White is Right?
 

I have thought about this topic often and see the discussions come and go. Why are an overwhelming majority of NFL QB's white? There is no other sport that I can think of where a single position is dominated by a certain race. I understand that individual sports are saturated with certain races but I think QB in the NFL is unique. You don't see Asians overpopulating the pitchers mound in the MLB or Hispanics holding down the power forward position in the NBA, so why Caucasians and the QB position?

Is it ideological, i.e. "Owners want white QB's to rep the franchise, White QB's usually come from a rich neighborhood and had a better opportunity to learn how to lead" etc.

or

Biological? "White guys have an extra tendon in their throwing arm, Black players are naturally faster so they run more than throw which leaves them at a disadvantage" or some crazy stuff like that.

What do you think?

Have another beer on me! :thumb:

Maz

I'd rep you just for the guts it took to start this thread,but I'm on my mobile....I'd never be able to explain my opinion on the matter without being flamed and labeled a racist,so I will simply say that its the only position left for slow white guys that can throw a ball.
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I'd be inclined to say that, right now anyway, more white guys fit the bill than black guys. But I don't think it has anything to do with race. Maybe it's a preference from when they were kids. The Black guys wanted to be running backs and recievers, and the white guys wanted to be quarterbacks...

...hell I don't know. But it's obvious that race can't play a role on the talent side per se. Warren Moon was a darn good QB, for instance.

Here's the bigger question...

...when's the last time you EVER saw a black kicker? Roby? I think that's the only one in the history of the world...

...'sup with THAT??

Maybe you've never seen the ethnic diversity of the CB position in the NFL.
Maybe that position is dominated by black people because they're better than everyone else at else at it.

It may not be a race thing. Most QB's are 6"2" or taller, maybe 220lbs. Growing up, if you learned how to dribble and love basketball more than football wouldn't you lean towards the sport you love better?

I tell you what I've seen in person and thats in baseball. But, its not a black or white thing. It's a middle class, poor thing. Playing little league baseball in the summer at one of the top levels costs $7,000 - $10,000 a summer per team. If your family doesn't have the money, or find a team with a sponsor, your kid plays recreational baseball.

Working at a high school, I see this all the time. Our entire baseball team, except for a few notable exceptions (naturally gifted athletes) consists of kids from traveling squads who have affluent families that can shell out the bucks for them to be on a traveling squad. No one else even tries out for the team once they get to the high school level. We've also won like 5 state championships in a row.

Yeah, I tried fighting against it, by not traveling for tournaments farther than we could drive in a half a day, got sponsors to help keep done the costs. Preached learning fundamentals and sportsmanship. If a parent didn't have the money to pay their share of the team funds, I payed it. But, in doing those things I was never able to atract the best talent in KC because we didn't travel to Texas, Florida etc for tournaments. And we would be a top 5 ranked team in the state almost every year. To use a college analogy....I could get the 3-4 star recruits but not the 5 star ones.

You'll probably need to wait until Mic comes here to explain it.

That's what I'm going to do.

Why?


I believe a more compelling thought was the fact that the NFL is largely African American and the "most important" player on most NFL teams is white.

I have to admit that the kicker thing through me off... Where are all the black kickers?

Kicking is a position of affluence that involves lots and lots of time at kicking camps. A better question is where are all the Hispanic kickers. There was a bit of hype for a while that we were going to start getting lots of hispanic crossovers from soccer to football, but it hasn't really played out. The Razorbacks do have a hispanic kicker (Alex Tejada), but it's still not that common.

Jason Seahorn with the Giants was a very good corner that happened to be white...I can not remember many recently.

Are there more black QB's than white RB's?

Where are all the black hockey players?

You are not getting me! I'm looking for the converse. The NFL is mostly black, so it is not surprising that there are more black players at any given position... EXCEPT QB. Jeez, wish you guys would read before you post sometimes.

Right!!!!Everyone knows you can't put spinners on ice skates.
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I agree with BRC.

I think money has a large role in today's youth sports. Lots of parents will spend thousands a year on one-on-one trainers and camps and clinics. Child X has his own personal trainer for 2 years and Y doesn't. Even if Y has a good arm, child X has more experience and reps even in the 4th and 5th grade and will get the nod. It's kind of sad.

There are a lot of black soccer players though that could IMO easily be transformed into kickers.

Why aren't there any Asian quarterbacks?

Also, around here at least, high schools are going to more and more complex spread type offenses. QBs are often groomed from about 7th grade in a system to get them ready for high school. The kid who gets the summer camps (around here, often run by the high school) is going to have an advantage on understanding and running the offense over kids who don't.

Well, clearly, white people are smarter.

I would love to leave it at that, but I am afraid it would be taken seriously.

I think we would all agree that black people are typically more athletic than the majority of white people. As such, the ones who play QB are often asked to run more of an option oriented attack, and at the very least, are encouraged to run when all else fails.

White QB's are encouraged to stand in the pocket and look downfield because they won't get very far running the ball.

