Is it conceivable for the Chiefs to dump Pioli & Haley and get Cowher for GM & HC?
 

I never wanted Pioli or Haley and I would love to see Cowher in KC. Is it possible?

FAIL

Possible?

Yes.

Likely?

No...

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Hell, someone was going to post it.

lol ok

Sure, if its conceivable to go back in time, and have your dad pull out and wipe you off on the curtains instead...


BTW, love your threads, keep them coming.

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glad to amuse.

I see someone has completely lost his mind this evening....

OH MY!

Happy Halloween! You came dressed as a dumbass!

"Yeah Scott, we know that you helped build a 3-time Super Bowl winner in NE, but we're cutting you after one year because you inherited a talent-ridden shitfest. Sorry, goodbye." Um, no ...

I guess I don't understand. We all knew it was going to be a long year. If you didn't know it was going to be a 1,2 or 3 win year then you are a dumbass! Give Haley time he's had 1 draft and a few games....give him at least 1 or 2 more full years before you want him replaced! Patience young Chief fans!

It has nothing to do with the W's and L's. The problem stems from the myopic dipshittery of the regime, thinking that because players came from NE, Miami, Dallas, or Az that they are the only worthwhile NFL players. Compound that with the belief that the 3-4 is the only defense to run, and you have rampant one who sucks the penisy and ineffectiveness which belies itself in the weekly performance.

DOES NOT COMPUTE

Sounds like YOU understand just fine...

Sure. However I'll only give Cowher two games to turn this thing around, otherwise I'm getting rid of him and going after someone better.

FTR, I've seen nothing to indicate that Bill Cowher is a good evaluator of talent. He seemed to finally understand the importance of a QB at the ass end of his Pitt tenure, but he has proven jack and **** on the pro personnel level.

I agree 100%

BUT

take into consideration that Pioli is working off information by HERMS SCOUTS.

The only players he knows and trusts the scouting on are the ones he had a "hands on" process with. I understand Dimitroff handled this mostly, but man Pioli is basicallly alone right now as far as talent goes. Not saying Im giving him a pass because the players he did bring in were of the fail to the tenth power, just sayin...

During the time when getting the lackadaisical, lazy loser mentality out of the teams brain, it isnt a complete fail to bring in players that are used to being around winning.

I have given them a leash in this situation that may be a little longer than I gave in past ones because of the total fail they were willing to take over and hopefully transform into a winning franchise and their records in doing so are there for all to see.

If we are still a team getting blown out by middle of the pack teams like the Chargers during the first quarter of next year, I will open the floodgates...but I didnt really expect too much progress up to this point because of what they were given.

That fair?

He also struggled mightily when Dick Lebeu wasn't there.

It was like a light switch turning on, when he returned so did the defenses greatness.

yes yes yes yes yes

Cowher would never go 3-30.




just sayin'

The Herm/Carl Scout thing is a just a bunch of bull shit. Scouts just collect information they really have no say any football decision.

Cowher would not help at all. He's a pretty good coach, but his success was due to the Steelers front office. He would be epic fail here...

no

Die in a fire.

Pioli/Haley haven't went 3-30.

Yours was the sperm that fertilized the egg.

Clearly anything is possible.

Details.

isnt that pretty much exactly what I said?

"I do not think that means what you think it means."

No.

You are trying to shift blame for the failures of Pioli/Haley in finding talent outside of the "tree" away from Pioli/haley.

CC is essentially telling you that is bull.

And he's right.

Oh boy :shake:

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That's what I've been sayin'... the sooner we can get the next regime in here the sooner we can start picking them apart, finding every flaw in their system/personality/work history, and endlessly bitch about them.

The Pioli/Haley bitchfest is so week 3...

Exactly.

Let's look at the trend here.....

Glenn Dorsey was a bust by week 10 of his rookie season

Tyson Jackson was a bust by the 4th game of his rookie season

Pioli after 1 offseason and 1 draft is already a failure as a GM

less than half a season into his rookie head coaching season Haley is a bust as a head coach

Albert, after a stellar rookie season already needs to be moved to another position because he's not a "natural left tackle"

If some people from CP were running the team we'd be changing coaches 4 times a year, cutting rookies and vets who had gone two games without "dominating".

We'd cut the GM if it became obvious that a certain point on the team was weak, even though there wasn't REALLY anyone available the previous offseason to upgrade it. Then they'd blame him for not finding gems all throughout the draft because you know, CP posters are pro scouts in REAL LIFE and can tell you who would have dominated as a rook.

Then we'd fire everyone, start all over again, and in 4 or 5 weeks it'd be a rinse and repeat.

Give him time for Christ sakes

I don't agree with you on most things, but you nailed this one.

I don't know why, I'm right more times than not. ;)

The turd has not even cleared the toilet yet at least wait for it to flush.

here is what I actually said though, maybe it was taken wrong...I will try to be more clear in future posts.


