowe's ass for how long now? At a certain point his "threats" will ring hollow and everything he says will go in one ear and out the other.

I honestly don't believe that he really did this in the middle of the game, because this is how you lose players.

Anyone who thinks Cassel is playing scared could probably attribute to Cassel being yelled at everytime he walks off the field as well. There is something to be said about building your players' confidence as well as coaching mistakes.

Or maybe Florio is just trying to shit something out of his ass and hope it sticks to the wall....

If the Chiefs trade Bowe, then wake me up when the Defense comes on the field, because I won't be watching the offense.

What do you want for a coach? Barney the f**king Dinosaur? Who gives a shit if he's an asshole! You think Bill Belichick is a nice guy? Bill Parcells? You think Jon Gruden is cuddly? Bum Phillips, Vince Lombardi, Mike Ditka, Hank Stram, Don Shula? Those guys looked like they would rip off your head and skullf**k it and then shit in the neck opening.

If they want to be cuddled, they can fly home to mama for a cheek-pinch and some chicken soup.

If they want to win football games, they should do their jobs right.

that's a threat?!?



sounds more like motivation to fuck up to me...

Why would being traded off of this shitty team be anything to worry about? Oh wait, did he threaten to trade him to the Redskins?

Well, maybe Bowe has a junior high mentality and that's what it takes to get through to him.

Reporter: "How's Terry Glenn's injury doing?"
Bill Parcells: "She's coming along."

How many times would it take for your boss to threaten your job before you quit taking him seriously? Or lose all respect for him?

are you for real?

Note I said not that big. Its ok to be a bit assholish but that's on a mangini level of asshole.
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Definitely sounds like "throw crap against the wall" from Florio.

Haley did read Bowe the riot act for dropping those passes, no doubt. He also was over banging on Bowe's chest and shoulder when he made those great twisting catches also.

Follow me here:

My first words were "if this really happened..."

Also, yeah it "worked" this game as Bowe had 100+ yards receiving. He also dropped at least 3 balls. He had a lot of 100 yard games last year too, without Herm threatening to trade him. Maybe he's just a good player?

And this shit will "work" for a game, or a few games, but there is a point that it will grow old to these guys who are working their asses off.

So he told Bowe he would trade him, bowe decided to dropped 3 catches and ignored the fact to stay inbounds late in the game, thus bowe became untradeable. So

I'm not a big haley supporter but if this is true and he really was sincere then I like it. It's time for bowe to get his sh*t together and be the pro bowl player he can be. Stop dropping balls and playing bitch in the middle or I'm going to get rid of your ass.

"I could find 22 guys off the street who could **** your mother better than that!!!"

If I wasn't in a tenured position (e.g. MLB with a guaranteed contract)? And I made millions to play a game? And the guy making the threat had the power to make me move across the country and play with a whole new bunch of guys I might not like, in a place that might suck even more? I think I'd take him pretty seriously.

When Bowe makes big plays Haley is the first guy there to congratulate him. You really think Haley is just breaking his foot off in Bowe's ass 24/7 without SOME positive feedback in there too? Hardly.

Either way some of you on here sound like tampax when it comes to Haley. I've never heard so much complaining about a guy that you don't have to work for/with that seems to have the respect and admiration of his players. Sheesh.

But the point is none of us are there with the team. Regardless of all the articles we read, we don't know the dynamics of his relationships with his players. All I've seen all year supports the idea that he has the respect of that team. His relationship with Bowe seems especially strong. So if we think it's stupid to threaten a trade or bench him for effect, it does not matter. If it works it works.

To be clear, I don't think this happened. But if it did, good for Haley to know what Bowe needed to hear, and I like hearing that Bowe was motivated to remain a Chief.

After 4 months, I honestly doubt it.

Probably more than one.

I haven't seen much hate on Haley at all. In fact, this is the first negative thing I have ever said about him, and that is if this is even a true report.

I just think that you are seeing some players (Cassel, Bowe) play tight as he is constantly riding their asses. It's good to have that, but if it is all the time, it will get old.

you guys are hilarious, it's like a bunch of girls sitting around "discussing" the latest episode of "The Hills"


"OMG, did you hear what Brody said to......"

