Brady has lost 5 with the same players Matt had...
 

just saying Matt haters need to get real. The team is awful not Matt.

:facepalm:

I have changed my mind now.

Let's get on the Cassel train.

Yep. Cause the patriots defense hasnt drastically declined since last year.

And Cassell lost 6. . .

Brady is washed up, blame pollard!111

Pretty sure they went 11-5 with cassel.

They desperately miss Pioli.

I just never really was on the Matt Castle wagon.

Yep. Cause the Patriots didn't lose 4 games the year prior to going unbeaten in the regular season.

By not being "awful" the OP was implying that Cassel sucks ****ing shit, which is, literally, not "awful."

This thread will end very well....

Wow... that's the craziest connection drawn around here in a long time.

I'm not 100% sure if they're the same team "player for player" that Matt had in 2008 compared to what Brady has in 2009, I'm sure their very close to being exact. But, McDaniels was the OC in 2008... that part has changed.

its the exact same team dude. cassel is obviously better than brady, duh

McD became the OC and they stopped winning superbowls....

hopefully it is the team and not matt .... but matt sure doesn't appear to be helping matters much.




which sadly indicates that he is probably a support type QB not a franchise type.

First in with "Draft Tebow".

Uh-huh... the defense had nothing to do with that SB loss.

They weren't exactly hanging their hat on their defense that year.

Meaning what exactly... their defense ranked #4 in points allowed and #4 in yards allowed. Offensively, they were #1 in points and #1 in yards.

Matt is part of the team. The team has improved. Why hasn't Matt?

This is pretty gat damn awful:

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Patriots defense sucks this year.

That is all.

Meaning it wasn't their defense that disappointed in that game. The defense had 17 pionts scored on them. The offense averaged at least 30 points through the season and laid an egg in their biggest game.

ROFL These are classic. That was a horrible throw.

Meanwhile, Mark Sanchez continues to suck while sitting on the bench this week.

Cassel was our only alternative. Live with it.

He's a ****ing 22 year old rookie, not a 27 year old 5 year vet, you dumb mother****er.

Frankly, I was never high on Cassel. However, when we traded for him I hoped he would turn out to be better than I thought he was. Hasn't proven me wrong yet but not giving up that hope.

He's on the bench because of a knee injury.

And who gives a shit about Sanchez besides you?

He's not a Chief.

Who was also injured in the last game, though your first sentence clearly tries to imply that it's a performance-related benching.

LMAO

Me.

I will always track the trajectory of his career, much like I have with Rodgers and Flacco.

Just as I will when we overlook (obviously) talented signal callers in future draft classes.

Have fun with that.

I won't follow any of them with any sort of vested interest, because they aren't Chiefs and I'm not a fan of living in agony over a decision I had no control over.

I'll always stalk that other girl I could have dated before I met my girlfriend. It only makes sense.

I have a feeling Matt Cassel isn't going to turn out to be our girlfriend.

He's gonna be the fat, ugly troll with zits all over her body and a lazy eye that you thought looked good at a bar one night when you were really drunk and decided to take home. Then you woke up in the morning, rolled over, horrified, and screamed for her to get the **** out!!!

And on her way out, she emptied your wallet.

Look at em. Like vultures. Heaven forbid anyone say something bad about their lord and saviour. Yes, he's injured. Yes, he still sucks, even as a rookie. Yes, Cassel is STILL a better alternative to Sanchez. Get over it girls. You were wrong.

LMAO..maybe true.

But Matt's still OUR QB. I'm not going to pine over any other QB's and think "What if we had 'So and so'..." every time Cassel ****s up. That doesn't accomplish anything.

That's cool but I'm over it.

Sanchez is a Jet and Cassel is a Chief.

The way things are going, the Chiefs will probably have a new starting QB in 2011 anyway.

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Let's wait a few years before stating who's right and who's wrong, okay?

JFC.

the majority of the people on this board expected Cassel to have 4,500 yds passing and 45 TD pass with ZERO interceptions this season and the team to win the Superbowl.

