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Kylo Ren 01-11-2010 07:59 PM
Don't the Chiefs also need a new ST coach?
 
Yes? No?

Who's available? Who would you like to see signed?

Deberg_1990 01-11-2010 08:00 PM
Kurt Schottenheimer

aturnis 01-11-2010 08:00 PM
No, they don't.

Mr. Flopnuts 01-11-2010 08:00 PM
I'm waiting for a text message to tell me.

Hammock Parties 01-11-2010 08:00 PM
The Chiefs had darn-near the best special teams in the NFL last year from top to bottom.

So, no.

Kylo Ren 01-11-2010 08:00 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by aturnis (Post 6435851)
No, they don't.
Why not?

'Hamas' Jenkins 01-11-2010 08:01 PM
:facepalm:

Titty Meat 01-11-2010 08:01 PM
John Friesz

Mecca 01-11-2010 08:01 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by GoChiefs (Post 6435854)
The Chiefs had darn-near the best special teams in the NFL last year from top to bottom.

So, no.
That's a bit overdone, they did well with the kicker but the Chiefs coverage and return games were not ranked high.

Kylo Ren 01-11-2010 08:02 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by GoChiefs (Post 6435854)
The Chiefs had darn-near the best special teams in the NFL last year from top to bottom.

So, no.
Really? What are the stats? I admit, I've not bothered to look them up. But, I thought ST weren't that great. The punter is good and the kicker was good. But, what about the coverage and return units?

We certainly need a long snapper, that's for sure.

Kylo Ren 01-11-2010 08:03 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts (Post 6435853)
I'm waiting for a text message to tell me.
Aren't those text messages helpful? I love 'em. :D

Kylo Ren 01-11-2010 08:03 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by billay (Post 6435859)
John Friesz
....... could you expand on that? Who is he?

Hammock Parties 01-11-2010 08:03 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by John_Wayne (Post 6435868)
Really? What are the stats? I admit, I've not bothered to look them up. But, I thought ST weren't that great. The punter is good and the kicker was good. But, what about the coverage and return units?

We certainly need a long snapper, that's for sure.
Coverage units in the top 10. Charles was among the best kick returners in the NFL.

ST coach did a very good job this year.

Kylo Ren 01-11-2010 08:05 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by GoChiefs (Post 6435876)
Coverage units in the top 10. Charles was among the best kick returners in the NFL.

ST coach did a very good job this year.
Charles won't be returning next year. That's another position that needs to be addressed.

chiefzilla1501 01-11-2010 08:06 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by John_Wayne (Post 6435844)
Yes? No?

Who's available? Who would you like to see signed?
Hoffman is a large reason for Succop's success. And Colquitt had the best season of his career.

Not ready to get rid of him because we have no return guys and because our coverage unit had one bad game against the Browns.

Mecca 01-11-2010 08:07 PM
It's nice that he's good with kickers, they should probably look for an assistant to focus on the coverage and return games though.

Hammock Parties 01-11-2010 08:08 PM
The Chiefs at one point had the top coverage units the entire NFL.

Kylo Ren 01-11-2010 08:10 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by GoChiefs (Post 6435897)
The Chiefs at one point had the top coverage units the entire NFL.
Game one?

Kylo Ren 01-11-2010 08:11 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6435894)
It's nice that he's good with kickers, they should probably look for an assistant to focus on the coverage and return games though.
Good idea. :)

Mr. Flopnuts 01-11-2010 08:12 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by John_Wayne (Post 6435872)
Aren't those text messages helpful? I love 'em. :D
I have to give you credit. At least you're a good sport.

Hammock Parties 01-11-2010 08:13 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by John_Wayne (Post 6435910)
Game one?
If memory serves it was about week 6 or 7

They dropped off a bit since then but they had a good year besides the Cleveland game.

Huge improvement over last year.

chiefzilla1501 01-11-2010 08:14 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6435894)
It's nice that he's good with kickers, they should probably look for an assistant to focus on the coverage and return games though.
Coverage units are fine. They had one bad game. Take that game away, and they were rock solid.

Those coverage units also helped Colquitt become the most productive of his career, and that's largely due to our coverage unit getting downfield fast enough to prevent returns.

Our biggest problem on the return unit are that we have shitty returners. Charles was the only legit returner we've had all year, and he did very well. Coverage units also typically improve as your roster improves. You can afford to keep more ST specialists when you feel pretty comfortable with your starters and backups.

Kylo Ren 01-11-2010 08:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts (Post 6435922)
I have to give you credit. At least you're a good sport.
Have I told you that I love you? :)

Mecca 01-11-2010 08:15 PM
"That one game"

That's like the Dick Vermiel defense of "Hey if you take away those big plays".

Kylo Ren 01-11-2010 08:15 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by GoChiefs (Post 6435929)
If memory serves it was about week 6 or 7

They dropped off a bit since then but they had a good year besides the Cleveland game.

Huge improvement over last year.
I'll take your word for it.

You're talking about coverage and returns? Or, kicking and punting?

Hammock Parties 01-11-2010 08:16 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6435937)
"That one game"

That's like the Dick Vermiel defense of "Hey if you take away those big plays".
Shut the **** up, Mecca. The coverage units were good this year. Succop helped them a lot, too.

Hammock Parties 01-11-2010 08:16 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by John_Wayne (Post 6435942)
I'll take your word for it.

You're talking about coverage and returns? Or, kicking and punting?
Coverage and returns.

Kylo Ren 01-11-2010 08:17 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 6435931)
Coverage units are fine. They had one bad game. Take that game away, and they were rock solid.

Those coverage units also helped Colquitt become the most productive of his career, and that's largely due to our coverage unit getting downfield fast enough to prevent returns.

