Could R.McClain play ROLB?
 

He is big and has the speed. Or do yall think he just stays as a inside LB? I think he could be a nightmare for QB's 6'4 256lbs and fast. He could be a monster. Also keep in minde we have a good D cord. That could teach him along with Vrabel. Then we could try to sign a guy like Barret Rudd from the Bucs to play IMLB or draft one. Hopefully B.Spikes falls to the 2nd round. What do yall think, bash away.

I think if we take him @5 he not only could play ROLB but also try him out at TE, or in the slot....

JFC

Page Morgan
Carr Flowers
Hali, Spikes, D.Johnson, McClain
Dorsey Wilfork Jackson




I like :)

If you are talking to me, I believe that Dorsey and Tyson Jackson should play both ways also....we need to stop squandering these high picks...

How do you also get Spikes?

have I missed something? I mean I like it. I just don't see how that happens.

and so McClain becomes Aaron Curry.

http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w...shit_again.jpg

This should tell you everything you need to know.

Well,... now we know THAT isn't happening.

Spikes could be drafted with our early 2nd pick

Personally I like this better, but more than likely we're gonna see a bunch of WTF picks.

1. SS Eric Berry
2. ILB Brandon Spikes
2. OG Mike Iupati
3. OLB Eric Norwood
4. WR Denario Alexander
5. OT Chris Scott
5. RB Montario Hardesty
6. QB Max Hall
7. BPA

There were some good ILB's that feel in the 2nd round last year. Rey M from USC. Who's better him or Spikes. If not get one in FA.

Everybody bow down to Hamas......Chiefsplanet draft Guru.

It something to think about.

Curry will be trying to become McLain bro....Just trying to help here. Mecca helped start this stuff BTW....

Thou shalt not use the Lord's name in vain. Shame Hamas. ;)

Seriously, why would you want McClain any position other than ILB? This guy could be the biggest defensive impact player in this draft and would be in the center of your defense. I want this guy leading the defense from the inside the same way Ray Lewis does in Baltimore, Patrick Willis in San Francisco, Brian Urlacher in Chicago, or Al Wilson did in Denver.

Like I said he has the size why not? If Berry is there take him. If we take McClain we need to make him a play maker or try too. Size and speed and he also has long arms he could use. Worth a try if we take him.

Me Likee long time

Fair point. I was just under the impression that Spikes would be gone by the mid to late 1st. I'm sure the combine will go a long way in determining who goes were but that'd be nice if he falls.

Is he realy a R. Lewis though? Just think why couldn't he be a Shawn Merrieman. He is a impact player or was.

I don't think he was calling him he next Ray Lewis. I think he is saying he could be that type of player for us. Stud linebacker that is accounted for on everyplay and be our main D player

Agreed. On paper anyhow that would be a damn good draft and I wouldn't complain one bit. Though I'm sure McClain could certainly help this defense, I'm not so sure I'd take him at 5. I think that might be to high for him. If the Chiefs could trade down a few spots, and pick up and extra pick or two I'd take him in a heartbeat. But if the Chiefs are stuck at 5 and Berry is on the board I'd take him over generally anyone else at this point.

Merrieman was an impact player, but I'll take an inside impact player over the outside or safety.

I believe McClain is a rare impact player that can do it all in the center of your defense. He has size, speed, intelligence, great fundementals, and contagious intensity. He can blitz, shed blocks, stop the run, play zone, and even atheletic enough to go man to man TE's and most receivers.

I think he will perform as a rookie comparable to Patrick Willis.

This

Thank you.

Willis was the most dominating college linebacker that I've seen. I don't think McClain was as dominant as Willis. I don't think McClain has great lateral movement. IMHO, he's best suited for a 34 ILB. I think he'd struggle a bit as a 43 MLB.

I got to go to work but, Our great # 58 Derrick Thomas what was he drafted as olb or ilb or de. He was a impact player. Thats why I said if we take McClain at #5 lets try to make him an impact player with his size,speed strenght,smarts, and long arms as terroist for QB's that he faces. Thomas and McClain are both from Bamma also. Just to throw that in there. He could be reicarnated as McClain. Just a joke.

sorry for any mispelled words in a rush. Go Chiefs!!!!!!!!!!

I agree that he is best suited for a 3-4 ILB, which is another reason he is my favorite for #5. McClain and DJ would be a lot of athletic ability in the center of the defense. If they could get a capable NT in FA or round 2 then I would start to feel good about the heart of the defense.

4th round is way too high for denario alexander

and why would we need to move McClain anywhere?

Yep

Jackson-Rd 2/FA-Dorsey

Hali-McClain-DJ-Vrabel?

Flowers-Rd 2b-Page/Morgan-Carr

With Jackson being in his 2nd year, hopefully he makes strides, & it will be Dorsey's 2nd year as a DE, & we saw he made some strides already, & w/ Romeo coming in.....We just need a NT. McClain & DJ in the middle of the D, w/ a pass rusher in Hali on the outside. Flowers is a pro bowl type CB IMO, Carr is a good #2, we're fine @ CB especially if Washington can turn into a good nickel, he's got the skills. With this being a deep safety class, we can get a very good starter in the later 2nd rd. Maybe Page or Morgan who has alot of talent, can take over at the other spot, or maybe we get someone in FA.

Then here it comes.

The answer is no.

Why do you guys do this? I don't get some posters.

If a guy is an inside bad ass in college that generally transfers well to the pros because it's mostly an instinctive position like running back.

Pass rushing is somewhat of a "feel" thing because some guys can do it naturally, and others learn how to do it real well. But being "fast" has nothing to do with being a good outside linebacker. Lots of fast guy suck and lots of slow guys make pro bowls. Looking at measurables on a guy like height, weight, speed, and all that jazz doesn't really tell me anything about him or his best position. A good natural pass rusher tends to have good knee bend, long arms, and great hip flexibility. You don't need any of that to be a great inside or mike backer. Knee bend helps though.

Either way McClain is/should be an inside guy. If we need a guy to rush the passer from the outside along with Hali, draft one that did that in college or sign one that did that in the pros. Thanks and have a good night.

A LB is at his best when the linemen keep blockers off their ass.

An OLB in a 3-4 has to be able to take on blockers and shed and tackle when he's on run defense.

This is an obvious no.

This thread sucks

u suck too!!! It was just something to think about get over it. Shit what else is there to talk about?

What posistion did Derrick Thomas come out as when he enter the draft, Was ILB orOLB or DE?

DT was a LB at Alabama.

McClain is nothing like DT. Built completely different. He's not a guy that is going to have a great first step and explosion. He's not a pass rusher.

I would rather have a small fast sack artist DE playing OLB for us like most other teams that run a 3-4. Is this guy serious here or just ****ing with us?

McClain will probably cover for DJ and make him look much better.

McClain is physical,smart and disciplined .... everything that DJ isn't. This will allow DJ to be a moron and run around and not kill our defense as much.

Maybe DJ just needs someone to tell him what he needs to do on every play. McClain could do that.


PhilFree:arrow:

It's not a stupid question... He has the athletic ability and size to play Outside but his skill set and instincts and ability in coverage make him a better fit inside

i would hope that someone has already tried that.

how many coaches and other linebackers has DJ played with ... surely somebody tried that.

maybe DJ's mysterious issue is that he can't read or something so he never learned how to actually learn a playbook. :shrug:

There is nothing wrong with bringing the idea up ...

i don't agree with the premise but there is nothing wrong with talking about it.

I hope we take McClain over Berry. The ILB group only has 2 guys at top, then the talent drops off a cliff. There is much more OL and S talent in the 2nd and 3rd round than at ILB. Many say the 5th pick is to early to take a LB, well #5 is to early to take a S for sure. McClain is a safer pick then Berry. I think Berry will be pretty good, but he will not be the great playermaker everyone thinks in the NFL in my opinion. McClain seems to be a much better character and much better leader to me.

1. McClain
2a. OL
2b. OLB/S
3. RB (we need an insurance policy for Charles)

pickup a WR who can catch the ball in FA and one olineman.

My offseason dream.

Center and guard?

That would be the FA lineman.

Oh jesus. This is like an annual tradition now?

Moving arguably the best 3-4 ILB to ever enter the draft and wasting his ability at OLB sounds great to be because of his size even though hes about the same size as some of the best MLB's in the game ROFL

I don't neg rep people, but you just came awfully close.

I think it's comical to see some people think all LB's are interchangeable and have pass rushing skills.

Outside LB's in a 3-4 are pass rushers, it is not a position just anyone can play, learn this.

Which is why it would be nice if we picked up a guy like Sergio Kindle with our first pick in the second round. He's athletic enough to play either side and has shown the ability to be able to get to the passer and disrupt the backfield from a LB position.

He's also a Texas player that's been underproductive in relation to his physical talent...

It's not playing to his strengths at all... yeah he could play the outside and he would probably be average at best but you put him inside and he is a monster

Perhaps if we bench broke-dick Vrabel and let Studebaker play and develop, get our elite safety, and pursue an LB in round two, we could have both foresight AND not be completely reeruned!

Ill say this too, if Berry doesnt run a 4.4 40 at the combine and runs a 4.5+, he may slip a few spots because the class is rounding out to a good one. Not out of the top ten, but I can see him slipping a few spots. This draft will have good safety options through round two and three.

[QUOTE=Mecca;6448907]He's also a Texas player that's been underproductive in relation to his physical talent...[/QUO

Was Derrick Thomas an ILB or OLB at Bamma?

He was a pass rusher...he never played inside ever.

we dont have a 6 or 7. The Dolphin boys and Oconnel
very good points.

this

but lets be real mecca, even if he was productive, measured well, timed well and everything else...you still wouldnt like him because hes from Texas. Toilet brush ring a bell?

:thumb: very well said chiefzilla. You've pretty much summed it up in a nice, short, sweet and simple way. Good job!

It's that time of year again for the Big 12 hatred mantra to kick in full force.

McCoy (both of them) sucks.

Gresham plays at a position that doesn't warrant him being drafted until the start of free agency.

Suh is a broke dick (same manner as Peterson) that an NFL GM would never touch.

Okung sucks.

Bryant, Shipley and Alexander are all products of the shitty spread system.

Meirer runs a 5.6 40 and should never be on an NFL team.

Weatherspoon has safety size and will get washed out in the pros.

Anyone from Texas is talented, but infinitely lazy and worthless as a NFL prospect and there's no way that they will make it in the NFL and if they do, I'll rape myself with a toilet brush.

Believe it ... every year.

He played WR at bama.

Dude the track record of Texas is enough to be skeptical of their players.

And, it's time the Big 12 homers come out in full force.

"Anyone from Texas ..." I was about to say I've read some not so kind things about our LSU picks ... but, on 2nd. thought ... gotta agree they have not been that great.

IMHO it's unfair to judge a player based on past history of other players (U of Texas players). I'd rather judge a player based on his own performance.

That's nice and all but Texas players have generally received poor coaching so they are talented but raw.

Orakpo has to sustain his early level of play/production for at least 5 years for his draft position to have been justified and that may not happen, but Orakpo (and Aaron Rodgers before him) should teach a lesson that you shouldnt fully discount a rare talent just because of the school/system he played in college.

There are a couple good players from the Mack Brown Texas era but it's really hard to go hey Orakpo and Michael Griffin cancel out all of the Roy Williams, Mike Williams, Leonard Davis etc etc etc.

Texas produces about the same amount of great players as about as any other good NFL school, just with about five times as many busts.

I like how Sacc threw up a Kansas player as an example, if you wanna make fun of a KU player being slow, Dez Briscoe is super slow.

Texas players that have been drafted recently that were pretty good.

Brian Orakpo
Jamaal Charles
Jermichael Finley
Mike Griffin
Aaron Ross
Justin Blaylock
Bryan Robinson
Vince Young
Mike Huff
Cedric Griffin

I understand they werent very good before 06, but since then they have put out a decent amount of good prospects and a fairly low amount of busts.

They have had 19 players selected in the draft since 2006. The ones I listed were the ones I consider fairly good draft picks. The other 8 picks were not good, but not every pick is gonna be, either, to be fair.

Limas Sweed
Tony Hills
Frank Okam
Tim Crowder
Tarell Brown
Casey Studdard
David Thomas
Jonothan Scott
Rodrique Wright

Some of those guys can still end up good players in time.

I guess I havent fully understood the reason for all the hatred of the Texas picks here. Im sure DJ under-producing gives it a bit of a twist for us.

My ears are open because I am always learning...

and DJ?

You should go further back than 2006, it starts with guys like Mike Williams, Roy Williams and Leonard Davis and even Quentin Jammer to an extent, it's about the really high valued players not living up.

Finley is a good player, so is Charles they were I believe 3rd and 4th round picks.

It's not so much about Texas players all sucking as the ones who are suppose to be stars bombing.

And for the record Mike Huff is a bum for where he got drafted.

Heres the point Im trying to make though man, why should we go back further than four drafts to judge the potential effectiveness that their current players might have in the NFL?

Huff is the reason I am cooling off on Berry a little, at the moment. IMHO they are very similar prospects in many ways. He may get my endorsement back for our first rounder, but I just wonder how much impact he would have on a team like us that cant stop the run at all. McClain would step right in and make our whole defense better from his rookie year on.

DJ was drafted in 2005. Try to keep up.

is he a bust?

Texas first round picks

07
#19 Michael Griffin
#20 Aaron Ross
06
#3 Vince Young
#7 Michael Huff
05
#4 Cedric Benson
#15 DJ
04
#7 Roy Williams
#23 Marcuss Tubbs
03
#4 Mike Williams
#5 Quentin Jammer
02
#2 Leonard Davis
#19 Casey Hampton

The busts obviously get a lot more frequent before 2006, but after that they seemed to have gotten their players a lot better equiped to transition to the NFL (except Colt who seems like a pussy with a weak arm)

For a LBer taken at the 15 slot? Absolutely.

A top 15 pick LBer should either be in the mold of DT, Pat Willis or Ray Lewis. DJ is none of those guys.

Aaron Ross is ok when he actually plays, he missed 3 months with a hamstring pull. I wouldn't exactly consider Young and Huff a glowing example of good picks either..

I'm just very skeptical of their players, spread factors in too.

Aaron Ross was a huge contributor to their superbowl run as a rookie starting. Injuries happen.


In your opinion, what does Berry bring to his position that Huff didn't coming out of college? I saw more of Huff that Berry, but I was equally impressed with both players. As I said, I am reluctant to draft Berry because of the lack of impact Huff has made from being such a high pick.

If he ever shook lose from Oakland, he would be a great pickup IMHO.

All Vince Young does is win games.