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Halfcan 01-08-2010 05:11 PM

NFL MVP?
 
Who wins it.

The Franchise 01-08-2010 05:12 PM

Peyton "Waterhead" Manning

KCrockaholic 01-08-2010 05:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 6424786)
Peyton "Waterhead" Manning

He was nothing special this year.

KCrockaholic 01-08-2010 05:13 PM

I want Favre to get it. I like the old man.

The Franchise 01-08-2010 05:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kcrockaholic4life (Post 6424790)
I want Favre to get it. I like the old man.

**** Favre. He could die and I wouldn't give two shits.

The Franchise 01-08-2010 05:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kcrockaholic4life (Post 6424788)
He was nothing special this year.

:spock:

BigMeatballDave 01-08-2010 05:15 PM

Rivers

KCrockaholic 01-08-2010 05:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 6424796)
:spock:

Do I need to prove it?

kstater 01-08-2010 05:15 PM

Manning and it won't and shouldn't be close.

SPATCH 01-08-2010 05:16 PM

Chris Johnson deserves some love

RJ 01-08-2010 05:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kcrockaholic4life (Post 6424788)
He was nothing special this year.


Other than the 14 wins and the 33 touchdown passes and the 4500 yards he was worthless.

Rain Man 01-08-2010 05:17 PM

The media votes on this, right?

Then it'll either be Favre, Manning, or Brady. (Yeah, Brady. We're talking about the media here.)

RAWR 01-08-2010 05:17 PM

Manning will win it....Favre or Johnson should win it. I ****ING HATE the colts and Manning. A1 Ghey1!!

KCrockaholic 01-08-2010 05:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RJ (Post 6424808)
Other than the 14 wins and the 33 touchdown passes and the 4500 yards he was worthless.

This was not one of his better seasons. What about those 16 INTs?

The Franchise 01-08-2010 05:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kcrockaholic4life (Post 6424816)
This was not one of his better seasons. What about those 16 INTs?

What about those come from behind wins? What was it.....something like 7 in a row?

Buck 01-08-2010 05:19 PM

Manning 4 sho

KCrockaholic 01-08-2010 05:20 PM

He was not better than Drew Brees. Yet nobody is talking about him.

RJ 01-08-2010 05:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kcrockaholic4life (Post 6424816)
This was not one of his better seasons. What about those 16 INTs?


I don't know if it's one of his better seasons, but it's certainly one of everyone else's better seasons.

kstater 01-08-2010 05:20 PM

For those arguing for Favre, he's arguably not even the MVP of his team.

DrRyan 01-08-2010 05:22 PM

Take Favre off the Vikings and where are they? Still in the playoffs like last year.

Take Peyton off the Colts and where are they? Drafting a handful of spots later than the Chiefs this year.

KCrockaholic 01-08-2010 05:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RJ (Post 6424829)
I don't know if it's one of his better seasons, but it's certainly one of everyone else's better seasons.

Thats true. But for Peyton he was not the same player as he has been in the past. He does not prove worthy of getting that award over Favre, Brees, or even Aaron Rodgers.

KCrockaholic 01-08-2010 05:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kstater (Post 6424830)
For those arguing for Favre, he's arguably not even the MVP of his team.

So who is then? It's not Peterson. Jared Allen? I don't think so.

kstater 01-08-2010 05:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kcrockaholic4life (Post 6424845)
So who is then? It's not Peterson. Jared Allen? I don't think so.

Both Peterson and Allen could be considered the MVP of the Vikings.

The Franchise 01-08-2010 05:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kcrockaholic4life (Post 6424843)
Thats true. But for Peyton he was not the same player as he has been in the past. He does not prove worthy of getting that award over Favre, Brees, or even Aaron Rodgers.

That doesn't ****ing matter. Just because you're stats go down from the previous years doesn't mean that you don't deserve the MVP.

Brett Favre is not the Vikings.
Peyton Manning IS the Colts.

The Franchise 01-08-2010 05:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kcrockaholic4life (Post 6424845)
So who is then? It's not Peterson. Jared Allen? I don't think so.

I would almost put a bet on Sidney Rice.

KCrockaholic 01-08-2010 05:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kstater (Post 6424849)
Both Peterson and Allen could be considered the MVP of the Vikings.

LMAO not even close! I mean, maybe, maybe Allen. But Peterson puked all over himself this season. He fumbled when it mattered most, and had a difficult time breaking 100 rushing yards after his week 1 game vs Cleveland.

