CMU QB Dan LeFevour says he has had in-depth talks w/ Chiefs
 

I like this kid, hes big, athletic and a helluva player. wouldnt mind grabbing him if he is there in the 4th or 5th round...

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yeah, I'd take him.

Cool

French QB? I don't want Brett Favre.

Prototype player from a pro-set.

He won't be there in the 5th. The class is too shallow.

About the only QB who's going to be around late as a sleeper due to the shit class is Ryan Perriloux and that's a whole nother debate if you want to take that chance.

He deff. wont be around in the 5th.Kid can deff. play

man, I think we oughta be drafting a QB in the mid to late rounds every friggin' year until we get a good one.

I seriously think so. I'm not sure that you need to draft one in the first round-in fact, I'm sort of generally against it. For every Peyton Manning, there's a Ryan Leaf, a Heath Schuler, two David Carr's and a Joey Harrington. But I think you should be looking for a QB at all times. So yeah, somewhere around round 4 if this kid's there, go for it.

Just my opinion.

Atleast the Chiefs are interviweing everyone this year.

So the QB equation for prospects.

Over 30 starts... check
Completion percentage over 60%... check
Played in pro style offense... check

I might be leaving something out.... check


Let's what happens to his stock between now and the draft. Should we spend the early 4th on him? If the erly part of the draft goes good then yes maybe so.

PhilFree:arrow:

I liked his mobility
he ain't gonna run the wildcat
but he avoided some sacks

That's what I think too.

Your opinion is ****ing stupid and worthless.

Peyton Manning and Ben Rothlisberger account for at least three Super Bowls this decade. Aikman, Young, Simms and Elway accounted for the Super Bowls in the 90's (not to mention Favre, who was traded for a first).

You wanna have the best chance to win a Super Bowl victory?

Draft a QB in the first round.

PERIOD.

You couldn't be any more incorrect on this subject.

Bradshaw won FOUR Super Bowls.

When was he drafted?

Which pick again was he?

LeFevour is the guy I want us to take as a project but I don't think he will be there we want to pick a project.
Plus I think Haley loves Brodie

I assume this is sarcasm. The kid has rushed for over 2000 yards in 3 years at the qb position.

QB Round

B R'Burger 1
E Manning 1
P Manning 1
T Brady 6
B Johnson 9
T Dilfer 1
K Warner n/a
J Elway 1
B Favre 2
T Aikman 1?
S Young 1?
M Rypien 6
J Hostetler 3
J Montana 3
D Williams 1
P Simms 1
J McMahon 1
J Plunkett 1
J Theismann 4
T Bradshaw 1
R Staubach 10
K Stabler 2
B Griese 1
J Unitas 9
L Dawson 1
J Namath 1
B Starr 17

1: 15 Everything else : 11

So the first round has produced almost 40% more SB winning QBs than all the other rounds put together. I'd say the odds of striking gold in round 6 are fairly slim.

Ah, I don't think that means much. It's almost like some high school kid running a 5 flat forty and rushing for over 1000 yards in HS ball from the QB position. That ain't going to work at a college program.

Looks and sounds a little like Trent Green.

Hey, I'll be the first to admit I watch vanishingly little college football anymore, but I really like what I see in those highlights. Big, mobile, decent arm, sounds intelligent in the interview...

I bet Tim Tebow wishes he was Dan LeFevour...

You may not agree with his opinon, but is it really necessary to be such a colossal dick about it?

Yes, for Dane it is. All others who do not agree with him are immediately flogged and degraded. It's how he rolls.

His last name is pronounced "Le-FARV".

Cool.

I think the Chiefs would be wise to hedge their bets at QB and keep drafting them in hopes maybe they get lucky since we really have no idea what Cassel will end up being.

This.

I haven't been on this site that long. However, one thing I have learned is that Dane is deprived of attention...similar to that of the the middle child of 3. He most likely wears black lipstick to match his jet-black hair and charcoal eyeshadow...
:)

Drafting a QB in the first round is high reward, but it's also high risk. Chris Meck gave us a taste of the busts that came from drafting first round QBs. Other busts include JaMarcus Russell, Matt Leinart, JP Losman, Kyle Boller, Rex Grossman, Patrick Ramsey, Tim Couch, Akili Smith, and on and on. When you miss on a 4th rounder, it's no big deal, when you draft JaMarcus Russell, you've married your franchise to a lodestone that's going to drag you down for years.

I'm all for drafting a 1st round QB if you're in a position to do it, you have a reasonable need and you're fairly confident he's the guy. But we've already got a QB who our braintrust seems to think has potential and it's not clear to me that there's a Ben Rothlisberger in this draft, much less a Peyton Manning. Under those circumstances, I think you pass on a 1st round QB, but take a flyer on a later round guy to keep a pipeline of fresh prospects flowing through your franchise so you have a shot at finding the next Montana, Theisman, Brady, Hasselbeck, Gannon, or Warner. When you lose confidence in your main guy (i.e. Cassel), then think about drafting a QB in the first or trading for a guy you like from some other roster.

Jamarcus Russell v 2.0

It's Dane's little schtick. It's kinda weird, but you get used to it and then overlook/ignore it.

Very true IMO also. The problem is the solid argument back at that idea is that we need every pick possible to go towards the crap-load of other needs we have. If it is done, it has to be a risk of taking somebody low because you certainly can't waste things like 2nds and 3rds right now. Matty is here to stay for awhile, so no way they shoot up a high pick. bad situation in most ways.

Thats what I was thinking. Sounds like he ha a good head on his shoulders.

Spread offense QB........Tyler Thigpen part two

Firefox and FFvB Managment tool..

Makes the board readable and enjoyable again...

I don't have anyone on ignore and I enjoy some of Dane's posts. I just don't get why he felt the need to attack someone for their opinion?

I'd grab him if he's there in the 5th. I really don't think he will be though...

If we land 3 starters in the 1st 2 rnds and 1 starter in F/A, I'd take him in the 3rd. Shit, he already looks better than Cassel.

So you're saying we should take LeFevour in the first round :D

Kidding of course.

Isn't this the kid that broke the yards for a DI QB or some other major NCAA record?

Do. Not. Want.

I've been thinking the same thing for 6 years.

But he's a GREAT guy.....I read it on SR's post so it must be true?

With the shallow class of QB's this year and the fact that his skills are no secret I'm thinking this guy will be off the board in round 3.

I second this statement. Don't even see stuff in other quotes anymore.

What round is he likely to be drafted in? Third? Fourth?

This seems to be Pioli's opinion if you look at his draft history (see: Brady, Tom, Cassel, Matt, Guiterrez (sp))

Wow, Dane. You're a complete ass. Did your daddy not hug you enough when you were little? What in your world would possibly make your response acceptable? Is your mom on your case to clean your room or something?

First of all, I don't think your approach to gauging the SB winning QB's is the right one.

There are a LOT of factors that go into winning a SB. Trent Dilfer won one. So did Jeff Hostetler. Jim Kelly did not. Neither did Dan Marino.

Why don't you weigh 1st round QB busts versus 1st round SB winning QB's? What's the percentage there? And as for 40% first rounders, well I think your thinking is flawed if you intend to weight a first round draft pick against each of the other rounds singularly. What I'm talking about is first round vs. anywhere else in the entire freaking draft. So I'm 60% correct, by your own statistics, which are not quite accurate, but whatever. For instance, Steve Young was a USFL refugee, then went to the Bucs for a few years (where he looked rather crappy) before he landed in San Fran to back up Montana and learn from the master, Bill Walsh. So for WHOM is that number 1 pick valuable? His third team?

You can find a statistic to back up nearly any viewpoint.

One thing I didn't like from watching the highlights is there were only a couple plays he looked off his primary reciever. Total tunnel vision.

This guy does have some talent and would be nice to have late, anyone else notice how he mentioned the chiefs before any other team?

He was never in position to draft a QB in round 1 while in New England. They already had a 1st rounder QB in Drew Bledsoe when they lucked into Brady. Once they had Brady, why would they draft a QB in round 1?

If Stephen McGee jumped all the way to the 1st pick in round 4, then LeFevour probably wont be available in round 5.

The Chiefs already have a $60,000,000.00 version of that.

I'm sorry but I'm really ****ing sick of Chiefs fans that state that a first round QB is a risk that shouldn't be taken.

The franchise hasn't taken a first round QB in 27 years and has been pitiful because of it. The prior first round pick in 1979 was cut and helped the Bears tremendously during their Super Bowl season of 1986.

It just never ceases to amaze or piss me off how Chiefs fans can so devalue the QB position.

So the answer to your question is yes.

Uh, no.

Clearly you didn't understand my contempt for his post, nor did you understand my response.

Try to keep up, Douchewad.

I also happen to be correct.

You know, I find it absolutely hilarious that dumb****s like yourself can take a post filled with criticism directed at football opinions only and turn it into something psychological. JFC, what a ****ing pussy.

:shake:

Bottom line: You're wrong. And you're clearly afraid, like so many Chiefs fans, ownership and front office, of drafting and developing a first round quarterback because he might fail.

It's dipshittery at its finest.

Oh, I agree with your original point. I was commenting on your constant, over-the-top, negative and personally insulting responses to posters with whom you disagree.

To me, it's played out, if it was ever entertaining. But I'm sure you'll keep it up for a while, so I was explaining it to the guy who actually (unsurprisingly) took offense to it.

So if I had said that "Your opinion has no merit and is unwarranted", which has the same exact meaning, there would be a few less tender labias in the world today?

Furthermore, what Meck brought up has been discussed ad nauseam, year after year after year, with the same results and responses.

It's getting old.

Well, if you prefer to be viewed as a dickhead, rather than calmly and rationally explaining to someone why YOU think their opinion is wrong, then more power to you.

Often times, I prefer to be a "dickhead", especially when something has been discussed frequently over the course of the past 10 years.

Thanks!

Dane, sorry to put it to ya this way, but your numbers are skewed. Lets look at the reality of first round draft QB's. There have been 58QB's drafted in the first round since 1980. OF those, only 13 have been to the superbowl. You do the math. A few went multiple times, some went and only lost. Point being that if you do the math, Ther was an 18% chance of success drafting a QB in the first round in the last 30 years and an 82% chance of failure. Chiefs fans aren't afraid, they are realistic.

Gimme a break.

The bottom line is that if you want to win a Super Bowl in this day and age, you're far more likely to do so with a QB taken in the first round of the NFL Draft.

This isn't the 50's. Or the 60's. Or the 70's. Or even the 90's.

There are dozens of scouting websites and services. NFL teams employee five to eight or more scouts to cover the country (making that number at about 200 or so). Games are broadcast every single week in every market. The likelihood of teams missing on true, first rate, franchise QB's is minimal.

Hell, look at this year for example. Mark Sanchez took his team to the AFC Championship and was leading at one point in that game over Peyton Manning!

It's extremely unlikely that a player of that caliber slips because everyone in the NFL knows that the QB position is the most important position today.

Bar none.

What's the failure rate for those drafted in rounds 2+ since 1980?

Dane, is there something specific you don't like about LeFevour, or are you just beating the first round QB drum?

Great post.


For those who are offended by Dane's posting style, just think of him as Jeremy Piven and you'll get a laugh everday. The majority of the time he comes off as Ari Gold Jeremy Piven, but every now and then you get a Rush Hour 2 gay salesman Piven, a Old School "cheese" Piven, a The Goods Piven, or even a Two for the Money Piven.

Dane, I actually agree that having a franchise QB is very important. I also agree that it is the most important position on the field. I was simply taking your own argument back to you. If you are gonna use numbers, then your argument that QB in the firt round is a good risk is flawed. The percentages bare it out. I mean cmon, Montana and Brady have accounted for What 6 out of the last 30 superbowls. Thats 20 percent of superbowls by guys drafted in the third round or later. I was simply supporting the guy you bashed earlier with your "stats" which are flawed. Unless you change the NFL record books, you aing gonna win this one.

96.7%

349 QB's drafted in the 2nd round or later since 1980.

12 have started a Super Bowl:

Esiason
Hostetler
Rypien
Gannon
Chandler
Humphries
O'Donnell
Favre
Brady
Hasselbeck
Warner
Brees


EDIT: As I see Joe Montana added to the discussion, I'll add the 1979 draft class.

That takes the total number of QB's drafted in the 2nd round or later to 361, and the total number of those QB's to start a SB to 13.

96.4% failure rate.

Nearly every team missed on Tom Brady six times but the Patriots. Go back and look at pictures and film of him at the Combines. He looks like a doughy little boy, not a franchise QB. You're talking about a once in a generation miss, not something that happens each and every year.

Rothlisberger and Manning were taken in 2004 and both have won Super Bowls. Rivers and Sanchez have both been to the AFC Championship game, as has Flacco. These guys aren't fifth or sixth rounders, they're first rounders.

THAT'S what it takes in today's NFL.

As for Montana, that was more than 30 years ago and everyone knows that if there was a do over draft in any year, Brady & Montana would go number one overall in their respective years.

theres really no debate about what the most important position is in football today.

unless youre a chiefs fan...

That's just ****ing outstanding. Well done.

KC Chiefs: Looking for the right 3.6%

Well, maybe they could just surprise everyone and draft him in the first round to get better odds. :)

I like this kind of outside-of-the-box thinking.

What? Are you a ****ing reerun? What's to understand? No matter your contempt, you are still a HUGE bag of douche.

**** off

Found my new sig. Thanks.

I was wondering this, and didn't know if anyone had done the research on it.

Since it seems that the only way to find a franchise QB is in the first round, I was curious about where specifically in the first round seems to be the best place. To qualify for franchise QB status on this board, it seems that one must win a Super Bowl.

So my question is, how many QBs have been drafted in the top 5 and won a Super Bowl with their original team? It seems that the guys like Roethlisberger, Flacco, and even Sanchez (since the Jets weren't a bad enough team to be drafting top 5 but traded up to #5) are all guys who went to good teams, and definitely benefited from it. I'm not trying to take anything away from any of them, but it occured to me that while we are talking about the number of first round QBs that have won SBs, we should also look at the draft position and quality of team they went to. Seems that a lot of the QBs that are drafted top 5 do indeed bust, and a lot of times I'm not sure if that is because of the player or because of the shitty situation they went into.

Curious if anyone knew of the number of top 5 QBs that have won a SB with their original team?

LMAO.

I have inspired three active sigs on this board: GoChiefs, Sure-Oz, and now OTW.

Too funny.

Most all of those teams had a healthy base built around the team and the QB was one of the later pieces added to the puzzle. Why waste valuable years of a QB's play with a mediocre team that will go nowhere? Get your team competitive first then add the positions that add an immediate impact.

Everyone wants a playmaker, and criticized the organization for taking d-lineman. The guys who take about 3 yrs. to develop. If you didn't have these guys, and the need for them was the only thing holding your team back, you'd draft one and have to wait. Wasting players prime years, contracts(both length and money) and health. A lot can happen over 3 yrs.

If a well rounded, 1st round QB can make a difference in yr. 1, get him when your team is on the cusp. Build your base first. The guys who take time to develop. I know it takes time for the QB to be developed, but a recent trend shows that if you get a good one, maybe not. The guy may not be a world beater at QB, but as long as he can at least be a yr. 1 game manager, he can learn on the fly and you have years of productivity ahead of you. Otherwise you could do like all the shitty teams at the top of the draft over the years have done. Draft a guy with unlimited potential, and drown him in a pool of talentless teammates like the Lions.

A playmaker would make this team better now, and everyone would love it, but it won't really mean anything at all until there's a good base in place. Can't build on a shotty foundation. That is why the experts and coaches prefer to build from the front to back. A lot of guys don't like the unsexy picks in the trenches, but a team ain't shit without 'em. Not saying a o-lineman in the first round. You can get 'em in the 5th round if they can play, just get 'em first. Worry about the accessories later.




That oughta piss Dane off PLENTY! :D







**** you Dane!:)

Regarding what's in bold:

1. Wrong. No one (or damn few) criticized the selection of Dorsey. The problem with '09 was who and his role in a 34.

2. This plan is unbelievably flawed.

If you don't have a franchise QB, you consistently attempt to acquire one. Period. And the sooner the better.

Piss me off? You guys seriously over-think my emotional state. Using strong words to express my opinion doesn't mean I'm "pissed" or angy.

The rest of your post is pure, unadulterated drivel that is not based in reality.

In short, it's nonsense.

From 1980 - present:

The following QB's were selected in the Top 5 and started a SB for their original team. (Elway never played for the Colts, so I'm counting him, just like Eli Manning)

E. Manning
P. Manning
Aikman
Elway
McMahon
McNair
Bledsoe

No one from 6-10

From 11-15: Roethlisberger, Kelly, Eason

From 16-32: Marino

ooh, Dane called me a pussy on the interwebs!

This is the kind of crap that drove me away from here in the first place. For everyone else posting here that's not a complete douchebag-

First round QB's have a failure rate in the mid 80's. Non-first rounders in the mid 90's.

Interesting. Okay. I'd say that the impact on your franchise of whiffing on a 1st round QB might offset that extra 10% or so likelihood of success. Particularly if you're absolutely shitty everywhere else.

I'd say that the Chiefs SHOULD have drafted one in the first round nearly any year from 91-97. Why? Otherwise a fairly complete team. Good defense, good line to block for you. Good time to take a risk like that.

Right now? nope.

I'm not afraid of anything. I'm certainly not afraid of whiffing on a QB-I just don't see that as a smart move, especially when the rest of the team is so weak. See, Sanchez may indeed become a franchise QB-and I like him and think he will-but he ain't there yet. He was on a pretty short leash and the defense and running game carried that team. Sanchez on the Chiefs and we're still 4-12. Maybe worse. AND, we'd probably ruin the poor kid ala Joey Harrington.
And I'm certainly not afraid of Dane. Dane, if you'd like to continue this discussion in person, shoot me a p.m., bro! Or are you just an internet bully?

The impact of whiffing on anyone in round 1 is serious. QB would only be marginally more expensive, but with tremendous more upside.

The fact that far more of the representative fans on this site aren't strongly advocating the team draft and develop its own QB is really surprising to me.

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