Haley 12/30 presser
 

TODD HALEY: “Started our preparations today for Denver, a division opponent that’s a very good team. Hasn’t been too long ago that they took it to us pretty good. So, it’s a chance to kind of correct some of the things that went on in that game. It’s a great opportunity on the road to take another step as a team.

“Offensively, they have two backs, one that’s close to a 1,000 (yards) and who is a rookie (Knowshon Moreno) and looks like he’s going to be real good back and (Correll) Buckhalter who has over 600 (yards), so two guys who can really run the football. They’ve got a bunch of talented receivers starting with (Brandon) Marshall and (Eddie) Royal, (Brandon) Stokely. They’ve got a tight end who hurt us in the last game. They’ve got a very good offensive line that the last time we played them clearly won the line of scrimmage.

“Defensively, they’re a well-coached group that creates a bunch of problems with multiple looks, multiple fronts and not strictly a three-four (alignment). They play some even fronts, over, under, bunch of different pressures from both sides, very good corners. It’s going to take our best to compete with these guys.

“Special teams: another opportunity for us to get clicking a game in all three phases and beat a division opponent on the road.”

Q: How important is this game for Matt Cassel and his development? The last time these two teams played it was one of his worst games.

HALEY: “I’ll reiterate again, that as far as quarterbacks go this is still a guy who is getting close to getting two years under his belt. Every game is an opportunity for him to grow and this just happens to be a very good defense and a very difficult atmosphere. It is an opportunity but each week Matt is excited and works hard. He’s into it and is super competitive. I feel like we’ve made some progress here of late and it’s another chance for us to take another step for us as an offense and for him to take a step as our quarterback.”

Q: What area or player this year has made the greatest progress?

HALEY: “I think one of them is pretty obvious: Jamaal [Charles] has really made big steps. When you talk about that since November only one guy has had more rushing yards than him and that’s Chris Johnson that’s pretty good. Now, we can’t put him in Canton yet. It’s only been a handful of games. Part of being a good player in this league is doing it consistently over a period of time. That’s just where Jamaal is at.

“That said, there are a bunch of guys without going into detail that I feel like have made big strides. But if you pin me down I’d say Jamaal is the more obvious.”

Q: What is the one phase that hasn’t progressed the way you had hoped it would?

HALEY: “I think there’s been progress in all areas. But the next step for us as a team – and a team never stays the same adding and subtracting players here before too long – is we’ve got to start playing complete games in all three phases before too long. When we do that we’ll be in more games and the more games we’re in the more we’ll win because we’re going to continue to work on being a smart team and one that makes good decisions. That would be my main point: getting all three phases working together.”

Q: Has there been one game this year that all three phases worked together?

HALEY: “I think the Steelers game. I think we played real well together as a team. It wasn’t perfect and there were things we could have done better or more efficiently. I would say that in that game we played at a pretty high level in all areas.”



Q: How has your defensive line progressed or has it not progressed as much as you would have liked?

HALEY: “It has been up and down and that’s what we have to eliminate. We need to get a group there that can hang in there week-in and week-out and when they’re a little off then have some guys that make up for them. We’ve had some games where they’ve really played solid, even last game [vs. Cincinnati] where the front seven did a really good job throughout the game. They had only two or three plays they’d like to have back. The smaller that number gets the better. That’s really where we’re at as a whole.”

Q: Should it be further along than it is?

HALEY: “There again we need to be further along in general. That’s what we’re working at. We have another game to take a step and see where we’re at and then we’re quickly going to be into the off-season and working at it again and trying to do all the things you need to do to be a good team.

“Like I said, the team won’t stay the same. We’ll have some additions and subtractions and we just have to keep adding to the competition. All the same things we said a year ago are really going to have to be said. To be further along at this point would be the idea.”

Q: Would you see adding to the defensive line as a next step?