RJ 01-08-2010 05:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kcrockaholic4life (Post 6424843)
Thats true. But for Peyton he was not the same player as he has been in the past. He does not prove worthy of getting that award over Favre, Brees, or even Aaron Rodgers.


I'd narrow that list down to Manning and Brees. My choice would be Manning, but I couldn't argue if it were Brees.

The Franchise 01-08-2010 05:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kcrockaholic4life (Post 6424854)
LMAO not even close! I mean, maybe, maybe Allen. But Peterson puked all over himself this season. He fumbled when it mattered most, and had a difficult time breaking 100 rushing yards after his week 1 game vs Cleveland.

That wouldn't have anything to do with Captain Audible......:rolleyes:

KCrockaholic 01-08-2010 05:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 6424852)
I would almost put a bet on Sidney Rice.

And who made Sidney Rice? Brett Favre did. Rice would not be in the pro bowl this season if it wasn't for Favre. This is a terrible arguement. Go ask Rice himself and he would tell you the exact same thing.

KCrockaholic 01-08-2010 05:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 6424857)
That wouldn't have anything to do with Captain Audible......:rolleyes:

He only audibled about 15 times the entire season...:rolleyes:

The Franchise 01-08-2010 05:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kcrockaholic4life (Post 6424858)
And who made Sidney Rice? Brett Favre did. Rice would not be in the pro bowl this season if it wasn't for Favre. This is a terrible arguement. Go ask Rice himself and he would tell you the exact same thing.

:shake:

KCrockaholic 01-08-2010 05:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 6424861)
:shake:

Rice has already stated in an interview that if not for Favre his career would not be soaring.

The Franchise 01-08-2010 05:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kcrockaholic4life (Post 6424863)
Rice has already stated in an interview that if not for Favre his career would not be soaring.

Which is what's bound to happen when you go from Travaris Jackson to an above average QB.

kstater 01-08-2010 05:32 PM

I wonder who Halfcan will vote for?

Hootie 01-08-2010 05:33 PM

Peyton Manning
Brett Favre
Drew Brees
Chris Johnson

In that order.

With Chris Johnson as the NFL Offensive Player of the Year. They didn't start winning until Vince Young started playing.

KCrockaholic 01-08-2010 05:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 6424869)
Which is what's bound to happen when you go from Travaris Jackson to an above average QB.

It's not like Jackson is a bad QB. Did you not notice how well he played during his last few starts?

SDChiefs 01-08-2010 05:36 PM

Matt Cassel FTW

Halfcan 01-08-2010 05:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kstater (Post 6424804)
Manning and it won't and shouldn't be close.

I have trouble voting for someone that road the bench the last 2 to 3 games.

Brett threw for 4 TD's and over 300 yards his last game-from 1st game to last he played nearly every snap. He had the biggest impact on his team, and his best year ever.

mangina had 16 INTS and should have lost a few games if not the D for the Colts.

Breeze kinda sucked at the end of the year.

Rivers might just be the dark horse-hard to argue with his year.

DrRyan 01-08-2010 05:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kcrockaholic4life (Post 6424860)
He only audibled about 15 times the entire season...:rolleyes:

And here we have the totally made up BS stat. Are you seriously suggesting the Favre audibled less than one time per game? Laughable

ROFL

KCrockaholic 01-08-2010 05:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Halfcan (Post 6424886)
I have trouble voting for someone that road the bench the last 2 to 3 games.

Brett threw for 4 TD's and over 300 yards his last game-from 1st game to last he played nearly every snap. He had the biggest impact on his team, and his best year ever.

mangina had 16 INTS and should have lost a few games if not the D for the Colts.

Breeze kinda sucked at the end of the year.

Rivers might just be the dark horse-hard to argue with his year.

Bam. Halfcan FTW!

Halfcan 01-08-2010 05:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kstater (Post 6424871)
I wonder who Halfcan will vote for?

Brett of course-he had a HUGE year-only 7 picks, over 4000 yards.

Chris Johnson had MONSTER year-I think he gets it.

Brett
Chris johnson
Schaub
rivers

KCrockaholic 01-08-2010 05:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DrRyan (Post 6424887)
And here we have the totally made up BS stat. Are you seriously suggesting the Favre audibled less than one time per game? Laughable

ROFL

Yes. And can you prove me other-wise?

