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LaChapelle 10-20-2009 10:24 AM

Finheaven:Trade lust gone amuck
 
http://www.finheaven.com/forums/f2/

Bowe
Dorsey
Steve Smith
DJ*
*-WPI

InChiefsHeaven 10-20-2009 10:29 AM

NO...fuking...way...

Bowser 10-20-2009 10:30 AM

"Just heard on WQAM that the Dolphins and Chiefs are close to a deal that would send Dwayne Bowe, and Glenn Dorsey to Miami for 3 undisclosed draft pics. I also heard that Miami and Carolina are also in talks to send WR Steve Smith to Miami, but Miami it waiting to see which deal will better serve the team. So, expect one of these deals to be announced sometime today before the deadline."

doomy3 10-20-2009 10:30 AM

They sure seem to believe it for whatever reason

Bowser 10-20-2009 10:31 AM

If, and I stress IF, this is true, it had better be for no less than their first and second next year, and their first in 2011.

That being said, no way do I think this happens.

wild1 10-20-2009 10:32 AM

Quote:

Just heard on WQAM that the Dolphins and Chiefs are close to a deal that would send Dwayne Bowe, and Glenn Dorsey to Miami for 3 undisclosed draft pics. I also heard that Miami and Carolina are also in talks to send WR Steve Smith to Miami, but Miami it waiting to see which deal will better serve the team. So, expect one of these deals to be announced sometime today before the deadline.

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Who knows what this guy actually heard or what the station's basis is.

Can anyone go to that WQAM website and listen live?

Gonzo 10-20-2009 10:33 AM

Ok Gang....

Bowser 10-20-2009 10:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gonzo (Post 6190825)
Ok Gang....

Pretty much....

Gonzo 10-20-2009 10:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 6190829)
Pretty much....

Yep...


Where's Athan when you need him...

ROFL

CoMoChief 10-20-2009 10:38 AM

If this is the case.....color me finished as a Chiefs fan.

Getting rid of Bowe? Our best offensive weapon when we have little to no talent on offense? Did anyone learn anything from the Jared Allen trade? YOU DONT TRADE AWAY YOUR GOOD YOUNG PLAYERS and bank on the fact that you MIGHT hit on your draft pick you receive in return.

Getting rid of Dorsey when it seems he's finally starting to come around?!?!?!

Getting rid of Derrick Johnson is stupid too......though I can see why we would do it.

Coach 10-20-2009 10:39 AM

Wow. A source from WPI.

Who would had thunk of it?

Blindside58 10-20-2009 10:40 AM

I would actually be receptive if Ted Ginn was involved as compensation for Bowe. Bowe fits their scheme of hard nosed 10 yards at a time, and we need a Kick returner/Wideout like Ginn....

kaplin42 10-20-2009 10:41 AM

I'm sorry, but I think this is great if true.

Dorsey does not fit our needs at all, as he is not a 3-4 lineman, and Bowe is inconsistant as a WR. Give us a few high end picks that will let Piolli and Haley get their guys in here, and away we go.

Hydrae 10-20-2009 10:42 AM

If we do this I guess we may as well just forfeit the rest of games, We are having a hard enough time competing in this league now.

Dayze 10-20-2009 10:42 AM

I don't really give a sh*t who leaves, who we get in return etc.

I just want to win a super bowl before I die.

wild1 10-20-2009 10:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hydrae (Post 6190849)
If we do this I guess we may as well just forfeit the rest of games, We are having a hard enough time competing in this league now.

It's almost like they are more worried about the future than about competing this year. :Poke: :)

CaliforniaChief 10-20-2009 10:43 AM

It's gonna be a long day. A WPI-inspired CP meltdown of epic proportions.

kaplin42 10-20-2009 10:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hydrae (Post 6190849)
If we do this I guess we may as well just forfeit the rest of games, We are having a hard enough time competing in this league now.

if you were expecting more than a 3 win season you were deluding yourself. This team is currently horrific, and it starts in the trenches. The O-Line alone could keep this team at the bottom of the barrel for the next several years if not addressed this offseason.

Dayze 10-20-2009 10:45 AM

just trade them Niswanger for Long straight up and be done with it.

lol

Stewie 10-20-2009 10:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by InChiefsHell (Post 6190813)
NO...fuking...way...

+1

Hydrae 10-20-2009 10:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kaplin42 (Post 6190857)
if you were expecting more than a 3 win season you were deluding yourself. This team is currently horrific, and it starts in the trenches. The O-Line alone could keep this team at the bottom of the barrel for the next several years if not addressed this offseason.