Everyone wants to take w/l out of it, fine. Lets look at numbers. Cassel through for 3500 yds with a record breaking offense that included, arguablly, the greatest reciever of all time. Trent Green threw for 4000+ yds, multiple times, with Eddie F***ing Kennison. Let me guess Kennison>Moss?

I hadn't gotten to see that yet. That is awesome. Nothing else needs to be said. How do people try to argue against that?

If only Carl Peterson had drafted Marino instead of Tard Blackledge.

Uhhh, no they don't.


As far as the original post, this is not the same players that they had last year.

You're smoking crack. Most fans on this board expect Cassel to at least look competent and worth the $63 million dollar contract that he signed.

I don't see why we should wait. The Cassel haters have proclaimed several times on this board that Sanchez is better than Cassel.

Maybe I've missed it, but I haven't seen anyone claim that Sanchez is better than Cassel.

I've seen people claim that Sanchez has more upside than Cassel, and that Sanchez would have been a better long term option than Cassel.

I think Sanchez is better than cassel

LMAO

We knew we were going to have to wait for either QB to be productive. But as I see it, I would rather wait to get my delivery of a brand new Ferrari then a 3 yr old Ford Focus. Now once we get the Focus we are going to have to wait even longer to get our Ferrari.

Has nothing to do with that.

The Chiefs are my team, but I'm a football fan. I, gasp, like to follow players outside of KC.

He was prrobably in total shock that there were two receivers open on the same play.

:shake: Wow. I am being completely honest when I say this. I was at that game Sunday and during the pregame they had local Pass, Punt, and Kick participants showing their stuff. Some of the older kids threw the ball just as far as Matt did on that play. :(

He couldn't decide which to throw to so he decided to throw in the middle of both and see which one wanted it more. Obviously that was a failure on the recievers part. :rolleyes:

OK. So the reason you're following Sanchez, Flacco, and Rodgers specifically is because you're a football fan; and not because KC had a chance to pick up those players?

Because I'm pretty sure you just stated this.

Me.

I will always track the trajectory of his career, much like I have with Rodgers and Flacco.

Just as I will when we overlook (obviously) talented signal callers in future draft classes.

I mean, you could just as easily track the careers of Rivers, Eli Manning, Ryan, or Stafford...because they all look to be legit QB's and are an important part of the NFL...but the Chiefs didn't really have a shot at any of those guys, so that might take the fun out of it.

You know, there's no reason to defend Peterson against scurrilous charges anymore.

This old ChiefsPlanet chestnut needs to be revised and updated.

The team is awful including Matt. He sucks, he's not even one of the few good players on the team. I couldn't care less about ****ing Sanchez, never wanted him, glad we dont have him to be honest.

Well then, with that in mind. Pioli should do the right thing, for his former employer, and trade Cassel even up for Brady.

Agreed. Hell, we'll even be kind enough to trade Wade for Moss straight-up.

Hell, it was declining since 2007. It was easy last year to blame their 11-5 record on Cassel and overlook that their defense was just not as good as it was in 2007, and it has continued this year.

Just further proof that a QB is not the only difference between winning and losing, but he's the easiest guy to blame or give credit to...

This. I fully anticipate Cassel being dog food by the end of 2010, assuming his bones and wicked-sweet noodle arm can last that long.
Yep, sometimes you just gotta' pick the new neighbors dog shit up off your lawn, shake your fist at that worthless east coast transplanted n00b, and move the **** on.

LOL...not even close. Their OC is gone. Biggest piece of the puzzle..and their defense is gone, but played well.

I wish he would make one of those giffs for every pass Cassel has thrown that poorly. It would shut this place down.

I have an interest in the Chiefs, first and foremost. And, yes, there are players who will always be a tangential part of the conversation with respect to this team. Just as the '83 draft class has been talked to death.

Ryan and Stafford are equally as interesting for me, mainly because of how they were perceived by a decent chunk of the fan base (as it relates to CP).