In high school, I missed a backside block during a game and my QB got killed. I did it again in practice... My coach grabbed me and pulled me back 5 feet, walked back to where he was standing, got in a 3 point stance and fucking charged and smoked the piss out of me. I never forgot to block backside again. And the guy was in his 50's. I like tough coaches. I like Haley.

Fair enough.

Do you think he is coaching Cassel the right way?

No support for him during training camp, extremely conservative playcalling, multiple heated exchanges on the sidelines, and constantly yelling and rolling his eyes when Cassel makes a mistake.

Hmmm don't really know what to think of that. I can't say I approve of this motivation tactic. If it was intentional.

However, it is possible it was taken out of context. Every coach gets pissed and says things they don't mean. I had a coach in high school that would ask us if we were deaf or just plain dumb. At one point he told us to respond with "neither, coach.". Point is that coaches say things they don't mean. My coach didn't think I was dumb (even though I was), but he said it anyway. And it wasn't just that comment. He'd say other things like "My wife's going to come after you because I'm going to pull my ****ing hair out and she doesn't like bald guys". He wasn't going to pull his hair out. Coaches rarely sit people on the bench forever, kill the refs, kick our ass so hard our grandma dies, or any of the other crap they yell when they are pissed off.

It's possible it was something like "Jesus Christ, Bowe. What the **** was that? That's the play of someone who wants to get traded" or something like that.

Or it could have been "get your head out of your ass or I'm trading you to Baltimore for a bag of K balls.". Who knows.

But if it was a legit threat Haley won't be in the league too long.
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Kansas City is a big pussy town. Go Mark Teahen!

Isn't this basically what we do in every thread? Discuss something we saw someone else do on T.V.?

Better be glad there weren't no CP parents who saw or heard about that. He'd be spending the final years of his life in jail.

Nothing to see here.

Bowe said yesterday he understood why Haley had been riding him.
He responded. This is a non-issue.

Don't even bother, dude.

It's the polar opposite of Herm, therefore everyone loves it.

I think it's ****ing hilarious that people actually think that these type of threats actually motivate professional athletes. Like Bowe would have only had 20 yards receiving yesterday had Haley not threatened him.

The kid put up 100+ because he's ****ing talented, not because Todd Haley made some dumbass threat.

How in the world can you say it worked?

The coach is making childish threats in the middle of the damn game. Winning doesn't justify the coach acting like an irrational egomaniac.

The players on the Chiefs need to have a fire lite under their butts.

More likely, Haley said something to the effect of "If you don't want to take your job seriously out there then we'll find someone else to do it," and that filtered down to someone, who filtered it down to someone else, who filtered it down to the "league source", who by this point got the version of the story where Haley was dialing up Miami to trade him.

Or this "source" is from another AFC West team trying to get a rumor out there to knock down trade value if indeed the Chiefs were for whatever reason shopping the guy...

Why is everyone defending Bowe. This guy is known for dropping passes left and right if they hit him in the numbers or in the hands.

I know he is exciting to watch SOMETIMES, but honestly, its like watching a taller version of Johnny Morton.

If you're a WR, then catch the ball, otherwise get off the field.

Stop pissing on a win. Women have gotten pregnant, given birth, and started feeding the kid baby food since we last won a game.

JFC.

Allegedly...

This here.

How much has Haley been discussed here already, how he seems to coach like Parcells and Belichick? How many times have people said that football players don't need to be coddled and don't need a "players' coach"?

The problem with the Chiefs is a current lack of talent, and the fact that it will be a long painful process to correct the horrible cracked foundation laid by Carl and Herm. The problem with the Chiefs is not that Haley is a hard-ass. If Haley was warm and fuzzy, the Chiefs would be in even worse shape.

Haley is Lou Gossett. The Chiefs are the slimy-worm new recruits. Bowe and the rest have to decide if they're steers, or queers.

I like that 100+ isn't good enough, especially when 150 hits you in the hands.

Bullshit.

I have no coaching experience and I don't see them behind closed doors so it's hard for me to say. I will say that I think Haley felt that Cassel expected to walk into the starting job due to his big contract. I'm not sure Cassel is Haley's guy. I wouldn't be too surprised if he kept his options open for next year.

As for the conservative calls, that's probably just to keep Cassel from getting even more beat up than he does. My buddy works with Matt's sister. I guess she says he's in an ice bath pretty much all week trying to recover.

I think it's ****ing hilarious that you actually think that you know what does or doesn't motivate Bowe.