But, when the NFL drafts a QB, they look for a guy who will stand tall in the pocket and deliver the ball downfield.

I also think that it starts young in pee wee football.... and coaches on that level have very little clue of what they are doing.... so they emulate the NFL teams, or the college teams.... and they try to do what they do. If they have a tall white kid that can throw the ball pretty good.... they feel like they have a QB.

It is an interesting discussion, but it is good to see more and more black QB's in the NFL.

I don't know. Why don't you ask Rush Limbaugh?

Honestly... height, more than anything.

Good question - I bet they could instantly calculate the proper trajectory and speed of a fade to the back corner of the end zone.

Sure you can, it's called figure skating.

Heh, when that happens, expect this thread to hit 200 plus.

Or have you seen any Black swimmers?

To be honest in my life and what I've seen, I've never met a black person who can swim well. I used to have an in-ground pool in my backyard at my parent's house growing up and I would have our HS basketball team come over and party. None of the black guys would leave the shallow end. ROFL

And, according to Reggie White, they could take off their helmet, and rework the helmet speaker into a rocket football launcher.

Maybe it's just not a position of interest. It's not flashy, although it's very important. I find it hard to believe that leg strength and accuracy are something that only white people have, so I'd guess it's just not a "sexy" thing to do. If you have athletic ability, then why be a kicker?

There are a lot of black soccer players, so it does seem weird that there are not more black kickers in any level of football. I've never seen one in PeeWee, High School or College, much less the pros.

That's a good point too. It seems there are just certain sports that black people for whatever reason seem to stay away from.

timmy chang!

I really think it has a lot to do with the socioeconomic status of the person growing up.

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Maybe it just has to do with kids idolizing certain players, and wanting to play that position. I don't think it has to do with race, more so if your a white kid growing up, the only real glamor position that you see white guys at is either linebacker, or quarterback. So maybe you grow up wanting to be the next Montana, or Elway back in the day.

If your a black kid, the glamor spots are running back and wide receiver, and you emulate the black guys. I don't think it has anything to do with race, so much as you naturally relate to the guy that looks like you when your younger. Coaches also had allot to do with it, most coaches back in the day would naturally place players at certain positions based on race, whether sub consciously or not.

Now your starting to see allot of that changing. There are more white wide receivers popping up and white running backs, along with more black quarterbacks. This is because these kids maybe didn't see race as much , or the culture of sports changed, so that Coaches didn't automatically place kids at positions based on race.

The quarterback position follows money. Dad pays for camps, one-on-one training, and every video on the market. Plus, I've seen money influence who gets to start and get the most reps in practice.

The inner city kids (white also) spend their time developing athleticism by playing basketball, baseball, football, steal the hubcap, etc... They develop speed, hand eye coordination, leaping abilities, shiftiness, lateral speed, etc... that translate better to other positions.

Of course, there are exceptions and this is just my generalization.

:clap::clap: I think you hit the nail on the head.

Is it just me, or did your entire explanation have to do with race? Stating that white kids stick to "white positions" seems like a racial explanation to me. And that's completely ok.

Ah hell yeah

Let's turn this into a Chris Rock comedy sketch.

Black people do this, white people do that. I wish my dick was black so it would be larger.

ROFL

(Shrug.) My favorite football player as a kid was Otis Taylor, and I wanted to be a wide receiver. Then as I got older I realized that defense was where it was at, and Deron Cherry was my favorite player. It wasn't about race, it was about the guys wearing red who were playing the most fun positions. Am I the exception?

Yeah but you don't want to be the black guy with the small penis.....because then you REALLY get ****ed with.

It's like being the asian kid in class that has trouble with his Math homework. Yes folks......I've seen it.

No, I was saying that the older generation of players , and coaches the ones who grew up or coached in the 70`s and 80`s might have idolized their players by race, or subconsciously or consciously automatically placed certain players at positions by race..that would mean that more white kids started off playing pee wee ball at quarterback and more black kids at running back and wide receiver.

The kids growing up in the 90`s and new 00`s didn't see race so much. Also the coaches approach changed, allowing more kids opportunities and different positions, and not automatically placed by race, that was my point.

it used to be you would never see a black man flying a plane, thank god chappy from iron eagle changed all that

Where are all the white Corner backs, or Running backs?

Yes.

I'm just messin around with my other posts.
I honestly think it's because White athlete's will not make it at most positions so they focus harder on the QB position, and are tried out there more, because that's the only place they would be able to play, and black people are more often put at the other skill positions because they can fill those roles.
I also think that white kids whose parents want them to be a QB groom them to be so very early in their lives.

depends what level you're talking about. If It's High school It could be both ways....also have to consider whether that HS is out in the suburbs or if it's an inner-city school.

If you ask a ?? that involves race, the answer will as well.
Notm trying to be a smart ass, or a dick. Sorry if it sounds that way, but it's really hard to answer this ?? without delving into racial tendencies.

Justin Medlock

Who's that black punter than used to punt for the STL Rams?

