Updated draft order from GBN...
 

For those of you who were wanting to know! ;)

http://www.gbnreport.com/

(12:01 AM): Top pick on line in Monday nighter… The final weekly draft first round selection order for the opening round of the 2010 draft won’t be decided until after tonight’s Monday night game between Cleveland and Baltimore. If the Browns lose to the Ravens, Cleveland and St. Louis would be tied for the #1 overall as both teams would have the identical strength of schedule based on their opponents’ combined W-L records. In a scenario in which Cleveland loses to Baltimore, Detroit would be third in the proverbial ‘if the draft were held today’ selection order, followed by Tampa Bay, Kansas City and Oakland in the 4th, 5th and 6th spots respectively. A Cleveland win over the Ravens, though, and the Browns would drop all the way down to the 6th pick with everyone else moving up one. As usual, we’ll have the updated selection order for the 2010 draft after the tonight’s Browns-Ravens dual in Cleveland.

****ing #5 again?

Better than the 20th we picked every year in the 90's I suppose.

The good thing about CHI at 4-5 with a number of teams in that spot, depending on tiebreakers... DEN would have a pick ranging anywhere from 10-16.

We need to win one or two more games and get out of the top five. I'd much rather pick 6th then top five. If we can't get out of the top five then I'd prefer to pick 1st.

PhilFree:arrow:

We need to be picking between 5-10.

I don't think the Chiefs would ever take Berry either or 2. Now Okung can go high and the Chiefs can just sit back and let Berry or Mays fall to them.

You mean back in the day when we won games?

1 more victory and we will easily be down to 5-10

In the regular season only.

Not slamming you, but where, in your opinion, do you think that next win is?

Cleveland

We actually have a good shot at beating the Browns and the Bills.

Cleveland, with a possibility of getting a win against Buffalo or Denver. Buffalo and Denver are unlikely wins but certainly possible.

We may have a lot of tough teams on our schedule, but we were also blessed with Washington, Oakland x2, Beefalo, and Cleveland.

My God we suck.

Im never really concerned about this kind of stuff on where the Chiefs pick.

I just care about picking the right guy. It really doesn't matter where we pick as long as they take the right guy that'll make them a better football team.

Drafting high, is nothing but a crapshoot. Its overrated imo. I also hope the Chiefs can draft well overall this year because thats where this franchise has struggled over the years. Thats why they're so set back due to them bombing drafts. Give me a good overall draft. Im more concerned about that then picking in the top 5 or 10.

I have said the Chiefs will pick closer to 10th.... with as bad as many teams are this year.... I think that is still likely.

Chiefs should win against the Browns. And, have a good chance against Denver and the Bills.

heres how I see it
Cle 2-14
Oak 2-14
Det 3-13
Sea 3-13
Stl 3-13
KC 4-12
TB 4-12
Buff 4-12
WAs 4-12

That puts us somewhere between #6-#9
prime Berry or Tradedown territory

1. Cleveland
2. Detroit
3. Oakland
4. Tampa Bay
5. St. Louis
6. Kansas City

Graph 1 is the best estimate of where we will draft as of right now. It makes no assumptions about which games we might win or lose from here on out. Graph 2 is the distribution of where we would draft if we beat Cleveland, but lost all the rest of our games (3-13). Graph 3 is the distribution of where we would draft if we beat both Cleveland and Buffalo, but lost all of our remaining games (4-12). Very unlikely we'll be drafting later than 9th.

So if we win only one more game, we are still probably drafting in the top 5. If we win 2 more games, we'll probably draft in the 4 to 8 range. If we lose the rest of our games we'll most likely be in the top 2 picks. To get out of the top 10, we need 3 more victories.

The one nice thing about drafting early is not necessarily the first round. It is where it puts you in all subsequent rounds also.

Exactly. If we go 4-12, and pick first in the first round among those at 4-12, we slide to the back of the line for round 2.

I want an early round 2 pick, as its basically a late first. There are usually 5-7 guys who are projected first rounders that slip, and I want the guy/s that best fit us out of them. Obviously.

Again, I can't seem to get of Jordan Shipley's nuts. Anyone object to taking him with our first second round pick if he's there?

-1. Safety (Teric Bays or Eaylor Merry)
-2a. Shipley? (WR)
-2b. OLine
-3a. NT
-3b. (do we have 2 thirds? I know it's either two thirds or two fourths. if so): Oline
4-7 Oline, a power runningback, Linebacker.

eh?

Which is why you clicked on the link right? :thumb:

right now our gonzo pick is sitting at #56


hopefully that will bump up a bit and we get 3 picks in the first 50

Raises hand.

Seconds that!

Fair and Fair - but please explain why!

Why i like him with that pick:
1. Solid hands.
2. Fast as ****.
3. Great route runner.
4. Potential kick returner.
5. Solid slot WR, and eventual number 2 behind DBowe.

