Bill Maas: Cassel = Grbac
 

Said it today on 610. Said that Cassel is not a "general" on the field; not a leader of men. Maas said while he's tall and has a strong arm (looks the part), he doesn't have the personality or mental makeup to be a leader or a great qb. His only hope is to be surrounded by talent and not get in the way of that talent. Grbac. :(

Let's just hope he doesn't become a mouth-breathing reerun at some point

Strong arm, lol

My impression is exactly the opposite. He has the potential for leadership but doesn't have the skills to back it up.

Doesn't have the personality or mental makeup to be a leader? I disagree. I don't care what Bill Maas thinks.

I'm not feeling that GIANT ****ING DOUCHEBAG thing that Grbac radiated from Cassel. :shrug:

I agree.

Wow. Dumbest thing Maas has ever said.

Maas is an idiot too.

I have a much easier time agreeing with this one. :D

or grow a beard to extend a win streak. now that the "centaur" is gone, i don't want to hear mitch h. gushing on cassel growing a beard like he did with grbac. that was gayer than grbac's beard.

Are Maas and Whitlock friends?

ROFL

Maas certainly knows a thing or two about having enough weapons, particularly at airports.

Yeah. Maybe that's relative to his predecessors, Trent & Thiggy.

Cassel's probably a step above Grbac. But Cassel has made a ton of stupid plays this season.

Let's say Maas is right. I thought the entire reason Pioli brought in Cassel was because he ate toughness for breakfast and shat out 20 pounds of leadership every day before going to work. That he was going to be a Tom Brady-type QB with a power, accurate arm and a gritty toughness and smarts to make big plays when necessary.

HUGE ****ing botch on Pioli's part. He's been around that player for 3 years and he STILL midjudges him.

Gotta' agree. That comparison is so far off the mark it isn't even funny.

Grbac had an arm.

Maas has been saying this since the NY Giants game.

I think Cassel's gonna' be timid, shredded beef by the time KC has a line that can perform at even 1/2 effectiveness of our old "all-star" line.

I said this before Cassel isn't mentally/emotionally equipped for the job a franchise QB he gets rattled too easily and is a hot head. Most great QBs have a naturally calm personality, and Cassel has admitted he doesn't possess that trait.

Where was the KC media in February when Pioli made the dumbest trade of his tenure?

Maas is usually pretty good, but he's forcing it here. All signs I've seen point to Cassel being much more level-headed and generally self-confident than Grbac. Grbac was a weekly distraction. Coaches and other players were always having to talk him up. "I can't throw the ball and catch it, too" is something you would never, ever hear Cassel say.

I just hope he can admit he was wrong next year when Cassel falls on his face with new toys to play with.

Maas was probably still in prison.

You say some really ****ing dumb things but this takes the cake.

My old man, before the season started, said he didn't understand why they brought Cassel in the first place.
He watches football but he doesn't get deep in to it like I do, spending a lot of time at message boards and the like.
So he says, "I thought that guy they had was pretty good". And of course I said "Thigpen"?!
He says "no, the other guy". And I said "Brodie"?! And he says "yeah; he has a pretty good arm and was playing pretty well against New England before he got hurt".

So I proceeded to explain to him Brodie's history of injury and how he wasn't a reliable option, and that Cassel gave us the best chance of the three to win some games, but in the end my old man wasn't swayed.

I'm thinking I should call my old man and apologize to him.:)

The only way Croyle sees the field is if Cassel gets hurt. No way does Pioli allow Haley to sub Croyle in. Heck the one game they put Guitteraz in to avoid it.

I think he was talking about Jay Cutler... I hope.

Well it's neither here nor there to me. I have no investment in Croyle, emotional or otherwise.
I just kind of wonder, after Baltimore, if he really belongs in purgatory with the Chiefs.

And to your interest, I caught some of the Lions/Vikings game on Sunday. Stafford is starting to show some flashes with that team now. I think he's going to be more than fine in a few years. That kid's got some Elway in him, and it's starting to show up. Beautiful play and pass in to the end zone from the 20 to the other receiver/not CJ.

And he was taking some pops too from that Minnesota defense!

and your opinion changes so much it's like you make a choice by targeting a bucket with certain names of players or views to jockey then you proceed to aim at said bucket to piss in for distance and the bucket you hit with the player or opinion in mind gets the go ahead to be the ultimate truth passed down from God then Larry Johnson then to you to save us all as gospel.

I watched the entire game. Stafford looked like a young rookie QB with some promise. His receiver did not help him at all. The drops are horrendous on that team. He will be good one day. I prefered him over Sanchez in the draft, we'll see how they turn up.

Deflect, deflect, deflect.

Matt Cassel is in no way a hothead.

Dumbest ****ing thing you've ever said.