I have little to no expectations this year but if this happens I will tune out until after the season.

Sofa King 10-20-2009 10:47 AM

http://blog.lege.net/content/Follow_...600x600Q85.jpg

kcfanXIII 10-20-2009 10:48 AM

this would have to be compensation comparable to the walker deal the cowboys pulled off way back when...

Rain Man 10-20-2009 10:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dayze (Post 6190850)
I don't really give a sh*t who leaves, who we get in return etc.

I just want to win a super bowl before I die.



Boy, that doesn't give us much time.



Whoa, hey. Psychic flash. I've never had one of those before.

LaChapelle 10-20-2009 10:49 AM

MONKEY THROWING POO
repeat
MONKEY THROWING POO

Finheaven would make the National Enquirer ashamed

Dayze 10-20-2009 10:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 6190868)
Boy, that doesn't give us much time.



Whoa, hey. Psychic flash. I've never had one of those before.

LMAO

kstater 10-20-2009 11:07 AM

ROFL

Sure-Oz 10-20-2009 11:10 AM

can't wait till, what 3pm cst for this deadline to be over

kcfanXIII 10-20-2009 11:12 AM

it is pretty funny to read all them talk like the DEAL IS DONE. lol, any one want to inform them about the source, or should we just let them get their hopes up?

DeezNutz 10-20-2009 11:13 AM

:(

Sucks to lose both players.

CaliforniaChief 10-20-2009 11:17 AM

They must be trying to pry Thigpen back.

Bwana 10-20-2009 11:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dayze (Post 6190850)
I don't really give a sh*t who leaves, who we get in return etc.

I just want to win a super bowl before I die.

THIS!

Demonpenz 10-20-2009 11:20 AM

I think this is a good trade for both sides, bowe can drop all the passes he wants in MIAMI.

Coach 10-20-2009 11:21 AM

2 hours and 39 more minutes before this shitty madness finally ends....

PhillyChiefFan 10-20-2009 11:22 AM

Now way this happens. Dorsey I can see, because we changed schemes, though I think he is coming along well.

Bowe may drop passes sometimes, but he is the best offensive weapon we have and at the very least a good player we can build on.

DaWolf 10-20-2009 11:23 AM

I find it hard to believe that all these rumors have legitimacy considering how tight lipped Tuna and Pioli are about their dealings. So all of a sudden some radio station has the inside scoop?

Bwana 10-20-2009 11:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaWolf (Post 6190949)
I find it hard to believe that all these rumors have legitimacy considering how tight lipped Tuna and Pioli are about their dealings. So all of a sudden some radio station has the inside scoop?

Indeed and I think it's all bullshit, but I could live with it if it's true as well. We need some MAJOR changes.

OnTheWarpath15 10-20-2009 11:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaWolf (Post 6190949)
I find it hard to believe that all these rumors have legitimacy considering how tight lipped Tuna and Pioli are about their dealings. So all of a sudden some radio station has the inside scoop?

Not that I believe it for a second, but it's usually team employees or the players agents that leak news like this.

the Talking Can 10-20-2009 11:34 AM

people spend too much time playing Madden football...

DeezNutz 10-20-2009 11:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Demonpenz (Post 6190933)
I think this is a good trade for both sides, bowe can drop all the passes he wants in MIAMI.

Good point.

And Dorsey might start getting his shit together, too.

Skip Towne 10-20-2009 11:35 AM

GoChiefs is conspicuous by his abscence.

kaplin42 10-20-2009 11:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PhillyChiefFan (Post 6190944)
Now way this happens. Dorsey I can see, because we changed schemes, though I think he is coming along well.

Bowe may drop passes at least half the time, but he is the best offensive weapon we have and at the very least a sub par player we should look at getting what we can for.

FYP!!!

Demonpenz 10-20-2009 11:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skip Towne (Post 6190967)
GoChiefs is conspicuous by his abscence.

he's at work right now.

SAUTO 10-20-2009 11:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skip Towne (Post 6190967)
GoChiefs is conspicuous by his abscence.

him and the assclown are too busy e mailing each other breaking trade rumors from their respective couches, you know that all kinds of nfl brass stop ny their houses to ask their opinion

DeezNutz 10-20-2009 11:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skip Towne (Post 6190967)
GoChiefs is conspicuous by his abscence.