Buzzsaw 01-08-2010 05:40 PM

Most valuable player to his team = Peyton Manning, easy call.

Hootie 01-08-2010 05:40 PM

he picked Matt Schaub over Peyton Manning?

Hilarious.

Deberg_1990 01-08-2010 05:41 PM

Manning or Rivers....

Farve then Brees

DrRyan 01-08-2010 05:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kcrockaholic4life (Post 6424892)
Yes. And can you prove me other-wise?

I am not the one here citing the made up stat. How about you cite your source good sir. There is NO WAY for you or anyone to know how many times he audibled this year.

Hootie 01-08-2010 05:42 PM

you can't pick Chris Johnson with a straight face...only reason they started winning was because of Vince Young...he made Chris Johnson THAT much more potent when the ends had to start respecting Vince Young's legs as well.

Buck 01-08-2010 05:42 PM

Rivers didn't even make the ballot? Damn.

Rivers led the league in Yards per Attempt, 1st Down %, and 20+ Yard Passes.

He didn't have nearly as many attempts as all the other candidates, otherwise I think he would have won it this year.

He was 18th in Attempts.

Schaub 1st
Manning 2nd
Brady 3rd
Rodgers 6th
Favre 8th
Brees 10th

Halfcan 01-08-2010 05:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kcrockaholic4life (Post 6424825)
He was not better than Drew Brees. Yet nobody is talking about him.

I think drew had it wrapped up til the last 3 games-All losses. Brett came from behind by playing well. The last 6 quarters of play 6 TD's over 500 yards.

last 6 for mangina Zip

last 6 for breeze Zip

Rivers sat the last game too so that might have hurt his chances-but SD had a hell of a year-they man handled people. Hate to say it-but I might have been wrong about Rivers-he had a fantastic year.

Halfcan 01-08-2010 05:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BuckinKaeding (Post 6424902)
Rivers didn't even make the ballot? Damn.

Rivers led the league in Yards per Attempt, 1st Down %, and 20+ Yard Passes.

He didn't have nearly as many attempts as all the other candidates, otherwise I think he would have won it this year.

He was 18th in Attempts.

Schaub 1st
Manning 2nd
Brady 3rd
Rodgers 6th
Favre 8th
Brees 10th

Yep not sure why he is not getting talked about-but damm he played good. :clap:

OnTheWarpath15 01-08-2010 05:44 PM

Manning or Rivers.

Christ, the Vikings made the playoffs with Tarvaris Jackson at QB last year. Missing Favre means they don't get a bye week.

The Colts missing Manning means they likely don't make the playoffs, and I don't see the Chargers making the playoffs without Rivers, either.

Halfcan 01-08-2010 05:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hootie (Post 6424901)
you can't pick Chris Johnson with a straight face...only reason they started winning was because of Vince Young...he made Chris Johnson THAT much more potent when the ends had to start respecting Vince Young's legs as well.

But damm look at the numbers-record breaking season.

OnTheWarpath15 01-08-2010 05:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hootie (Post 6424901)
you can't pick Chris Johnson with a straight face...only reason they started winning was because of Vince Young...he made Chris Johnson THAT much more potent when the ends had to start respecting Vince Young's legs as well.

That's why the award is stupid to begin with.

MVP is always going to be a QB, because they play the most important position on the field.

This is what, the 6th time a RB has broken 2000 yards, and he'll probably finish 4th in the voting.

Halfcan 01-08-2010 05:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buzzsaw (Post 6424895)
Most valuable player to his team = Peyton Manning, easy call.

But he sat the last two games and threw 3 Ints in 2 seperate games. 16 picks this year!! some of them lame ducks just floating away.

I dont think mangina deserves it.

KCrockaholic 01-08-2010 05:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DrRyan (Post 6424898)
I am not the one here citing the made up stat. How about you cite your source good sir. There is NO WAY for you or anyone to know how many times he audibled this year.

Favre stated in an interview in week 15 that he has only audibled 10 times the entire season. I am saying 15 audibles were made over the entire season. I watched the Vikes this entire season. When it looks like he's audibling he is just pointing out pass protections, whos the blitzing corner, and directing receivers on how far to bend their routes. He did not change an entire play more than 15 times this season. Besides this... Favre has been in the NFL for nearly 20 years. If he feels that he needs to audible, it is probably the correct call.

Halfcan 01-08-2010 05:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6424916)
That's why the award is stupid to begin with.

