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Kylo Ren 01-03-2010 10:02 PM
The Chiefs need to invest in a competant "thunder" to complement "lightning"......
 
The Chiefs need to find a good "thunder" type of RB to complement Jamaal Charles (lightning). JC is definitely the franchise RB next season. Maybe the offense should be designed around him? But, he can't handle 80+% of the carries. He's too slight of build. Haley needs to invest in a good, big, bruising RB. Charles could take about 65% of the carries, the thunder back could take 25% of the carries and everyone else can account for the other 10%. I think Charles would be more effective by not shouldering the entire load. We want him to last the entire season, not have a great first 10 games and then get worn out or injured.

Thoughts?

RealSNR 01-03-2010 10:04 PM

Draft.
A.
FB.

SPATCH 01-03-2010 10:05 PM
what exactly is being "lightened"?










jk... you're right though, and we could easily find one in the draft methinks

Kylo Ren 01-03-2010 10:06 PM
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Originally Posted by the_spatula (Post 6406192)
what exactly is being "lightened"?










jk... you're right though, and we could easily find one in the draft methinks
.... a spelling error!

Nice catch. I'll fix it.

MMXcalibur 01-03-2010 10:06 PM
Use pick 2a for Toby Gerhart?

chefsos 01-03-2010 10:08 PM
I think we should keep Castille for that thunder arm alone...

Kylo Ren 01-03-2010 10:10 PM
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Originally Posted by chefsos (Post 6406219)
I think we should keep Castille for that thunder arm alone...
That was a moonshot!

Renegade 01-03-2010 10:11 PM
I thought I heard it quacking on the way down.

chiefzilla1501 01-03-2010 10:11 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by John_Wayne (Post 6406180)
The Chiefs need to find a good "thunder" type of RB to complement Jamaal Charles (lightening). JC is definitely the franchise RB next season. Maybe the offense should be designed around him? But, he can't handle 80+% of the carries. He's too slight of build. Haley needs to invest in a good, big, bruising RB. Charles could take about 65% of the carries, the thunder back could take 25% of the carries and everyone else can account for the other 10%. I think Charles would be more effective by not shouldering the entire load. We want him to last the entire season, not have a great first 10 games and then get worn out or injured.

Thoughts?
Agreed. You get a quality Fullback who can carry the ball, and you kill two birds with one stone. And you can easily get that late in the draft.

Between Charles' carries and Thunder back's carries, you have about 5-10 to spare. You don't need an all-pro back to serve that 5-10 role.

Mr. Flopnuts 01-03-2010 10:12 PM
I hope Big Daddy posts the picture. Never did one of your threads more deserve it.

Kylo Ren 01-03-2010 10:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts (Post 6406245)
I hope Big Daddy posts the picture. Never did one of your threads more deserve it.
ROFL

HotRoute 01-03-2010 10:21 PM
screw thunder we need more lightning, if anything we need to take j.best (cal), d.murray (OU), CJSpiller (Clem) or maybe even Mccluster (ol Miss).

why take a thunder back, similar to LJ for him to do the same crap. notice once charles stepped in we played better as a whole unit, mainly due to his speed. so if anything we need another speedster

Kylo Ren 01-03-2010 10:22 PM
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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 6406242)
Agreed. You get a quality Fullback who can carry the ball, and you kill two birds with one stone. And you can easily get that late in the draft.

Between Charles' carries and Thunder back's carries, you have about 5-10 to spare. You don't need an all-pro back to serve that 5-10 role.
Perhaps, but I'm not so sure. I don't think a big FB is the answer. A Brandon Jacobs type of RB is what I have in mind.

Rain Man 01-03-2010 10:38 PM
Thunder? Thunder doesn't kill people. All thunder does is scare dogs. I don't want thunder. I want softball-sized hail and lightning. Or tornados and lightning. You team up tornados with lightning and now you're talking about a lethal combination.

Thunder. Pssh.

KevB 01-03-2010 10:43 PM
Having a threat to take it the distance on every play can make up for other shortcomings IMO. I'd rather find another back with speed and explosiveness to keep JC fresh.

How about Sproles if the Chargers don't sign him? He was franchised this season.

Tribal Warfare 01-03-2010 10:43 PM
how about lightning and a cosmic dwarf? http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:T...WhiteDwarf.jpg

chiefzilla1501 01-03-2010 10:47 PM
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Originally Posted by John_Wayne (Post 6406313)
Perhaps, but I'm not so sure. I don't think a big FB is the answer. A Brandon Jacobs type of RB is what I have in mind.
I'm saying if an Alstott type back exists, you take him.

But yes, I agree, a Jacobs back is ideal. And they're not hard to find. I would argue this back would make Charles a lot better than another lightning back. It saves a smaller back from the beating of goal line carries and the "Steelers Way" has always been to hit you in the face with a big back early and then let your quick back run all over your tired defense in the second half.

Deberg_1990 01-03-2010 10:49 PM
There have been some rumours that the Bills want to trade Marshawn Lynch

smittysbar 01-03-2010 10:49 PM
If they start calling themselves "thunder and Lightning", just ****ing shoot me.

Oh yeah, Brandon Jacobs sucks ass.

Kylo Ren 01-04-2010 09:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 6406390)
Thunder? Thunder doesn't kill people. All thunder does is scare dogs. I don't want thunder. I want softball-sized hail and lightning. Or tornados and lightning. You team up tornados with lightning and now you're talking about a lethal combination.

Thunder. Pssh.
You may have a point. But, hail and lighning doesn't sound right. :D

Kylo Ren 01-04-2010 09:44 AM
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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 6406442)
I'm saying if an Alstott type back exists, you take him.

