Pioli already knows who he's going to draft.
 

Those guys who think the combine doesn't matter at all are reeruned. It matters to DB's more than anything but it's also how guys with equal grades separate.

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He probably has as an idea. The Sr. Bowl and game film are way more important then the combine.

Yea the senior bowl is how Ryan Sims turned into a top 10 pick, I really wish people wouldn't jizz about the performances down there.

But you do agree it's more important then the combine right?

Depends on the position, for DB's the combine is extremely important.

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But overall it's more important to see elite collge players line up again elite college players in pads.

No, they're not.

They're all factors in the decision but the Combines help to level the playing field due to the differences in talent across the country.

Also, the personal interviews reveal far more about an individual's character and motivation than game film. Do you seriously think it's wise to invest millions (if not tens of millions) without spending time to do complete an in-depth interview with these players?

It's extremely important to gauge their strength and speed, which is something that can't be garnered by game film.

There are a lot of marginal speed WR's that make it in the NFL, there aren't any marginal speed CB's.

A CB running a crap time is a good way to not get drafted.

Really? What is marginal speed for a DB IMO? But you still never answered my question to you.

You win. How guys played football is less important then running in shorts. I'm from Mars and Draftubators are from Venus. I give up.

Considering if anyone is a very highly thought of prospect they don't go to the senior bowl I think it's overblown. You get guys like Brandon Graham down there going against an OT that's a 5th round prospect so it makes them look like gods.

If a CB times outside of a low 4.5 he's going to fall, the fact that Flowers couldn't get under 4.5 turned him from a top 20 pick into a 2nd rounder. If he had been running 4.6's he was looking at even more rounds.

That is a position where workouts can make or break you.

I think game film and having the scouts attend the games in person are alot more important than the combine or the All-Star games. I would rank the combine #2 mostly because of the interview process.

The combine is extremely important for outside players, if you're a WR or a DB and you post a 4.7 you just killed yourself.

For most everyone else it's not that big of a deal.

I was watching part of the combine and one of the guys on NFL Network made a good point about running the 40. He said it really isn't a true measurement since the way they are running is not how they would run on the football field. I totally agree with that thinking.

It's not you can shave a couple tenths off your time by practicing how to start, but you need to post a certain time to be a "clean" prospect for a certain position.

Like a OT 40 is essentially useless I doubt any team moves linemen because of 40's CB's and WR's yea I think that happens.

There is no question it happens. Every year a player really helps or hurts himself with their 40 time.

I just thought it was an interesting point and it was brought up because Tate ran a 4.36 and most scouts\GM's think he is a 4.5 guy on the football field.

Tate probably helped himself some because it's such a blah RB class.

What the **** are you talking about?

I stated that they are ALL factors.

Where did I point out that one was more important than another?

Learn how to ****ing READ before insulting others, Prick.

I bet Tate ends up going top 25...

I could see 21 to Cincy, 22 to New England or 25 to Baltimore.

Golden Tate's biggest problem is his height makes numerous teams think he's not an outside player.

The strange thing about Golden Tate, as I watch him, he doesn't play like a small player. He plays like he's 6'3.

I bet that Jimmy Graham cat ends up being a perennial pro bowl NFL TE...

I've always held firmly in my belief that NBA players would be superior to a lot of NFL players at WR and TE...just more athletically gifted.

This dude realizes he's a pretty good basketball player but not NBA caliber, switches to football, and now with NFL coaching he's going to be Gates version 2.0...

That dude looked like a freak when I was watching the combine.

Where did that thread indicate anything that said Pioli knew who he was drafting already? Nuthooks.

And is it just me, or does WPI have a NY Giants fan for a moderator on their forums? Yeesh.

I don't get why everyone doesn't already get it...

Pioli and the crew are going to make at least 3 or 4 head scratching draft picks that go against the "experts" projections just like they did every year in New England and the first year in Kansas City...