True, and there are TONS of schools who have black QBs. College, and HS.
The best of the best at every position end up in the NFL. Most of the best QBs just happen to be white at this point in time, and the best players, at most other positions are black.
I hope this answer doesn't offend anyone. It's not meant to, and I don't consider myself to be doing anything other than answering a ?? honestly.

Reggie Roby?

I don't know if Reggie Roby punted for the Rams or not. However, I do know that Reggie Roby had the sweetest facemask ever!

You asked a question regarding race. So my answer will obviously involve race.

Read the top part of his post that is highlighted, bolded and underlined. :)

See my above post.


You said it wasn't about race.

Not a big deal, just my observation.

...don't want to be the goat for losing the game?

:shrug:

Maybe back in those days, blacks weren't allowed in white pools and he felt uncomfortable. Maybe he thought you white people were trying to trick him into the pool so you could drown him.

Look, I'm a white guy and this thread is making me uncomfortable. I had to make sure the date on my computer said 2009 and not 1968.

My favorite hockey player when I gave a damn:

http://miamiherald.typepad.com/.a/6a...0f7f970c-200wi

Rodney Williams

Sporting Events that Blacks tend to stay away from...

Golf - Minus Tiger Woods, Vijay and maybe a couple others, whom Tiger ironically is the best golfer ever, but for the most part this sport is 99.99999% white

Bowling - I can't really name anymore than 2-3 pro bowlers, but I've never seen blacks at a bowling alley unless they were with some of their white friends.

Swimming - like I said in my previous post, from what I've seen blacks aren't very good swimmers, though in HS state swimming championships there was this black kid from a STL school that was VERY fast in the 50 free. Swam like a High 21 sec 50 free.

NASCAR - (Unless you're Lamanjio Smith, who won the Kenyan 600 - Anyone who hasn't heard the Mr. Bergis NASCAR prank phone call needs to Youtube it, language NSFW, and there are racial slurs but it's absolutely hilarious.) NASCAR's isn't really a sport. It's just a competition/event.

Hockey - Besides that Florida Panthers player listed above, I've never seen a black hockey player. Unless you count Manute Bol ROFL

Then you can also add just about any Winter Olympics event, though you can add the fact that blacks are in just about EVERY summer olympics event......face it.....Blacks hate the cold weather. There aren't any black ice skaters (unless they're female I guess, but I can't remember of any off the top of my head but then again I don't watch figure skating at all)

Tennis
Golf
Water polo
Rugby
:doh!:
This is before I read the next post.

No, at least I don't think so. I wanted to be Curly Culp or Buck Buchanan.

I wanted to be Arnold Morgado.

Athletic black people have too much talent to be wasted on just kicking balls.

90% of the players are black and this is the question you came up with?

Racial diversity is difficult to determine, I mean sure, you've got statistics that are always going to point in a certain direction, and maybe the trend IS that most QBs are "white", but by exemplifying it to the extent of questioning actual diversity is antithetical to our supposed movement towards ending racial supremacy.

When we begin to regard ourselves as human beings as opposed to "white" or "colored", I'll appreciate our capacity for integrity.

The demographics of football are definitely interesting. Its a discussion worth having, as to the why it occurs the way it does. I think the Quarterback affluence example fits the best. Access to quality coaches can transform people and help overcome that affluence factor, but definitely affluence is a factor. However.. my favorite Quarter-back is definitely Steve McNair. He did things athetically that noone else did, and was the best gamer on the field. He came to play, and was very admirable. His success from his Mississippi back-ground is kind of an anomoly in the affluence argument.

I wanted to be Otis Taylor or Lou Brock or Earl Monroe. They looked to coolest doing what they did.

That's kind of the point of the question. It's not completely clear from the OP, but later he points out that the majority of NFL players are black so the fact that a single position is mostly white seems different than in other sports where one race dominates (e.g. blacks in basketball or whites in swimming).

Otis Taylor, Lou Brock and Bob Gibson for me. This is circa Springfield, mo. 1968 or so. I rememeber kids asking me why is your favorite pitcher a black guy. I told them why should I care? Whats that got do do with his pitching? My first lesson in race preception. I remember thinking who gives a chit that he is black.

Greg Coleman.

Most of my favorite athletes growing up were black, probably because I admired speed and aspired to play the games the way they did. Gibson was my favorite pitcher, but I never wanted to be a pitcher. Pitching was dull to me. I wanted to play positions that rewarded speed and good hands.

Those were good days to be a Chiefs and Cardinals fan, huh?

Now don't forget about JaMarcus Russell ROFL

I've never been able to figure out why the majority of defensive linemen seems to be African American and the majority of offensive linemen seems to be white.

The OL go to the same summer camps as the rich QB's.

man I remember very fondly listening to Harry Carey and Jack Buck broadcasting the games, staying up to listen to the games on the radio on school nights, watching Otis on Sundays. If only life was as carefree as back then....

Ah, memories.....when summers went on forever, and all my favorite teams were actually worth a shit.

Wayne Simmons on the Kings