So, is it that you think its too early for him to go? If so, when - if - we select him, where would you prefer it be? Or is it solely based on the fact that he's from UT and they don't transfer well to the NFL? What if he performs well in the combine also? Who would you prefer instead at WR- in the range that he is projected? That is to say, Dez will be gone long before we would consider Ship.

Just curious. And thanks.

I can not speak for Milkman, but for me, this draft should be all about defense early as it is a strong defensive draft. Then O-line like a big dog later. Add the receiver next year when there could be some very good WR's available.

I'm not against taking Mardy Gilyard or Golden Tate (if he comes out) in rounds 2-3.

If Bowe, Chambers, and Long continue to progress as the season goes forth, WR may not be a big need anymore. Same with Charles at RB. Defense and O-line should be high priority IMHO.

i hope we get a lb with our 2nd

kindle
norwood
spikes
mclain


imagine ILB with our first 2nd and Norwood with our second 2nd, berry or mays in the first....

There's your answer.

Lance Long shouldn't keep this franchise from drafting a WR if he's the BPA.

Gilyard is a dual-threat because he can be a #2 opposite Bowe....and he can also return kicks/punts. Same thing goes for Tate.

Chambers isn't getting any younger and he really isn't going to be a factor for this team for the future. We need to come out of the first three rounds with playmakers and immediate starters.....especially at the OLB position and safety position.

It'd be nice but I don't see Mclain or Spikes making it out of the 1st round.

IIRC, there should be 3 or 4 real stud WR able to come out in 2011.

could be, i was basing it on GBN's current top 100 ranking...I think spikes will slip with some injury concerns....

Not only that, but I would much, much rather take the top Guard or Center off the board than take a second-tier ILB prospect. Regardless of how far one of them falls.

Second-tier? What the **** are you smoking?

i'd take McClain over any interior lineman at that point, he is a stud

I usually agree that you take BPA around rounds 2 and 3. But I'll agree with Coogs on this one. Unless you have a lights out prospect that is hands down better than anyone on the board, I don't think you can justify taking a receiver here. The Chiefs can skate by with their current receiver corps and I frankly think the position is pretty overrated unless you have a complete freak playing there.

From a positional value standpoint, in the 2nd round, we're now comparing WRs who weren't considered good enough for the first round to Guards/Centers/RBs who are closer to the top of their class.

I'd agree with the exception of Kris O'Dowd.

He might be. It's just that in a 3-4, I don't place very much value at all in ILBs. For as below average as Mays and Demorrio Williams are, I feel like you could build around them in the short-term with vast improvements at both Safety positions and Nose Tackle. And given that ILBs in a 3-4 tend to be role positions instead of playmaker positions, I think it's also quite possible to upgrade that position significantly later in the draft.

i'm honestly not that familiar with OL, i'm just a fanboy for McClain and Norwood...

we could easily, and should imo, get 3 defensive starters with our first 3 picks....

i hear you, but i think our lbs and safety's are bigger problem than NT right now...just imo

and i think McClain is a total monster, but i also understand we need a olb pass rusher more....

I think the NT is one of the bigger problems on this defense. Our OLBs aren't doing terrible with the rush, but because Edwards isn't getting any push, the QB has a huge pocket to dodge any kind of pressure. Watch how many times QBs escape pressure. And if the NT does his job, the LBs don't have to worry about getting absorbed in blocks.

I think the Safety is definitely an urgency position. But the NT will make the LBs a LOT better. But granted, I don't know much about McClain and in the 2nd round, if a player is easily the BPA, then you don't pass on him.

If you think we can build around Mays and DeMorrio, then I don't think you are qualified to even comment on Pee Wee football.

The way I worded that was misleading.

I'm obviously not in support of building around Mays and Demorrio as if they were the centerpiece of the defense.

What I'm saying is that I would build with the OLBs, NTs, and Safeties as Centerpieces first, then worry about the ILBs later. I meant more from a "they aren't good, but we can work around them for now" standpoint.

You can grab Dan Williams in the 4th-5th round to play NT.

first ... i never said we would win another one.

secondly, we have a legitimate chance at winning Denver,Buffalo and Cleveland all at home.


Denver is having a rough time ... Buffalo and Cleveland aren't very good either.

I agree that we do need to go strong in this draft on D.

However, I think we have to look at who's available when we pick.

I still want Berry/Mays in the first, Selvie/Hughes with the first of our two seconds, and if Kris O'Dowd is there with the Atlanta pick, I just don't think we should pass on him.

In the third, I'd look at Mardy Gilyard, who I think brings the same things to the table as Shiply, but at that spot is a better value.

But at the same time, if Jason Fox is there, I couldn't justify passing him to take Gilyard, who I like a lot.

In the fourth, Dan Williams.

It appears we are on much the same page.

Hell no. It's just a big contract to a unknown commodity.

