This far in, would you say Cassel was the only option for the Chiefs?
 

I think so.

Really what could they have done to upgrade the QB position? Not much. They had no shot at Stafford, or, Matt Ryan from the previous year.

They were in range to draft Sanchez, but Id be more content with Cassel to this point since Sanchez is playing terrible.

What else could they have done? stick with Croyle or Thigpen? I was content when Thigpen was playing well, and thought we had some sort of chemistry, connection with Gailey's spread offense and Thigpen. But that all fell apart when the new regime took over.

I can't think of anything else? they could have traded up and try to get either Stafford or Ryan, but we know that would have been too costly. I guess he was the Chiefs best bet? Best thing is to just sit back, have some patience and wait for him to develop over time.

This won't end well.

I dont know, I would have liked to see Croyle get a fair shot, but with this OL, it was gonna be bad QB play no matter what

Cassel > Sanchez

(Right now at least)

Even though he hasnt played well as of late, we passed on Flacco twice.....

If we had drafted Sanchez and he struggled.....it's easier to forgive because he's a rookie.

When Cassel struggles.....it's harder to forgive because he's been in the NFL longer. Yes he has less talent around him....but he's still held to a higher standard.

I've been giving Cassel shit all year but really I think he has a pretty good game.I think he needs a lot of help,and he'll prob get some next year if we can keep him alive that long.So I think we did ok in picking up Cassel.
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oh yeah I forgot about him.

Jury is still out for me. I would have been thrilled with Stafford/Sanchez sitting on the bench a season or 2 and let Croyle play.

Currently i feel sorry for whoever you could think of being our QB this year.

WHAT!!!We passed on Shane Falco twice?Oh yeah I watched the draft and remember now.What's funny about that is,my bro loves the steelers and said I can't believe you guys passed on Flacco,and I was like SO!!!!! FUGG!!!!!!
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Im with you on this one.

I think he has the playmakers, but I say get him some lineman.

This.


But, I am pretty happy with Cassel as well, I just think he is overpaid for what he is, but I'd rather overpay and have him than be struggling to find someone else ofer the next handful of seasons.

he definitely wasn't the only option but i believe that he was the best option. i think he'll prove to be the best option in the near future.

Cassel has done some things to impress, but I still think Brodie Croyle has more talent. Hopefully Cassel continues to improve, and he seems to be a tough guy, so it could turn out good.

Croyle may have more talent....but he's proven that he can't play an entire season. Do you honestly think that Croyle could take the beating that Cassel has so far?

I wanted to see Croyle get a shot as well, but he's proven he can't stay on the field so you cant commit to him.

IMO, even if there were better options out there, Pioli still would have made the trade for Cassel. Thats 'his' guy.

Good point.

FYP

I would've have liked seeing Tyler Thigpen get a legitimate shot at the starting quarterback position. By far, I think he's the better option over Cassel. Why? Our offensive line is always letting guys through at the quarterback and a more mobile QB could help prevent sacks and make plays. Furthermore, photosynthesis is a process that converts carbon dioxide into organic compounds, especially sugars, using the energy from sunlight.[1] Photosynthesis occurs in plants, algae, and many species of Bacteria, but not in Archaea. Photosynthetic organisms are called photoautotrophs, since it allows them to create their own food. In plants, algae and cyanobacteria photosynthesis uses carbon dioxide and water, releasing oxygen as a waste product. Photosynthesis is vital for life on Earth. As well as maintaining the normal level of oxygen in the atmosphere, nearly all life either depends on it directly as a source of energy, or indirectly as the ultimate source of the energy in their food[2] (the exceptions are chemoautotrophs that live in rocks or around deep sea hydrothermal vents). The amount of energy trapped by photosynthesis is immense, approximately 100 terawatts:[3] which is about six times larger than the power consumption of human civilization.[4] As well as energy, photosynthesis is also the source of the carbon in all the organic compounds within organisms' bodies. In all, photosynthetic organisms convert around 100,000,000,000 tonnes of carbon into biomass per year.[5]

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Sanchez -

Comp% - 52.1
Yards - 1791
TDs - 10
INTS - 16
Sacks - 17
Rating - 61.1


Cassel-

Comp% - 55%
Yards - 1720
TDs - 12
INT - 6
Sacks - 34
Rating - 77.9

And, Sanchez has a better defense, OL, running game around him.

He did show the ability to take a beating in pre-season, and also against the Ravens. Maybe his body is maturing, or he is learning how to take a hit.

But, who knows if anyone else would have endured the beating Cassel has taken. It has been bad, no question.

And Cassel is a proven QB, Sanchez is a 1st round bust /obsessed CP members.

2nd best rushing O
9th best scoring D
5th best yardage D

Sanchez has been awful to get that team to 4-6...heck Stafford is 2-6 with that dreadful Lions defense

all QB options pretty much ended as soon as they gave him the big contract.

why are we even still talking about it?

WTF?

Penis envy from certian members...