HALEY: “No different for all spots. If we’ve got a chance to improve or improve competition we’re going to do it. I know Scott [Pioli] is going to do it. I think that’s when you’re a good team, when nobody feels satisfied or comfortable and right now we’re 15 games through that process. I’d like to be sitting here with more wins because I definitely think there are some games there – seven games [that were lost] of seven points or less – that could have been… They’re not 20 plays, they’re two or three plays in each phase that if we do execute something a little cleaner we may get wins. But we’re still not happy. We wouldn’t be happy sitting here with six wins. I’d feel the same exact way that I feel right now because the idea of that is to have the chance to play in the Super Bowl and right now we don’t.”

Q: Have you figured out why the inability to score in the first quarter?

HALEY: “I think this has been a difficult task again, and I’m not making excuses for these guys because they don’t want any excuses made for them. But we made major changes; we’ve done a lot of things. What I think is important now is we’re making progress. Even these last few games we’ve started more positive than we did earlier. Is it good enough? No, clearly not. But I don’t have any regrets about the things we’ve done. I think it’s all happened for a reason. As I said, it’s going to get better and we’re going to be a good team. But you’re got to take your lumps sometimes. The [teams] that haven’t taken their lumps are few and far between that I know of. The teams that have started with everything’s golden and everybody’s happy I don’t know when you’re starting from ground zero. I know there have been growing pains for a lot of different teams and a lot of different staffs, a lot of organizations in general. We’re in that process right now. They’re going to be character builders for us and be what makes us a great team.”

Q: One of your goals was to establish a new mindset or attitude for this organization. Do you feel that’s been done?

HALEY: “Again, it comes down to wins and losses. I know it’s gets old when you say we’re making progress, but I’m the one out there and I’m the one that sees them. We just lined up today in the 16th week of the season and ran gassers and they’re running hard and they practiced hard today, they’re communicating, they’re here on time regardless of the weather conditions and working together to do the things necessary to be a good team. That’s progress from the inside.”

I hope we can make even more progress this off season by bringing in Cowher.

I lol'd

Man, Haley is in full scale denial.

An entire year of not a single first quarter TD = incompetent game planning and play calling.

As much as i want to hear him say, "Our QB is regressing and making terrible decisions and displaying terrible accuracy. He is costing us games. We will consider other options next year." he cannot and should not say it.

Why does Haley begin every sentence with "As I said...", or "To reiterate..." or "Again,..."? He sounds annoyed to have to answer more than one question.

On a positive note, he only used the word "progress" 5 times this press conference, and "process" 2 times. So he is cutting back on his catch phrases.

Do you think he has any choice, and keep his job? Cassel is bought and paid for, he has to make the most out of it.

What is he supposed to say? SEriously. He's supposed to throw Cassel under the bus? **** no. That's what these message boards are for. Not head coaches.

Has he really progressed or was he just not being used because fairy johnson was being played despite playing like crap!

No but it's a damn shame that they went from bringing in an "experienced guy with 16 games under his belt" to "he's only played less than two season" in the same year.

Agreed.:thumb:
He wont dare throw Cassel under the bus,much the same way Vermeil always made Trent's ints someone else's fault.

Haley isn't looking for a scapegoat, which separates him from a lot of Chiefs fans.

Both those are both truths. Cassel does have experience in the league, but as a starter just two seasons basically. And let's not forget that he's in a new system.

Look I'm not making excuses for the guy, his deep ball accuracy is the worst I've seen in a long time. But he's also had what looks to be an NFL record in terms of number of drops too. So while his long ball accuracy his been shit, I'm sure we have a few more wins and he's got a better QB rating and looks better if you just cut the drops IN HALF.

My Lord, it's his first season taking a team that totaled 15 wins in 3 seasons under Herm. I think it's going to take some time, REGARDLESS of who the head coach is.

No some of the dipshits here think that Cowher could come in next year and we'd go .500 and that just isn't going to fuggin happen. Not with Cowher or Shanahan or anyone else.

It's never been about the record to the people bitching the most.

It's been about seeing progress.

Most of us expected 3-4 wins. But we wanted to see the team, and some individuals get better as the season goes on - including the coach and his decision making.

That hasn't happened.

We've learned something positive about two players this year. One was the placekicker, and the other sat the bench or was inactive until LJ ran his mouth.