Which is why Lebron James should go to the NFL :)

That really makes my day seeing how awful NE's drafts have been for about 6 years now.

and everyone is going to bitch and moan and yearn for Carl and Herm and then eventually as we continue to fail Pioli will go and someone else will come in down the line and then we're going to bitch and moan and yearn for whoever it is that is winning at the time etc. etc. etc.

Yeah I wondered the same thing...

So you're saying that KC is doomed, regardless of who's running the show?

their 1st round picks haven't been that bad. Much better than ours, so we can't complain about them.

why would he do that when he is going to make a billion dollars in the NBA being the greatest player in the league?

His ceiling as an NFL TE or WR would be around what...$50M in contracts?

Lets have a little common sense here...

Guys would rather collect 8 times more as a 12th man in the NBA than bust their ass in the NFL and deal with all of the health risks later on in life for a fraction of the money that isn't guaranteed in the first place...

which is why Tony G always wanted to be in the NBA but he was never good enough...

In the NBA closed down for good and you could no longer make money playing professional basketball...the NFL would be taken over by NBA players...plain and simple...at least the skill positions like WR/TE/CB and possibly even LB and S and DE etc...

That's what I've come to expect, especially since joining this board.

I mean...

What are the odds anyone is happy after draft day this year?

I say 10%, tops.

I know you're all going to be pissed pretty much no matter what...

I'm still going to wait until about week 4 before I decide on whether or not I'm pro-Pioli or anti-Pioli...so stay tuned.

yeah but I count Randy Moss and Wes Welker as part of their draft picks for 2007...which I doubt you do...so you have to give them an A+++ there

That's pretty debatable, there's Wilfork and Mayo...but Maroney and Ben Watson..and there are several other very bland picks.

whoa, it was just a fantasy situation. Sure, business-wise for Lebron to go to the NFL would be dumb. But he loves football more than basketball, and it has always been a dream of his to play in the NFL. I was just saying he would be successful in the NFL.

I just hope we take all of those black dudes at the combine with no tattoos...that would be my draft strategy if I were GM...

They have atleast had a rookie of the year. The closest one of our rookies has been to winning ROTY over the last 5 years was probably Succop.

Yeah...

I think successful is an understatement...

I think he would be unstoppable and he'd break a shit ton of receiving records and he would pretty much be the most valuable player the NFL had ever seen, maybe even including QB's...

That dude would just be an unfair advantage.

You could have the rookie of the year every year if you took a bunch of RB's and LB's that's not a good measure.

what's funny is...

guys like Maroney and Watson were considered good picks by the experts at the time...

Since he ran a good 40 I am pretty sure he will. I was hoping he was going to fall to us in the 2nd round.

I'll only be "pissed" if I'm right.

I have absolutely no problem admitting I'm wrong but when it comes to the 2009 draft, I was right about the quality of our draft.

I'm fully prepared for the fact that Pioli will draft against the strengths of the draft board. I just hope that this year, he's right.

I just like to dream about it, considering he is my favorite athlete right now in sports and I don't even like basketball.

Watson is a great pick if you dig athletes who can't stay healthy, he never made it through college without getting hurt either.

And Maroney well I don't like taking marginal RB's that high.

See, and that's okay.

If Pioli had taken highly rated prospect last year only to watch them fail in their first season, there's no shame or nothing wrong with that.

But when he goes far outside the parameters of normal thinking and still comes up empty, that's when we've got a problem.

And that thinking led to a 4-12 record in 2009 and very little positive contribution by the rookies in a year where if better choices had been made, there could have been massive amounts of contribution.

and to be honest with everyone...I've started to become really 'blah' when it comes to Berry.

I'd rather have Okung to be honest...I mean that dude is going to be a pro bowler no matter how you want to spin it.

It's not a sexy pick and it's even less sexy when you think about the fact we'd come out of three drafts with three top 5 picks with Jackson/Dorsey/Okung and Matt Cassel as our QB but I don't think you can think about the past when you're drafting for the future...gotta clean slate it every year...

Which is why Clausen seems like a good pick to me but I don't see that happening.

Well you certainly look right about 2009 right now...

But come on, it's still a little early.

Would I rather have anyone other than Tyson Jackson?

Of course.

But I don't want to talk about it anymore and we'll see how much he sucks or doesn't suck in a few years.

There's really no guarantee Okung is going to be a pro bowler.

The guy has insane measurables and really seems like he's a Pioli guy...

I guess I'd be happy with the following players at #5:

Clausen, Berry, Okung, Bryant (maybe)

I would have loved adding Donte Stallworth to our team...we need some god damn receivers.

Bruce Campbell made Okungs measurables look average.

doubt it would happen since we already have a starter but think Thomas Jones would make a great 10 carry a game backup to Sir Charles...

Or Berry

was it Casserly on NFL Network that wasn't impressed with Campbell's workout? Or Mayock? Or both? I forget...

and then the Vikings guy was saying how they don't generally move up people for having beastly workouts, but they certainly move people down or figure out how to stack certain players...that makes sense...

and why is Campbell playing OL rather than DL? Doesn't make sense to me either...

and what's up with Jevan Snead?

Wasn't he being touted as a top tier QB prospect before last season? I know he bombed big time...so did he panic and just decide to declare? What round grade is he? Is he a 3rd rounder?

Casserly... He's a dickhead anyway.

Mike Mayock essentially came off as a complete moron for every single thing shown.

While some BYU guy was running he went into this big religious rant.

well he owned everyone when he took Mario Williams over Reggie Bush...

Eisen has had to interrupt Mayock a few different times because of inappropriate rambling.

yeah Marshall Faulk owned him when he was trying to defend Urban Meyer's QB developing abilities

He was also brilliant when he got his QB killed and said Colt Brennan was a 1st rounder.

I didn't say he doesn't know football. He's just a dickhead. And his crap about Bruce Campbell was dumb though. You can't argue with the numbers and that's what he did.

He's a roided up freak that never had that level of play in college.

just another gut instinct...

Bruce Campbell just seems like a guy where the money might speak...

Okung comes off as a guy who wants to truly be good at football...

That's nothing but pure speculation with a hint of racist undertone.

I don't know if I'd call Campbell a roided freak...all I'm saying is we should hire Maryland's strength and conditioning coach.

That guy takes great athletes and turns them into freaks.

I'm sorry, I like to tell it how I see it...

I truly don't trust the real ghetto'd out black players early on...

Too freaking risky to hand them so much money guaranteed...

Which is why I made that "no tattoo" comment earlier...

I know a lot of people are really sensitive about stereotypes and to each their own...but that's just how I see it.

I remember when New England was winning and media like Whitlock pointed to all of the white players they had as part of the reason for their success...

Now I don't think that's the full story behind their success...

But a $0.10 brain can only take a team so far...

The idea that only white players are smart is pretty reeruned.

I agree...

I want to see as many black players on the Chiefs as possible...you can be as politically correct as you want but black people are just more athletic than white people the majority of the time...

and that's where the screening process comes in...

Snead is probably a 3rd-4th rounder, IMO.

He's got a really good arm, but by most accounts, he's a ****ing dumbass.

He'd need a guy like Martz to get the most out of his passing abilities, but he's also going to have to apply himself.

He's as physically talented as any QB in the draft, but I wouldn't want him.

FWIW, Okung is no better of a prospect than Jason Smith.

I don't think I watched the Rams even once this past season.

How well did Smith play?

I want to know how Okung is a guaranteed pro bowler? Prospects like him come through every single year.

well I'd rather be drafting at #10 as opposed to #5 as a Chiefs fan, that's for sure

Jason Smith is playing RT, so that kinda speaks to it...

No, Pioli has made statements that indicate that the combine is just a show.

I think he said he likes the interviews and that they're important.

He's said that game film and scouting are more important. Don't have the link.

Then Pioli's a ****ing moron.

Which shouldn't be a surprise.