Interesting choice of analogies.

I've always liked 'em yellers. Shows some fire in the belly. **** those pussy millionaires.

The truth is, doomy closed this thread with response #2. Maybe everything is fine for now, but the long-term view would not be strong.

I highlighted your problem. You're assuming the Chiefs have professional athletes. More like the cast of "Stripes".

You take your foot off the pedal when the engine is humming. The time to be nice to them is AFTER they know what they're doing. Until then, they get the whip, and gruel.

Just think what the reaction would be if he referred to Bowe as "she"...

Bowe made at least two huge mistakes in that game that easily could have cost us a victory


and if that had happened, the usual group of Heathers would be here whining and crying about the Chiefs and that meany idiot Haley...


but Haley isn't supposed to hold Bowe accountable for repeated mistakes, just be nice guy and and let the fat losers continue to be fat losers....in which case the same group of Heathers would still be complaining about the Chiefs and that meany idiot Haley...

total no win situation....hell, we finally won a game and people are fainting because a coach said something mean to a player on the sideline....the first time in the history of the nfl, it seems...


i wish Haley could work over our soft bitch fan base as well...

I think you're looking into it way further than Haley or Bowe or anyone else on the team. Like it was said earlier, it was probably along the lines of:

...not something Haley thought about for more than a second in terms of motivational technique, or what he'll say next time, or whatever. I've had a boss who was high strung and liked to yell a lot, and it was just that... yelling. While some tirades might be part of a master plan to push certain buttons, others aren't, and this doesn't seem like anything more than yelling.

Whether it'll wear off, I guess we'll see, but I certainly don't see Haley thinking "threatening to trade him is all I've got left!!!" He was pissed. He yelled. And the article doesn't even really say whether it did light a fire under Bowe's ass or if it was all because they were playing the Washington Redskins.

Bowe specifically? No. I'm not in his head.

However, you'd be hard pressed to argue with the position that the majority of professional football players are driven by pride/ego and money. Not childish threats.

If the article is to be believed at all, then not only did he say it, it motivated Bowe. He then had a great day, especially considering the offensive output of the rest of the team.

I agree for the most part.

However, Bowe is a professional athlete. And a damned good one at that.

Exactly, and it's ridiculous to think Haley did it to motivate Bowe.

If you throw the ball to Bowe as many times as we did this last game, he's going to get his yards. That's a given, regardless of any threats.

The only thing I see that changed here is Cassel focusing more on Bowe, like he should have been doing all along. He still dropped quite a few that he shouldn't have.

Please don't constrew what I said with a justification for Haley. If it was a legit threat, it was poor coaching. I just think whatever it was that he said was taken out of context.
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...and you're a dumbshit...

ROFL

Uhhh, that's the whole reason this team has sucked so badly the last few years. It's full of guys who are driven by pride/ego and money. It's NOT full of guys who are driven by the desire to win. So that's exactly what Haley and Pioli are trying to figure out right now. Who wants to win ballgames, and who is content to get a paycheck and be a mediocre football player for the rest of their professional career.

If Bowe is in the latter category, then yes, trade his ass.

If Haley can build a team that is driven by the thought of winning and who are self accountable and accountable to their teammates, he won't need to bother with the button pushing...

He's not saying what you think he's saying.

I remember this one time in a heated moment at Johnson County 3&2, I had a coach yell, "You little shits better pick it up."

I was scared shitless and went on to a go 3-4 with 5 RBIs. Worked like a charm. Knocked the pussy out of me.

I was in the 4th grade, of course, but high-quality coaching is high-quality coaching.

it doesn't mean anything people

shit like this gets said on every sideline of every game every week of every year....

it's forgotten about almost as soon as it happens...


****ing emo fans

If Bowe thought Haley was serious, he would have dropped every ball and caught the first train out of KC.

DaFace, may I suggest that whoever the person that brings up a new thread of Sanchez, should be traded to the Mange for a beer and hotdogs.

And yes, it is a threat. :D

Most of us don't have multi-million dollar contracts while playing a game we love...

Your sarcasm meter must be broken today bro.........

Oh, bull ****ing shit.

If you don't equate pride with winning, you're ****ing reeruned.

These guy have friends all around the league - you think the majority are content to just collect a paycheck on a 1-5 team, while buddies of theirs are on SportsCenter every night, making plays for a contender?

Wow.