Yo, Mr. Bwana, need your advice...
 

I am looking to get 2 firearms, 1 for CCW and another for an assault type shotgun.

For the CCW I am thinking a .380. What is a good one that won't break me but won't **** up when I need it?

For the shotgun, what do you reccomend that is reasonable on the pocket book?

Thanks in advance :D

Dude, hes a clandestine operative with the CIA...you should really keep this in PM's for national security sake

ROFL

that's funny ROFL

Well looks like he's going to have to kill you now for blowing his cover :shake:

A .380 ! What are you gonna protect with that , a sack of donuts ?

Get a damn .45 !

Browning 9mm will never fail you.

For the shotty - Mossberg 590a1 Adjustable Stock 6 shot

http://www.mossberg.com/products/def...ction=products


*edit - This shotgun MAY NOT be reasonable on the pocketbook. Heh

I would like to acquire a SCAR-H. That gun is kick ass on Call of Duty. So how do I get one?

I have a nice smallish .380 made by Bersa. Good buy, always goes bang. It's a decent 'briefcase' gun or for vest carry. Not really as small as the Kel-Tec P3AT or the new Ruger LCP. But I'll tell you a fact - it's been tough to buy .380 ammo since the election. Not impossible, but tough. I think a .380 is a decent carry round, but if you can't buy any to carry look around for something else. I shoot the 'big brother' of a .380 (which is a 9mm x 17) - the "Makarov" 9x18. I have a Bulgarian Makarov that I really like and a CZ82 - maybe the best surplus buy on the market right now. They both shoot the 'mak' round, and I can buy all I want for $12/50 for Russian FMJ ammo, Hornady 'self defense' 9x18 is roughly twice that.
Either of these little surplus pistols will be less than $300 and they're both tough, accurate and 'all steel'. They may weigh more than some of the .380's, but they're small pistols and will carry well. And they're bona fide service pistols designed to stand up to police/army use. They can take it.

That said, if I was only going to buy 1 pistol to for CCW I'd probably look at the 9mm kel-tec models. P-11 or P9 IIRC. They'll 'disappear' in your front pocket (with a pocket holster to keep the barrel clean/unplugged). They're designed to be carried often and shot fairly seldom but perfectly capable in the 7yard category they're designed for. Ammo isn't an issue. They're (relatively) easy to find and priced right.

My only advice re: fighting shotguns is - get really, really familiar with your shotgun, don't just pimp it up and sit it by the bed and 'assume' you know where it shoots. Go shoot skeet or trap with it - don't care if it's not a 'skeet' gun, you can use the practice shooting moving targets. I have a Benelli Nova 'tactical' because I got a great deal on it 2nd hand, but if I was really wanting a designated home defense gun I'd watch for a decent used pumpgun at pawnshops, cut the barrel off @ 19" and put a buttstock 'cuff' ammo holder on it so you'll have extra ammo on the gun. You really don't need barrel shrouds, bayonets, etc...remember, you may have to appear in court someday and explain why you shot a goblin w/the gun. Your old hunting gun will look a lot less 'weirdo' than some ninjabangstick. K.I.S.S.

go here

http://www.army.com/enlist/rangers.html

sweet, should be a piece of cake...a walk in the park

Instead you should be asking which guns will fail on you.

Are there any?

Ruger P345. Slim 45 with 7 shot mag.

http://guntalk.dbw.org/images/illust...rugerP345b.jpg

I already have a .40. I need something small to carry.

I have a Bersa Thunder .380 as well...nice little gun. I also have a S&W model 65 .357 Mag and a Glock model 19 in 9 mm. The Glock is the one I carry the most though.

As for the 380 ammo, it's coming back. I've seen it more recently than 6 months ago. Over the summer, I found some in a Sports Authority of all places and bought 4 boxes.

I have a cheap little 380 (Lorcinco I think) I keep around the house and for CC it's very capable. Momma also likes it because it's softer to shoot than my 40. For the 5 yd and under range it does fine.

Just my opinion, but for carry you might check out a Glock 19 or one of Glock's compact models.

Never on the cheap side but always reliable and very easy to carry w/15 rounds or more.

Like everyone you'll most likely try a few different guns before finding one made just for you. Good luck.

I'm partial to Winchester 1300's for riot guns.YMMV

It looks like you have a lot of solid advise on the pistol. As far as the shotgun, it
demends what you have to spend. If it's a lot, I like the Benelli M4. You can buy a lot of extras for it as well.
http://www.benelliusa.com/shotguns/benelli_m4.php

They don't give those away though, so if you want to keep the price down, you may want to consider a Remington 870 with the 20 inch barrel and the extended tube. You can also buy a lot a extras for that as well.

That is a solid gun as well.

As far as the pistol. I would at least step up to a 9mm. I pack a glock 20, 10mm, with 15 round clips, with lots of extras, and some hard hitting ammo. It can be a pain to conceal at times though, because of the size.

Bigoldchieffan turned me onto Doubletap ammo, http://www.doubletapammo.com/php/catalog/index.php which I bought for the back country, in the event I encounter a dust up with a grizzly. (BOCF knows his stuff) They also make very some hard hitting "human rounds" as does Dakota ammo with their Corbon rounds. http://www.dakotaammo.net/

Both make very high dollar ammo, so you won't be taking it "plinking," but they are great to have in the gun, in the event poo hits the fan.

for CC i would go with .40 or bigger.

but, if you want 9mm, I would look at a compact Springfield XD-9. I have the full size model, and it's a great pistol; and quite a bit cheaper than Glock.

I think a 9mm would be fine with the right ammo, and proficient shot.

my brother in law carries this as his back up/secondary gun. sweet gun.

this is the sub-compact - which is smaller than the compact. I think my full-size barrel is 4"?...not sure what the compact is. but this woudl give you an idea on size. The compact would be slightly larger than this.
I also like my XD-9 because of the safety features. Trigger safety, grip safety; cocking pin indicator on the back of the slide, and loaded chamber indicator on top of the slide. My wife can look at the gun, and determine it's 'hot'. (although she always considers it hot, until she drops the magazine and locks the slide open).

http://www.gunslot.com/files/gunslot...mages/7667.jpg

Mu father in law used to carry some hard hitting, people killers. He repos houses and never knows what or who is going to be in the house when he goes in. He switched over to just plain old fmj's. He said if he shoots someone, because of the laws now and such, he is afraid to rip them in half and such. Make some sense I guess.

Out of curiosity....

Hunting aside, Policeman/Soldiers/Bodyguards aside...

How many of you average joe citizens have had the need to shoot someone before? Or even wave it around at a would be perp for intimidation/protection purposes?

Just wondering whether the desire to have guns fits the need to have them. Im not a hippy or anything, I guess I don't understand the need for a suped up auto-shotty? Are you expecting some army to target you and, if need be, you can go all Chuck Norris/Steven Segal/Tim Tebow on their asses?

I have been in the situation where I discharged a firearm at someone. I am not in the same situation now, but I have been. That being said, I don't hunt. My firearms are for 2 things, target shooting and killing people (in self-defense of course). Hopefully the latter will never have to happen

Was that in self defense or were you just getting gangsta at a house party? Or were you in Dodge City at a Saloon when Ol' Curly cheated at poker and you made him "dance?"

Please say the latter.....

I'm suprised Bwana, Radar Chief, RedNeckRaider, and a few others haven't hosted a "Big Gun Party", or somesuch.

Self defense. Worked in a family liquor store.

... in Dodge City.... selling sasparilla and whiskey?

Fortunately I haven't had the need to use any of my weapons for protection purposes. Although, it is all about the odds as there have been numerous home invasions with in a square mile of me. I would rather be prepared than not.

i think a lot of it is for 'insurance' purposes.
we never 'expect' to get mugged, or someone to break into our homes etc; but I'd rather have something to at least try to defend myself and family, than not.

I hear what you're saying; most who have CCW will probably never 'need' them per se; but I advocated CCW because the more CCW, over time, will hopefully lead to less random violent crime. (wishful thinking).

when I lived in grandview, I heard a noise outside; grabbed my pistol and told the wife to hid in the other bedroom closet and call the po-po. I assumed position at the doorjam of my room and waited.
Nothing happened, etc; but the police did find broken wood along the window frame of our basement window / attempted intrusion. had that guy succeeded that night (or if he planned on coming back at a later time) i would've had to take him out. I have already come to terms with the fact that if someone is in my house unlawfully, I am not going to apply diplomacy and try to work it out. I'm shooting to kill. not wound. period.

scary to think about, but I think if you have a weapon for personal protection, you need to ask yourslef the question "can i kill another human being in self defense" before buying one. any hesitation in this decision at the time of a scenario like I described, could end up very very badly for you.

Sure, I get that. Maybe a handgun locked up and ready for such purposes... but machine guns and automatic shotguns? I mean, unless you are selling lots of coke...

oh; ok, I see what you're saying/meant etc.

Not very many people have machine guns. Do you consider this a machine gun?

Nope. At 79th & Troost selling Segram's gin and E&J brandy!!!

Shit! I'd have hired three Tim Tebows if i was selling liquor there also!

Not sure but I ****ing love paintball

Hooey. There is a recreational aspect to some of these firearms for one thing. Secondly, I don't find myself interested in defending myself with my Granddad's hand me down pea shooter.

I'll be the first to tell you from experience that if someone has a gun in your face, I don't care what you are armed with it won't do you a damn bit of good.

OK then. Not sure I understand your response.

Big gun party indeed!

I've got one of those. The gun isn't all that intimidating, but the hollow points I put in it could be.

This is my peashooter. Just a little too bulky to carry though.

http://www.zbrane-frano.sk/image/sta.../PX4_L1(1).jpg

Sharp. My peashooter isn't made for hiding - it's a long barrel .22, lol. Even with the hollow points, I run the danger of just pissing off the shootee if I score the hit....

Those are great for target shooting though.