MVP is always going to be a QB, because they play the most important position on the field.

This is what, the 6th time a RB has broken 2000 yards, and he'll probably finish 4th in the voting.

I agree-johnson had statistically the best year of a RB ever-all purpose yards that is. But the titans missing the playoffs will probably hurt his chances too.

Buck 01-08-2010 05:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6424916)
That's why the award is stupid to begin with.

MVP is always going to be a QB, because they play the most important position on the field.

This is what, the 6th time a RB has broken 2000 yards, and he'll probably finish 4th in the voting.

Unless a RB scores 28+ TDs in a season, then they win the MVP, see 2005 - 2006.

Hootie 01-08-2010 05:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6424916)
That's why the award is stupid to begin with.

MVP is always going to be a QB, because they play the most important position on the field.

This is what, the 6th time a RB has broken 2000 yards, and he'll probably finish 4th in the voting.

that is why he can have fun with his offensive player of the year award...

if the Titans finished 14-2 or at least made the playoffs MAYBE he would have an argument...

keg in kc 01-08-2010 05:49 PM

Farve would have won it if he hadn't blown the entire month of December (1-3 record, 4 TD, 4 (of his 7 total) INT).

Brees' numbers are comparable to Favre's (actually better than), but they of course collapsed late in the year, as well. And he's nowhere near as high profile.

Indy's last two games don't help Manning, either, obviously, but he probably gets it.

But the media LOVES Favre, so it wouldn't shock me.

Chris Johnson isn't getting it, not on an 8-8 team, 2k yards or no 2k yards.

Ditto for Schaub on a 9-7 squad.

Halfcan 01-08-2010 05:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hootie (Post 6424926)
that is why he can have fun with his offensive player of the year award...

if the Titans finished 14-2 or at least made the playoffs MAYBE he would have an argument...

exactly ;)

He had a hell of a year though.

KCrockaholic 01-08-2010 05:51 PM

Here is another stat for you.

the previous 3 seasons before Favre

Vikings -2006 - 282 PPG

2007- 379 PPG

2008 - 379 PPG

2009 w/Favre - 470 PPG

That is a huge impact.

Halfcan 01-08-2010 05:52 PM

Mangina had the 7th most INT's in the NFL- that is not an MVP stat-sorry.

Hootie 01-08-2010 05:52 PM

Favre would have won the MVP had it not been for his minor rough patch in December...

That's why I have him at #2 and Manning at #1...

I forgot about Rivers...

Manning
Favre
Rivers
Brees
Johnson

Hootie 01-08-2010 05:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Halfcan (Post 6424939)
Mangina had the 7th most INT's in the NFL- that is not an MVP stat-sorry.

Stats don't always paint the whole picture buddy...

Manning had a great year. MVP worthy, no doubt.

Halfcan 01-08-2010 05:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kcrockaholic4life (Post 6424938)
Here is another stat for you.

the previous 3 seasons before Favre

Vikings -2006 - 282 PPG

2007- 379 PPG

2008 - 379 PPG

2009 w/Favre - 470 PPG

That is a huge impact.

Not to mention the come from behind wins and the leadership that he brought. 107 QB rating-2nd best in the NFL. He was not dink and dunking either.

KCrockaholic 01-08-2010 05:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hootie (Post 6424942)
Favre would have won the MVP had it not been for his minor rough patch in December...

That's why I have him at #2 and Manning at #1...

I forgot about Rivers...

Manning
Favre
Rivers
Brees
Johnson

I don't get it. What about Manning's rough patch with his INT's the entire season.

Tell me, who is the only QB in the NFL over 2009 that had OVER 30 TD's and LESS than 10 INT's???

SAUTO 01-08-2010 05:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6424910)
Manning or Rivers.

Christ, the Vikings made the playoffs with Tarvaris Jackson at QB last year. Missing Favre means they don't get a bye week.

The Colts missing Manning means they likely don't make the playoffs, and I don't see the Chargers making the playoffs without Rivers, either.

the thing is its NFL MVP not colts, vikings, chargers, etc. NFL. IMO this year its farve.
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Hootie 01-08-2010 05:54 PM

Rodgers had a good year too...but his play was somewhat shaky until they shored up that offensive line.

KCrockaholic 01-08-2010 05:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Halfcan (Post 6424949)
Not to mention the come from behind wins and the leadership that he brought. 107 QB rating-2nd best in the NFL. He was not dink and dunking either.

