Boldin on the market
 

Well, what is he worth in a trade? 2nd or 3rd? What will his contract have to be for any prospective team?

I'd give up nothing higher than a 4th, and be nervous about that.

I would definitely give up a 3rd for Boldin, possibly even the low second round pick. Boldin still has some left in the tank, and would solidify the WR between Bowe, Boldin, and Chambers.

I don't care about the time Boldin has missed. He would be a steal for a 3rd.
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Hasn't boldin been on the market for the last 2 years more or less?

No thanks. He's getting old (not that old yet, just sayin'), has shown he's injury prone, and he's been bitching about his contract as long as I can remember. I wouldn't want to give up a pick unless we got him signed at the right price and I doubt he'd go for that in KC. And no way would I give up more than a 4th with our draft position.

No, hes wanted to be traded.

This.
I think it's funny when folks say that they would not give anything better than a 4th and likely not even that - like when was the last time the Chiefs did anything with a 4th to act like it's such a BIG deal??? Boldin is PROVEN. We all know the Chiefs could do,and have done, much worse than trading a 3rd or a 4th for Boldin.

That's exactly how I feel about it. Boldin could be a 1,000 yard receiver in KC for the next 4-5 years. I'd rather have him then some unproven third rounder that may or may not even be more than depth in that same timeframe.
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He's proven he wants a shitload of money, and he's proven to be hurt.

He's proven he's a sure handed WR, and a 1,000 yard WR that can be a #1 or a very productive #2.
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Hell yes.

Could be?

Well so could Golden Tate, Arrelious Benn, Dez Bryant or Mardy Gilyard.

And I'd take everyone of them before a broken down, near 30 year old player.

If he's your number one, your team is ****ed.

He's a possession receiver.

Period.

Great insight. You have convinced me that we should take Tate or Bryant with our 3rd and 4th round picks if they are available.

If he can stay healthy, he'd be a great get. The "if", however, is huge.

I don't get how that's such a big if? In the past 5 seasons, he's had 4 seasons with 1000 yards. In his one bad season, he played in 12 games and had over 850 yards receiving and 10 TDs. If he only played 5 seasons for us and equaled his worst year's stats each of those 5 years, he's still worth more than a 3rd. His line would look something like this:

5 seasons
355 catches
4265 yards
50 TDs

That alone would make him one of the 5-10 all time most prolific receivers in our franchise's history.

Trade for him and let Chambers go.

The concern would be that as you get older, coming back from injury becomes more and more difficult.

He hasn't missed a lot of time to injury, but he has been prone to injury, and that could become an issue as he ages.

hines ward is doing okay.

And here is a guy that is a perfect fit for Baltimore, I wouldn't be surprised if they made a run at TO either, they need WR's in a bad way.

I agree. Some things get out of hand on here. Don't want to pick on Sully, but it wouldn't surprise me if he was in favor of paying Peppers an insane amount. Just an example. They still need to grab another guy with Boldin or not.

:shake:

Santonio Holmes and Big Ben are a big factor.

And, he's a dirty mother****er.

TO is on the decline.

He's still better than anyone on Baltimore's roster

Owens is still good, he's not what he was in his prime but he can still play.

totally agree. Would def. do a 3rd for Boldin.

Dude had 5 td's last year. Baltimore would be better off trading for a guy like Boldin or Marshall.

I'm iffy on Peppers.

Here is my thinking. Aging receiver, injury issues, wants a huge contract, put up the numbers he did with another possible HOF WR on the other side taking attention away from him. It seems ripe for an Alvin Harper situation.

At least with Peppers, we don't have to give up a draft pick, losing a potential contributing player 5 yrs down the road when the player has retired or become little more than a role guy.

Jared Allen? Boldin is proven to be injury prone, he's been complaining about his contract for years, and he has disappeared during games at times. I've completely lost interest in him after watching him struggle the entire year with a hamstring injury. It's not like that was the first time he's been hurt.

I think he could still be a great addition, but I would be very leery over not only what I gave up for him, but how much money I'd give him because there's no way I make that trade unless I lock him up for more than just 2010.

He's 29. That's the middle of his prime.

You're taking too much credit away from boldin. Comparing him to alvin harper? Really? The guy had one of the best rookie seasons ever before fitz came into the league. He dominated. So its not fitz helping him out. This is no alvin harper situation.
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I'm not comparing them player to player, I'm comparing the situations.

In my opinion when the situations are compared, Peppers will pull his on/off disappearing act frequently when he gets a new contract, especially on a weak team. Boldin will look to show he is one of the league's best WR's. A person can easily bitch about the injuries, but he must stay in pretty damn fine shape because he comes back from stuff very quickly for the most part. He is a 1300-1500 yard guy for several more years on most teams. Talk of being strictly a #2 is bullshit. You can't use the "he will be too old when we can contend' logic unless the team just never plans on winning.

Exactly.

Some fans think that EVERY player on the roster needs to be 25 years old or younger to build for the future. The future is now. KC has to turn this thing around, and a player like Boldin can definitely help in that effort, as well as be had for a good value IMO.

Boldin is a proven 1,000 yard WR that has great hands. I for one don't think KC will be able to get the same value in the 2010 draft, especially over the next 5 seasons...
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Or keep Chambers since most teams carry more than two receivers...

Huh? 1,300-1,500 yard guy for most teams?

He's had TWO seasons where he amassed 1,300 yards: 2003 and 2005.

He is NOT a 1,300 yard guy. In KC, he'd be lucky to 1,000 yards behind this line, with this QB and with Dwayne Bowe on the other side.

Furthermore, he IS a number two receiver. PERIOD.

If he's your number one, your team is ****ED. Why? Because you're number one receiver is a speed guy that can separate downfield for big plays.

Boldin's an over the middle, TG, tight end type player that will make big plays for you occasionally, but he's a possession receiver.

I'd maybe give up one of the Chiefs 5th round picks for the guy but anything else is way too high given his age, recent injuries and the Chiefs massive needs up and down the roster.

So for the people who just advocate trading for him, what round of pick would you be willing to part with?

Do you care if we just take him on with 1 year left on his deal?

If you feel the need to sign him to a new contract, how much would you pay him and how long would you try and lock him up?

prior to last year i would have disagreed, now i totally agree with you.
hes often injured
he seemed to not give his all last year
he doesnt stretch the field
oh did i mention that hes always injured?
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If Cassel is our QB having a deep threat is a waste of space... Moss had one of his worst years in the league when Cassel was the QB.

:clap: Me too. I wanted him until this year. Now I don't.

How much do you pay a guy that was dogged by his hammy ALL of last year? And if you lock him up to a 4 year deal for the right price and he blows up this year, you get another 3 years of him bitching about his contract and becoming a cancer in the locker room.

I don't want him at all anymore. Let's re sign Chambers and draft a guy in the 2nd round. I think if we do that, we're money.

yeah lets just forget oakland
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agreed
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Thats why I said one of his worst years, the one other worse year was in Oakland when Matt Tuiasosopo was his QB... but hey I understand that you can't comprehend simple stuff like that.

Oh forgive me, Walter was his QB and his worst season was with the last season with the Vikings when he only started 13 games.

funny how you want to throw out that someone cant comprehend something and then be wrong on every point you made


shut up now PLEASE

ALSO WHEN DID HE PLAY BASEBALL? matt was the qbs brother.

What are you talking about? The point still stands. One of his worst years in the league came when Cassel was the QB because he doesn't have the arm strength to throw the ball deep, just like his other down years, he had a weak armed QB.

Yep, keep going after the stuff that doesn't matter because the point is right and you need something to bitch about. Is it that time of the month little fairy princess?

what point is right? did you watch ANY game from that season that the pats played?

moss had 3 worse years. 04 05 06. he didnt play all out in 08 watch the games. hell some analysts are saying the same thing now.

Cassels problem was overthrowing Moss more than any other issue.

Randy kinda just went into "the years already over" mode and didnt do any of the things he does with a top shelf guy throwing him the ball.

I keep saying that he has the arm to make the throws, he just doesnt have the head to.

He does have the arm to get it there - if you're willing to wait about 3 minutes while the rainbow lands.

jared allen was a fourth rounder IIRC.

would matter if Boldin and Bowe are the WRs.

That utterly ridiculous. I watched him constently overthrow Moss in New England. This has already been argued. Cassel needs to improve his accuracy deep...it has nothing to do with his arm strength.

Consistent receivers will help the timing of the deep ball.
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How many times did Chambers have someone beat only to have Cassel hang a rainbow up?

You've wheeled out just about every excuse you can for him.

I didn't know consistent receivers helped arm strength. Good to know.

With Boldin and Bowe, all he's throwing is intermediate routes and letting them run after catch.

I think Boldin would be perfect because we could play the short passing game that Weis perfected with Troy Brown and David Givens.

Who was the #1 Receiver for Arizona when he had those two 1,300+ yard seasons?

Larry Fitzgerald, Andre Johnson, Hines Ward, Brandon Marshall, and even Jerry Rice are/were just possession receivers, right?

sorry but i have yet to see ANYONE call fitz or johnson possesion wrs.
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Ill probably catch heat for this one too, but I would rather have a guy like Fred Barnes or Demitreus Thomas with that fourth rounder or spend a little more and get a guy like Golden Tate at 2a. We are young and need a possession receiver, but AB isnt the right guy there. We have a lot of our own kids that have contracts coming up and Id like to know that a guy like Boldin doesnt ruin it for them.

Are you a dummy in real life or do you just play one on the internet?

I would love Tate with 2a, but I have my doubts he's still there.

When guys rainbow long balls it means they have weak arms, Pennington rainbows it, Leinart did it in college, when a guy throws the rainbow it generally means his arm is weak.

Johnson shouldn't be on there he ran track in college but all of those other guys ran blah 40's and aren't blazing fast.

Arm strength doesn't come into play on deep balls nearly as much as it comes into play on digs and outs. Deep balls are more about timing and touch.

The truth to the matter is Cassel just has no accuracy and the further he gets downfield the worse it gets.

Especially after running two 4.36 forties today.

Some one will take him early.

Tate's 40 is much better than the speed he plays at, it might elevate him some but his height is still questionable.

Do you still see him falling to the top of the 2nd?

If he's there.....I'd take him in a heartbeat.

No doubt.

I was just curious about Mecca's opinion.

And no, I wasn't trying to start an argument, I truly appreciate his opinions.

He might, last I heard some teams are viewing Tate as a slot WR and not a guy who plays outside.

Could you imagine Clausen throwing to Tate, Floyd, Bowe and Charles in 2011?

Can I get a hell yeah?

So HE could be our black Welker. To the SHIP!!!

Also Tate has 14% bodyfat, that's high for an NFL WR.

I think that sounds about right. I see Tate as a Deion Branch type guy. A guy who probably wouldn't be considered a primary option on most offenses, but could in a Weis system. In his system, it's good to have a guy who runs good routes to get the underneath stuff and has the ability to threaten by stretching the field. They don't throw deep a lot, but Weis likes to have a deep threat to keep defenses honest.

I'd be shocked if the Chiefs passed on him if he was available at 2a.

That's my point. None of those guys are speed receivers, but they are/were all clear number 1 receivers. Boldin was a #1 for 3 seasons, and he had 1300+ yards in two of them and only played 10 games in the other. If he's not a #1, someone should have told him. Maybe Jeff Blake and Josh McCown just made him look good. Perhaps Freddie Jones and Bryant Johnson drew the attention of the defense on the other side of the field thus freeing up Boldin. Maybe though, just maybe, he was a legit #1 on a team with an even worse QB than the Chiefs have and an even worse option on the other side of the field than Dwayne Bowe.

You guys really need to stop lumping Andre Johnson in with the rest of that group.

Johnson ran a 4.3 40 out of college, those other guys were 4.5 guys.

He ran a 4.5 the first time and a 4.4 his second run at his pro day. That's good speed, but it doesn't qualify him as a burner.

Didn't see this posted anywhere else yet:

"According to NFL Network's Mike Lombardi, the Cardinals' asking price for Anquan Boldin is a third-round pick.
While Boldin is going on 30 and would likely require a pricey multi-year commitment, Arizona's demands appear to be plenty reasonable. Fellow trade candidate Brandon Marshall is roughly four years younger, but presents far more knucklehead factor, would ask for more money, and costs a first-round pick. The Cards will find plenty of suitors if Lombardi's report is true."
http://www.rotoworld.com/content/pla...rt=NFL&id=2078

Todd Haley would fix that.

Uh, wrong.

He ran a 4.43 at the combine.

Not to mention he was Big East track champion in the 60 and 100 meters - while weighing 230 pounds.

Andre Johnson's a burner.