Your post made it seem like following the "what ifs" in the NFL is strange. Perhaps. But I think that's what makes sports interesting. And this is what I was alluding to when I said "this is not the case" or whatever.

But, to an ancillary point, if the Chiefs ceased to exist, I would be watching just as much NFL football, following the league just as closely.

Same here. At least then I would be free to watch all of the good games that are on.

Wrong, Cassel had "proven" he could play in the league so he was a now move. Now we might have had to wait for our team to get built, but Cassel is not a 2nd year player, he's 27 years old and has been a backup to one of the best in the league for years now. Cassel was supposed to be ready from the start. It was a give me that $100 now rather than having a chance at $10000, $100 or $50 in two years kind of thing.

EDIT: IMO.

The team is Awful and I have reserved judgment on Matt because of that but it might be that he sucks too. I hope that is not the case and I know that he hasn't been in a good situation BUT he hasn't looked like a great QB stuck on a crappy team either. He has looked like a crappy QB on a crappy team.

This. If he was even a decent QB we would all know it, because we would see better play out of him. I dont see anything that tells me he is a decent QB.

Some of us expected him to show at least some kind of pocket presence, and be able to make simple passes to wide open targets. (see the GoChiefs gif)

I hope the guy gets it, and figures it out, but he appears to be getting worse. He just plain sucks ass right now.

I'm coming to the same conclusion. And you don't build a franchise around a role-play QB. You do it around a franchise QB.

Fair enough. I'm a Chiefs fan foremost, and a fan of the NFL second. If the Chiefs ceased to exist, I'd watch considerably less NFL football; and probably wouldn't have a vested interest in any player unless they came out of KU. It would probably be about the same as my NBA viewing goes. I watch big games and sometimes I'll flip through and stop on an NBA game for a while and watch...but if KC had a team, I'd probably watch a shit-ton of NBA games.

I don't mind studying the past, because it's the only way we can forecast the future; but I'm not one to dwell on anything and ask a bunch of "What if's?". Just not my style. But to each his own. 5 years from now, whether Sanchez, Flacco, or Rodgers are winning SB's or selling insurance; I won't be wondering what would have happened had we drafted them instead of Player X. I'll just be studying our current roster in hopes the players we have can improve and get the job done. And looking towards the next offseason/draft for players that can help our team.

Just different mentalities I suppose.

Cassel proved to be servicable and reliable for one of the all time great offenses. He sat and studied behind one of the greatest QBs of all time for 3 years and then played in 1 and he is this crappy. Aaron Rodgers came out gun slinging after 3 years studying behind Brett Favre (also one of the great QBs of all time.) The difference is Rodgers puts up monster numbers. Cassel impresses us when he throws over 100 yds.

Yep. But that's what makes this place great.

Did you photoshop an entire JaMarcus Russell gif?

LMAO

Or maybe the Pats got worse.

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Well yank me one time...
I could not speak.
Well yank me one time Haaaley...
And my knees got weak.
Well yank me two times Coach,
Once for the Chargers,
and ONE FOR DONKO-DAY...
!!!!!
YANK ME TWO TIMES,
CAUSE MY PLAYIN' IS GHEY!
!!!!!!!!!!!
YANK ME TWO TIMES,
AND THROW MILLIONS AWAAAAAAYYYYYYY

Sure, Cassel had an incredibly talented set of weapons... same can be said for Rodgers. Cassel in KC? Not so much...

Rodgers first year, they won 6 games. With Bills and Browns coming up, we could win 5 games. Not far off of 6. My point being is that Rodgers still put up good numbers. Even when the team was not that good. Plus he has proven to make his team better around him. Cassel drags his team to his level.

OH HELL NO! Nobody can get any credit there for coaching but Bill. That's the way it always is. The bottom line is Matt can play the position very well. His team is bad as all hell. He didn't just become shit with the Chiefs. The team is shit. not him. If the great Brady loses 6 or 7 with the same playersthen all Matt haters can eat crap All off season Moss and company were given the "We made Matt look good" title. He's a tough, smart QB and we need to build around him.

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