I thought Huard had a couple of more years in him. :evil:

no ... i imagine it's just they got so tired of getting shit from all the Sanchez-ites for the last 6 months that they just want to rub it in now.

um ... you were one of those sanchez-ites, weren't ya?

ROFL WTF? :spock:

Those who wanted to select Sanchez were the ones giving shit?

Apparently. :rolleyes:

No, his ass would be knocked out. And what about talent? Croyle never did shit for us. Jamarcus Russell and Kyle Boller got a big arm like croyle and look at them.

That is striking. I knew Cassel had only been average, but I didn't realize that Sanchez had played so poorly.

Sanchez probably shouldn't even be playing right now. He's not mentally ready to be a NFL starter. He's shown flashes of being able to make plays, but he can't read defenses, panics and gets emotional under pressure pr when things aren't going right. He's in a perfect position for a rookie with a dominant running game and a good defense, but he's not ready to manage the game yet.

What that doesn't show is that cassel has 9 fumbles this year in 9 games

He's ****ing too much New York pussy.

I'd say he's a California pussy. But yeah, that might be true. Even as a rookie, it's not a good sign when your qb looks lost and like he's about to cry every time he has a bad game. He can't control his emotions or handle the pressure right now.

If you mean those were the ones shitting all over Cassel daily, then yes.

And they have it coming for Sanchez' poor rookie showing. I know, I know, he's a rookie, but he's got Leinart written all over him, and Stafford is clearly a better prospect, as many suggested, on a much much worse team.

And, so does Sanchez.

Yep. Have you watched Stafford play much? That kid is the real deal, IMO. I kinda thought Sanchez would be the better QB, and still may be, but I'm highly impressed with Stafford.

Yep, I was a Ryanite, Staffordite, Sanchezite, basically any thing other than the road already traveled ite............


:D

When you're sacked this often, that is going to happen.

Cassel was the best choice.... not the only one, but the best one.

The only franchise QB available in the draft was Stafford, and the price to get him was too high. Sanchez will be a very similar QB to Cassel down the road. They were both largely backups at USC.

Cassel is taller, and was only a second round draft pick.

And, Pioli knew him. He has proven to be as advertised. He is a tough, hardworking QB. And, despite coming from a great team to a poor team, he has continued to work hard, play hard, and actually give a d@mn.

Sanchez will be a Matt Hasselbeck kind of QB, which is fine, but about the same as Cassel will be.

I think in the end, the guys who were drooling over Sanchez will be dissapointed. And, the guys who think he is going to be a bust will be proven wrong.

He will be a decent, middle of the road QB. Which is what Cassel will be. So, why spend the #3 pick on a QB with similar talent, that the GM is less familiar with?

I don't want to open a huge can of worms, but they had a shot at both of these guys. The cost may have been expensive, but a trade up could have happened. IIRC, both the Fish and the Rams were looking for trade down partners leading up to the 2008 draft, and I am not so sure the Falcons would not have moved either if the "price was right". Same for last year. I bet the Lions would have listened if Clark would have offered up a deal to swap spots.

If they're both going to be decent middle of the road QBs.....then I'll take the one that is younger. You'll get more use out of him.

I understand the thinking.... but, I think that it is foolish to just want any rookie QB... just to have a rookie QB.

I understand wanting Stafford. I understand wanting Matt Ryan.

It will be interesting to see how it all goes.

I'll take the taller one who has proven that he is a hard worker that costs a much lower draft pick.

On a rebuilding team, I'll take the one from a winning organization that is a leader.

Also, Cassel and Sanchez both have about the same wear and tear on their bodies. There is only a 4.5 year difference between them.

And, an injury can completely end either of their careers. Cassel has eight years left. A lot can happen in eight years. Espcially since Pioli will likely draft a QB or two in the next eight years.

Um... for the record, Matt Ryan is not having a 'great' year on a MUCH more talented offense. He has 500 more yards, but a VERY similar passer rating and twice as many INT's.

Again, not saying that Ryan isn't having a better year, but look at the WR's, RB... oh, and he has a pretty good TE down there too.

I'm sticking to what my position has been all along. I'm comfortable playing the long game.

Laz is a drooling Mongo.

I didnt "just wanted to have a Rookie QB", I wanted to have a QB that you could build a franchise around for many years to come.... Someone that could give you 4-5 more years behind center.. Therefore "hopefully" increasing the chances to go to more superbowls...

hell yes ... anyone that even considering any other option than Sanchez got gang ****ed by a "group of 14"

Which is better than being gang ****ed by the group of Aaron Curry lovers.

those guys are still wacking off to their Herm posters every night...

I think you're getting old, losing your memory.

They were called the "gang of 14" for a reason ... they were repeatedly the aggressors in every draft related subject. Period. Hell they had a mission statement, Attack everyone in site that doesn't agree.



the other day you tried to make Mecca the victim, now it's the "14". I guess you were a member ... and yes, i'm utilizing every meaning of the word.