Our biggest problem on the return unit are that we have shitty returners. Charles was the only legit returner we've had all year, and he did very well. Coverage units also typically improve as your roster improves. You can afford to keep more ST specialists when you feel pretty comfortable with your starters and backups.
You and GoChiefs have convinced me.

Ignore this thread. It was dumb. :doh!:

petegz28 01-11-2010 08:18 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by John_Wayne (Post 6435856)
Why not?
I thought our ST did good this year. We need return guys, that isn't on the ST coach. He has to work with what the top guys give him. Other than that we had solid coverages and our FG team was outstanding. Lord knows they got enough practice.

Kylo Ren 01-11-2010 08:18 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by GoChiefs (Post 6435949)
Coverage and returns.
I'm a reasonable person. You win. I believe you.

..... to the ship!

petegz28 01-11-2010 08:20 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6435937)
"That one game"

That's like the Dick Vermiel defense of "Hey if you take away those big plays".
Every team is going to have at least 1 bad game in some phase. One bad game is more than acceptable.

Kylo Ren 01-11-2010 08:20 PM
We need a KR, a PR and a LS. The coach is fine. Agreed.

petegz28 01-11-2010 08:21 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by John_Wayne (Post 6435972)
We need a KR, a PR and a LS. The coach is fine. Agreed.
Most needed a snapper. Returners can be forged though I would like one with "the knack". Copper and Lawrence, if they are still on the team, just need to be coached up some now that they have had a taste.

Mecca 01-11-2010 08:23 PM
Terrence Copper is like 28 years old, stop talking like he's a rookie.

Hammock Parties 01-11-2010 08:23 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by John_Wayne (Post 6435964)
I'm a reasonable person. You win. I believe you.

..... to the ship!
The stats bear it out, too.

If you take out Cribbs' game - and I don't see a problem with that, really, we're talking about one game out of 16 - the Chiefs would be tied for 10th in the league in kickoff coverage.

Punt coverage was 7th.

Charles was 10th in kickoff return average.

chiefzilla1501 01-11-2010 08:24 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by petegz28 (Post 6435976)
Most needed a snapper. Returners can be forged though I would like one with "the knack". Copper and Lawrence, if they are still on the team, just need to be coached up some now that they have had a taste.
Noooooo. Don't touch Copper. He's one hell of a Special Teams player. Keep him in coverage. He has pretty much no upside as a returner.

petegz28 01-11-2010 08:26 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by GoChiefs (Post 6435984)
The stats bear it out, too.

If you take out Cribbs' game - and I don't see a problem with that, really, we're talking about one game out of 16 - the Chiefs would be tied for 10th in the league in kickoff coverage.

Punt coverage was 7th.

Charles was 10th in kickoff return average.
They could work on their protection on kick offs, though a good returner helps a lot.

petegz28 01-11-2010 08:27 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 6435988)
Noooooo. Don't touch Copper. He's one hell of a Special Teams player. Keep him in coverage. He has pretty much no upside as a returner.
I was speaking worst case scenario of course. Lawrence has the speed. He just needs to learn WTF to do. But I agree, I would like someone else.

Mr. Laz 01-11-2010 08:27 PM
Get a KR/PR and the Chiefs specials teams are fine.

seriously ... all people remember is the Cleveland game. :shake:

RealSNR 01-11-2010 08:37 PM
Dya think John Harbaugh would coach special teams for the Chiefs after he's done this season???????//

Kylo Ren 01-11-2010 10:09 PM
I hear Dante Hall is available.....

teedubya 01-11-2010 10:42 PM
Sean_Wayne Bro... you need to learn how to use Google, my friend. :-)

RustShack 01-11-2010 10:44 PM
Uhh.. I haven't read through this tread but didn't the Chiefs hire a great ST's coach last year?

milkman 01-11-2010 10:44 PM
Can we please take away this dumbass' thread starting priviledges?

'Hamas' Jenkins 01-11-2010 10:46 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by milkman (Post 6436393)
Can we please take away this dumbass' thread starting priviledges?
:clap:

Chiefs=Champions 01-11-2010 11:04 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 6435857)
:facepalm:
:facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:

DaneMcCloud 01-11-2010 11:07 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by John_Wayne (Post 6435844)
Yes? No?

Who's available? Who would you like to see signed?
**** you

Slainte 01-12-2010 01:32 AM
Please sign special teams genius Mike Stock. Thanks in advance...

DaneMcCloud 01-12-2010 01:36 AM
How is this ****ing douchehole even in the green?

Phoney Gonzales? Gunther Fan? Now his latest ****ing name?

He's a ****ing idiot.

Simply Red 01-12-2010 01:46 AM
I like pastries.

TigerPig 01-12-2010 03:12 AM
I always found it strange how Special teams only got one coach when it has two very distinct sections to it.

I know it would cost more money, but what about a kicking coach and a returning coach?

patteeu 01-12-2010 07:59 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6435894)
It's nice that he's good with kickers, they should probably look for an assistant to focus on the coverage and return games though.
:spock:

Quote:
Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 6435931)
Coverage units are fine. They had one bad game. Take that game away, and they were rock solid.

Those coverage units also helped Colquitt become the most productive of his career, and that's largely due to our coverage unit getting downfield fast enough to prevent returns.

Our biggest problem on the return unit are that we have shitty returners. Charles was the only legit returner we've had all year, and he did very well. Coverage units also typically improve as your roster improves. You can afford to keep more ST specialists when you feel pretty comfortable with your starters and backups.
Check, check, check, and check. :thumb:

patteeu 01-12-2010 08:02 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by milkman (Post 6436393)
Can we please take away this dumbass' thread starting priviledges?
At least he acknowledged that ST coaching wasn't a problem. Mecca is still holding out.


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