The plan
 

Sign Dansby & Ben Watson (shut it)
Draft
1 - 5, Berry, S - Best player on the board at a position of serious need
2 - 36, Jason Pierre-Paul, OLB - He's climbing and a lot of people think he goes in the first, but there are a lot that think he's a top of the 2nd guy too.
2 - 50, Cam Thomas, NT - I don't think he'll last until round 3. 330 lb NT prospects probably won't in this draft.
3 - 69, Arrelious Benn, WR - Had a 1,000 year as a sophmore and got hurt his junior year, for a couple of games, and didn't put up big numbers so he could slide into the top of the third round. He has an ability we need in a WR; to adjust to a poorly thrown ball.
4 - 104, Kyle Calloway, RT - He or Ciron Black could very well be here.
5 - 141, Clay Harbor, TE - CBS has him rated as a 4th rounder, but he played at Missouri State so he could go undrafted. I've said before that I think this kid is the real deal and I wouldn't want to miss out on him.
5 - 147, Eric Olsen, C - Weis loves him and since they wouldn't let him have Clausen...
5 - 152, Freddie Barnes, WR - Hands of gold.
6 - 179, Myron Rolle, SS - Yeah I don't think he'll be available either, but some sites have him falling this far, so if he did, I'd be all over it.

Why would we sign Dansby when we have DJ? What does Watson give us that Pope/Cottam doesn't? How do we draft first round pick Paul in the second? I would jizz if we got Benn in the third, and same with Rolle in the sixth especially since we don't have a pick in the sixth.

You forgot to ask him if he watches football.

Oh for the love of God.

Jason Pierre Paul is going to go in the top 15, and Benn might I stress might make it to the Chiefs first 2nd round pick, the 3rd is laughable.

Thats a great plan man. Swiss ****ing watch if i understand it correctly.

2010 depth chart
Offense:
QB - Cassel, Croyle, Gutierrez
RB - Charles, Smith
FB - Cox, Castille
WR - Bowe, Barnes, Long
WR - Chambers, Benn
TE - Watson, Pope, Harbor
LT - Albert, Richardson
LG - Waters, Alleman
C - Olsen, Smith
RG - Smith, Alleman
RT - Calloway, O'Callaghan

Defense:
LE - Jackson, Gilberry
NT - Thomas, Edwards - lots of shared PT while Thomas gets up to speed
RE - Dorsey, Magee
LOLB - Pierre-Paul, Studebaker
LILB - Johnson, Williams
RILB - Dansby, Mays, Belcher
ROLB - Hali, Walters
LCB - Flowers, Richardson, Daniels
RCB - Carr, Washington, Leggett
SS - Brown, Rolle
FS - Berry, Page
K - Succop
P - Colquitt

...erm..
we draft fifth, pierre-paul will not be there at 36, cam thomas will not be there at 50, and arrelious benn will not be there at 50, let alone 69.

I like the Dansby pick. DJ will be traded away IMO.

Dansby is going to end up with the Giants, that's my thought anyway.

Disagree. Fewell wants fast, light linebackers for the cover 2 shell scheme he will run. I think Gary Brackett ends up in Indy.

I think Dansby ends up in New England.

I've thought all along that Dansby would either end up with the Giants or Redskins.

Perry Fewell is terrible the cover 2 is so out of date, the fact that the Giants hired him is so incredibly laughable.

isn't gary brackett already IN indy?

Did you even bother to read the comments next to the player?

Paul isn't guaranteed to be a first rounder, there are sites that have him going later.

Watson is better than both Pope & Cottam, by far. Not because he chased down Champ Bailey. He's a LOT better athlete than both and aside from being a superior athlete, the thing he gives us over them is speed.

Sixth round pick, your right, my bad. Shoot me.

Most sites don't have Paul in the top 15. Paul is projected on some sites at later picks"early 2nd and#41 overall.
There are multiple highly rated DE/OLB types that are getting first round consideration and someone will fall, but yes Paul is the hot name right now.

Benn is projected as a 2nd on a few sites and a 3rd on1,. Again, I said he "could slide into the 3rd", not that he would.

Yes, forgive me for typing "3" instead of "5".