On July 6, 2007, Maas was arrested for drug and weapons possession after a traffic stop in East Peoria, Illinois. He was released from jail two days later.[1]

On September 5, 2007, Maas was questioned and released following an incident at Kansas City International Airport in which authorities reportedly found a loaded 9mm Glock in a bag brought by the former football player to the airport before attempting to board a plane. The gun was confiscated at a screening station and Maas was taken to the airport police station for questioning, at which point he claimed to have picked up the wrong bag before coming to the airport. The incident is still under investigation. [2]

I think Stafford will develop in to a bonafide NFL "Golden Arm" in the vein of Elway and Montana, while I see Sanchez as being a new breed of "Warrior QB".
Both will have the ability to put the team on their backs and carry them, albeit in different fashions.

I've taken an honest, introspective look at Cassel in terms of, "Am I being disingenuous with him"? "Am I not giving this guy a chance"? "Is everything he does going to be a FAIL in my eyes"?
I honestly do not feel, think, or believe that I am wrong in my view of this guy. And it's not like I relish the thought of getting another two to three years behind the curve in terms of bringing another QB in, but this team has been so devoid of a true leader in that capacity for so long, that the thought of half-assing it again under new management is MUCH more repulsive.
This franchise NEEDS the "It" guy at that position. Some kid who packs the talent, walks the swagger, carry's the big stick, and pops the competition in the ****ing mouth with it even as a rookie, though not as often as he will as he matures under the franchise.

Whoever that kid may be, we need him.

And your point is?

Did you see him push Albert when he was sacked during the Cowboys game, or yell at the sidelines when a play didn't go his way.

Totally wrong comparison. Grbac never worried about team building.

Cassel is well liked. He works at the game. Just look at when Savage put the ball on the ground. That is what a leader/teamate does.

Cassel has the second most drops in the NFL. If there were only half as many drops, his completion percentage would be over 60%.

There have been times that I am dissapointed with Cassel. But, it is his third offense in less than a year. I am going to give him at least another year.

Yeah, because Peyton Manning sucks balls.... or don't you ever see him yell?

Only a few of the greats have tempers on the field, because if one loses their cool that temper will lose the game.

Plus, Cassel is not Peyton Manning and hasn't earned that respect to yell and berate his teammates.

You have to wonder if Haley's approach just isn't getting the most out of Cassel. In Arizona, his QB probably had a longer rope because he was a former MVP and Super Bowl winner, having one of the finest seasons of his career. He's got pedigree. Maybe Haley's been telling Cassel the same thing that many on the Planet have been saying: 'You're nothing without Belichick, you were a product of the system, and you lack the strong, defined jaw-line of Tom Brady to make the ladies of KC go weak at the knees'.

Now I understand there are coaches who are shouters, and they've got great results, but would it seem to me to be counterintuitive to have your QB more scared of the coach flipping shit for calling a time out (When Haley's game-management has been suspect at BEST) than he is of getting pummeled by the defence (And with the line Cassel's had, it's happening sooner rather than later on almost every snap).

Shouting doesn't equal coaching. Haley's gonna have to realize that before he becomes a far less successful Tom Coughlin. Maybe his legacy willl be 'he taught Jamaal Charles how to hold the football' but that would actually require more than just overt threats on Charles' life and excessive f-bombs.

And Maas would know this how?

They eat together it looks like

You have not given an honest look. I have never heard you say one thing that has been even remotely positive about the kid. Not a single time. That's why I don't take any stock in tribal warfare's or your opinion when it comes to Cassel. Everybody's going to pick a side, but credibility comes from being realistic to know that nobody is full of fail and nobody is full of perfection.

Cassel is an average to above game manager, and nothing more the guy won't kill your offense, but he doesn't have what it takes to be an upper echelon QB.

Well there you have it. The word of Bill Maas is like gold.

There, that's better. I don't disagree with that as of now.

It's hilarious how some of you want a softer team.

I'm on your side in the Cassel debate, but quite frankly, you are one clueless bastard.

Not sure who should be offended by the comparison -- Grbac or Cassel.

We are stuck wtih Cassel for a while longer. Better get a better offensive plan and surrond him with lots of talent if this team is going to be effective. Cassel should have had a field day against the Raiders...and didn't.

I'm not Cassel's biggest fan so far and think his accuracy sucks. I also don't think he's got as much arm as Grlllbac.

One difference Mass overlooked, Grbac wouldn't play with a sore pinky, Cassel was back in a couple of weeks from an MCL. From the beating he's taken from the lack of Oline(Grbac had a solid Line) I'd say his attitude seems alright. I wish his accuracy, timing were better and he'd get rid of the ball faster.

Same here.

It's not proof positive of leadership ability, but there's no way Elvis Grbac would have been working on Savage's psyche on the sideline after his fumble like Cassel was.

It's a shame Croyle is so brittle.

Like Rivers or Favre? I'd take either one of those over El-I-have-no-pulse-Manning

No, lovers.

I've always felt this "QB leadership" thing was vastly overrated. He's got a job to do, we just need him to be a very good quarterback and make good decisions out there.

If a team is playing around a good quarterback who can help them win games, I believe they will bust their ass to protect him even if he has all the personality and leadership skills of a limp dishrag. To me, this is no different then asking that the Fullback or the Center be a great leader. Why?