But yes, I agree, a Jacobs back is ideal. And they're not hard to find. I would argue this back would make Charles a lot better than another lightning back. It saves a smaller back from the beating of goal line carries and the "Steelers Way" has always been to hit you in the face with a big back early and then let your quick back run all over your tired defense in the second half.
Perhaps the combo of Cox and Castille can fill the "thunder" role and pick up 20% of the carries? Excuse me, I meant the "hail" role. (for Rainman)

Rain Man 01-04-2010 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by John_Wayne (Post 6407737)
You may have a point. But, hail and lighning doesn't sound right. :D
But it'd be way scarier.

Rausch 01-04-2010 10:58 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by John_Wayne (Post 6406180)
The Chiefs need to find a good "thunder" type of RB to complement Jamaal Charles (lightning). JC is definitely the franchise RB next season. Maybe the offense should be designed around him? But, he can't handle 80+% of the carries. He's too slight of build. Haley needs to invest in a good, big, bruising RB. Charles could take about 65% of the carries, the thunder back could take 25% of the carries and everyone else can account for the other 10%. I think Charles would be more effective by not shouldering the entire load. We want him to last the entire season, not have a great first 10 games and then get worn out or injured.

Thoughts?
Completely agree.

I think a guy I have my eye on in about round 3 would be perfect but...too many holes on this team. :hmmm:

Rausch 01-04-2010 10:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 6407910)
But it'd be way scarier.
Well let's just call it herpes and ebola then...

jspchief 01-04-2010 11:08 AM
Toby Gerhart is alot like Allstot. But I think the pick that would have to be used to get him could be better spent filling a starter role rather than a situational role.

The problem with finding a FB is the position is becoming extinct.

I would like to see another RB in the rotation, preferably a bruiser.

Rooster 01-04-2010 11:09 AM
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Originally Posted by John_Wayne (Post 6406230)
That was a moonshot!
ROFL That was something.

sedated 01-04-2010 11:15 AM
I'm not sure why its necessary to have a "thunder". Is it really that much better to have one big and one small RB, as opposed to 2 smaller RBs?

"Big" backs might have an advantage at the goal-line, but nothing that can't be given to the FB, or hell give it to a TE if power is all thats necesary. No need to waste the roster spot for a goal-line specialist RB.

We had one "thunder" already, and he got cut with his 2.7 yard average.

Otter 01-04-2010 11:20 AM
Dorin Dickerson - from - University of Pittsburg!

CHIEFS58 01-04-2010 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by SNR (Post 6406187)

Draft.
A.
FB.
This.

Marco Polo 01-04-2010 11:25 AM
How about LenDale White with the Titans? I believe is a UFA, though I could be wrong. With FA a potential bust this year being uncapped, I'd prefer to utilize the draft with the obvious holes that we have.

Slayer Diablo 01-04-2010 11:28 AM
Thunder? Lower ticket/parking prices.

MoreLemonPledge 01-04-2010 11:50 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Marco Polo (Post 6408011)
How about LenDale White with the Titans? I believe is a UFA, though I could be wrong. With FA a potential bust this year being uncapped, I'd prefer to utilize the draft with the obvious holes that we have.
Beat me to it. Why waste a draft pick when he could be signed for a manageable contract, and essentially fill a role that he did a fine job with last year? Remember how bad he tore us up? He's a pretty decent back in his own right, but just happens to be stuck behind one of the greatest.

Sure-Oz 01-04-2010 11:55 AM
Draft the Oregon RB in the later rounds that punched out the boise st lb lol

Sure-Oz 01-04-2010 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by MoreLemonPledge (Post 6408063)
Beat me to it. Why waste a draft pick when he could be signed for a manageable contract, and essentially fill a role that he did a fine job with last year? Remember how bad he tore us up? He's a pretty decent back in his own right, but just happens to be stuck behind one of the greatest.
I like that as well but i bet he'd want to be a starter

Micjones 01-04-2010 12:03 PM
We definitely need a sturdier back to help lighten Charles' load.
Free agency or a middle round pick would do the trick.

tyler360 01-04-2010 12:06 PM
I would rather have another Lightning back. As long as a back has good vision and ability to read blocks they can be an effective short yardage back. Priest was always good around the goal line because of this. He was not huge.

Frankie 01-04-2010 12:10 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by John_Wayne (Post 6406180)
The Chiefs need to find a good "thunder" type of RB to complement Jamaal Charles (lightning). JC is definitely the franchise RB next season. Maybe the offense should be designed around him? But, he can't handle 80+% of the carries. He's too slight of build. Haley needs to invest in a good, big, bruising RB. Charles could take about 65% of the carries, the thunder back could take 25% of the carries and everyone else can account for the other 10%. I think Charles would be more effective by not shouldering the entire load. We want him to last the entire season, not have a great first 10 games and then get worn out or injured.

Thoughts?
I think Castille has shown some running ability. Maybe he could be groomed as your "thunder." Also Smith could be the back up who can take some of the HB handoffs, if he can stay healthy that is.

Micjones 01-04-2010 12:11 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by tyler360 (Post 6408114)
I would rather have another Lightning back. As long as a back has good vision and ability to read blocks they can be an effective short yardage back. Priest was always good around the goal line because of this. He was not huge.
I don't disagree, but I think a bigger back could also help with running between the Tackles.

Frankie 01-04-2010 12:12 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Marco Polo (Post 6408011)
With FA a potential bust this year being uncapped, I'd prefer to utilize the draft with the obvious holes that we have.
I totally agree with this statement.


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