We are not taking a QB in the first round
 

Just the official thread stating it. I'm not sure why some of you are already blowing this horn.

Just keep reading the title of this thread until it ****ing sinks in.

And I'm not even a Cassel fan, but he's going to be given more than 1 season to show he is or is not the guy.

I know all the bullshit arguments that will come forth.

"He's not a rookie, he's a seasoned vet" blah blah ****ing blah. I don't give a shit. I'm talking about reality. They gave him 60 mil. Even if Cassel never improves on this season (which I actually think he will, even if I'm not a fan), GM's don't admit to failures that quickly. Pioli will give him every chance to prove that he's right. He drafted him, he signed him to a 60 million dollar contract. Those of you you think that Pioli is going to turn right around and draft a QB with our first pick are ****ing morons. Yes, you are. It's ENTIRELY out of the question so please stop wasting discussion time with it.

Thank you and have a nice new years day.

But I have no patience...

/CP

You're right. I could also see Pioli spending the rest of his career trying to prove he can catch lightning in a bottle by getting another 6th round HOF'er.

Wait! We're not trading up to 1 to take Clausen?:banghead:ROFL

What if Charlie Weis becomes our OC?

They didn't give him $60mil...He got something like $28mil and a contract worth $60mil. Big difference. After 2010 we can kick him to the curb if we wish. LOL I'm not on the Clausen bandwagon really but I don't think it would be totally out of the question if Pioli and his scouts think Clausen is truely a franchise QB for us to pick him.

PhilFree:arrow:

I agree, especially when we have other major holes

This

I like Clausen too. He comes from a pro system.

Do you guys think they'll just cut Cassel or have him compete with Clausen?

still, no.

If they draft Clausen, I think Cassel is the QB next year until at least Thanksgiving or so. Then depending how the team is doing would dictate who finishes the year out under center.

Cassel cant compete with Clausen,but thats a battle we wont have to worry about seeing.

Our hope is that someone else covets a QB and is stupid enough to trade up for our pick so that we can add another 2nd round pick.

Based on what? Weis knows both QB's. If he wants Clausen over Cassel... :shrug:

Just saying man. If Weis comes on board I wouldn't rule Clausen out.

I know we are not taking one...

and this franchise will continue to suffer for it.

See... most of these Cassel can't make.

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Why are those guys catching the ball? :hmmm:

I think Cassell will probably be cut on Monday, maybe Tuesday.

Sometime before the SB at least....

Most?Pfft.How dare you!!:cuss:
ROFL
I'll give the kid one thing,he throws way better on the move than I thought.Just think,if we give Cassel 100 mil in OL,60 mil in WR,and 20-30 mil in TE help he should be fine.ROFL

If Pioli thinks that a qb is worth the pick... he will get picked. It isn't like Cassel is playing lights out.

Do I think they draft a QB? Nope. But, in sports there are no absolutes.

Maybe before the start of the 2nd half against the Broncos.

If Claussen falls to the 6th round, I think Pioli takes him.

Our team is $3it.

Right now it's a fight between the punter, kicker, and Charles as to who's the best current Chiefs player.

When the draft comes you trade down or draft the BAA.

Period.

No, it won't be QB. If more than one (if that) is taken in the 1st I'd be shocked.

Try for the trade down (it won't be there) and then draft the BAA.

Only if we have 2 6th rounders.:D

:hmmm:




never say never :evil:

:D I'm working it! How about this one? Charlie Weis becomes our OC, and we take Clausen in the first and Golden Tate in the second. :)

Pioli/the Pats showed the propensity of taking late round flyers on QB's when they already had an established QB, so I guess the question would be is there anyone in the late rounds worth taking (although based on the state of the Chiefs, I doubt this is the year they do that with so many holes on the team)...

ROFL

i bet Golden Tate gives Haley wood ... i'm talking mahogany, maybe teak.

So no one sees bringing in Weis as a slap in Haley's face? Trust me I definitely think we need a OC,but isn't that where Haley got all his hype and cred?Just seems like a step back for Haley to me,and Weis might eat him if he cusses at him on the sideline.ROFL

Ipe.

so which receiver would give Haley snakewood? :)

eryngium yuccifolium :D

It doesn't matter if it's 60 mil or 28 mil. You're missing the big picture as a lot of people here are.

We gave up a 2nd rounder and a starters salary to Cassel JUST THIS PAST SEASON. WE AREN'T DRAFTING A QB IN FIRST ROUND.