I know these are tough times. But if you look in your heart, GoChiefs will always be with you.

the Talking Can 10-20-2009 11:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Demonpenz (Post 6190973)
he's at work right now.

busily re-reporting the work of people who actually have connections and inside info
Quote:

According to a <I>Twitter</I> report from WQAM Radio host Steve Goldstein, who is also the play-by-play man for the NHL’s Florida Panthers, the Miami Dolphins could be on the verge of adding another Kansas City Chief to their roster.
<br><br>Per the rumor, the Chiefs want two draft picks and possibly a player from the Dolphins in exchange for wide receiver <A HREF=http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=4307406>Dwayne Bowe</A>. One of those picks, per Goldstein, would be a 2010 second-round pick. He’s claiming the Chiefs say that’s the minimum they’d accept as part of any trade involving Bowe.

<br><br>There are also other internet rumblings indicating the Baltimore Ravens could be in the mix for Bowe, who has fallen out of favor with head coach Todd Haley. That’s not a surprise considering the entire organization seems intent on releasing or trading most of the players who were part of the Carl Peterson era.
<br><br>The doghouse has been a constant location for Bowe since Haley arrived in Kansas City. They’ve had a tumultuous relationship since off-season workouts began in March. Haley didn’t like Bowe’s “Show” mentality, and it’s steadily gone downhill ever since.
<br><br>The Chiefs and Dolphins have already been busy this offseason. On August 24 they worked out a deal that included an undisclosed 2010 draft pick (reportedly a sixth rounder) in exchange for offensive linemen Andy Alleman and Ike Ndukwe. On September 30, quarterback <A HREF=http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=4583398>Tyler Thigpen</A> was shipped to Miami in exchange for a 2010 fifth-round selection.
<br><br>The Chiefs are hoping to cash in during the next 24 hours so they can obtain as many 2010 draft picks as possible, and Bowe might not be the only player traded. Monday night, Kansas City dealt defensive tackle Tank Tyler to the Carolina Panthers. The Chiefs are also hoping to move linebacker <A HREF=http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=4307508>Derrick Johnson</A>. <I>Warpaint Illustrated</I> has learned that the Chicago Bears, Philadelphia Eagles and Detroit Lions have all made inquiries regarding Johnson.
<br><br>Like Bowe, Johnson is in the doghouse and receiving only scraps of playing time. He’s in the final year of his rookie contract and likely would welcome any change in order to salvage his career. He played more snaps Sunday against the Redskins than he had in recent weeks, so it’s possible the Chiefs were showcasing him before Tuedsay’s trade deadline.
<br><br>Other players that could be moved include defensive end <A HREF=http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=4307441>Glenn Dorsey</A> (we hear the Atlanta Falcons are interested), running back <A HREF=http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=4307530>Larry Johnson</A>, safety <A HREF=http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=4307542>Jarrad Page</A> and backup quarterback <A HREF=http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=4307425>Brodie Croyle</A>.

<br><br>The Chiefs, according to Jay Glazer of <I>Fox Sports.com</I>, are willing to trade anyone on their roster with the exception of starting quarterback <A HREF=http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=4210794>Matt Cassel</A>.
<br><br>Stay tuned to <I>Warpaint Illustrated</I> for the latest trade news involving the Kansas City Chiefs. <br>
http://kan.scout.com/2/911024.html

veist 10-20-2009 11:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kaplin42 (Post 6190971)
FYP!!!

He's so sub-par that his DVOA despite our shitty offense is 23.3% ... putting him at #12 at WR in value per play through week 5 of this season. A full 30% swing from where he finished last year at DVOA. He's a real bum and totally not taking to Haley's coaching and not improving at all.

LaChapelle 10-20-2009 11:58 AM

Vermiel says Dwayne Johnson doesn't fit the profile.

Gravedigger 10-20-2009 11:58 AM

There is a point when cleaning house is a great thing sometimes, especially given our past regime of Carl and Herm BUT I highly doubt during the middle part of the season is the right time. The time is right for Dorsey cause god knows if he'll play better than he's playing right now, Johnson seems to be a person who doesnt care about his role on this team anymore so I can see that, but Dwayne Bowe would just tell me that we aren't even fishing for one more win this year, and that Todd Haley's job isn't in question at the end of the season regardless of the final record.

Sure-Oz 10-20-2009 12:01 PM

Galloway heading to KC must be a sign that bowe is nearly getting traded!111

LaChapelle 10-20-2009 12:02 PM

Joey G will replace Bowe
Roth will replace DJ
Turd Sands will replace Dorsey

The Franchise 10-20-2009 12:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 6190993)
busily re-reporting the work of people who actually have connections and inside info


http://kan.scout.com/2/911024.html

That's premium information!!!!! :evil:

Sure-Oz 10-20-2009 12:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 6191017)
That's premium information!!!!! :evil:

I just noticed that too, oopsLMAO

the Talking Can 10-20-2009 12:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 6191017)
That's premium information!!!!! :evil:

it is accessible via google to anyone in the world

Sure-Oz 10-20-2009 12:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 6191023)
it is accessible via google to anyone in the world

google has a prescription to WPI!!!

