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Hammock Parties 03-06-2010 09:39 PM

Chiefs Remain Frugal With Free Agents
 
http://kan.scout.com/2/951662.html

<table><tbody><tr><td valign="top">Hours before the clock struck midnight Friday morning and free agency kicked off, the news hit the Warpaint Illustrated premium boards – the Chiefs were interested in not one, not two, but three big-name players.
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Julius Peppers, Karlos Dansby, Anquan Boldin. Big players, big names, big excitement. By far, it was the most exciting moment of the offseason for some Chiefs fans, comparable to the day Charlie Weis and Romeo Crennel became the franchise’s coordinators. I admit, when I heard the news, it even rivaled the joy I felt when Clancy Pendergast was fired as KC’s defensive coordinator.

But as the seconds ticked by, turned to minutes, and then hours, it soon became apparent nothing was happening while the midnight oil burned. Excitement turned to disappointment and Friday afternoon, when Peppers became a Bear, Dansby a Dolphin and Boldin a Raven, some Chiefs fans were downright angry.

And it didn’t help that another potential Chiefs’ target, safety Antrel Rolle, wound up signing with the New York Giants. If there are winners and losers in the first 24 hours of free agency, it’s not hard to argue that the Kansas City Chiefs wound up as the losers.

But if you can stop writing the hate mail addressed to Scott Pioli and Clark Hunt for a minute, ask yourself a question - just what did they lose?

That’s what's relevant right now. By failing to beat out Chicago, Miami, Baltimore and New York for big-name players, what have the Chiefs really lost?

I contend that what the Chiefs have lost does not justify the hand wringing, teeth gnashing and wailing that currently ranks as the preferred activity for a good number of people who reside in the greater Kansas City area. In layman’s terms, quit complaining.

First we have to consider you can’t really lose something you never had a chance to gain. That applies in the case of Peppers, who wound up signing a gargantuan $91 million deal with the Bears that includes $42 million in guarantees. What it really boils down to is this – the Chiefs, even if they wanted him, were never truly in the running for Peppers, just as they never had a realistic shot at landing Albert Haynesworth a year ago.

Free agents like Haynesworth and Peppers – the absolute best of their free-agent classes – never end up in Kansas City. It has never happened. Look at the history yourself. Since the league adopted free agency in 1993, the Chiefs have not landed a Grade-A, No. 1, USDA Prime Choice Free Agent. Not a single one.

It must be written into NFL bylaws that the most sought-after player in a given free-agent period is banned from signing with the Kansas City Chiefs, because it has never happened, it didn't happen this year, and evidently it's never going to happen. Put it this way – if the Washington Redskins and Daniel Snyder’s thick wallet didn’t land Peppers, certainly the Chiefs never had a chance. So we can’t really be all that upset that Peppers is a Bear.

The other players? Certainly there’s an argument to be made that the Chiefs had a shot. With head coach Todd Haley’s connection to Arizona, Kansas City may have seemed like an ideal place for Boldin, Dansby or Rolle to land.

But besides their Arizona connection, there’s one other important thing Boldin, Dansby and Rolle have in common – none of them are elite players. They are not on Peppers’ level. Even so, that didn’t prevent them from being paid like the elite.

Boldin will receive $28 million over the next four years. Dansby and Rolle, together, inked contracts worth $80 million. Dansby is being paid like a quarterback. Rolle’s contract is one of the largest in league history for the safety position.

All this for a receiver who scored four touchdowns a year ago, a linebacker who has never made a Pro Bowl and a safety who is actually a failed cornerback?

The argument against these players isn’t that the Chiefs couldn’t use them. It’s that they’re being absurdly overpaid for the actual value they bring to their football teams, and the potential value they would bring to the Chiefs. That’s what Scott Pioli and Todd Haley weighed over the last 24 hours, and that’s what we have to consider no matter how disappointed we might be.

Let’s say the Chiefs got lucky, overpaid like mad, and took two of three – Boldin and Dansby. How would that change their roster? Does Boldin, a possession receiver who does not qualify as a deep threat, suddenly transform Matt Cassel into the quarterback he was in New England?

No, and he certainly doesn’t bring the Chiefs anything Dwayne Bowe can’t provide. Bowe is younger, has less injury history, and more room to grow. Boldin is without question the better receiver, but is the difference in salary and draft pick compensation (the Ravens had to give up a third and fourth-round pick for Boldin) really worth the difference in the two players? Objectively, you can’t argue that it is.

What about Dansby? As a middle linebacker in the 3-4, he’s certainly a player at a position of need for the Chiefs. But he’s not going to have enough of an impact on a defense that still needs four or five new starters to jump into the top half of the league. Good player? Yes. The best linebacker in the NFL? Not even close.

If that’s not enough, just look at the teams that won the opening round of free agency. The Bears, Dolphins, Ravens and Giants are all in win now mode. They have established programs and are either trying to get over the hump (Baltimore and Miami) or back to the Super Bowl (Chicago and New York).

Throwing big money at the best talent available makes sense for these teams. The timing is right. If Boldin makes Baltimore's passing game just a little more threatening, makes Joe Flacco just slightly more productive, the payoff is huge.

But the Chiefs aren't trying to get over the hump and they are light years from the Super Bowl. They need two home-run draft classes before the core talent base of the roster is formed and matures. Right now, spending just to spend won't have the effect most people want it to have.

If Pioli does has done his draft homework correctly, the Chiefs can find a Rolle, Dansby and Boldin in the draft this April. Heck, they might even find someone better. And it won’t cost Clark Hunt an exorbitant amount of money.

Oh, by the way, free agency isn’t over. There’s still time to get excited about other players.

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L.A. Chieffan 03-06-2010 09:42 PM

which one is it? good or bad? can t you tell what to think?

'Hamas' Jenkins 03-06-2010 09:43 PM

Shawty crunk
On the flo' wide open
Skeet so much they call her Billy Ocean
Roll
Like an 18 wheelah.

-King- 03-06-2010 09:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 6583877)
Shawty crunk
On the flo' wide open
Skeet so much they call her Billy Ocean
Roll
Like an 18 wheelah.

:LOL::LOL::LOL:

L.A. Chieffan 03-06-2010 09:47 PM

got more moves than that mutha****a dwayne wade
emcees like roaches thats why they call me raid
they way i exterminte, unleash poison like raddlesnake
drop mcs who try to **** up names....

'Hamas' Jenkins 03-06-2010 09:49 PM

Pussy poppin, till you percolate
First booty on duty no time to wait
Make it work, with your wet t-shirt
Bitch you gotta shake it till ya calf muscles hurt
Say the heals on your feet or the strap around your ankle
Call that bitch bojangles
Juicy like fruit or douche like coup Deville
Used to get loose on the goose for real

Hammock Parties 03-06-2010 09:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 6583886)
Pussy poppin, till you percolate
First booty on duty no time to wait
Make it work, with your wet t-shirt
Bitch you gotta shake it till ya calf muscles hurt
Say the heals on your feet or the strap around your ankle
Call that bitch bojangles
Juicy like fruit or dosh like coup Deville
Used to get loose on the goose for real

I weep for the future.

http://i.imgur.com/lZh09.jpg

DaneMcCloud 03-06-2010 09:51 PM

Wet is wet

L.A. Chieffan 03-06-2010 09:51 PM

Nice big pussies splittin' all over the floor
Hornafied, can't deny, certified pro

Slainte 03-06-2010 09:55 PM

So that was it? You should go back to telling Pam Dawson that God doesn't enter into it. You were more literate then...

L.A. Chieffan 03-06-2010 10:03 PM

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and hypothesis can't define how I be droppin these
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Flee with the lottery, possibly they spotted me
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the Talking Can 03-06-2010 10:13 PM

this article should be titled: "Please give us access at arrowhead again and we'll write anything you want just like we did for Carl, we'll deep throat you good."


what piece of pathetic, fact free, trash....

Hammock Parties 03-06-2010 10:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 6583927)
this article should be titled: "Please give us access at arrowhead again and we'll write anything you want just like we did for Carl, we'll deep throat you good."


what piece of pathetic, fact free, trash....

LMAO

You and Reerun should start a site.

Titty Meat 03-07-2010 02:09 AM

Yea this thread sucks

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Kerberos 03-07-2010 09:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoChiefs (Post 6583928)
LMAO

You and Reerun should start a site.

I agree with some of your Article Clayton

I agree that the Chiefs NEVER had a chance at any of these free agents.

Ralphy Boy 03-07-2010 09:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoChiefs (Post 6583868)
http://kan.scout.com/2/951662.html

If Pioli does has done his draft homework correctly, the Chiefs can find a Rolle, Dansby and Boldin in the draft this April. Heck, they might even find someone better. And it won’t cost Clark Hunt an exorbitant amount of money.

Well based on last year it looks like we're screwed.

MahiMike 03-07-2010 09:42 AM

"If that’s not enough, just look at the teams that won the opening round of free agency. The Bears, Dolphins, Ravens and Giants are all in win now mode. They have established programs and are either trying to get over the hump (Baltimore and Miami) or back to the Super Bowl (Chicago and New York)."

This is my point. There's a time and a place for free agency. That time isn't for 4 win teams.

whoman69 03-07-2010 10:30 AM

This is going to be a tough year to find free agents. With the field culled by lack of a collective bargaining agreement those few talents available are going to be snatched up fast. Its not going to be teams like the Chiefs that offer little on the field or off of it to attact talent that get the players out there.

OnTheWarpath15 03-07-2010 11:41 AM

I love how two months ago, the masses claimed that we'd be extremely active in FA, going after the big dogs, that it was a condition of Weis/Crennel coming here, etc.

Now we're 2 days into it, and people are claiming we were smart, or didn't have a chance.

LMAO

This place is in a constant state of flip-flop.

Mr. Flopnuts 03-07-2010 12:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6584574)
I love how two months ago, the masses claimed that we'd be extremely active in FA, going after the big dogs, that it was a condition of Weis/Crennel coming here, etc.

Now we're 2 days into it, and people are claiming we were smart, or didn't have a chance.

LMAO

This place is in a constant state of flip-flop.

Well if the people who actually knew something on this site weren't so arrogant about it, the rest of us might learn something. /Chiefsplanet

Titty Meat 03-07-2010 12:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6584574)
I love how two months ago, the masses claimed that we'd be extremely active in FA, going after the big dogs, that it was a condition of Weis/Crennel coming here, etc.

Now we're 2 days into it, and people are claiming we were smart, or didn't have a chance.

LMAO

This place is in a constant state of flip-flop.

Well the only reason I believed it is because that's what was reported.

OnTheWarpath15 03-07-2010 04:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts (Post 6584626)
Well if the people who actually knew something on this site weren't so arrogant about it, the rest of us might learn something. /Chiefsplanet

LMAO

'Hamas' Jenkins 03-07-2010 04:47 PM

"Pioli signed over 20 free agents after New England's first year. Expect similar levels of activity in Kansas City."

I guess the low hanging fruit from the tree is all picked up, true fans.

Sweet Daddy Hate 03-07-2010 06:38 PM

The sun rises in the east and sets in the west.

Mr. Flopnuts 03-07-2010 06:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by YOUCANTKILLROR (Post 6585416)
The sun rises in the east and sets in the west.

Except for in the Orient, because they read backwards.

Sweet Daddy Hate 03-07-2010 06:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts (Post 6585417)
Except for in the Orient, because they read backwards.

True dat!:)

BossChief 03-07-2010 07:00 PM

I remember the interview Clark did with Jack Harry right after he signed Scott Pioli.

He said that a big part of him taking the job was the fact that we had a lot of cap space.

LOL

(if any of you Hunt haters want a good gif of him, go to the last couple minutes of that interview and gif him laughing his ass off when Jack Harry suggests he should freeze ticket prices till they win a playoff game, I guarantee it would go into planet lore as the most used gif. People would use it everytime someone suggests we will sign a big time free agent. I wish I was a computer guy cause even I would make a gif of it. We wouldnt see that Tom Cruise gif ever again!)

OnTheWarpath15 03-07-2010 07:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 6585467)
I remember the interview Clark did with Jack Harry right after he signed Scott Pioli.

He said that a big part of him taking the job was the fact that we had a lot of cap space.

LOL

(if any of you Hunt haters want a good gif of him, go to the last couple minutes of that interview and gif him laughing his ass off when Jack Harry suggests he should freeze ticket prices till they win a playoff game, I guarantee it would go into planet lore as the most used gif. People would use it everytime someone suggests we will sign a big time free agent. I wish I was a computer guy cause even I would make a gif of it. We wouldnt see that Tom Cruise gif ever again!)

Get me the interview, I'll create the .gif.

BossChief 03-07-2010 07:29 PM

http://www.nbcactionnews.com/sports/...g.cspx?rss=764

its toward the end.

There are a bunch of other BS nuggets in there too.

I am also a poker player and I got a huge tell from him. Look at his face immeniately when Jack Harry brings up Haley as the possible coach, Clark cant hold it back...GOD, I WISH I COULD GET ON A POKER TABLE WITH A WHALE LIKE HIM.

OnTheWarpath15 03-07-2010 07:36 PM

http://i47.tinypic.com/v8ludg.gif

BossChief 03-07-2010 07:41 PM

Lets try it out


I think the Chiefs had a chance at signing Julius Peppers

OnTheWarpath15 03-07-2010 07:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 6585587)
Lets try it out


I think the Chiefs had a chance at signing Julius Peppers

http://i47.tinypic.com/v8ludg.gif

BossChief 03-07-2010 07:44 PM

LOL

I like Hunt, but that is funny!

DeezNutz 03-07-2010 07:44 PM

He's saying "ok," right?

BossChief 03-07-2010 07:46 PM

he deflected the question and then burst into laughter. He is the chairman of the board and he says he will mention it to his advisor or something iirc

Hammock Parties 03-07-2010 07:46 PM

LOL

http://i50.tinypic.com/1232vcw.gif

Sweet Daddy Hate 03-07-2010 07:58 PM

Quote:

Sources say we might draft Clausen this year and that's fine with you, you'll happily pay the money, because you REALLY understand the need for a franchise QB after decades of post-Blackledge suckage and fear?
http://i50.tinypic.com/1232vcw.gif

OnTheWarpath15 03-07-2010 08:02 PM

I'm not going back and re-watching it, but isn't this the interview where he makes such a big deal out of wanting to "draft and develop our own franchise QB?"

Then the first move made by the new regime?

Trading for someone else's garbage QB.

BossChief 03-07-2010 08:03 PM

The sad thing is that it was a perfectly legitimate question to ask the owner of a franchise with such a low payroll and a horrible recent win loss record and he straight up laughed in his face at the notion.

Sweet Daddy Hate 03-07-2010 08:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6585626)
I'm not going back and re-watching it, but isn't this the interview where he makes such a big deal out of wanting to "draft and develop our own franchise QB?"

Then the first move made by the new regime?

Trading for someone else's garbage QB.

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 6585629)
The sad thing is that it was a perfectly legitimate question to ask the owner of a franchise with such a low payroll and a horrible recent win loss record and he straight up laughed in his face at the notion.

$$$$$Asses in the seats$$$$$$

That's it, and there ain't...no...more with this guy.

Mr. Flopnuts 03-07-2010 08:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 6585587)
Lets try it out


I think the Chiefs had a chance at signing Julius Peppers

http://i47.tinypic.com/v8ludg.gif

Mr. Flopnuts 03-07-2010 08:28 PM

Sorry I know it was a repost, but when opportunity knocks...........

BossChief 03-07-2010 08:29 PM

That ****er is gold.


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