We're very literally starting over, yet again.

I think cutting the drops would make a difference but I don't necessarily believe that it would lead to more wins.

It's going to be difficult to win many games with a defense that consistently gives up 500 yards per outing.

Because of the progress we've made under Haley. Duh.

Two coaching staffs and pretty similar results tell me it's more about talent right now than coaching.

AS far as improvements, the O-line has improved the last 5-6 weeks, Dorsey has had a really good season, as has Tamba. You're not going to see improvements everywhere on a team devoid of this much talent.

I'd agree with this statement if the talent was exactly the same. It wasn't. A few new defensive linemen, a few new linebackers, and a few new safeties. The end result was a defense worse than last year's version.

Last year's offense, after switching to the spread, was far more effective than this year's offense. Only one holdover receiver, new players on the right side of the line and a new starting QB.

Yet, the offense took a step backwards.

The offensive line has "improved" not through continuity and consistency but through better players. Wade Smith should have been starting somewhere all year, Alleman is better than Waters and Richardson is better than O'Callaghan and Ndukwe (yet Alleman and Richardson are on the bench. Again).

Dorsey was good last year but most people wouldn't or couldn't see it. Hali has been the same: Decent in pass rushing situations, horrific in the run game.

Pioli has brought in somewhere around 47 new players now. Wouldn't you think we'd some improvements somewhere?

Anywhere?

Not really. He was hired late and the FA pool was shit to say the least. Again I have always believed every first year guy gets a mulligan. If shit starts repeating itself, then we have a problem.

half of them drops were caught we would have another 2 wins or so. Chambers cost us a game with just 1 drop, but i am not going to crucify the dude, he's been rock sold since we got him, but how many timely drops have we had? Alot were easy easy catches that the WR just was not focused on.

I am all for getting rid of Cassel. I dont think he's a starting qb in the NFL. see what happens this offseason. He may be fired he may not. I doubt it though. I think Pioli will give him another year.

lets not forget to mention that the coaching staff was peiced together cause everyone else worthy of anything had been hired. Lets not forget the fact that Clancy was a fallback to the DC if they couldnt get who they wanted which i assume its safe to say it was Crennel.

Again, like i said in the post above. lets see what the offseason brings. Whatever direction they go, i am ok with it, cause well, i dont have a choice. lol

I don't really buy the "hired late" excuse.

Do you really think that if he'd been hired a couple of weeks sooner, he'd have put together a more competent staff?

I don't. Those guys had all worked together in various places. They're his boys.

As for free agency, the Chiefs really didn't make an effort. And their draft proved that they either were willing to ignore their glaring needs or were unaware of their glaring needs.

We as fans don't have a choice as to whether or not Haley deserves a mulligan but I for one hope that if he's given a chance to return, it's not Frank Gansz circa 1988 all over again.

I think you'll see a big turnover in coaching staff and a OC hired. I think that alone will help a lot. Add in some WR's in FA and linebackers/safety and this team could easily go .500 next season or better.

It could. His actions in regards to his coaching staff will be a telltale sign.

I don't think there will be any "real" help available through free agency due to the uncapped year.

So Pioli will need a draft like the 2007 New York Giants to even have a chance to improve on their 2009 record.

The Chiefs now have several players that would be on the practice squad for other teams. There is a significant void in talent. I'm excited for free agency/drafting this year as I'm hoping some of the gaping holes at LB, S, and OL are addressed (Oline in my opinion is the least important of those 3). Throw in some a couple fresh WRs that can hopefully catch a ball (I'm a fan of A. Bryant who is an impending free agent) and we'll have some progress.

If you really think Cowher would have came in this year and won 6 or more games, I think you're mistaken. Maybe some of us are blind since we're all Chiefs fans, let's use the Lions or Rams as an example. Would Cowher have miraculously turned those teams around too? Remember, it took Cowher 14 years to win a Super Bowl...

He's the most expensive GM in the league, assuming the reports are true.

Thus, why shouldn't he live up to his contract, just as some have expressed regarding Cassel?

Why should the Executive of the Century need a mulligan?

Because he hired the local golf pro to be his head coach?


:D

waaaaaaaaaaambulance

Would you like to contribute to the discussion in a substantive way? Offer a counter-argument and support it with evidence?

lol, its like saying, ok, so NBC fired Ben Silverman and the next guy is going to turn it around fast. ya, thats not happening. Though NBC does hold my favorite TV show. lol

he used to, he gave that up a long time ago. He would get so upset he would delete his account and leave for a bit. lol

Now he just throws in 1 worders. lol There are some threads i want to post in, but then i think about what i am going to say and go, its not worth it. People are going to be bitchy because thats who they are. You will not change it, so why even argue with it.

Just like a political or religious debate. No one wins, sometimes its good to read, but still no one wins.

substantive discussion? like golf smack?

what a load of crap...realistic people didn't expect much this season..realistic people know that they gotta hit big this draft and next season to have a hope of retaining the already dwindling fanbase.

counter argument?...what you want the Chiefs to do and what the Chiefs will do will ALWAYS be two different things. the fact that you guys come here almost every single day repeating the same negative crap doesn't prove shit, other than you appear to not handle adversity very well.

I wonder if this the only area where you spend so much energy on something you absolutley have no control over.

What's a load of crap? Asking someone to contribute in a substantive manner? Ok.

Golf smack? I assume you're alluding to Dane, but I'd say he's offered a bit more in this very thread.

Yes, a counter-argument. It makes no difference whether or not the talk here ends up being rather meaningless in the big scheme of things. It's a venue to talk sports and think critically. Stress on the latter.

The negativity seems to be the big issue here. Sorry, but this has been, arguably, the single worst organization in the NFL for several years now. The "big get" from last year has been woeful. So there's not too much to smile about.

Regarding things I have no-limited control over: I'm pretty interested in politics, history, and the weather.

uhuh...the same arguments go round and round...most of the time anyone tries to find a positive, it gets assaulted... look no further than braincase's thread.

...critical thinking doesn't involve cutting down the HC, the GM and owner on a personal level.

if you don't think they are worth a shit and continue to hang around, that's on you.

I'll always be a Chiefs fan, just as I'll always be a Royals fan.

The organizations (and the city they represent) are far bigger than any collection of players, coaches, or GMs.

And the vast majority of the criticisms of Pioli and Haley are not personal.

Everything that needs to be said has been said thousands of times over. WE all know we suck. People want this guy gone, and if you dont agree, your blind, or if your Dane, you just curse at everyone under the sun and tell them they are idiots.

Chiefs suck, we have a losing culture around here for a few years now. Previous regime killed this franchise. He built it back up and killed it before he left. Now a first year coach and a first year GM are trying to rebuild Rome in less then a year. Not happening.

Even if they arent successful as a duo, whoever it was that was going to be brought in here was going to struggle and struggle bad. Its not like they were going to adapt their scheme to the players. There was no reason for that this year. We ****ing have little to no talent in alot of area's. I am ok with them wanting and forcing their way here right now. Let me see what they can do when they can get most of their guys that have some talent in the right spots.

It looks like complete ass right now. No one is saying its not, but everyone pretty much expected a shitty team from the beginning of the year. We have improved in some area's. Offensive line has improved running game has improved. Their hands may have been forced a little bit, but so what. I hope there is a few more things they are forced into and work out better for the team.

If you study the league, you'll find that many of the most historically successful franchises are the ones with continuity at HC and front office leadership. Being hired late isn't an excuse ... it's a fact. Besides, that isn't the point. The point is that this organization has drafted very poorly for the last 20 years ... since DT, actually.

The sad fact is that it will take time to build this team into a winner. Haley hasn't had the time and, as a rookie, it will be exponentially more difficult for him. I say we dial down the hate and give the guy some time. He's pretty well respected in the league and there's a reason for it. His goal has been publicly and repeatedly stated; he wants to build a team that competes for the playoffs and the Super Bowl year in and year out. Frankly, that should be pretty exciting for fans. Of course, to get there will entail pain and lots of it, but I'd much rather have a guy like Haley than any other coach we've had since Marty. We know what he wants to do ... let's sit back and see if he can actually do it.

We need a solid playmaker or two on both sides of the ball, either develop Cassel or find somebody else, and fill in with role players who can execute consistently. That's really about it and shouldn't be terribly difficult to accomplish ... but it can't be done in one season.

FAX

With all due respect, Mr. FAX, NO ONE was expecting this to be turned around in one season.

NO ONE.

But progress was expected, and we're not seeing it - even after Pioli/Haley brought in 45+ new players, over half of whom are starters.

I don't care if Haley had been hired in May, it's nearly impossible in the NFL to bring in this many players and have only one of them make any impact, or even be an upgrade over the player they replaced. (Chambers)

It took LJ mouthing off to have anything to look forward to in 2010.

That isn't rebuilding.

those statements are pretty ironic, considering you have an avatar dedicated to putting him in a negative light.

I'm sure you're a big fan of your wife..you cut her down everyday when she doesn't meet your expectations?

btw, LJ didn't get cut because of twitter. LJ got cut because he was a lockerroom cancer who was given numerous chances and inevitably exposed his true colors.

You keep making an assumption that a mulligan is needed. That's been the faulty premise of a lot of the complainers from almost the beginning.

Progress has been obvious to anyone who's bothered to look.

I guess we'll just have to disagree on this, Mr. OnTheWarpath58, because I see it very differently.

Frankly, it was almost miraculous to get three wins out of this team, in my opinion. We barely won that many in the last two years combined. Plus, we fielded an entirely new defensive scheme this year and featured a quarterback who is about as accurate as a blind, one-legged monkey with Tourette's and a hangover.

As for Charles, it's no different than hundreds of other players throughout the league ... sometimes, when a guy gets his chance, he makes the most of it. I see his development as a positive ... not a negative.

People have the right to like or dislike Haley and I don't presume to try and change people's minds about him. But, as his self-appointed apologist and a homer of the first order, I do feel it's necessary to chime in with an alternate point of view on occasion.

FAX

My avatar represents nothing more than Haley's own actions. And it's meant to be funny. If Haley didn't want to be associated with such actions, he could have prevented it.

The analogy is ridiculous, comparing a personal relationship to a business.

And your language? I'm not cutting anyone down. It's not personal. I could care less if anyone within the organization is a "good guy." My criticisms of the regime are based on viable, provable evidence.

How did LJ "inevitably expose his true colors"? Was there much doubt about this before? Twitter just made it impossible to carry on the joke of "the right 53." LJ cut himself.

Please, Mr. Pioli ball-washer, tell us about progress.

First number is 2009.


Points per game: 16.7, 18.2

Points against per game: 26.7, 27.5

Total yards per game: 288, 308

Total yards against per game: 380, 393

Passing yards per game: 181, 195

Passing yards against per game: 219, 234

Rushing yards per game: 107, 113

Rushing yards against per game: 161, 158


Progress my ass.

It's a process.

And FWIW, they played an easier schedule this year compared to last year.

.535 > .520

The statistics are damning and paint a very depressing picture.

Amazing that finding the positives is arduous work.

I heard Haley do a Herm quote during the last press conference. How many games were lost by 7 points or less?

I hate hearing that from either one of them, but I clearly feel this team is headed in a better direction than it was a year ago.

And this is the crux of the disagreement.

For the most part, the underlined has to be based on little more than hope because the evidence simply isn't there.

And I haven't seen nearly enough for a gut feeling to sway the far more imposing evidence to the contrary.

Sure, I'll be happy to.

Better play from the LT, and the RT
Better running game
Better work at wideout when they are all together
Better play from the DEs
Better play from some of the linebackers

That's progress. You people who think that having a car with 53 parts, 45+ of which are broken, and upgrading 5-10 of those broken parts while trying to tread water with the rest is going to suddenly make the car run first in NASCAR races are just being ridiculous. I noted early on that the progress might not show up in wins:

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showt...ns#post5808969

The problem with you, and so many of the other complainers, is that you don't think about the overall scope of the problem, and you focus your bitching on things that are contingent upon improvements elsewhere. There was no way that the team was going to be able to fix every problem in 1 or 2 seasons, yet the bitching has been almost non-stop.

Games lost by 7 points or less is a valid thing to talk about. It falls right in line with the message about focus and limiting mistakes that Haley's pushed all year. Dropped passes, picks, big plays allowed by the d - cut down one or two mistakes in every game and it could have been a different season, even with a roster as bad as this one. Hopefully that message gets across eventually.

As valid as it was last year, when we lost 7 games by 7 points or less?

And JPB, that list, starting with the improved play by Albert, which has to be a joke, is...well...

lol, them stats dont mean anything and i will tell you why. We let go alot of the people they didnt want in this organization. They tore down what was originally being built here and started from 0. Herm was already in the process. I actually think he was in year 2 cause he knew in year 2 this team was going to be complete ass.

They went with what Herm's vision was and COMPLETELY scrapped it and went back to the drawing board. With Lesser talent then last year we still won more games. We are probably a little worse then last year as a whole, but like i said, they scrapped whatever it was he was Herm was trying to do.

I would throw in Hali & Dorsey with that, neither is dominant as yet but both have shown a level of progress through the year at brand new positions.

It's an indictment of Pioli's and his talent evaluating abilities, though he sure loves to place accountability every else except QB.

"Improvement is needed in all areas of our team"

that's what I would have said as coach, when dealing with a 3-12 situation.

Well, it is not an easy slam dunk, for sure.

But from memory, Herm took the team from 2nd in the NFL on offense to 16 his first year, then made it all the way to 32nd before getting fired.

His defense actually got worse, and nobody expected that.

If you want facts on one guy, you have to look at them the same way on the other guy.

Lets see what happens now with a full off season.

With the exception of Dorsey, every single thing you posted is bullshit.

Albert has regressed, O'Callaghan is no better than McIntosh.

The running game is not better, as shown in the stats. We're averaging 6 fewer yards.

Bowe has regressed severely, and Wade is no upgrade. Chambers, as I've said, is.

Dorsey seems to be growing into his new role, but Jackson looks abysmal, and the yards allowed numbers show the weakness of this team is the front 7.

Which leads to the LB's, who have been ****ing pathetic. Hali has shown he can rush the passer standing upright, but is still a huge liability against the run, just like the other 3.

But please, keep sucking off the Executive of the Decade.

I completely agree. Both have to be evaluated the same way.

The offense declined due to age and severe lack of foresight on the part of CP. This does NOT absolve Herm of all blame.

The defensive failings, however, are primarily at his feet, and they're reason #1 for why he's not here now. And this is a good thing.

No, it's not. Again, this is where you complainers go off the rails. You've been blaming things on Cassel that aren't Cassel's issue. Frankly, while it's been somewhat amusing to watch the absurdities fly, it's been a pathetic display on the part of those making it.

Cassel isn't the running back corps that couldn't run the ball worth a damn for much of the season. He's not the wide receiver corps dropping record numbers of passes. He's not the offensive line that couldn't hold a block for more than 2 seconds for a fair part of the season. He's not the one who got suspended for 4 games, and it's not his fault that the TE position couldn't catch a cold in a room full of rhinoviruses.

Whether you and the rest of the complainers care to admit it, those things have an enormous impact upon how successful the QB can be, in immediate play issues, in follow up play issues, and in long term developments. A dropped pass on 2nd down means a longer pass needed for 3rd down, which decreases the success rate, a failed drive then means more pressure the next time, and so on down the road.

Cassel certainly hasn't been stellar, and he's not without blame when evaluating the struggles of the team, but some of you people have been morons on the QB issue since even before the season began.

Was Johnson running better than his replacement?
Are you claiming Albert is playing worse now that at the beginning of the year?
You're seriously claiming that McIntosh was playing as well as O'Callaghan?
Is the receiving corps as currently constituted a lesser group than what began the year?
You concede Dorsey and then make that idiotic statement about yards allowed as if it means something?
You think that Hali hasn't improved over the course of the season?


Thanks for showing just how much of an idiot you are.

Albert and O'Callaghan are improving, and on the upswing. You know Albert has had to change in order to improve, and he is doing it. The whole offensive line has improved dramatically.


The running game is dramatically on the upswing, surely you see that. I don't give a **** what any numbers may say for the whole year, **** that.


Bowe missed four games from breaking the rules, sorry, it is what it is. I am thinking he will be a TE hybrid slot guy next year. Too bad he doesn't have
Tony to take the heat off of him anymore.

Poor decision making which is due to his indecisiveness, that's my biggest gripe and his greatest flaw. The guy is 27 years old, a 5 year NFL vet this shouldn't be an issue.

Yep, and the locking on to his receivers part. Just once I would like to see him hint at looking off a defender, just once.

JFC.... he's got insufficient time to make a full read of the field because of the O-line. He can't throw to his tight ends, because they can't catch a ****ing thing. He can't throw to his wideouts without wondering if:

a.) They'll drop the ****ing thing

b.) They'll bother to make the effort if the throw's not perfect

c.) The receivers that have spent most of the season being unable to find separation will actually give him a window to throw into

and you bitch about indecisiveness? For ****'s sake, if you'd bother to actually look at the team from a reasonable perspective instead of just looking to bitch, you'd see where the issues are, how they impact in the long and short term, and where they'd lead to fallout that can't be dealt with until the offseason.

Shit, I'm not even a Chiefs fan and I can see progress on this currently awful team, but you clowns can't see a damned thing because you're too busy pissing and moaning about every little thing you can find, and it's largely because the team took an approach you didn't like, regardless of its likely long term success or failure.

You had to know the team would be bad this season. Why the **** would you watch week after week and just turn around and bitch about every ****ing thing? What the **** good does that do anyone? Looking at the negatives is fine when you're analyzing from an unbiased position and also looking at the positives, but you clearly aren't doing that.

Bullshit, the line has greatly improvwed and he has had ample time to make a correct read, he's indecisive which has lead to sacks and INTs.

It's absolutely improving. So why did we waste so much time with Mr. 2.7 YPC?

Many on this board were saying that it was clear that LJ was NOT the best back in the pre-season. For example, milkman said this multiple times--so did OTW and myself, but, alas...

I don't want to hear about fumbles, since they're still a concern with Charles. What we're seeing is that what he brings to the game far outweighs his negatives.

Too bad Haley wasn't able to see this sooner.

milkman for HC.

You continue to prove my comments about you correct.

Ladies and gentlemen, Todd Haley posts here.

What are those exactly? Please regale me

Anyone and I mean anyone that is going to pimp the improvement of the running game, quickly answer why Jamaal Charles couldn't get on the field till Larry Johnson essentially did whatever he had to do to get off the team?

That situation right there should surely make everyone feel comfortable that the Chiefs are putting the best players on the field...

I have not seen anyone give a decent answer to this question.

Fumbles.

That's the company line. Never mind that this is still an issue. Close your eyes and pretend it's fixed because otherwise it becomes increasingly difficult to believe that the people in charge know what the **** they're doing.

Now, see... this is a legitimate gripe. I can't give you an answer, although it's easy to speculate.

If anything Charles coming in and showing he can play has actually made the ineptness of Cassel even more brutally obvious.

Now he has the 2nd leading rusher in the NFL since week 10 behind him and his play has gotten worse.

Fumbles piss off coaches. Feel free to ask Maroney about it after his benching this past weekend.

I don't know if fumbles is the reason, and it would be just speculation to claim it was, but it is a major issue for a lot of teams and coaches.

The team's #1 WR was missing for the Pittsburgh, San Diego, Denver and Buffalo games, and Cassel & the offense was fine against Cleveland, but Charles is supposedly proving the ineptness?

What he's proving is that you're an idiot.

Why is it anytime Barry Richardson plays he's far superior to O'Callaghan yet O'Callaghan continues to play?