Yes, it's out of the ****ing question. I'm not sure what it is about this that you and others aren't getting.

Fans are too MF'ing impatient. Fact is people saying dumb shit like "yes and this franchise will continue to suffer from it" have their heads shoved up their ass. These are the same reeruns that wanted to trade Dorsey this past offseason and already declared him a bust. Even if we did draft a QB if he wasn't playing like Manning by the end of the season they'd just declare him another bust.

And posting up highlights of college QB's throws is so galactically stupid it's hard to comprehend. Ryan Leaf has some bad ass college highlights too. Who gives a ****? In college guys are open by 5-10 yards. In the NFL guys are almost never that open. So it's irrelevant.

Patience 'IS NOT' a virture with many of the planeteers here but keep the "common sense" coming. Until Cassel can have a time to make a 3 step drop without having a hand on him "NO QB" in the NFL does anybetter(including Brady,Brees and Manning). Does anybody really think those 3 would have done any better with this yr's Chiefs O-line and Chiefs receivers? Seriously???????

We need "TRENCH HELP" on both sides of the ball and at least 1 pair of good hands, PERIOD!!!!!!!

Just like the Chargers aren't drafting Philip Rivers.

Yes I do. I would take Aaron Rodgers in a heartbeat over Cassel. And those two are nearly identical in every way as far as their career goes. Both have shitty O-lines. Rodgers>>>>>>Cassel

And I didn't see the Jets/Colts game, but IIRC, someone said the Colts O-line looked like swiss cheese whitout Manning at the controls.

Talk about comparing an apples and orange scenario. They didn't know if Brees would even be playing the following season. So barring some kind of career ending injury to Cassel this weekend, we aren't taking a QB in the first round, if at all.

Second, Brees was not drafted by AJ Smith. So do your homework before posting some this stupid.

The Guardian is essentially saying that if Carl can give Elvis Grbac 4 years (and offer him an extension to boot, which he turned down which led to trading for Trent Green), while dumping what turned out to be the league MVP for him, then Pioli is going to give Cassel another year...

And it's funny but Cassel put up great numbers last year when he had WR's that didn't drop the ball didn't he?

Again, I'm no Cassel fan, but anyone saying he sucks because of this season went full reerun.

Cassel has has plenty of time to drop and make reads.

Sort of.

I'm saying that Pioli traded a 2nd rounder for him and gave him "28 million" just this past offseason. GM's, EVEN GOOD ONES, generally are in no hurry to admit a mistake or give up on a guy too soon. Cassel has shown that he CAN play at a high level, he just didn't behind a make shit line and throwing to WR's with concrete hands.

:thumb:

He has the last few weeks. The first 3/4ths of the season? Not so much.

Whatever the Chiefs do, you can nearly guarantee it will be a mistake.

It was an absolute certainty that the Chargers were drafting QB in the first.

They had all but given up on Brees.

The fact is, the only reason Brees even got the opportunity to play that season is because of Rivers late arrival to camp.

And Brees was not the Brees everyone knows now at that time. In fact, he'd been pretty awful up to that point.

Give cassel another year...then if he continues along the suck path...draft Locker next year...he's the only QB I'd want anyways

So you are actually making a case for Cassel? You know, don't give up on Matt to soon!

Cassel will get at minimum another year. I don't have a problem with bringing in a vet to push him, but we aren't drafting a guy in the first. I'm not sure what part of that some of you don't understand.

OK, let's say we improve the defense some and the offense some this off-season. And let's say our record improves to 6-10. How in the heck are you going to get Locker if he is projected to be the 1st overall pick in the draft. And I say that because many were saying he would have/will... went/go #1 this year.

He didn't enter the draft because he was told by the draft advisory he was a second round pick...

Casserly said last week on the CBS pregame show that it is not set in stone that Locker was going back to Washington.

:thumb::thumb::thumb: And by the time you get to the last 1/4 of the season and actually start getting 'a little time' to throw you are so "sack shocked/running for your life shocked that you don't trust the protection in front of you that you actually are getting and have a tendency to be still in PTSD mode as any QB in the NFL would(including Brady,Brees and Manning).

Charlie-W is a beaten down & Broken man.IMO you dont want this guy or the fricken QB form ND either

I agree to a certain extent here.

Pioli is not going to give up on Cassel after one season, so we won't be looking at QB in this draft.

However, some of the things you've discussed are not entirely correct.

Cassel only played well in the spread last year, and in spite of his poor accuracy, because of Moss, the most talented receiver in the game, defenses still had to respect the long ball, even though Cassel couldn't hit those with any consistency.
This allowed Welker to continue to excel, and to get big yac.