I hated herm and was open to the option of selecting Curry with our first pick. So where do i fit?

in fact, looking back I think Curry would of been a better selection then Jackson give our LB's

:rolleyes:

Yep...you got me there. I was saying that Mecca is a victim and everyone should just leave him alone.

I've seen a lot of worthwhile football opinions on this board. It just so happens that none of them have come from you.

You dont need a reason to whack itm, you just whack it because it is yours and it is hand raised? :shrug:

While Castle was stinking the place up, the camera paned down to Brodie standing near a equipment box with some older dude. I wonder how close Matt came to being yanked

If Brodie Croyle wasn't made of glass I still to this day would rather have him at QB

There was a lot riding on this off-season, and it definitely got heated, but it worked both ways. In reality, no one was victimized.

In hindsight, there should have been more discussion about players like Maclin, Harvin, Crabtree, and Moreno, since we ultimately went a pretty stupid route with the Jackson selection. And any of the previous 4 would have been a more effective choice.

Oh, well...

I'm not in a position to look it up, but Aaron Rodgers has been sacked more than Cassel, and hasn't fumbled nine times.

NFL.com says Rodgers has 7 fumbles and has been sacked 43 times. Last year, he had 34 sacks and fumbled 10 times, whereas Cassel was sacked 49 times with 7 fumbles.

Probably not. I don't think Cassel is perfect, my point is when you get knocked around as much as Cassel does, you're bound to lose the ball here and there. Rodgers has 7 fumbles. He's been sacked 43 times.

And I mentioned this before. they could of traded up, but they would of mortgaged their future. So, with a team that is rebuilding, I guess the whole concept was to give up very little value as possible and get the best QB possible (Cassel). He was the most suitable choice given the teams circumstance, situation. Matt Ryan is the best QB though imo.

Well with you saying that, Sanchez will be a HOF then.

Oh, yes! Cassel was the only choice. How could we ever have achieved 3-7 with any other QB?:rolleyes:

And OMG! The rookie QB is throwing interceptions? Irrefutable proof that he sucks, sucks hard and will always suck. Yep... no denying it.

All you need to know about Cassel is the 30 yd pass from to Lance Long in the most pressure situation he's been in all year.

So by my math, Aaron Rodgers has fumbled once every 6.14 sacks, while Matt Cassel has fumbled once every 3.7 sacks.

I'd say that's pretty significant.

He's thrown that particular pass well all year. He threw it to Long with pinpoint accuracy and he's thrown it to Wade at least twice. He threw a similar pass to Bowe for the tying TD against Dallas.

I look at that and don't miss Thigpen a bit.

The fact that this skeleton ****er is even being discussed by fans isn't a real positive sign about Cassel's play thus far.

while we are making up stats...I guess it should be pointed out that Brady has a 3.5 sack/fumble ratio. Manning a 4.0 sack/fumble ratio. And Sanchez with a 1.9 sack/fumble ratio

Great.

What does that have to do with this, again?

Just pointing out that getting hit isn't an excuse for coughing up the ball - and that a fumble a game is unacceptable.

Sanchez sucks, and will always suck. The guy is missing some real key ingredients to being a really good QB. Field awareness being the main one. Not only that, but the guy doesn't feel pressure around him at all. These aren't "learned" things, these are instincts much like a running back has instincts to make a guy miss or see the proper lanes. The fact is, Sanchez is missing some real key ingredients to becoming a top QB. He's never going to be one. Save my post, I don't care. I won't be wrong.

Cassel, much like last year in NE, has started slowly and looks better. And honestly, the guy has been pretty good in clutch time. And for whatever reason, you either have that or you don't. He seems to actually do better in those situations than when he's asked to be a game manager. I think because of this being Haley's first year with him, he'll get better at knowing what Cassel does best and call plays accordingly.

Either way, I wouldn't take Sanchez over Cassel at all. Sanchez is a bust in the making. Stafford is living up to his draft hype however. So good for him.

you'd be hard pressed to find anyone to argue there. It's pretty obvious Cassel has fumbled too much. That said, there's no reason to make up a stat at the mere suggestion of a correlation unless you're just looking for ways to shit on Cassel.

He is though, so it's irrelevant. If nothing else... when we actually become a decent to good team, he'll be a high quality back up that can get us through a game or three, without much of a drop-off.

I agree with everyone that Cassel's looked bad at times. But I think a lot of that is the product of the team around him. He's shown some nice flashes of what his future with this team could be like.

As for the thread title... Would I say he was the only option? Of course not. But I don't know that any of the other options would have done any better, given the situation.

You've gotta give the guy (and the HC, and GM) some time.

(And give the QB some time, literally.)

I wish we could have had Thigpen's rushing yards (386) 6.2 yds. per carry and 3 TD's this season though lol. We might have picked up some crucial first downs for a couple more wins. Well for any Tyler fans maybe we'll get to see him if Miami trades him to Oakland in the off season, they could use a mobile QB lol.

How did I make up a stat?

How else would you compare fumbling QB's when they've all been sacked a different number of times?