Mike Mayock comments on top 3 QBs.
 

Out of the 3 top qb's comming into the draft who can you see as the biggest RISK pick Bradford,Mccoy,Clausen?

Mike Mayock, NFL Network
Hey Fred, interesting question. I like Jimmy Clausen, but I see him as the biggest risk. Even though he comes out of a pro-style offense. Bradford is very, very solid. And I think McCoy is a little bit mroe of a developmental play, but easily the best athlete of the three. Clausen, for me, needs to be more consistent in the pocket and needs to make more consistent throws.


So, Mayock thinks Clausen is a bigger risk/bust potential than Bradford and McCoy.

wtf?

Did this guy only watch Clausen's freshman and sophomore tape? He completed nearly 70% of his passes this past year, how much more consistent does he need to be?

Not to mention he played 3/4 of the year with a screwed up foot.

Mayock also commented that Flacco was a 2nd round prospect, but suddenly changed his tune when he got "inside info" on the team's interested in him. I'd take his QB evaluations with a grain of salt.

Why is McCoy even in this conversation?

Because most experts have him rated as a top 3 QB... regardless of the CP opinion of him

Colt McCoy being 3rd should tell everyone how brutal this QB class is.

I would have to agree that Clausen is the biggest risk value wise. Clausen will be a top 10 pick most likely, while McCoy is probably a 3rd or 4th round pick, therefore if he sucks the risk potential is not nearly as high. I like Bradford the most out of this class. I like Clausen 2nd, and I can't decide between Pike or Tebow as my 3rd best QB this year. I really do not like McCoy as an NFL QB.

This is a very weak QB class. Luckily for KC that is not a position of serious need, and positions like Safety are overflowing with talent.

That's arguable if it's a position of need or not, we just know we won't be draft one.

That's true. I was picky with my word usage by saying "serious need".

Next year will be a much better class for both QB and top tier OT... whicfh is perfect for us... by next year we will know exactly what we have in Cassel and Albert and can hopefully get good value with our (likely) top 10 pick

If we're picking top 10 next year we better be picking AJ Green or Julio Jones.

I remember when these guys came out of H.S. Both were incredible athletes and I couldn't pick which one would have the better college career. Both have problems, but if we draft Tate or another top 5 WR this year I don't know if Jones or Green will be a must.

btw, if Albert doesn't improve significantly (meaning, play like he did the last couple of games) then I have no problem picking an OT with our first... I'd really like to see if Nate Solder keeps improving and if his frame can handle anymore weight (6'9" and 305 is a bit light for me)

Even if Albert plays like absolute crap? you'd still take a WR?
Same goes for Cassel... if he plays even worse than this year... you wouldn't take a QB?

If so, that is just ridiculous.

I'd rather not take a WR with a high pick this year, the top 3 guys for next year smoke all of the WR's in this class.

Also the idea that Golden Tate, who's probably an ideal slot WR would keep you from taking Jones or Green who look like superstars would make me slap you.

I don't pass on stars period, if you go back to 2007 as an example, the first 3 picks were Russel, Calvin Johnson and Joe Thomas. I'd take Johnson every time, he'd have gone 1st overall if I was picking.

Well if we have Bowe, and Tate I am sure we would have more important needs than to go WR again with a top pick. Our defense will still need pieces to the puzzle.

You don't pass on superstars because of need...

Who is your #3 in 2011? Terrance Toliver?

so if we NEED a QB, you still take Jones over the top QB in 2011... I am assuming you must not think there is gonna be a superstar QB in that class? (I would disagree)

OR is this simply referring to taking OT (a position you don't seem to value very much)

Michael Floyd.

Although Tolliver factors into the class which is why it's exceptionally strong following this years weak WR class.

This is why last years draft sucked so hard. Last years draft was offensively heavy, especially on the OL, we take 2 defensive linemen. This years class is very strong on defense.

Not playing to the strengths of a draft can kill you.

Those guys aren't the "superstars" your making them out to be. They have all the height, speed, and jumping ability you can ask for, but Jones especially has some pretty bad hands.

I would take Toliver over both Jones and Green at this point.

I would very rarely take an OT with a top 5 pick, 6 and on yea, and if I already had a first rounder there I'd have to be picking below 15 to do it.

We'll see on those QB's, it's of course all heavy projection. Locker and Mallet to me are raw guys who need serious coaching. It's why some people pimped Sanchez so hard, he'd be the #1 pick this year and probably next year too.