King_Chief_Fan 10-20-2009 12:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 6191017)
That's premium information!!!!! :evil:

people actually pay for speculation from a hack?

Mr. Laz 10-20-2009 12:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coach (Post 6190937)
2 hours and 39 more minutes before this shitty madness finally ends....

yea ... cus this season is just so much fun having something else getting in the way is just such a bother.

:rolleyes:

kcfanXIII 10-20-2009 12:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gravedigger (Post 6191003)
and that Todd Haley's job isn't in question at the end of the season regardless of the final record.

its not, get over it.

Kylo Ren 10-20-2009 12:11 PM

At this point, I'd love to see EVERY single player named in this article traded in the next two hours. This team has been terrible for 3, going on 4 years. BLOW IT UP! We hired Pioli to cook a meal. We should give him the groceries he wants. We're terrible on offense. We're terrible on defense. The offensive line is terrible. Load up on draft picks and get a young O-line. The entire team, offense and defense, relys on a great O-line. THAT's where rebuilding needs to begin.

kaplin42 10-20-2009 12:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by John_Wayne (Post 6191045)
At this point, I'd love to see EVERY single player named in this article traded in the next two hours. This team has been terrible for 3, going on 4 years. BLOW IT UP! We hired Pioli to cook a meal. We should give him the groceries he wants. We're terrible on offense. We're terrible on defense. The offensive line is terrible. Load up on draft picks and get a young O-line. The entire team, offense and defense, relys on a great O-line. THAT's where rebuilding needs to begin.

WIN!!!

kcfanXIII 10-20-2009 12:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by John_Wayne (Post 6191045)
At this point, I'd love to see EVERY single player named in this article traded in the next two hours. This team has been terrible for 3, going on 4 years. BLOW IT UP! We hired Pioli to cook a meal. We should give him the groceries he wants. We're terrible on offense. We're terrible on defense. The offensive line is terrible. Load up on draft picks and get a young O-line. The entire team, offense and defense, relys on a great O-line. THAT's where rebuilding needs to begin.


do i need to remind you of the names of jared allen, or carlos beltran? even when rebuilding you don't trade your young talented players. you just don't. when you do it sets you back even further, cause your left with a crapshoot in the draft.

kaplin42 10-20-2009 12:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kcfanXIII (Post 6191068)
do i need to remind you of the names of jared allen, or carlos beltran? even when rebuilding you don't trade your young talented players. you just don't. when you do it sets you back even further, cause your left with a crapshoot in the draft.

I would agree with this sentiment, except who on the team is actually of Jared Allen caliber.

And even then, by time this team actually sees the payoff of this, Allen will be on the downside of his career.

LaChapelle 10-20-2009 12:40 PM

Originally Published: October 20, 2009
Expect Quinn, T.O. to stay put

By John Clayton
ESPN.com


General managers and coaches spent Monday reviewing ideas and making phone calls. As everyone saw Friday night when Adams went to the Chicago Bears for a second-round pick in 2010, a deal can come together quickly. The Tampa Bay Buccaneers spent a good portion of last week trying to get draft choices for current players, and Adams was their most recognizable name.

What are the chances for something to get done?


Teams such as the Cleveland Browns, Oakland Raiders, Bucs and Kansas City Chiefs would love to get future value for some of their players. The Chiefs got a fifth-round pick from the Carolina Panthers for defensive tackle Tank Tyler on Monday.

It would take a lot get a Glenn Dorsey out of Kansas City. Plus, the Chiefs are trying to build a 3-4 defensive line, not break it up. Coach Eric Mangini has gone on record as saying the Browns aren't going to trade Brady Quinn or Josh Cribbs. Of the two, Cribbs would draw the most interest because numerous teams would love a versatile playmaker, but Mangini has liked Cribbs since the coach came to Cleveland.


Wide receiver is one of the most cherished positions for teams in search of trade help. The New England Patriots could use a third receiver behind Randy Moss and Wes Welker. Joey Galloway was released Tuesday, and the Patriots are using special-teamer Sam Aiken and seventh-round pick Julian Edelman as their third and fourth receivers.

The Baltimore Ravens would like to upgrade their receiving corps, but don't expect the Chiefs to give up on Dwayne Bowe with his productivity getting better every week. It wouldn't be surprising if the Redskins shop around for another receiver. The Bears might look for a receiver, but they have already given up enough draft choices in the Jay Cutler and Adams trades.