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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins View Post
It has nothing to do with the W's and L's. The problem stems from the myopic dipshittery of the regime, thinking that because players came from NE, Miami, Dallas, or Az that they are the only worthwhile NFL players. Compound that with the belief that the 3-4 is the only defense to run, and you have rampant one who sucks the penisy and ineffectiveness which belies itself in the weekly performance.

BossChief:

I agree 100%

BUT

take into consideration that Pioli is working off information by HERMS SCOUTS.

The only players he knows and trusts the scouting on are the ones he had a "hands on" process with. I understand Dimitroff handled this mostly, but man Pioli is basicallly alone right now as far as talent goes. Not saying Im giving him a pass because the players he did bring in were of the fail to the tenth power, just sayin...

During the time when getting the lackadaisical, lazy loser mentality out of the teams brain, it isnt a complete fail to bring in players that are used to being around winning.

I have given them a leash in this situation that may be a little longer than I gave in past ones because of the total fail they were willing to take over and hopefully transform into a winning franchise and their records in doing so are there for all to see.

If we are still a team getting blown out by middle of the pack teams like the Chargers during the first quarter of next year, I will open the floodgates...but I didnt really expect too much progress up to this point because of what they were given.

That fair?



If that is that far off base, we will hjust have to agree to disagree.

That is what discussion boards are for I guess. Would be hella boring if everyone agreed with everything.

Don't worry about it. It's the first year for both Pioli and Haley and they have a roster devoid of talent, It's only natural to get players you're familiar with. This will become less as they acquire more talent. Besides, waiver wire pickups are at best back ups and special teams players, You're not gonna find a superbowl mvp here.

There's a lot of merit to what you're saying here.

However, the thing that pisses me off, and that can not be defended, IMO, is the total lack of of trying to upgrade this roster with any players outside of players that have a former association with the braintrust.

I get that every new regime likes to bring in guys they are familiar with, but have never seen any that have gone almost exclusively with those players.

I'm not exactly sure of the number anymore, with the additions made in the last couple of weeks, but it has to be something like 19 of 20 players added to this roster with previous NFL experience that have been associated with Parcells, Pioli or Haley.

That is ludicrous.

agree. good post.

Why do you want a new regime again? Do you want to win only 3 games every year? Every new regime wants "our kind of players" or "the right 53" whatever you wanna call it. When they first come in they're gonna weed out the that don't fit their system. It happens all the time. If you change again, the new regime will start again at square 1 to get "our kind of players".

I hear you MM, but my take is this.

We'll see another big roster purge this offseason and a real run at players in FA and some more trading before the draft to load up on picks. I think for right now Pioli is simply keeping bodies on the roster that he is familiar with for comfort reasons only. I don't think in any way shape or form they will continue this after this season.

This team is probably shorter on talent than any team in the league. I think this season is nothing more than a throw away while Haley learns some HC ropes and Pioli does more scouting (I remember hearing a while back he himself was already out visiting and scouting college players). It's very possible that this team won't even be very competitive next season as well. When you've had 20+ years of crappy GM duties and bad drafting it's not an easy fix. I think personally, the Vermiel years were FAR worse from a drafting standpoint than the Herm years and IMO Vermiel set this franchise back more than anyone from a drafting standpoint. Or at least, he and Carl did during the years Vermiel was the HC.

What you said is essentially that Pioli/Haley are being given a pass in talent evaluation because they didn't have their guys in place.

That's bull.

Scouts gather info.

Even with the old staff, it is Pioli's responsibility to communicate to those guys what they are looking for and sift through the info provided.

Even with the old staff, he should have been able to make sound decisions.

And he did have his staff in place through the preseason whne they were looking at players on the bubble, and he still only brought in the "tree" players.

That's inexcusable.

We agree on Dick and Carl.

ROFLROFLROFL :doh!:

I agree with most of this and would add that the Hunts should shoulder some blame as well, we are 35 million or so under the cap and one of the only teams (if not the only one) to ever go under the salary floor.

that is the biggest reason we are in the basement afterall.

no talent
lots of unspent money
the guy with the wallet should shoulder some of the blame.

Goddammit....

We need a refined screening process for threads. Something like when you hit the submit button, the thread is emailed to a group of people on the site that have to vote on whether or not the thread is acceptable.
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It was sarcasm.

Actually, for at least a year I've been mentioning that we're setting ourselves up to become an incredibly impatient franchise that has no long term vision... had Carl not left, I think it would have continued, but Pioli and Haley obviously want to do things their way and have both said from day one that they're in it for the long term... and the fans who are seriously wanting change at this point can rinse the sand out of their vaginas and become Steelers fans for all I (and Pioli and Haley) care. Like Marv Levy said, the minute you start listening to fans is the minute you'll be sitting with them.

Bobby wade is'nt a "tree" player to my knowledge, is he? He was a good fringe pickup, not great but obviously better than what we had.

take into account that the previous scouts that were feeding information to him were scouting 4-3 players all year and also had a short time to prepare for a draft in which we would be targeting 3-4 players.

Spending has never had a correlation with winning. Every year the Raiders are like 50 million over the cap and every year they suck donkey balls. There is a happy medium here.

You are seriously the dumbest mother ****er ever.

You think Clark is going to shell out the remaining money for Pioli and Haley and THEN pay Cowher?

This when the guy didn't shell out any money for free agents?

Are you really this dumb?

really???

"Not saying Im giving him a pass because the players he did bring in were of the fail to the tenth power, just sayin..."

tell me this line wouldnt protect Cassel much better with:

Albert

Waters

Jason Brown (went to Stlouis in free agency, so obviously he would have came here if it was an option)

Rudy/other fa Im unaware of (or better yet, a olinemen in the third round)

Runyan...reports are that he can pass a physical but wants too much $...look we have too much money, perfect fit! hold on what? Were gonna play a bunch of backup/ scrap heap style players to protect our 63,000,000 man and open holes for our 45,000,000 rb? If Runyan isnt your man, their were a few options we didnt choose to pursue for some reason including Taucher,Levi Jones and others.

I agree that $ doesnt win championships, but it sure does but olinemen!

Bobby Wade was a member of the Bears when Haley was a member of the staff in Chicago.

Stupid moron thread. Yeah, after 6 games Hunt is going to dump Pioli and Haley.

I ask again, who out there at the start of the season looking at the schedule predicted anything better than a 1-6 start?

Stupid fans.
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Neg rep

damnit! I stand corrected, nicely played sir.

I thought I got one.

Are you telling me the only guy he brought in that wasnt connected was Goff, our worst olinemen (even though its a three way tie)?

My comment of the suck to the tenth power, just went to the 11th power.

that sucks...

Good. From you its a compliment.
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I believe that to be true, yes.

I would, but that is what he wants.

Its like a guy that is a total worthless **** that wants you to kill him so it finally ends, but you decide that letting him live would be the worst thing you could do to him.

If he ever gets a speck of green again, I will assist with the carpet bombing.

poor, worthless ****!

Peace be with you.
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Good grief. A big roster purge? As has been pointed out, they turned 60% of the roster over THIS season. If they have to do it again, that says a lot about their talent evaluation. You think our GM is making moves not for the better of the franchise, but to stay in his comfort zone? And you're OK with that? Seriously? I guess we should just expect another 5 years or more before we find the "Right 53".

And I'm so glad we got to have an entire throw away season to help out our head coach. It's nice that the Chiefs have refunded money and reduced ticket prices because it's an official "Throw away season". They reduced player and coach salaries too right? Since the season doesn't count?

I'm amazed at what Chiefs fans will justify for this franchise.... Carl Peterson created an entire fan base of martyrs.

How half you people would handle an actual emergency is heart warming for the human race as a whole.

So how many mults does Al Davis have here?

neither has pioli




just sayin'

LMAO

your and idiot

If the Chiefs finish 1-15 and aren't even competitive in the final half of the season, I could see Todd Haley getting fired. However, Pioli is not going anywhere after one season.

Hardly. You were expecting the Chiefs to go what this year? 9-7? 8-8? Pipe dreams. It's called living in reality rather than expecting pipe dreams.

Second yes, it does say a lot about the talent evaluation that had been going on here. This roster will be turned over until both Pioli and Haley feel like they have the right guys in place. If people want to continue to make fun of the "right 53" phrase go ahead, but it's the same mantra that Parcells and Belichick chant as well. And right now I don't think we have more than a handful of the "right 53" in place. So it's very possible that next season that the Chiefs could struggle again. If the offensive line gets fixed this next offseason we could take a big jump in competitiveness. But we also need linebackers, a safety or possibly two, a true nose tackle, a better blocking fullback, and possibly two more running backs.

this team is a long way from competing and anyone who expected a record even nearing .500 this year spent too much time with their head in a paint can.

I'll take this a step further. I think they only need the "right handful" of players for the rest of the 53 to fall in line. They really don't have that yet. They need positive examples in every unit to validate the notion that buying into the new chiefs vision makes them a better team. And they need to instill that to the point where the PLAYERS are policing it. Then Haley can get on with the task of exploiting oposing teams.

This 100%, unadulterated ****ing HORSESHIT.

The excuses Pioli and his shitty draft and talent evaluation just won't stop.

First off, are you declaring that Pioli didn't scout while in New England? That from August 2008 to the last bowl games in January 2009, he knew NOTHING about the available talent?

Secondly, are you declaring that Pioli didn't have 16 ****ING HOURS in order to watch all 16 Chiefs games last year?

What the ****?

It's bullshit. He had PLENTY of time to evaluate and he was scouting players while in New England.

This is just another horseshit excuse made for a man who's job was complete FAIL in 2009.

JFC.

I hope you've been neutered.

Lets give them more than 6 games before we call the draft a complete fail

Like I said Seymour was at 16 in the highest mock I could find from 2001...nobody knows how these guys are gonna turn out and some dont even want to give them a chance to.

being mad about it isnt gonna change it.