Some of these guys are talented but being that raw can be very problematic, Ryan Mallet could be JaMarcus Russell in the snap of a finger.

In that case I think you are high.

True, but he could also be a badass QB if coached up a bit... so, yes, it is based on alot of "what ifs" at this point.

Possibly.

I guess I just need to see Green and Jones again next year and make a futher observation.

These guys are special, I won't deny that. But I will refuse to put them in a class like Fitzgerald, Calvin Johnson, or Andre Johnson.

I don't see any of those players in Green or Jones other than size.

Larry Fitzgerald wasn't Larry Fitzgerald during this process because he kept running 4.5's.

Calvin was always elite, Andre was too other than he had an issue dropping balls.

Uh...Gabbert. Hello?

If he declares and is available when we pick, the Chiefs would be incredibly stupid to pass on that type of talent.

He will stay for his senior year. Who was the last Mizzou QB to go pro early?

I'm not real thrilled about drafting spread QB's with high picks.

Who cares?

Mizzou has never had a QB who could remotely sniff Gabbert's physical gifts.

Gabbert is such a better prospect than Mallett that it's not even funny.

Coming out, Rivals had BG as the #1 pro-style QB in the country, so I think he'll make the transition rather smoothly.

He won't go pro early.

I'm going to upset someone but frankly if the guy wanted to be a top 5 pick he shouldn't have gone to Missouri.

I'm a Mizzou homer, but this is true.

I don't disagree with this, necessarily, but his talents supersede program and system.

There will be some concerns, no doubt, but he'll probably go around #10 overall, which will be either around where the Chiefs will be, or close enough that they could go get him if they wanted.

Any QB that wants to prepare himself for the NFL and possibly be a #1 pick should probably cross off every team that runs the spread.

If he has a solid junior season, which he should, he'd be dumb as **** to return.

What previous QBs have done at Mizzou has no relevance on this discussion, since they haven't had a legit pro prospect in forever.

And then he'll have to sit for probably 2 years as he'll have to learn to properly take a snap, properly drop back and progress through his reads while dropping back...

That's fine. We agree.

But the complete aversion to any and all QBs coming from a spread offense is ridiculous. You have to evaluate the merits of the individual player.

Good rule of thumb, initially, but then you have to breakdown the specifics.

Regarding your last post, how long did it take Roethlisberger? Because we're talking about a more athletic, more gifted version of Big Ben when discussing Gabbert.

Didn't Utah run the spread with Alex Smith? I'm pretty sure that was Urban Meyer's offense.

And what sets him apart from any other spread QB?

Because he's tall and has a strong arm? I know he's going to get a ton of hype around here cause he plays for Missouri.

Hell I saw someone saying we should draft Briscoe the other day and I still have the bruise on my brain from it.

They did, probably explains why it's taken him what 5 years just to become ok enough to play.

He was considered a pro-style QB out of HS, so he has some background in it.

And "because he's tall and has a strong arm"? Dude...

How long did it take Roethlisberger?

Alexander>>>>>>>>Briscoe.

He played in a normal offense in high school, that doesn't really help me at the college level he's doing spread stuff.

All spread QB's have the same questions, he's bigger and has a strong arm and plays for a local school so he's going to get looked at favorably, that's how it rolls.

Basically the entire QB class for next year is a bunch of talented guys who are projects, no one is remotely polished, it's hard for me to get excited about that.

And we get the 1 exception but generally speaking it took him 3 nearly 4 years to become a good QB, they hid him for awhile.

How about Joe Flacco? Times have changed man. If this was 04' I would agree with you, but spread QB's are adapting to the NFL at an alarming rate.

This is also because the NFL is turning into a spread league also. It usually works pretty well.

If this ****ing organization EVER drafts a QB in round 1 again in my lifetime, I'm perfectly fine for the kid sitting the bench for an entire season, and then trying to win the job in year 2.

Like I said, I think Gabbert will transition pretty quickly and efficiently, but if there's growing pains, fine. The upside is too great.

And, yeah, I think using the exception when talking about Gabbert is justifiable because the dude is a freakish prospect.

A couple days ago, Hamas said he'd spend the #5 overall pick this year for the right to have Gabbert next year, and I agree completely.

Kid is going to be special.

Joe Flacco wasn't from the spread he was just from a little school because he transferred out of Pitt.

I actually think the big schools going to the spread may pump up the draft value of players playing for small schools like Flacco.

Gabbert's arm is already stronger than Cassel's and actually about 1/2 of the starters in the NFL today.

Personally I think Mallet and Gabbert are basically the same thing, Jake Locker I would have extreme reservation about drafting.

I don't get as amped about that class as some do, upside is there but no one is polished at all.

Delaware ran the spread outside the 20 yard line. When they got inside the 20 they basically just ran options.

It was definitely a variation of the spread.

Gabbert is more athletic, IMO.

As I pro, I think his basement is Flacco and his upside is greater than Roethlisberger.

Ok I don't watch Delaware so that may very well be true.

Although I don't know if I'd use him as an example after these playoffs where he turned into captain checkdown.

I'm just going to say I can't get jazzed about a class when the most polished player is Jacory Harris.

But he has adapted very well in the NFL, and you can't forget he was the 1st rookie QB to win 2 playoff games. Sure he can thank his running game and defense for that feat, but he has proven to be a very good QB and probably a top 10 QB in the near future.

We'll see, as the year went on he looked to regress.

And for the record I like Jacory Harris provided I was assured he could gain some weight.

i will pray every year of my life for the chiefs to draft a QB....next year will be no different

that said, Green is a ****ing stud...unreal hands and body control...Jones has been handicapped by Bama's offense and shitty QB, but what I've seen makes me want Green over Jones...

He's the exception to the rule. He's Ben Roethlisberger in this case.

Example of someone who has bulked up as considerably as Harris will need to do?

Honestly, he needs to put on, at minimum, 30 pounds of muscle mass. If he doesn't start next season at 205-210, I wouldn't even begin to think about drafting him.

Eh 20lbs would be ok, if he's 195 he could play at 215.

6'4" 215 is too small.

Warner isn't a big dude, and he's listed at 6'2" 214.

Ideally, the Chiefs have the following run of picks (IMO)

2010: Berry
2011: Jones, Green, Floyd
2012: Gabbert

And FWIW, I'd probably take Tony Pike or Jevan Snead over Colt McCoy.

I understand you're posting an "ideal" scenario, which would be a ****ing wet dream to get Green and then Gabbert, but do think that dude is coming out next year?

And, FTR, I wouldn't even waste a draft pick on McCoy. Because it will absolutely be a wasted pick.

He's probably never going to be overly thick, he just needs to not be stick thin.

Granted, everyone is different, but I think the hit that knocked Bradford out against BYU is a perfect illustration of why you really have to think long and hard about drafting a QB who isn't physically stout enough.

People will dispute this, but it wasn't an uncommon hit for an NFL game. Dude landed on top of him. Great. Big ****ing deal. If he wasn't so small, he'd be getting off the turf and continuing to play.

I have no idea about Gabbert. His brother going to Mizzou raises a couple of questions.

Did he do so to be with Blaine?
Did he do it b/c he thought he could get a chance to start in 2011?
Can he legitimately beat out James Franklin? (doubt it)
Will he move to WR? (possibly)


I understand Mecca's argument because I doubt he thinks that Gabbert is a franchise QB and is totally sold on Green being a top 5 NFL WR.

That said, I'm in agreement with you, because I do see him as a franchise QB, and the golden rule of the NFL draft is that you never, ever pass on a franchise QB if you don't have one.

How many times has that rule burned us?

NEVAR FORGET!!

The difference is over the course of the year, Harris got hit and continued to get up and play.

Like I said, he could definitely be the exception for a number of different reasons. But when I see 6'4", I need to be convinced why I shouldn't also see, at least, 225, ideally 235-240.

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Watch a couple of the hits he takes here, one of the first ones is in the beginning highlight package they show, it probably would have killed Bradford.

His delivery is similar to Rivers', that 3/4-arm stuff. Throws a much better deep ball than Cassel.

Where do you think this kid is going, if he comes out?

I fully think he could get a 1st round grade, I don't think he'd go in the top 10 because of his weight so he'd probably end up going in the teens or 20's to a good team looking for a QB.

That would probably be the ideal situation for him. Get going on an NFL weight-training program, add muscle. No pressure to step in too soon.

As good as Green is, I think Michael Floyd is the best of the potential 2011 guys. Unfortunately I don't think he'll put up the numbers he was putting up in '09 in '10, due to a new system, new QB, etc.

Gabbert over possibly Matt Barkley?

Unquestionably

Bumpity bump... I am still liking Solder but he is still way too light for me... obviously, we have a ton of holes to fill and NT, WR seem a bigger priority to me... but I wouldn't cry one bit if we took Solder