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Clark Hunt isn't cheap according to BossChief.

According to common sense he's not cheap.

You can't be called cheap if you are spending millions on coordinators and 5 million on a GM.

He's distributing the cash the wrong way, but he's spending.

And this will matter how when they don't contend for the NFC title later this year?
Seriously... We can all settle the **** down now.

yes, we are going to win the NFC!!!!!!!!!

40+ years. Settle down.

Have you been following the organization that long?

And why does the fact that we haven't won a Superbowl (something 14 franchises have NEVER done mind you) mean that spending $40M, in one day of Free Agency, is the answer?

Some of you stay on auto-pilot.

Do you all think those English soccer teams are cheap?

Where did I suggest spendng 40+ mil ? Walters & Atogwae wouldn't cost that much.

Clark is a tight wad loser.

If the Chiefs come away with Berry and Tate...
No one will even remember we had an opportunity to sign those two.
Both of them will be on the wrong side of 30 in two years when this team is ready to contend.

But the Chiefs are in the AFC...
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didnt walters get 26 mil?
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That's not happening.

Is 26 mil 40 mil?

i think he was talking about the bears
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Not sure how you know that, but...
Hell if we came away with Chad Jones/Nate Allen and Arrelious Benn/Mardy Gilyard we'd still be in better shape. Cheaper, younger options who'll be peaking when it comes time to make a run...

Shhh...
ROFL

So by the time this team is ready to compete Cassel will be what? 32 years old?

might not matter how old cassel is, if his play doesnt rise he will probably be gone this time next year
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If we land Gilyard, I'll be happy. Won't make up for a scrub 1st rounder, but I love me some Gilyard.

haha

So you're admitting Cassel might have been a mistake. So even if we do build through the draft we're back to square 1 without a QB. Which means Pioli wasted 2 years with Cassel.

I could care less if the Chiefs had signed or traded for any over 30 year old players.

But there is absolutely no reason to believe that the Chiefs will draft Berry and Tate. It could just as easily be Okung/Baluga and Cody.

Pioli has NO track record of drafting playmakers.

IF that's in two years...he'd be 30.

And, yes, let's examine some of the language in one of the linked articles....

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/...pped-year.html

More than all the activity so far, I believe, is the fact that could be most the noteworthy about the first hours of life in the NFL without a salary cap: On Friday, the Bears committed almost $40 million in 2010 cash to three players, an amount slightly above the entire payroll of the Kansas City Chiefs and Arizona Cardinals. Welcome to the uncapped year.

When the prospect of an uncapped year started looking more and more realistic, thoughts turned to the usual suspects for spending without limits: Redskins, Cowboys, Raiders, etc. Now that we’ve moved through the first – and biggest spending day of the uncapped year – an unlikely team has claimed the mantle of most aggressive team in an uncapped year. It’s the Chicago Bears. Who knew?

First, a tight end signing -- Brandon Manumaleuna, with $6M in guaranteed money, a strong amount for a tight end not considered among the league’s elite. This move may set off a chain reaction of the team being open to offers for one or both of their tight ends, either Desmond Clark, who could be had for cheap, or Greg Olsen, who would require a higher pick that the Bears desperately need to conduct some sort of draft in April. Olsen received approximately $4.5M in guarantees as part of his 2007 first-round deal.

Then running back Chester Taylor was brought under contract. Taylor, as we predicted, would be the hottest running back on the market, with multiple suitors chasing him if the Bears let him out of their grasp. The Vikings put on the hard push, using sentimentality with players and coaches constantly calling, but Taylor decided to leave for many reasons ($7M of them). The contract is about where we predicted, with $7M guaranteed on a four-year, $12.5M deal for a 30-year-old running back. What Brian Westbrook or LaDainian Tomlinson wouldn’t give to make that deal.

Then the Bears landed the kingfish of the 2010 class when they picked a Julius Peppers. The deal averages $13.3M, with $40M in the first three years. The size of the deal was expected; in fact, I actually thought he would earn more (ignore reports of a total value of $91M; that’s an inflated number spun out for the media).

With Albert Haynesworth, at less of an impact position, earning $41M guaranteed last year (again, pay no attention to the reported overall value of $100M), the question was whether the 2010 top prize would jump that of the 2009 winner. The caveat, of course, is that the Haynesworth deal was done in an environment where ownership was not complaining about profits and came at the hand of the notoriously over-spending Redskins.

The deal is most like the contract given late in the season to Cowboys defensive end DeMarcus Ware, who received an astounding $40M guaranteed and would not have been an unrestricted free agent like Peppers, but benefited from an earlier deal for Terrell Suggs. Now Peppers will benefit from the Ware deal.

Not that the Bears got a bargain. As I expressed before, my concern about Peppers would be his motivation. If people were wondering about his motivation when he was playing on one-year deals – the ultimate motivator in sports – handing him long-term financial security in the form of almost $40M in guaranteed money is not going to alleviate that concern; rather, it will only exacerbate it.

Again, the issue of the uncapped year was whether a team or teams would engage in unfettered spending without the consequence of the cap. Some expected the Redskins, some the Cowboys, some expected no one. The Bears. Who knew?

The point I'm making is that many of the players we "missed out on" are at positions where we can find better, cheaper options in April.

It's not time to panic.

In 2 years Pioli would have to throw together some great drafts. Sorry but thats alot of blind faith.

I don't know that they'd have to be GREAT drafts.
A few efficient drafts would work.

This team has alot of holes though. Look if you sign Atogwae then Berry becomes a luxury pick. So you either draft Berry & then have a secondary just as good as anyones or you be cheap and not sign anyone and hope Berry is there when you draft and if he isn't you're back to square one.

im not admitting anything, i said in another thread that cassels play will rise a million percent this year IMO. that will make the out in the contract a moot point. BUT there is an out no matter what somee would like to believe
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Panic? No.

But I think that expecting Scott Pioli, a man who has never put a premium on drafting QB's, receivers, safeties or cornerbacks, to draft a playmaker at #5 or even #37, is expecting too much.

A million percent?

I'd take 10%.

But I don't think it'll happen because he's 27 years old and he should already BE that much better.

He is who he is.

shit dane to hear what some here say about the guy...


ok maybe a million is an overexaggeration but this IS cp...
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Well Jason, the fact is right now that he's not a great QB.

He's not even a good QB.

He's hovering somewhere around average to below average. His accuracy is poor, his decision making suspect, he's not "strong armed" and he hold on to the ball way too long. His play decreased while the running game ascended this past year and as his sacks went down, so did his overall play.

He displayed nothing that said "Super Bowl QB".

To this point, he's been just a "guy" and I don't know why anyone expects that to change overnight.

If can can get a little more protection to make him a bit more comfortable, another decent target or two, he should improve quite a bit. If he doesn't, then he's GOT to go.

Hell, the effect some line help would have on the running game should take a lot of pressure off of Cassel.

rep that.

Aw, geez, not this shit again.

First year. New team. Rookie head coach. Rookie GM. Shit talent. Blah blah f**king blah, people. NO ONE can turn a bad team around in one season. Get over it.

Is this dead horse gonna be beaten for six months until September?

Most rational Chiefs fans figured to give the new regime a one-season mulligan. They got it (and even doubled the win total).

OF COURSE if Cassel doesn't produce, he's gone. But that was the plan all along.

How does your post explain Cassel's weak arm, his inaccuracy or his poor decision making?

Please explain.

Any team breaking the bank right now is stoopid. If there's a lockout in 2011 what will these guys be doing to spend all that money?

What the **** are you babbling about?

I think it's going to take a couple of drafts for sure but only if they can manage to score, if not, then I think were in for a long haul. Realistically, they need to address the NT, OLB ILB and S positions. Then I think they could use help at WR, a couple of OL, a KR/PR for special teams. Lets just say in total that 8 or 9 picks right there. With that being said, suppose they have a total of 14 picks in the draft in the next two years, that means they would have to score on at least half of those picks. They better do their homework because it seems like that is the Chiefs only validation and hope since they're neglecting FA.

Then I also think they need other stuff to go their way. Other players have to improve and live up to expectations. I think Cassel has to get better, Bowe needs to come back strong, Dorsey has to improve, same can be said for guys like Jackson, Hali, Carr, Albert, etc. Im pleased with the new additions to the coaching staff, and hopefully they will play an integral role in developing these players along the way so they can grow in the process. But yeah the Chiefs definately have their work cut out for them.

I can say this, if we KNOW there WILL be a lockout in 2011, I dont want them to sign any player over the age of 26 (unless they are a veteran we are signing to a 1 year deal)

Players that are 29 or 30 right now will be 32 or 33 after the lockout, and thats if it only lasts one year.

Id just keep drafting and trying to add better scouts to the system as time goes by.

I still have hope that Phil Emery will make a difference in the quality of our draft choices.

keep towin the company line...

Im not trying to defend Clark or the Chiefs here, being cheap is not a bad thing if you know how to spend your money.

This is where I think they've had their share of issues, i.e., Cassel or LJ is not spending your money wisely imo.

Berry's the most talented Safety, but not the only Safety coming out who can help this team.

I'd take...
1. Taylor Mays
2. Chad Jones
3. Nate Allen

If we can't get Berry. And that would help the secondary...

He's not the GM in New England anymore.
This is an entirely different situation.
I'm going to give him time to sink or swim.

As it stands...
We have a VERY good shot at drafting a Safety/WR combo in the draft that would make us all forget about Walter and Atogwe.

Kind of reminds you of the postseason after Trent Green's (aka...TrINT Green) first season in KC, huh? The sky is falling, the sky is falling, HELP!!!!

Now.... I'm going to go out and find somebody who's illiterate, lazy, and can't act to save his life and send his ass to Hollywood. When Dane can't turn his ass into Harrison Ford in a 9 month timeframe, I'll be calling for his head.

Scott Pioli was served a shit sandwich his first season as Chiefs head coach. 90% of the people here knew damn well this season wouldn't be worth a crap. Yet, most of those people still complain that the team on the field blows. This makes no sense to me...

What I'm saying Mic is that I don't think it's in his nature or part of his philosophy to draft skilled players at high positions in the draft.

Time will tell, but his history indicates his preferences.

I can't argue with that.

Hopefully that will change. There will be some VERY attractive options available in the opening two rounds.

From a sheer value standpoint... It'd be hard to pass on a guy like Berry if he's there.

No, not at all.

Trent Green's interception issue wasn't entirely his fault. He had poor receivers that weren't well versed in the Coryell system. Once Kennison arrived and Saunders figured out that Priest was much more than a third down back, the offense rolled.

Cassel got worse as the season went along. Even though he was sacked only 8 times in the last six games, and Jamaal Charles went on a terror, Cassel's play declined.

That is nothing like Trent Green's first year, whatsoever.

I just gave my opinion. He looked pretty damn good in New England, and he went to a bad team with a rookie coach and a rookie GM and a new playbook. Did he make some bad decisions? Did he try too hard to do too much, maybe? Sure. That doesn't mean he's a total washout. But God forbid some of you actually give him (or Pioli, or Haley) more than a season's chance to prove that.

maybe posts like this are the reason i said a million percent. :)
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That's very easy to say now that you can look back and see what Green did. However, his second season didn't start out any better than his entire first season with KC. Cassel and Green's situations are VERY similiar, although Green actually had an All World TE to dump off to, and two VERY competent backs in Holmes and TRich.

I hate when posters now act like they were completely fine with Green's play the first year and a half. Truth be told, this board was ready to hang Green after his first season much like Cassel now.

Hindsight is always 20/20.
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why is it that some people on this site KNOW that Pioli had little to nothing to do with the draft in NE and yet when its convenient pin the draft to him anyway?

Scott has had one draft and it went so poorly that he fired 90% of the scouts and brought in new ones and hired a real director of college scouting.

If they bomb this draft, I am on board for the universal hatred button that people push all the time here whenever his name comes up, but at this point, I am willing to continue to give him a chance before throwning him into a burning aids tree after forcefeeding him gallons of anitfreeze.

i ask the same question all the time. duplicity at its finest. rep for this post sir
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Trent excelled because a legit running game and better WR's forced the defense to play balanced. JC appears to be the playmaker we've been looking for. Now, we need somebody to throw to that can get open and catch the damn ball when the opportunity presents itself. I don't think Cassel is perfect, he definately has his flaws. But, I seriously doubt the front office gives up on him after one season with the lack of talent around him.

well i cant rep from the phone sorry:)
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So you are saying that the Chiefs have good WR's?

dane actually read what you wrote here. green needed kennison to arrive, needed priest to get on the field, needed wrs to learb the system

lj blocked charles.
chambers arrived possibly more on the way draftwise.

wrs will either be where there supposed to be or be gone
wrs BETTER CATCH THE ****ING BALL.

yeah i would say you proved the point that their respective first seasons were pretty close.

lets HOPE cassel turns it on from this point forward
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Where were you when I needed you, man?

Just kidding. I'm in the same boat as you. But if 2010 is his evaluation year, which I said it was, it's not off to a good start. IMO.

Hatred is such an ugly word. I prefer the term "meltdown button", it in has the right amount of edge to it without the ugliness.

what is your take on why Cassel is so bad throwing the ball over 15 yards both last year and this year? He has been horrible at it statistically.

In all of 2008, for you guys, he only completed 8 passes over 20 yards in the air ALL YEAR and only completed 40% of all passes over 10 yards. This was for an offense that Tom Brady broke the passing TD mark for the year before, so this should have been an area he should have excelled at...

In 2009, his numbers were expectedly down but were scary low.

He completed the same amount of passes over 20 yards as he had in NE (8) all year and only completed 37% of all passes thrown over 20 yards.

I can tell you from personal experience that 7 out of those 8 passes were HORRIBLY underthrown and when they werent they were horribly overthrown, NEVER on target and it was a miracle they weren't intercepted. Chambers saved at least 5 of them.

I think Matt will develop into a qb similar to Pennington in that he will likely learn to protect the ball very well and limit his mistakes, but that will come at the cost of not stretching defenses and that will kill him in the playoffs as it has done to Chad all throughout his career. I dont think we can win a championship with that. He doesnt have Toms arm (which isnt great, but is very very functionable)

I also fear (maybe that is the wrong word) that his perplexity to hold the ball too long may get him injured sometime, I also hope all these hits dont get him permanently shell shocked and he learns to go through his progressions and find the open man before he pannicks like he routinely did last year.

If you have the time, can you give me a whole overview of what you got from Matt Cassels play from a fans standpoint of when he was "doing well"? I am literally not trying to set up up into argument and if you choose to avoid such can you pm me the overview because I have a genuine interest in hearing the bright side of our kid because its hard to see right now.

thanks in advance!

But...but...whatever shall you do when your boyfriend has left us? :p

They're going to get one. It's already started, and so far it looks like shit UNLESS this draft of theirs BLEEEEEEDS competence.