On Sunday, I saw a leader go over and give his teammate a pep talk after being vocally raped by the Mad Hatta. That is a leader. Perhaps he's not getting credit for leading because his role has been clean up for Haley's verbal diarrhea and not actually able to step up and be a positive force in the locker room or on the field.

Leadership is a far more important trait for a QB than you believe.

Sure, when you have the parts in place to be a good team, then yeah, they are going to block, catch, do all the things that good teams to do to win games.

But when things aren't working, then the QB is the guy that evertyone looks to for leadership, the guy they rely on to find a way to overcome whatever difficulties they may be experiencing.

It's why guys like Montana, Elway, Bradshaw, Staubaugh etc...are HoFers and mutiple SB champions.


If the Ravens had a talented leader in this decade, they would have multiple SBs.

The Chiefs were almost lead to the SB by Montana, even though his skills were diminished by the time Carl traded for him, and in spite of Marty, because of his leadership.

Please, just shut the **** up. you stupid bitch.

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Posts like this GUARANTEE that I won't. Thanks for the inspiration! :p:LOL::p:ROFL

I guess stupid bitches are easily inspired.

I guess petty pansies are easily irritated.

I don't get that comparison at all.

Irritated?

I just feel compelled to call you a stupid bitch.

I call it observational honesty.

Especially after 10 weeks How long did we spend trying to stomach the illusion that Grbackup was the savior Peterson promised?

Yes I have, and piss on you.

I heard this yesterday as well. Not sure what to think at this early stage, but i would like to think Maas is wrong.

Last week on the same radio program, Maas was letting Haley have it pretty good. I don't remember exactly what was said, but it wasn't good. Granted that may be justified, but i thought it was worth mentioning when coupled with what Maas said this week.

Who gives a **** what Mass thinks?...

This...

Who gives a shit what some washed up has been on a radio show says. Dear lord. It's his job to say things like this. Sometimes I think the people around here were born yesterday.

I thought Maas was a premium subscriber at WPI...you shouldnt be talking about your clientele like that

I am not totally sold on Cassel yet, but I agree with this. Just this last game, you could see him over talking to, and consoling players after they ****ed up. Grbac would have never done that.

I'm with you.

I'm not sold on Cassel's talent, but I do believe he's a solid guy in the huddle and around the team.

Doesn't have what it takes to be a great NFL QB? "Great" NFL QBs come around a few times a decade. You'll be throwing out plenty of QB's if your standard is great/not great. These days you're doing well if you can just get a serviceable NFL QB that can stay on the field. As far as "his only hope is to be surrounded by talent"- ok, just like any other NFL QB. No matter what QB it is, he still needs to be surrounded by talent. What, can you find a QB and say, "Well, we're all set on offense. We've got a great QB. Let's surround him with horse-crap, because this guy doesn't need any talent around him. Let's spend the next 8 years drafting all defensive players."

Give me a franchise QB and a top 5 defense, and I'll take my chances with the rest of the league.

Now, clearly you can't have crap talent on offense surrounding that QB, but solid role players on offense can win a SB in that scenario.

See Tom Brady.

Well, he's right about that.

He doesn't have a line, consistent play from his WR's, or playcalling worth a ****...

More than anything else, the one single play from the Grbac era that screams no leadership was the play at the end of the playoff game against Denver. One play to keep the game winning drive going. The one where the headset in his helmet malfunctioned, and he went into full meltdown right there in front of a national TV audience. Pissed right down his leg while slapping the side of his helmet indicating he couldn't hear the coaches call. I still can not see a franchise QB doing that. A Manning, Brady, Favre, Montana, or any other QB would have know what to do in that situation instead of peeing down his leg like Grbac did.

Cassel... I see him being able to make a call and run the correct play under those circumstances without having someone make it for him. Weather or not he could make the play work? :shrug: But he did look better last week than any other game this season. Can he continue to build on that this week against a tougher Steeler defense? If so, then I think maybe he could be a franchise QB. If we take a couple of steps backwards this week, then I would still have to question if he is the correct choice to lead us into the future.

Yeah, and Tom Bradys come around almost never. That was one of my points. If you're sitting around waiting for a Brady or a Manning, you'll be waiting a long time. Even with those guys they still try and surround them with as much talent as possible on offense.

Non sequitur theater here, posting this here simply because somehow this reminded me of it, but did anyone catch the Rams game? They have a receiver Avery who made two of the sickest catches for TDs I've seen a player on a shitty team make. Hadn't paid much attention to the home town team, but that guy is showing some promise.

You said it doesn't matter who the QB is.

I refuted that statement.

I really liked Donnie Avery coming out of school, but I never expectd him to be drafted as high as he was.

This is why no one is employing Maas anymore...

Yeah, but is Matt Cassel this sexy? I mean come on! Matt can't compare!

http://blogs.pitch.com/plog/sexyelvisgrbac.jpg

It sounded more like you were saying something very similar when you said: