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googlegoogle 12-28-2009 03:37 PM

Do we need two wr's in the draft? or just one?
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqHZjHonAqQ

Mardy Gilyard ? Denario? 2nd round!?</EMBED></EMBED>

Bane 12-28-2009 03:39 PM

I'd settle for drafting Bryant,or Tate.

Mecca 12-28-2009 03:39 PM

This is a shit ass WR class, seriously if no one else declares there is 1 first round WR, and pimping for spread WR's who have inflated numbers isn't really a great idea.

Demonpenz 12-28-2009 03:41 PM

Denario Alexander please

kitten_mittons 12-28-2009 03:47 PM

Whichever one's name will look better in these thread titles, in chronological order, of course.

"Our first WR of the draft, _____!!!!!"
"_____ youtubes."
"_____ is a God."
"_____ is the next Randy Moss."
"Haley says _____ is better than Fitzgerald and Boldin put together!"
"_____ makes big strides in training camp."
"**** Bowe, we've got _____."
"_____ 2 catches 14 yards in preseason game."
"_____ is still learning the offense."
"We should've drafted _____ instead of _____."
"_____ sucks."
"_____ is the reason we lost."
"_____ isn't part of the right 53."
"_____ officially a bust."
"Release _____."

GoHuge 12-28-2009 03:58 PM

Think we should draft four to make sure we get at least one after seeing this regimes ability to evaluate talent. Went 0-2 on D linemen this year, but maybe that's just a Chief's thing. Either way I'm sticking with four.
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ToxSocks 12-28-2009 03:59 PM

I would go with one. just one good one.

Ralphy Boy 12-28-2009 04:04 PM

I'd love to have Alexander but don't see it happening. Not really up yet on where he's likely to be drafted but I would think he's a 2nd rounder (or higher) and i'd hope he'd be considered. We could use a big body WR, but since Mizzou isn't a BB college who knows. I'd think that Maclin's success this season would lend a little favor toward Alexander's chances but Maclin would have been a stud in any offense.

ToxSocks 12-28-2009 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6386245)
This is a shit ass WR class, seriously if no one else declares there is 1 first round WR, and pimping for spread WR's who have inflated numbers isn't really a great idea.

So what is your opinion on Dez Bryant?

Thig Lyfe 12-28-2009 04:06 PM

Awww that video is heartwarming.

Chiefnj2 12-28-2009 04:07 PM

Tate and Gilyard look like they have playmaker ability.
Shipley isn't flashy, but it seems like he can at least catch the ball.
Bring in the kid who dropped out of Syracuse as an UDFA.

Rausch 12-28-2009 04:09 PM

We need two WR's, Two O lineman, 1 legit 3-4 DT, 2 safeties, at least one TE, a backup to Charles, a backup to Cassel, a true ILB, and a legit FB...

Dante84 12-28-2009 04:10 PM

Our last MU WR worked out great....

Iron Will

Bane 12-28-2009 04:13 PM

I still like Tate.

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Bryant has great hands.

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kepp 12-28-2009 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Dante84 (Post 6386323)
Our last MU WR worked out great....

Iron Will

A 4th rounder was quite a reach for Franklin. He should have been a let 6th, 7th, or an UDFA.

kepp 12-28-2009 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Ralphy Boy (Post 6386311)
I'd love to have Alexander but don't see it happening. Not really up yet on where he's likely to be drafted but I would think he's a 2nd rounder (or higher) and i'd hope he'd be considered. We could use a big body WR, but since Mizzou isn't a BB college who knows. I'd think that Maclin's success this season would lend a little favor toward Alexander's chances but Maclin would have been a stud in any offense.

The lowest I've seen him forecasted to go is the 3rd round, but who knows. That could jump a bit if he has a really good combine.

Thig Lyfe 12-28-2009 04:18 PM

OMG what if we get Weiss, Clausen and Tate?!? We'd totally replicate the awesomeness of the 2009 Fighting Irish!

Bane 12-28-2009 04:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SportsRacer (Post 6386345)
OMG what if we get Weiss, Clausen and Tate?!? We'd totally replicate the awesomeness of the 2009 Fighting Irish!

Tate is the only one out of the bunch I'd want.We can go QB next year after the whole Matt Cassel experiment is over.

DrRyan 12-28-2009 04:23 PM

Of the two I would take Gilyard over Alexander. Gilyard would stretch the field more than Alexander and could return punts, and kicks if you really want to overuse him. On second thought, having a QB that cannot throw an accurate deep ball Gilyard's talent might waste away here.

Rausch 12-28-2009 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Dante84 (Post 6386323)
Our last MU WR worked out great....

Iron Will

That one for Philli hasn't done a thing either...:spock:

Dante84 12-28-2009 04:30 PM

When is Dez projected to go? Does he make it to our 2a?

Rausch 12-28-2009 04:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dante84 (Post 6386375)
When is Dez projected to go? Does he make it to our 2a?

Who cares?

By then we'll be drafting our next starting SS out of Columbia South Welding Mechanical Dyslexic Engineers Career Center....

Titty Meat 12-28-2009 04:46 PM

No thanks to Alexander yes to Ginyard.

MahiMike 12-28-2009 04:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bane_58 (Post 6386336)
I still like Tate.


Bryant has great hands.

Based on those 2 videos, I like Bryant. Tate looks good but not tall enough.

BigMeatballDave 12-28-2009 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 6386322)
We need two WR's, Two O lineman, 1 legit 3-4 DT, 2 safeties, at least one TE, a backup to Charles, a backup to Cassel, a true ILB, and a legit FB...

Why? In an appearance against the Ravens, Croyle took a pounding and played better than Cassel did at any point this season.

ToxSocks 12-28-2009 05:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SportsRacer (Post 6386345)
OMG what if we get Weiss, Clausen and Tate?!? We'd totally replicate the awesomeness of the 2009 Fighting Irish!

I'd be on board for Clausen. He looked better in that highlight video then Tate did.

Hell, i would take Tate and Wiess too.

ToxSocks 12-28-2009 05:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bane_58 (Post 6386348)
Tate is the only one out of the bunch I'd want.We can go QB next year after the whole Matt Cassel experiment is over.

It's basically over.

Bane 12-28-2009 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 6386468)
It's basically over.

It never should have started in the first place,but we're stuck with him for at least another season.

evolve27 12-28-2009 05:05 PM

Won't get a wideout with the 1st pick. Gotta hope a guy is there in the 2nd round. Gilyard, Denario, Tate, or Bryant.

Rausch 12-28-2009 05:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 6386468)
It's basically over.

His ink is thick and black.

Enjoy...

Bane 12-28-2009 05:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BCD (Post 6386453)
Why? In an appearance against the Ravens, Croyle took a pounding and played better than Cassel did at any point this season.

Exactly.We're actually pretty good at back up QB for once.

evolve27 12-28-2009 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Dante84 (Post 6386375)
When is Dez projected to go? Does he make it to our 2a?

1st wideout taken.

arizonachief 12-28-2009 05:10 PM

Golden Tate will be a bust in th N.F.L.

GloryDayz 12-28-2009 05:10 PM

The first three draft picks I think we need are, Owner, GM, and Head Coach. Then, back to the streets for 40, or so, different players...

Bane 12-28-2009 05:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by evolve27 (Post 6386505)
1st wideout taken.

Thats what everything I've read says as well.Even though we need every play maker we can get,no way we go WR with our 1st pick.

Bane 12-28-2009 05:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GloryDayz (Post 6386513)
The first three draft picks I think we need are, Owner, GM, and Head Coach. Then, back to the streets for 40, or so, different players...

ROFL

ToxSocks 12-28-2009 05:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bane_58 (Post 6386524)
Thats what everything I've read says as well.Even though we need every play maker we can get,no way we go WR with our 1st pick.

What if Berry is off the board and Chambers does not resign?

I could live with Brown holding his job at S, but could we live with Wade/other scrub at WR? I think not.

evolve27 12-28-2009 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by bane_58 (Post 6386524)
Thats what everything I've read says as well.Even though we need every play maker we can get,no way we go WR with our 1st pick.

Yeah, Offensive tackle is what's projected. I think Okung maybe. It's evident that Albert is suited for the inside or maybe RT. Geez it's disgusting to see his penalties snowball throughout the games.

Rausch 12-28-2009 05:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by evolve27 (Post 6386559)
Yeah, Offensive tackle is what's projected. I think Okung maybe. It's evident that Albert is suited for the inside or maybe RT. Geez it's disgusting to see his penalties snowball throughout the games.

He's destined to move to RT.

Under Haley...:grr:

evolve27 12-28-2009 05:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 6386569)
He's destined to move to RT.

Under Haley...:grr:

This will make us look eerily simlar to the Rams, :eek: in terms of draft wise with early picks. Don't know if this is the right plan, time will tell.

Brock 12-28-2009 05:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by evolve27 (Post 6386559)
Yeah, Offensive tackle is what's projected. I think Okung maybe. It's evident that Albert is suited for the inside or maybe RT. Geez it's disgusting to see his penalties snowball throughout the games.

Awful idea.

Bane 12-28-2009 05:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 6386542)
What if Berry is off the board and Chambers does not resign?

I could live with Brown holding his job at S, but could we live with Wade/other scrub at WR? I think not.

I don't think I could pull the trigger on WR that high.
I think we need the best defensive player available with our first pick.Then OL,WR with 2a and 2b,but I got slaughtered for saying that 2 weeks ago.

Bane 12-28-2009 05:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by evolve27 (Post 6386559)
Yeah, Offensive tackle is what's projected. I think Okung maybe. It's evident that Albert is suited for the inside or maybe RT. Geez it's disgusting to see his penalties snowball throughout the games.

Yeah I saw Okung,and everyone had a fit.
Saw Su,and lots of people had a fit.
Saw Berry,and almost everyone liked that pick.

I'd like to see Berry with our 1st pick,but April is a long time away.

evolve27 12-28-2009 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by bane_58 (Post 6386615)
Yeah I saw Okung,and everyone had a fit.
Saw Su,and lots of people had a fit.
Saw Berry,and almost everyone liked that pick.

I'd like to see Berry with our 1st pick,but April is a long time away.

Love Berry but he's a number 2 guy behind Suh if anything then Okung at 3. Good choices, I definately can see Pioli choosing this way.

Mecca 12-28-2009 05:49 PM

As of today Bryant is the only first round WR, athletically talented, good size, probably will post a 4.4, probably should be more of a 10-20 prospect than a top 10 prospect. Similar to Braylon Edwards in that he'll make a great catch or do something that looks super human then follow it up by dropping an easy ball.

Inconsistency is the first word I think of when I think of him.

In short this is a very bland class, Damian Williams may declare and push Bryant but after that we're looking at guys like Regis Benn and Brandon Lafell who would be good candidates for a 2nd round pick other than Lafell is essentially a Bowe clone.

ToxSocks 12-28-2009 05:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bane_58 (Post 6386609)
I don't think I could pull the trigger on WR that high.
I think we need the best defensive player available with our first pick.Then OL,WR with 2a and 2b,but I got slaughtered for saying that 2 weeks ago.

Eh. If we loose Chambers, we need a guy opposite Bowe. Remember what this O looked like before Chambers? ****ing awful. Bowe can't handle the double teams right now. W/o a guy on the other side, he almost disappears. There is no one to throw the ball too. And then what happens with Charles? He'll be facing more 8-9 man fronts.

Look at the early round talent we have on D, then look at the early round talent we have on O. We need O bad.

The D held cinci to 10 points until 2 minutes left in the game. The D can survive if we can get some O going.

Mecca 12-28-2009 05:54 PM

None of these receivers are worth top 10 picks, picking one that high will be a massive reach.

Rausch 12-28-2009 05:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by evolve27 (Post 6386598)
This will make us look eerily simlar to the Rams, :eek: in terms of draft wise with early picks.

How the **** could you tell the difference outside of the uniforms?...

ToxSocks 12-28-2009 05:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6386650)
As of today Bryant is the only first round WR, athletically talented, good size, probably will post a 4.4, probably should be more of a 10-20 prospect than a top 10 prospect. Similar to Braylon Edwards in that he'll make a great catch or do something that looks super human then follow it up by dropping an easy ball.

Inconsistency is the first word I think of when I think of him.

In short this is a very bland class, Damian Williams may declare and push Bryant but after that we're looking at guys like Regis Benn and Brandon Lafell who would be good candidates for a 2nd round pick other than Lafell is essentially a Bowe clone.

Then give me one in the 2nd. We can't go into next season with just Bowe. If we have Chambers, great. Then we can focus on D again. But if not, there is no way we can do this again with just Bowe.

evolve27 12-28-2009 06:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 6386673)
How the **** could you tell the difference outside of the uniforms?...

It's a effing shameful disgrace to say such a thing. Chiefs will always be superior to the Lambs.

58kcfan89 12-28-2009 06:03 PM

I'd love to have either Mardy Gilyard (go look up his story, he was homeless at one point, you'd think he's at least willing to work in order to be a great WR) or Golden Tate, but who knows where they'll be slated to go come April. Draft stock rises & falls so drastically between now & then...

ChiefsCountry 12-28-2009 06:12 PM

Wait till 2011 to draft WR. Draft defense this year, its loaded. Next year WR is loaded. Play to the strengths of the draft.

Mecca 12-28-2009 08:26 PM

Why do people love Tate so much cause he was on TV every week?

1 he's 5'10, 2 he has limited experience as a WR, he's probably a slot guy at the next level.

On the bright side to Benn, Juice Williams hurt his stock athletically speaking he may be the best WR in the class, he's also a very good returner which is something we need.

DeezNutz 12-28-2009 08:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6386970)
On the bright side to Benn, Juice Williams hurt his stock athletically speaking he may be the best WR in the class, he's also a very good returner which is something we need.

Would be a solid choice in round 2.

Mecca 12-28-2009 08:30 PM

Benn is a first round talent that I assume declared due to the weak class. Playing with Williams destroyed his numbers and he got hurt.

BigChiefFan 12-28-2009 08:48 PM

I don't know what games you have watched in the past, but Dez Bryant is one of the most sure-handed, physical receivers in the college game. He's certainly the top propspect and has shown stellar talent that looks to easily translate at the next level.

Mecca 12-28-2009 08:53 PM

Also every time I've watched Bryant he's had long stretches of disappearing in games.

He doesn't jump off the screen at you like I think a top 5 WR should, but that's me I would never take a WR top 5 unless he was physically a perfect prospect.

SAUTO 12-28-2009 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by BigChiefFan (Post 6387022)
I don't know what games you have watched in the past, but Dez Bryant is one of the most sure-handed, physical receivers in the college game. He's certainly the top propspect and has shown stellar talent that looks to easily translate at the next level.

mecca is going to pimpp benn since hes talked about him since last year. bryant could be all world but since mecca didnt like him before he could never like him no matter what
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Mecca 12-28-2009 08:57 PM

No I'm going to pimp Benn because it doesn't require a top 5 pick to draft him.

Dez Bryant is being pumped up by being the best WR in a bad class, he's a 10-20 type prospect. I didn't say Benn should go before him after his disastrous year, but you need to realize the investment in these players.

Benn is far better value at the top of the 2nd than Bryant is at the top of the first, this guy would be the 3rd or 4th WR in next years class.

Frankie 12-28-2009 09:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6386245)
This is a shit ass WR class, ....

Yep. The only WR I want to see among our draftees is a late round surprise.

SAUTO 12-28-2009 09:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6387062)
No I'm going to pimp Benn because it doesn't require a top 5 pick to draft him.

Dez Bryant is being pumped up by being the best WR in a bad class, he's a 10-20 type prospect. I didn't say Benn should go before him after his disastrous year, but you need to realize the investment in these players.

Benn is far better value at the top of the 2nd than Bryant is at the top of the first, this guy would be the 3rd or 4th WR in next years class.

no you will pimp him because you said last year he was the best that could be available in this years draft. now you are trying to make excuses for the guy. juice....etc. whatever man
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Brock 12-28-2009 09:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frankie (Post 6387070)
Yep. The only WR I want to see among our draftees is a late round surprise.

Let me guess, OKUNG

Mecca 12-28-2009 09:03 PM

Did you see how productive he was before this year?

Juice Williams regressed massively and it killed his season. Look I'd rather punch myself in the face than use a top 5 pick on Dez Bryant. None of the WR's this year are worth that, wait till the 2nd and pick between guys like Benn, Lafell etc etc. And I'll pimp Benn over Lafell for this team because Lafell is basically Bowe.

Frankie 12-28-2009 09:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoHuge39 (Post 6386295)
Think we should draft four to make sure we get at least one after seeing this regimes ability to evaluate talent. Went 0-2 on D linemen this year, ...

I didn't agree with Pioli's draft and it was a let down to me. But to be fair, (1) he was operating with the old scouts and (2) D-linemen don't usually pan out the first year or even the first couple of years.

Brock 12-28-2009 09:04 PM

I'm okay with Bryant. He's explosive. Rather have Spiller though.

Mecca 12-28-2009 09:05 PM

We'll be kicking ourselves in the ass if we take Bryant when next years class has Julio Jones and AJ Green.

DeezNutz 12-28-2009 09:05 PM

All this talk precedes the Cody inevitability...

SAUTO 12-28-2009 09:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6387080)
Did you see how productive he was before this year?

Juice Williams regressed massively and it killed his season. Look I'd rather punch myself in the face than use a top 5 pick on Dez Bryant. None of the WR's this year are worth that, wait till the 2nd and pick between guys like Benn, Lafell etc etc. And I'll pimp Benn over Lafell for this team because Lafell is basically Bowe.

how productive was he? im on a phone. cant see stats as easy as i would like. throw out his year by year stats. bryants too please, lets compare
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Mecca 12-28-2009 09:08 PM

Also Benn is a returner...

I'm actually thrilled about Benns bad year he went from a top 15 prospect to going in the 2nd round, advantage us since we have a high 2nd rounder.

SAUTO 12-28-2009 09:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6387100)
Also Benn is a returner...

I'm actually thrilled about Benns bad year he went from a top 15 prospect to going in the 2nd round, advantage us since we have a high 2nd rounder.

lol bad year could also mean hes not that good. well see though
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Mecca 12-28-2009 09:11 PM

2007 43 622 14.5 39 6 2 16 8.0 9 0 0 0
2008 87 1480 17.0 80 19 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
2009 17 323 19.0 46 4 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0

2007 54 676 12.5 56 2 32 158 4.9 23 0 0 0
2008 67 1055 15.7 54 3 23 101 4.4 17 2 0 0
2009 38 490 12.9 58 2 7 23 3.3 8 1 0 0

You can guess who's who.

BigChiefFan 12-28-2009 09:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brock (Post 6387083)
I'm okay with Bryant. He's explosive. Rather have Spiller though.

They're both damn good players. Spiller is a phenomenal talent, but with Charles, I would say that's the one position, we'll probably avoid, taking in the first round. I like HB, M. Hardesty in the 4th round.

The two 2nd rounders give us ALOT of flexibility, to move up or down and we should end up with some quality players. This draft is alot deeper and there's some top-tier talent at the top.


I keeping seeing Dez Bryant game, translating as the next Andre Johnson.

Mr. Laz 12-28-2009 09:11 PM

im pretty sure Haley will want 2 new wide receivers next year .... at least. ROFL

Brock 12-28-2009 09:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6387109)
2007 43 622 14.5 39 6 2 16 8.0 9 0 0 0
2008 87 1480 17.0 80 19 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
2009 17 323 19.0 46 4 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0

2007 54 676 12.5 56 2 32 158 4.9 23 0 0 0
2008 67 1055 15.7 54 3 23 101 4.4 17 2 0 0
2009 38 490 12.9 58 2 7 23 3.3 8 1 0 0

You can guess who's who.

Why don't you just tell us, instead of trying to prove how smart you are.

Mecca 12-28-2009 09:14 PM

Bryant's the first one I thought it was obvious with the 87 catch year. No one is catching 87 balls with Juice Williams.

Dez Bryant is not Andre Johnson either, Andre Johnson was a perfect prospect physically he was 6'3 230 with a 4.3 40.

DeezNutz 12-28-2009 09:14 PM

I'm not anti-Bryant, but he's not remotely close to being Andre Johnson.

SAUTO 12-28-2009 09:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6387109)
2007 43 622 14.5 39 6 2 16 8.0 9 0 0 0
2008 87 1480 17.0 80 19 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
2009 17 323 19.0 46 4 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0

2007 54 676 12.5 56 2 32 158 4.9 23 0 0 0
2008 67 1055 15.7 54 3 23 101 4.4 17 2 0 0
2009 38 490 12.9 58 2 7 23 3.3 8 1 0 0

You can guess who's who.

lol thanks though. ill take the first as bryant, hes more explosive imo and it shows in the avg gain
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Mecca 12-28-2009 09:16 PM

Calvin Johnson you could have compared to Andre Johnson, Dez Bryant, no.

SAUTO 12-28-2009 09:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6387127)
Calvin Johnson you could have compared to Andre Johnson, Dez Bryant, no.

how big is dez?
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ChiefaRoo 12-28-2009 09:19 PM

Round #1 - playmaker on O
Round 2a - Center
Round 2B - MLB


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