Regarding Thomas, I suggested getting him in the 2nd and was referred to a few sites that had him going in the 3rd or later.

There's a better chance Benn will go in the 1st round than the one of him falling to the 3rd. And the offseason process is going to make Pierre Paul a high riser, I fully expect him to be a top 15 pick at worst.

There are always players who get first round publicity and still fall farther than some expect.
In Arizona, they have a bunch of them:
Anquan Boldin - slow 40 time dropped him from a 1st rounder to the 54th pick
Early Doucet - was projected to be a late first rounder and ended up getting picked in the 3rd
Calais Campbell - Was a 6'8" freak coming out of Miami but had a poor combine and pro day and slipped to #50
Karlos Dansby - Was projected to go in the late 1st but slipped to the #33 pick
Darnell Dockett - Also projected as a 1st rounder before going at pick #64

There's always players that fall below where they were projected or rated: Vince Wilfork, Big Ben...Maclin fell last year thanks to Oakland's screw up, Maualuga was considered a steal in the 2nd by more than a few thanks to a bad combine, Everette Brown dropped last year, Connor Barwin was considered a fringe 1st by a lot, Michael Johnson dropped to the third.

And you listed 2 guys who won't work out poorly, that's the problem.

Benn is 6'2 and runs a sub 4.4, Pierre Paul is an athletic freak at his size.

Did anybody else notice that he thinks we pick #3 overall? If thats the case, there would be no discussion about who KC should take. I think about 75 percent of us want Eric Berry.

I realize regarding Benn that you are probably right and it probably depends on his 40 time. How high would you rank him among the WR's? As I said before, Doucet & Boldin both fell a lot further than most would have expected.

My thought is that you have a lot of teams that are running a 3-4 without the personnel and this is a defense heavy in the first and second, which would support Paul going early and heavy on highly rated O-lineman.

On WR's you've got Bryant, Tate, LaFell, Thomas & Williams also getting first round pub, thats six and it won't all happen. I've been surprised by Tate getting mid to late first round publicity. Last year there were 6 taken in the 1st followed by 2 in the 2nd. The 1st round teams that took them were Raiders, 49rs, Eagles, Vikings, Giants & Titans. 2nd round were both picked by the Browns.
I don't know how often teams, actually draft the same position two years in a row, but it probably doesn't happen very often outside of KC.

I don't think any receiver including Bryant is worthy of a top 10 pick, so
then you have, IMO, the teams most likely looking for a WR in the Dolphins, Titans, Bengals & Jets. Outside of them, I don't see any team taking one in the first.

In the 2nd round, out of the teams that would have been picking too high to take one in the 1st, I think you have us, Cleveland, Buffalo, Jax & Carolina.

In 2008 there were none in the first and 10 in the 2nd.

I already addressed that.

I'll fix it for you.

Thomas and Lafell are 2nd rounders, Tate probably is too because he's short and I don't think he'll time elite.

Benn is big and will almost assuredly put up a sub 4.4, Williams is all polish so I figure those 2 along with Bryant are the top 3.

I don't know about sub 4.4.

Quote:

Doesn't have the top-end speed to separate from NFL starting corners but makes room using his strength.

also questioning his toughness
He also only had 490 yards receiving & 2 TD's. Even his best season was only 3 TD's.

I don't think Benn is sub 4.4 either. I also don't think JPP is top 15 material. He's an athletic freak for sure, but I think his lack of production keeps him out of the top 15, and I could see him dropping to the 2nd round. Like the guy said, Michael Johnson dropped to the 3rd round and he's pretty similar to JPP imo.

He played with Juice Williams.

Maybe not now...

Demaryius Thomas breaks his foot

Posted by Mike Florio on February 17, 2010 8:50 PM ET

Late last month, Silva pointed out that the draftniks have been waking up to Georgia Tech receiver Demaryus Thomas. (Actually, Russ Lande of Sporting News was one of the first draft experts to push Thomas up the board.)

But now Thomas could slide, due to a broken foot suffered Wednesday while working out, according to Tony Pauline of SI.com.

Per Pauline, the injury happened while Thomas was practicing the three-cone drill, one of the various events of the Underwear Olympics.

Agent Todd France told Pauline that it's a clean break, and that Thomas is expected to recover in four to six weeks.

"There are no long-term effects from the injury and Demaryius will be
100 percent by the time OTA's begin," France said. The agent also added that surgery is possible, if it "hastens the healing process."

Thomas averaged nearly 20 yards per catch during his three-year career at Georgia Tech.

I still think he's a 2nd rounder, maybe more late 2nd than early 2nd now.

Sorry, you were probably talking about Cam.

Maybe so. Just saw the news and thought you had been in favor of him in the second. I like what I've seen of Demaryius.

I'm really not that high on Cam Thomas. Go watch some North Carolina football and you'll be impressed with their defense, but Cam does not stand out. I think the people that are moving him up to the 2nd round are giving the Senior Bowl performance too much credit.

God bless the team that takes Paul in the first round so the Chiefs don't have to even consider this over-hyped, non-producing, poor man's Aaron Maybin in the second.

Seriously. Five sacks. In a dog shit conference. With Selvie playing opposite of him. If the Chiefs picked him in the fifth round, I'd be pissed.

Ralphy Boy,

I like what you've done with identifying KC needs, bringing in some key free agents, and then drafting for those needs. I also agree with a lot of the needs that you are addressing.

Some of the players, I'd change, but that's just me.

And then you have the objective, reasonable and intelligent 4% minority want someone who'll contribute from a position of greater importance than that of a rover safety. There's also a 20% vocal fringe minority would like a quarterback, preferably Clausen, because he didn't play in the Big 12, and the remaining 1% whackjobs would prefer a middle linebacker with middling speed.

They always do. The Senior Bowl always seems to elevate defensive linemen.

He'll go earlier than he should because of the teams switching to a 3-4. I wouldn't be surprised to see Buffalo take him in the second. Maybe even the Chiefs with one of theirs. Personally, I don't know why they just don't take one of those guards that they've got laying around and switch him over. For teams desperate for a 6'3", 335 lbs. NT, there always seems to be a plethora of like specimens who play OG that never even get drafted.

Since we have some free agents mentioned in the thread, I'll bring this news up.

Thought it was interesting that soon after it came out that Titans guard Eugene Amano agreed to a $25 million for five years contract that NE guard Stephen Neal's agent said that Neal is not retiring and he will be a free agent.

Let the money flow. If he's not too expensive, KC might want Stephen.

I think Pioli will talk to Ben Watson's agent too.

Buffalo is going to take Dan Williams with it's first pick, just watch....unless a QB magically falls.

Thank you.

I'd like you all to take a look at a DT/NT from East Carolina and see what you think. I've only seen parts of about 4 games from this year, but I was very impressed.

I first started looking at them because I was interested in NT Jay Ross. I wasn't very impressed with him. Jay got pushed around a lot at the Texas VS Nation practices. He also did not look that good watching some of their games during the season.

Anyway this one defensive lineman really made an impression. He came out this year for the draft after having 59 tackles and 3 sacks. He missed one game against Memphis, so he did that in 12 games. That is pretty good for a NT that is 6'6", 330 lbs. He is only a junior so he is young. He is not a 1 year wonder. He had 37 tackles, 2 sacks last year and 40 tackles 1 sack the year before. His name is Linval Joseph.

If you watch some video of East Carolina's defense, you will see Linval pushing the offensive linemen around and creating some problems for the QB. East Carolina played some teams like Virginia Tech, West Virginia, Arkansas, UCF, and Houston. You might be able to see him play by watching some of their game videos.

We should have a convo of what we think the Chiefs will actually do, that'd be more interesting.

Found one highlight reel on
Youtube. Looks like he can get pretty low for such a big guy.

I hope it is a different process than it was last year. I think last year Pioli really did not understand the full needs of the Chiefs and he made a lot of his choices on his own.

This year he has people that he will hopefully listen to.

If they draft and pick free agents like they did last year, I'll probably still follow them but maybe I'll have to adopt another team until Pioli is gone.

Thats the part about last season that was the most frustrating. Pioli was supposed to be Mr. Everything, he knew we had no pass rush, so with the top pick he added a 5-Technique and told everyone "he won't get many sacks". WTF Pioli, we just set a record for least # of sacks in a season and you draft a defensive player that isn't supposed to get sacks?????

But then since he added Vrabel, I guess he felt like we'd be set in that category.

#97 Linval Joseph also had 13 tackles for loss and one blocked kick this season.

Most of the draft boards have him in the 5th, but I would imagine that NFL teams have noticed him. Also as pointed out about Cam Thomas, big men will be in demand and he will probably go earlier than expected.

Sorry to take over the thread with this info, but I thought people might be interested.

I checked and he is invited to the NFL Combine.

01/20/10 - East Carolina junior defensive tackle Linval Joseph will forego his senior season and enter the 2010 National Football League Draft according to a confirmatory announcement by the league Tuesday. He was included among a list of 53 players released by the NFL who have been granted special eligibility for this year's draft, scheduled for April 22-24. Joseph met the league's three-year eligibility rule and submitted a written application in which he renounced his remaining college football eligibility with the Pirates. The Santa Fe (Fla.) High School product was a two-time All-Conference USA performer who recorded 60 tackles this year - a team-high 13.0 of those coming behind the line of scrimmage for lost yardage. He was credited with five or more stops on six occasions and was the unit's co-leader with 14 quarterback hurries, tallying a combined six in division and conference championship-clinching wins vs. Southern Miss and Houston. In 41 career games, Joseph booked a total of 143 tackles, 29.5 TFLs and 6.5 sacks.
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings...2010&genpos=DT

I guess I'm contributing to your thread by giving you other players that might be considered besides Cam Thomas for NT. Another player is Torell Troup. I won't go into all of the detail on him, but I think he would also be a good 3, 4, or maybe even 5th round selection.

Also take a look at Central Michigan's WR Antonio Brown as a possible 5th round pick. He's not real big but he can play some WR and also return kick offs and punts for the Chiefs.

Back on the subject of Pioli's draft last year.

In the months leading up to the draft we knew they needed to do something about QB, center, right guard, right tackle, and receiver on offense. On defense they needed NT, DE, and LBs, since they were moving to a 3-4 defense. I don't think safety was as big a need until after they cut Bernard Pollard. They also needed to improve the kicker position.

When you look at the free agents signed, trades, and the results of the draft, it was very disappointing. Matt Cassel was brought in for QB. I still have hope that he can get better. Mike Goff and Andy Alleman was the answer at right guard. Eric Ghiaciuc was brought in for center. Ike Ndukwe and Colin Brown would take care of right tackle. Bobby Engram, Amani Toomer, Quinten Lawrence, and Ashley Lelie, were supposed to fix our WR need. Mike Vrabel, Zach Thomas, Corey Mays, and Monty Beisel were going to help the LB position. Tyson Jackson and Alex Magee would man the defensive line. Travis Daniels, Mike Brown, and Donald Washington wound make the secondary stronger. Ryan Succop would be the kicker.

So how many of our needs were met?

Again, I'm just hoping that this next year will be better.

He also looks good in videos where he's not the featured player. He looks like he hustles and works at it each play. That video listed him at 315 but I've seen him listed as high as 330. He's 6'6" so put on the feed bag and get him up to 340.

Saw the news on OG Neal of NE yesterday. I would bet he's a Chief this year as right guard is a great need. Don't know if they'll resign Wade Smith and wasn't that nuts about Alleman. Again I think Pioli wll reach and take NT Williams with the 5th pick.

Can we just draft one and stay away from 33-year old injured guards please?

I meant with the Giants.

Sounds good to me. One less hole to fill in our mock.

1. S - Eric Berry, Tennessee
2. WR - Arellious Benn, Illinois
2. NT - Cam Thomas, N. Carolina
3. OLB - Eric Norwood, S.Carolina
4. RB - LeGarrette Blount, Oregon
5. OT - Chris Scott, Tennessee
5. C - Eric Olsen, Notre Dame
5. S - Myron Rolle, Florida St.

FA - ILB Karlos Dansby

This would be nice, but it won't even remotely happen. Good pipe dream though.