That throw VS the 49ers is MVP worthy in its own.

Halfcan 01-08-2010 05:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hootie (Post 6424942)
Favre would have won the MVP had it not been for his minor rough patch in December...

That's why I have him at #2 and Manning at #1...

I forgot about Rivers...

Manning
Favre
Rivers
Brees
Johnson

rough patch-?? two games he was just okay-but he finished very strong. 6 T D's in 6 quarters. He actually had a better year this year than his other MVp years.

Hootie 01-08-2010 05:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kcrockaholic4life (Post 6424950)
I don't get it. What about Manning's rough patch with his INT's the entire season.

Tell me, who is the only QB in the NFL over 2009 that had OVER 30 TD's and LESS than 10 INT's???

the Vikings have Adrian Peterson...

The Colts ARE Peyton Manning...he won so many games in the 4th quarter this year...he was super super clutch.

Peyton Manning will win the MVP...so it's just not me with that opinion.

OnTheWarpath15 01-08-2010 05:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 6424952)
the thing is its NFL MVP not colts, vikings, chargers, etc. NFL. IMO this year its farve.
Posted via Mobile Device

The award is not which player is most important to the LEAGUE, it's who's most important to their TEAM.

Manning or Rivers.

Halfcan 01-08-2010 05:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kcrockaholic4life (Post 6424955)
That throw VS the 49ers is MVP worthy in its own.

heck of a throw-but the catch is one of the best ever

KCrockaholic 01-08-2010 05:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Halfcan (Post 6424957)
rough patch-?? two games he was just okay-but he finished very strong. 6 T D's in 6 quarters. He actually had a better year this year than his other MVp years.

Yup and you can't argue with that. He made Shaincoe into one of the best TE's in the NFC also.

Buck 01-08-2010 05:57 PM

If Rogers didn't get sacked so damn much I might say him. Lets say he got sacked 20 times less, that would have probably amounted to 2-3 more wins.

Hootie 01-08-2010 05:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kcrockaholic4life (Post 6424955)
That throw VS the 49ers is MVP worthy in its own.

Hilarious.

Favre is #2...great year...but since that team has Jared Allen and Adrian Peterson...two super super super IMPACT players...it would have taken 14-2 and not losing to the Cardinals/Panthers and Bears the way they did at the end of the season for me to put him above Manning.

When they were 11-1 I had him as my MVP and almost even put a bet on him winning MVP when the futures odds were 2:1...

Halfcan 01-08-2010 05:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hootie (Post 6424959)
the Vikings have Adrian Peterson...

The Colts ARE Peyton Manning...he won so many games in the 4th quarter this year...he was super super clutch.

Peyton Manning will win the MVP...so it's just not me with that opinion.

manning had what 4 come from behind and Brett 3? 4 if peterson does not fumble it away against the Bears.

KCrockaholic 01-08-2010 05:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hootie (Post 6424959)
the Vikings have Adrian Peterson...

The Colts ARE Peyton Manning...he won so many games in the 4th quarter this year...he was super super clutch.

Peyton Manning will win the MVP...so it's just not me with that opinion.

Well don't be surpised if it ends up being Peyton and Favre.

KCrockaholic 01-08-2010 05:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hootie (Post 6424969)
Hilarious.

Favre is #2...great year...but since that team has Jared Allen and Adrian Peterson...two super super super IMPACT players...it would have taken 14-2 and not losing to the Cardinals/Panthers and Bears the way they did at the end of the season for me to put him above Manning.

When they were 11-1 I had him as my MVP and almost even put a bet on him winning MVP when the futures odds were 2:1...

Did you not watch the Vikings this year? Peterson almost never ever had an impact this season. I love AP, but he had a bad year for himself and was benched a few times throughout the season to Chester Taylor.

Halfcan 01-08-2010 06:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hootie (Post 6424969)
Hilarious.

Favre is #2...great year...but since that team has Jared Allen and Adrian Peterson...two super super super IMPACT players...it would have taken 14-2 and not losing to the Cardinals/Panthers and Bears the way they did at the end of the season for me to put him above Manning.

When they were 11-1 I had him as my MVP and almost even put a bet on him winning MVP when the futures odds were 2:1...

But there were at least two games both Losses that manning did not help his team at all. Not his fault I know but-he only played 14 games and had 16 picks in those games.


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