First off why the **** does any of us care what the draft picks are paid. None of us is Clark Hunt so it don't matter. That being said if you are the top of the draft grap the elite talent, you need it to win in the NFL. 2 or 3 years in the top 5 isn't a bad thing if you hit on them.

The one big way it does affect you is that it takes away all trade value. I'm happy that Dorsey worked out for us, but he would've also been much easier to trade if he had a much more manageable cap dollar in a year where where, in a 3-4, he wasn't nearly as valuable as he was in a 4-3.

http://www.gbnreport.com/weeklydraftorder.html

Our selections as of this week would be...

5th in Round 1

6th in Round 2
18th in Round 2 from Atlanta

5th in Round 3

6th in Round 4

5th in Round 5
11th in Round 5 from Carolina
15th in Round 5 from Miami

3 in the top 50 & 5 in the top 100.

I would be happy with....

1. Eric Berry - S
2. Jerry Hughes - OLB
2. Kris O'Dowd - OC
3. Jason Fox - OT
4. Dan Williams, NT

It honestly would be a toss-up in the 3rd if Fox and Gilyard are there. They both would be pretty much immediate starters on this team. Fox at RT and Gilyard as the slot receiver and punt/kick returner. You can't go wrong with either one.

As I said in an earlier post, we appear to be on much the same page.

If Fox is there in the third, looking ahead to the '11 draft (assuming there is one), I'd take him over Gilyard with the top notch WR talent coming out in '11.

True....especially if we have a shot at grabbing Golden Tate. That kid is a playmaker....and I'm not just saying that because I'm an Irish homer.

Oh shit, I knew I didn't like you.

:p

:D Ehhh....I'm not as bad as the usual die-hard Irish fans.....honest.

Surrrre, that's what they all say.

Do they all say that they wish Charlie Weis would get ****ing shit-canned?

Only the smart ones.

Well....I at least have that going for me......which is good.

Wrap this up and put a bow on it!
Hughes is a monster
Bookends at OT, Huge up grade at C
Dan Williams is highly underated and Tenn. has a great tradition for DT

Don't know if anyone will see this since this thread is old, but I thought this fit here. NflDraftCountdown has a Hot List of Draft Risers and Draft Fallers. Here is #1 on that risers list...

http://www.draftcountdown.com/featur...t/Hot-List.php

1. Dan Williams, DT, Tennessee
Going into his senior season Dan Williams carried a solid draftable grade but he was overshadowed by some other defensive tackles with higher profiles and more headlines. However, based on the way Williams is playing this year he will have the last laugh on Draft Day. Williams has very good size at 6’3 and 327 pounds and he has shown the ability to both stuff the run and get penetration. A stalwart on the Volunteers defense, Williams has really taken to Monte Kiffin’s scheme and as a result his draft stock is soaring. Last week against Ole Miss, Williams seemed to be involved in every play around the line of scrimmage, racking up 9 tackles including 2 for losses. For some reason Williams still isn’t getting a lot of attention nationally but pro scouts have definitely taken notice of his play. After entering the year as a mid-round possibility Williams is now considered to be one of the top senior prospects at his position and he has put himself in contention to be a second or third round pick next April.

not a good thing for us ... just as soon have him go unnoticed completely so he falls.

Yeah, NFL scouts aren't going to notice him unless a blogger writes about him.

So right now we'd be picking 5th. I'd like for us to pick 1st or out of the top five where we might be able to trade down and get more picks in this years draft or next years draft. Also as I'm studying this draft and the Chiefs I have to really wonder if we wouldn't be better off trading Dorsey and drafting Suh. That would be if we can't trade down. I'm not down on Dorsey either I'm just looking at what would make our 3-4 D the best it can be. We could use the compensation for Dorsey to draft a NT, OT or an OLB/DE. If we traded Dorsey and Tarded down we could possibly have have 5 first day picks.

PhilFree:arrow:

If we're picking 1st overall.....we're not trading down. No one in their right mind is going to trade up to the #1 pick.

Trading Dorsey would be monumentally stupid. The kid stepped into a position he has no business playing....and he's improving. Keep him there and use our 1st round pick to fill other needs.

If we drafted another 3-4 DE in the 1st round.....I'd go on a killing spree.

whatever smartass ... i was referring to the concept of Williams becoming a rising Draftee.

As long as he doesn't rise higher than a 3rd round pick.....I'm fine. I'd have no problem using a 3rd round pick on our NT.

Except we already had a Dan Williams in our D-line. Not great memories of it. ;)

I never said we would trade the 1st overall if that's where we end up. If we can get out of the top 5 though we may be able to find a trade partner. Now Dorsey has improved and is doing an alright job. But what if Suh can be dominate? That'd be better wouldn't it? I'm not stuck on the idea though it's more like I'm looking at different options.

PhilFree:arrow: