If Berry is there and we pass
 

For either

A) Okung
B) McClain
C) B5TA
D) Joe Haden
E) Dez White
F) Sam Bradford (but not Clausen)
G) Dan Williams (think of picking a guy 15 spots above where he was projected)

How does that affect your view of this regime, if at all?

It doesn't.

Since I was never on the Pioli bandwagon, I'd have to say that it would (continue) to reinforce my belief that Pioli was not the right guy for this job.

Expand and develop.

I would think that if Berry is there and they don't take him, it will be for 3 reasons:

His left shoulder injury in 08 is a concern
Pioli realizes he needs a #1 WR -White
Trades out of #5

All I have to say is that whomever they pick better make a significant contribution in the near future. Not a he contributes in a way that fans don't appreciate pick. Ultimately, I'll judge this regime in wins and losses starting this year. Last year was a throw away year. This team better improve significantly every year.

If they take Dan Williams or Bradford I would be thrilled. Obviously other then C I wouldn't really care either way. I started a thread thowing how players drafted 11-15 are often better then the guys drafted 1-5 the same year. So just because a guy like Berry is graded a top 5 pick and Williams is graded top 15 really doesn't mean a thing IMO. I'm not on the Cassell bandwagon and I know enough about Bradford to be excited about that pick.

Haden I could live with, but that ****er better be the next Darelle Revis if he does.

Everybody else, I'd flip my shit.

Fortunately, I'm betting that Berry's off the board by the time we pick so I won't have to flip out.

A) Okung Smash face with crowbar
B) McClain Throw my self through plate glass window
C) B5TA Circular saw to my testicles
D) Joe Haden Inject Draino directly into jugular
E) Dez White Umm, yeah right
F) Sam Bradford (but not Clausen) Squeeze cranium in vice until eye crosses like Bradford
G) Dan Williams (think of picking a guy 15 spots above where he was projected) Agent Johnson: Lose twenty, twenty-five percent of the hostages.
Special Agent Johnson: I can live with that.

If they take Okung, I'll go ****ing crazy.

Anyone else, I'll wait and see how they perform.

Dan Williams seems like a Pioli pick and if he plays good I won't care. The others suck though.

Who the **** is Dez White?

I would be okay with McClain or Hadden. I wouldnt like it but i would not kill myself. Everyone else would bring me great pain.

common cp ****up

1 pick,1 game 1 year doesn't mean shit .... it all depends on how the team trends.

if they get better and staring building something then it's all good.



winning is what matters all this other crap is just a bunch of bitches crying

If Berry is there and we pass we're the stupidest muthafukas on draft day...hands down. We reach last year and then we pass on a bonafide superstar this time out...my God..it won't be pretty in the CP lounge. It was bad enough we traded picks with Pittsburgh so they could draft Polamalu and we took Larry Johnson...I don't want a repeat of that situation.

Those guys are often better because they are on a better team..

I'll flip the **** out unless he drafts Clausen at #5. It'll show me that he can admit that he made a mistake with Cassel.

Great point. Wouldn't it make sense that picking great players when you have the opportunity to pick great players would produce a team with great players, thus producing a team that wins?

If we pass on Berry and go Okung, I'm going to go apeshit. I might even do something crazy.

The rest of the picks... eh. I'll probably think less of Pioli than I already do now, but I won't be pissed off or anything

Well , I think Pioli hiring of HC/OC/DC are good initially so I think I would have to rely on Pioli and his scouting office that I'm quite sure has reviewed hours upon hours of tape regarding the #5 pick to make a better decision based on their football knowledge than anyone on this board. I know, I know, Tyson Jackson. Will he look like a great draft choice in his 3rd/4th season. We can't say yet.

This is the correct answer. I think Berry is a darn good player but I want a playmaker period end of story don't care what their draft rating is or what position they play. As far as positional value safety is only a couple of notches above center. They pull a major playmaker and they have my support whoever it is.

I'm getting to the point I want them to pass on Berry because of this sycophancy from the "experts" on Chiefsplanet.

Dave wants them to pass on Berry to piss off people on the forum, good luck with that asinine take.

Berry is not a god. He's not even Aaron Curry (man-god (c) ) There are actually other players in this draft that I guarantee you will turn out to be better than Berry.

He's a far better prospect than Curry was, what are you trying to argue? You don't want to pick him cause everyone else does?

:popcorn:

If you wanted Curry last year your opinion doesn't matter, you already proved your an idiot. Let me guess, you want Okung? LMAO

I will probably freak the **** out and have to stay away from CP for a while.

So is everyone that believes Berry is the only choice here trying to tell me there won't be 1 player drafted after Berry that goes on to have a better career?

If we draft Okung and Berry is there, I will probably have a breakdown. It will feel worse than last year when we took Jackson. I have faith Jackson will be a good pick though.

How great would it be if we took Okung and the dude turns out to be a Willie Roaf type LT? Watching the CP experts have to eat crow would be great.

Trent Green is a perfect example of a player having a great career despite being a great prospect/player. To have a great Career you need the right circumstances. Look at Randy Moss in Oakland compared to the Patriots. Glenn Dorsey was a top 5 pick and the year later he is playing 3-4 DE. Was he a worse pick because of it based on what we knew then?

Unless you can see the future you can only guess how good of a player this could be. Berry looks pretty darn good that's why everyone wants him.

Yea cuz you know, every year theres a tackle that ends up having a Roaf like career

Nothing at all affects me anymore I've been a Chiefs fan for 40 years.

The people who give the "someone later could end up being better" are just flat our reeruned. Thats like saying we should think about drafting a 7th round prospect first because well he could end up being better. You draft players who have the talent and a better chance of being better. Sure Okung could end up being good in the right situation, but hes physically not worth the pick like someone like Berry is.

It won't change my view because of what we should have learned last year: The draft board of an NFL general manager is different than the draft board of the average NFL fan.

I used to think that but watching the Steelers without Polamolu or the Colts without Bob Sanders or the Ravens without Ed Reed has changed my mind. A great safety can be the glue that holds a defense together specially in todays pass happy league.

...then they found something in his game that indicates that he'll have trouble transitioning to the next level. They guy doesn't have the best fundamentals (shoulder pad tackles virtually everytime), has a potential question mark about a lingering shoulder situation, and his numbers in his junior year took a nose dive - at least in comparison to his freshman and sophomore stats. (And yes, I understand that he played up this season rather than being a ball hawk, but his tackle numbers were the same, his sacks went to zero and his interceptions were cut substantially.) He doesn't possess ideal size, especially for the next level. He could be Ed Reed based on his athleticism and passion for the game. He could be Bob Sanders - passion for the game, but because of the size, he can't stay healthy and on the field. He could be just another guy that ends up at the nickle if he doesn't learn to wrap up or can't handle the size of modern NFL tight ends and the like.

He's a stud and has potential, but it's not like he's a slam dunk.

Besides, he's a safety. He won't be put on an island, and is a support position player for the run and pass. Last line of defense, but he's not the first line of defense. People bitch about taking offensive linemen in the first round, but yet are okay with a safety in the top five? That position defines the concept of "you can get quality players for that position later in the draft."

The fact is Safeties as good as Berry are never in the draft. There are OT's as good as Okung(and actually better) every single year.

Berry is a once-in-ten-years type prospect at his position.

There's a Russell Okung every damn year in this draft. Okung is nothing spectacular or special. I'd say grab the playmaker.

I say we build the OL back up and grab a TE while neglecting the defense. Thats a proven way to win Championships and Playoff games. I mean why draft elite talent when you can just draft someone you can draft every year?

So are you going to answer the question? I tell what what I'll just keep it to the first 20 picks. Will someone in the top 20 drafted after Berry have a better NFL career? Don't give me the crock of shit that it matters how good the team is. Jared Allen and Tony Gonzalez both still shined on a sorry ass Chiefs team. A good player looks like a good player on any team.

What's up with this strawman of people wanting Okung? I think I've seen like 1 guy on here lobby for the pick.

Yeah players drafted after Berry will be better. But if those same players went to a bad situation like Berry they would be worse.

And neither is really any better then other. Most years the 11-15 group is as good if not better then 1-5. I know it pisses off all the draft guru's that think there is significant difference between any of the top 20 guys in the draft and a guy they have ranked at 5 is twice the player a guy rated at #20 is, but that's just not the case as history shows us that.

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=223331

You just don't get it do you? Good players are still good on bad teams. Calvin Johnson still puts up numbers on a shit team, Jared Allen still gets 15 sacks with the Chiefs. You are making excuses already for the kid and you are assuming the team he plays for will remain picking in the top 10. 4 years ago the Saints were picking #2, 2 years ago the Falcons and Dolphins picked in top 5 and made the playoffs.

Uhh, I was talking to Saccopoo. He's that one guy who wants an OT with the pick.

I'll answer the question. The chance that Berry is better than 15 other fantastic athletes in a single draft class is extremely unlikely. The chance that one of those 15 other athletes is better than the 14 other athletes or Berry is extremely unlikely.

So given that information, the answer is yes. Berry is a better prospect and has a better chance of success than those other players. That's why he's so highly touted.

Calvin Johnson was also a rare prospect like Berry is, so you fail right there. And Allen fell because of small school and character issues. Also I like how your talking about a bunch of different positions when I'm just talking about safeties.

Safety is barely more important than center:

Signed: Ed Reed, Troy Polamalu, Rodney Harrison, Darren Sharper, Brian Dawkins.

This douche needs to get out of his hole hes been in for ten years and realize Safety is a hell of a lot more important now than it was when he entered the hole.

Nothing and I mean nothing is sadder than the people who honestly have more interest in hoping someone is wrong or looks dumb than the future of this team.

Whether you personally dislike me, Hamas or anyone else, this take is pure reerunation.

Is it good or bad to know that "average fan" could have outdrafted the Chiefs this past year?

Cool. Let's talk 80's Chiefs football suckage and a standout on that team named Derron Cherry......

In your opinion, but odds are you are wrong as you admit. If the Chiefs go with say another player like Graham who isn't "rated into the top 10" and he turns into Demarcus Ware then that's a brillant move that we should be open to.

What exactly is the base of this argument?

Eric Berry is one of the premier prospects in the draft, your argument is what?

I don't think anybody is saying that bro. What we are saying is not every player other then Berry sucks.

He's one of the few guys worth the pick, and Sacc has been arguing shit like that so it's not "no one".

His arguement was that Berry wouldn't look good on a bad team. My arguement is that is doesn't matter. Great players still look good on crap team. He didn't like my comparison of Allen, Johnson, etc and wanted a safety so I mentioned a bad team that had a safety stand out that I thought we would all be familar with.

Depends on the position the player plays, a great WR on a team with no QB well he's not gonna perform all that highly.

Don't worry though this team likely won't take Berry, we don't need any elite level playmakers.

No, there are 15 guys worth the pick based on past history of the draft. The trick is picking one of those 15 and not taking Ryan Sims, or Tyson Jackson.

I disagree with that, generally speaking there are a mere handful of guys worth top 5 picks, no matter how good Jackson ever becomes he will never be worth his pick which makes him a stupid pick.

Individuals go to the pro bowl, teams win championships.

You'll also notice that none of the final four teams this year had any pro bowlers.

Megatron has looked pretty good without a QB, but you are right to a degree.

If they take him I would love it, but to say every other player that could be drafted is fail is just wrong. I think that's the point everyone is trying to make. I don't love 1 player, I like Berry, I like Bradford, I like Graham and Williams right now. As always QB is the biggest gamble but I won't be butt hurt unless we do something as bad as the TJ thing again.

Just like the they all had lowly drafted bum QB's they had to sign or trade for and all ran the 3-4 too.

Pioli is going to draft McClain, just get use to that idea because it's very likely.

I disagree. I can go back through any draft from 3-4 years ago and pick out 15 guys that if they were taken number 5 you say good pick.

You get no arguement from me on Jackson. I really don't know what the hell that was all about.

15 is a lot because in general value terms with contracts there are positions that aren't worth the pick let alone the player.

What?

He's being sarcastic about all that right 53 and teams win not players bullshit that Pioli was spouting.

If you are talking contact right out of the gate, no none of them are worth it, but if you just go back and say our team took x player at #5, then I can pull 15 guys from a draft where you give them an "A" for the pick 2-3 years down the road.

I'd love to see you do that, I'd be willing to bet you'd list several guys that I would never put that high regardles.

Ehhhh, it can be done that way I suppose, but I'll take the stars

When I have more time I'll give it a shot.

I don't dislike any of you as I don't know you. I just think it would be funny if everybody a player everybody is so against turned out to be great. Also, I don't see how the Chiefs drafting Okung and him being a HOF lineman would be bad for the future of the team.

Are you stupid? Ware was a talented prospect with upside, Graham isn't. Graham is like what Hali was coming out, what you see is what you get. Sure he won't be a flop like some other players, but he wont be great either.

Late on this, but it doesnt. They are in that position to make this team better, they dont go into the draft saying, imma pick this dude so our team can get worse.

I will give them a chance to see what they can do. I got no real choice anyways. I could get all pissed, but what the **** for? 5 years ago i probably would have, now? Do whatever they have to do to get this team better. After Hurricane CP cleared out, there needed to be much rebuilding to do.

Yeah, I'm sure you would have said the same thing about Lamar Woodley.

Yeah? You think he would be great here? Or do you think he would be like all the other great Steelers linebackers to go to another team and suck it up? Harrison couldn't cut it with the Ravens and now hes a Steelers MVP. But seriously, if a Woodley caliber player is what your aiming for with the #5 pick then you should probably just die.

I, too, am trying to be stoic about this. Though I think Pioli had a bad draft last year, I just have to hope that they know what they are doing. I, too, want a playmaker, at any position. I'm going to try and be supportive of anyone they pick at #5.

The only way I will gush with excitement is if Pioli manages to somehow trade down and get us another second rounder. Then, he will be hero for a team that has so many needs, in my book anyway.

What if he trades down and we end up with just another bum?

Getting extra picks isn't the key to winning, the 49ers one year traded down 3 times and got Rashaun Woods out of the deal, that's a fail.