Don't expect anything to happen with Terrell Owens. Owens might be a difference-maker, but he hasn't changed the fortunes of the Buffalo Bills' offense. To acquire Owens, a team must accept the potential problems he might cause for the quarterback and the locker room. Although teams are willing to make gambles like that, the bigger problem is that Owens would have to learn a new offense overnight, further minimizing his value.


The Atlanta Falcons, New York Jets and San Diego Chargers would love to acquire a run-stopping defensive tackle, but there aren't enough available. Each team has suffered a season-ending injury at defensive tackle, but finding replacements this late is impossible. Most teams want to hold on to defensive tackles because they are too hard to find.


Because most teams have excess running backs, there is virtually no value in dealing a back. At best, a good back could net a fourth-round pick, but the likelier scenario is a sixth-rounder. In most cases, it makes better sense to keep a back than trade him.
John Clayton, a recipient of the Pro Football Hall of Fame's McCann Award for distinguished reporting, is a senior writer for ESPN.com.

Silock 10-20-2009 12:43 PM

PRINT EM

ChiefsCountry 10-20-2009 12:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blindside58 (Post 6190843)
I would actually be receptive if Ted Ginn was involved as compensation for Bowe. Bowe fits their scheme of hard nosed 10 yards at a time, and we need a Kick returner/Wideout like Ginn....

Ginn is the type of receiver you need to pair with Bowe. Ginn isnt a #1, Bowe is. Ginn is a solid #2 speed guy, which is what Bowe needs opposite him.

-King- 10-20-2009 12:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by John_Wayne (Post 6191045)
At this point, I'd love to see EVERY single player named in this article traded in the next two hours. This team has been terrible for 3, going on 4 years. BLOW IT UP! We hired Pioli to cook a meal. We should give him the groceries he wants. We're terrible on offense. We're terrible on defense. The offensive line is terrible. Load up on draft picks and get a young O-line. The entire team, offense and defense, relys on a great O-line. THAT's where rebuilding needs to begin.

Oh good analogy. So when you go grocery shopping you throw away all the food you presently have?
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LaChapelle 10-20-2009 12:50 PM

Ginn is the one who sucks the penis in Miami
Haley would strangle him day one

wild1 10-20-2009 12:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KcChiefsKing (Post 6191155)
Oh good analogy. So when you go grocery shopping you throw away all the food you presently have?
Posted via Mobile Device

If it's rotten I do.

LaChapelle 10-20-2009 12:56 PM

Finheaven's tag line is Go Deep, and it's not new.

Red Coater 10-20-2009 12:59 PM

who would replace Bowe in next years draft in RD 2?

Dayze 10-20-2009 01:00 PM

SHipley

lmao

Coach 10-20-2009 01:01 PM

One more hour before this shitstorm is finally over....

Molitoth 10-20-2009 01:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coach (Post 6191215)
One more hour before this shitstorm is finally over....

ughh, i hope SOMETHING happens that we can be excited about...

Reerun_KC 10-20-2009 01:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KcChiefsKing (Post 6191155)
Oh good analogy. So when you go grocery shopping you throw away all the food you presently have?
Posted via Mobile Device

considering most is rotten or spoiled... I sure dont want to start a killer meal with spoiled steaks, rotten potatoes and wormie corn...

do you?

Dayze 10-20-2009 01:05 PM

A friend of mine in Miami just called to let me know he saw Dorsey get off a plane wearing a white tank top, under a teal cotton sport-coat w/ sleeves rolled up; white cotton slacks, and loafters w/ no socks.

Coach 10-20-2009 01:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Molitoth (Post 6191219)
ughh, i hope SOMETHING happens that we can be excited about...

Well, if something can be done with Derrick Johnson, that'd be great. Other than that, I think the Chiefs are pretty much done.

Shag 10-20-2009 01:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Molitoth (Post 6191219)
ughh, i hope SOMETHING happens that we can be excited about...

Don't hold your breath...

Dayze 10-20-2009 01:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shag (Post 6191246)
Don't hold your breath...

yep the word "Excitement" hasn't been associted with the Chiefs in 6+ years.

topher79 10-20-2009 01:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Red Coater (Post 6191196)
who would replace Bowe in next years draft in RD 2?

RD2 Dezmon Briscoe
RD4 Kerry Meier

Coach 10-20-2009 01:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by topher79 (Post 6191254)
RD2 Dezmon Briscoe
RD4 Kerry Meier

Hell no.


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