I don't see us getting a Randy Moss any time in the near future.

The point is, he hasn't made any real strides, and in fact has stepped backwards, even though he has had protection.

I doubt Charlie W. is either beaten down or broken. He's a multimillionaire who can get an NFL job any time he wants one.

Just because your not a good college HC in no way means your a bad NFL OC.

I agree. Cassel gets happy feet fairly quick now from the beating he took earlier in the season. that's a very real issue with QB's who are behind bad lines for too long. The line has improved but he still doesn't trust them yet. But even with that said, he's got to learn to get rid of the ball quicker. One thing I notice with him is that he waits too long on a pattern to develop where you should be throwing to a spot on the field. One issue there is WR continuity.

So there are a lot of factors going into the suckage by Cassel this season. Which is why I'm perfectly fine waiting to see if improves this offseason with a little better line and WR's.

I am not making a case for Cassel.

I am only pointing out a fact.

While the O-Line hasn't been good throughout much of the season, even early in the season, Cassel still had some time in the pocket far more than people give the O-Line credit for.

He has, from teh start, held the ball too long, and did so with the Patriots early last year until they went to the spread on a far more regular basis.

The O-Line is bad, but Cassel makes them look worse than they actually are.

Brees has never had the accuracy issues that Cassel has.

His problem was his inability to read defenses and make good decisions.

thats very very true. He could be the best thing that ever happened to KC
But you need a sure thing this time.IMO But go ahead & roll the dice. you havent hit a Yahtzee in a long time so i guess the odds are on your side

At least we don't have to worry about these issues.

Matt Cassel was sacked more in his one season as the starter in New England than Tom Brady was/has been in the season prior and after.

And his (Brady's) mobility in the pocket isn't nearly the same this season as it was prior to the knee.

Damn man! You are on a roll! :clap:

Cassel's sack numbers improved dramatically in the second half of last season. Not coincidently, that was after he'd had a few games to get used to playing NFL football, and it was after the starting right guard returned to the lineup. The loss of that same right guard caused major protection problems in the 2007 Super Bowl and in multiple games this season.

He's not Brady, but the sack numbers this season were mostly a product of bad line play combined with the wide receivers' inability to get open.

And this is where we will "agree to disagree". It is the other way around and we will see this in due time.:thumb:

Like we saw it in new england where he was sacked 2.5 times more than Tom Brady?

That decreased sack number surely had nothing to do with the fact that the Patriots went to the spread for a larger percentage of snaps.

And the protection issues in the SB surely had nothing to do with an outstanding, deep defensive line and mobility limited by an ankle.

Thank you:thumb:

Yeah.

Aren't you the dumbass that I argued with about David Carr?

Brees first few seasons were hardly accurate (in comparison to him now)

55%, 60%, 57%

It wasn't until his third season that he became so accurate.

Cassel was a 63% guy last year in New England. This year even with all of the ridiculous amount of drops he's still at 55%. Take away half the drops and he's probably in the 58-59% range. I think he has a long ball accuracy issue. On the short and intermediate routes? No.

He def holds onto the ball too long, however in New England he improved in every category as the season went, including getting sacked. He was sacked 28 times in the first 8 games, and 19 times in the last 8. So the guy got better.

This year he's in a new system, behind a bad line, with no running game early, and WR's who can't catch. If you can't show me a QB who is going to look great with all of those issues let me know. Either way, I'm not a Cassel fan but the guy has had the deck stacked against him for the get go here. I am willing to give the guy another year.

Yeah, of course.

It had nothing to do with the fact that Cassel can't ****ing read a defense and has the propensity to hold onto the ball, or leave the pocket before protection actually breaks down.

Nothin' at all.

And you are the "milktoast" 'WHO' supposedly "KNOWS ALL"???? Are you and Mecca brothers???? Carr's psyche was ruined "hands down" with an outstanding O-line in Houston:rolleyes:

His (Brees) completion percentage wasn't due to a lack of accuracy.

They were due to the fact that he was making bad decisions because of his inability to make good reads.

When he did make good reads, his balls were perfectly placed.

Ummmmmm.... indirectly you are :rolleyes:

I don't know all, but I do know that that same O-Line, with Jordan Black as the only upgrade gave up fewer than half the sacks in Shaub's first season as the starter.

So you'll excuse me if I think your dumb ass is full of shit.

Or you won't.

it's amazing how many people can't read sarcasm on the web