Fargas will visit Chiefs
 

Fargas will visit the Chiefs
Posted by Mike Florio on March 7, 2010 7:17 PM ET
Running back Justin Fargas, who was cut by the Raiders for supposedly failing a physical but who claims he didn't, could be getting a chance to take another physical soon.

David White of the San Francisco Chronicle reports that Fargas will be visiting the Chiefs.

"I was told by [Raiders coach Tom Cable] that they were moving in a different direction," Fargas told White. "They said it was strictly about money. . . . I know some things were put out there, I guess they said I didn't ass [unfortunate typo not narrowly averted] a physical. I'm a little disappointed by the way it happened but I understand it's a business."

He told White that he won't be retiring, and while he says he won't return to the Raiders his agent has been in touch with the 49ers.

And if Fargas is willing to move north, his former college coach could be interested, too.

As to the notion that it was "strictly about money," Fargas was due to earn a base salary of only $755,000 in 2010. That said, there's a chance that he had a roster bonus due.

Per NFLPA records, Fargas was under contract with the Raiders through 2014, with a base salary maxing out at $1.775 million in the final year.

FML

LMAO Thomas Jones is suddenly looking a lot better.

Sweet deal. I wouldnt mind jones, but id rather have fargas.

Huh?

For sure!

he'd come cheap, whatever

If we have to sign a RB over-30...Gimme Jones.

Yay.

ROFL

I take back everything I said earlier.

Pay Jones whatever the **** he's asking for.

Just say no to Huggy Cub.

Teams like Cleveland are successfully scouring the market and getting second tier FAs to fill non-essential, but still important, roles, and we are debating which over 30 year old RB to sign.

You're going to use Cleveland as a model for success in the league?
Really?

There's clearly a minimum age for the exclusive Right 53 club.

Did I say they were a model for absolute success, you dumb mother****er? No.

I did, however, say that they were doing a good job maximizing value while not paying out the ass.

He's using a franchise in a city and situation as unattractive as KC with brand new management to illustrate how ****ing inept our management in it's second year is proving itself to be.

Hey Mic,

I've got a present for you:

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My thoughts exactly.

Don't bitch up now...
You used Cleveland as a model for success.
Pashos and Fujita don't exactly make for the best off-season ever.

We could draft two players who'll be cheaper alternatives and longer-term solutions come April.

Jeez dude...

Simmer down a bit. You need an e-hug or something?
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I'm fine with it. He runs hard, is decent in short yardage, and heck, it is the AFC West. Whoever plays in the AFC West stays in the AFC West. It's not like we're building our rushing attack around the guy.

Try not to poke the angry badger, mkay?
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JFC, we can't fill every hole on this roster in the draft.

Not at all jumping to conclusions.
It's fairly simple mathematics.

You used Cleveland as an example of what this organization ought to be doing.

My question is... Why sign a guy like Fujita when we could, for example, draft a Sergio Kindle?

You couldn't do both? Fujita is a TED backer in a 3-4, and Kindle is a rush linebacker. Completely independent of each other.

Its going to take FAs AND drafting to round out this team. We can sign the leftover scraps in FA or get some decent ones, I would prefer to sign some decent ones.

We can't get two LB's in the April draft?
Really?

You really believe that signing Fujita, who's career will be grinding to a halt in the next two years, is more prudent than drafting someone who'll be peaking then?

He looked better last year, but every other year in his career I would've said something like, "He can only play on calm days, because a strong breeze will knock him down".

Fujita could play outside as well, but point taken.
Either way...I'd rather us draft an ILB.

Vrabel?

That's how I interpreted it.

I'm fine with that...just not at that position.
Unless there's a more attractive option available than Fujita.
He's a good solid LB, but come on...

No, I'm just tired of this stupid ****ing one who sucks the penis constantly jumping to insanely idiotic conclusions based upon half truths cooked up in his own lobotomized mind.

You don't even have a ****ing clue what position that Fujita would play in this scheme, and you actually think you have a clue about what to do in this draft?

We could fill two LB positions in the draft, but we could also sign a guy to fill a lower priority ILB position in free agancy for a year or two and use the draft to fill other glaring holes.

Not a move I supported. At all...
This is a great year to nab a talented pair of LB's in the Draft.

Did I say that they were having the best offseason ever?

Point me to where I said this.

Also, point me to where I've said that second tier FA's can't fill non-essential positions on your team, especially when cost efficient.

If not, then shut the **** up.

Pioli!

I dont think he was, and Im certainly not advocating we sign Fujita. Just that Cleveland under new management is filling holes on their roster and I think we should be doing the same. Second tier guys for a good price.

Chill out, guys. The draft is FAR more important than any of this bullshit, and we have the Executive of the Decade.

the browns suck dude

What the **** are you babbling about?

Fujita is in no way a rushbacker. He has 19 career sacks in 8 seasons.

He's occasionally sent as a blitzer.

Remember all those idiots who claimed Curry could possibly play OLB in a 3-4 last year (I wouldn't be shocked if you were one).

Well, add 8 years onto his career of not doing this, and then you have the stupidity of the above post.

never liked fargas

Yes, because only self-important snobs like you and Hamas understand NFL defenses and how to appropriately handle the NFL Draft.

I suppose Tom Heckert...who said he could play inside or outside in the 3-4 doesn't know what he's talking about either? Got it ace...

What can we expect from Fujita in two years when this team is, potentially, ready to contend?

49ers are next

Mic looks like a dumbass once again.

There are going to have to be some veterans involved in the building process, some effective stop-gaps.

The catch, however, is that they can't be a bunch of broke-dicks, whom the current regime seems enamored with. Evidence A: Touchdown Brown.

One of us used the Cleveland Browns as a model for how to appropriately address Free Agency. The other one pointed out the fact that those particular transactions aren't likely to have stellar material results. And went on to suggest that the Draft might present better alternatives for a team in this position (still not quite ready to contend).

And please...for the love of all that is holy...
Please stop with the Internet tough guy shit.
Let's just have a conversation like civil adults shall we?

I don't give a rat's ass what Tom Heckart said.
I sure as hell ain't going to sign someone who's never rushed the QB to play an OLB position.

Who gives a **** what we can expect from him in two years?
I'm talking about a ****ing stopgap you dumbass.

Still playing personal assistant to 4H?
You'll never get that taste out of your mouth.

Why don't you act civil so we can have an adult discussion?

Cute, you net thugs slay me...

You fail at critical thought.
Why would we opt for a stop-gap at a position where we could find a long-term solution come April?
Don't worry...I'll wait.

Beause we have over 22 holes and how many draft picks?

Did you ever think that Tom Heckert (who exclusively drafted talent for a 4-3 in Philly) and Holmgren (who exclusively ran a 4-3 as a coach) might be setting the stage for a change from a 3-4 to a 4-3?

Is there a position, theoretically speaking, for which we could NOT find a long-term solution for in the draft?

We have only so many picks (and a dumb mother****er making the decisions).

oh noes ... we don't want Thomas Jones, that would be stupid.

:facepalm:

We're bringing Thomas Jones in on Monday.
Fargas is also being lined up.

We need someone to support and spell Charles.
Seems to me like they're doing that.

If you've read my posts Laz, I've advocated signing him all along if the price is right. That post was for everyone who complained about it.

Wait were not going to sign Fargas & Jones are we? That'd be silly.

Yes. We have 22 holes Billay.
No talent with which to build around.

he knows more about football than you, so what does that say about yourself?

The point is Mic we don't have enough picks to fill all the holes.

Very possible.

Beside the point though.

It comes down, again, to an idea that the Chiefs are standing pat while other franchises are setting themselves up nicely in FA. An idea which I honestly have no problem with... But Cleveland is NOT the example I would've used.

Again, with the absolutist dipshit tripe.

Did I say these transactions were the fulcrum by which their Super Bowl success will tip?

No.

When have I ever marginalized the importance of the draft? Ever?

At the same time, if you have holes at places like ted backer, right tackle, or backup RB, I'm in no way bothered with addressing much more important positions in the draft.

Again, you are forced to construct a strawman by assuming that this rebuild isn't a multi-year effort.

I don't give a **** if we don't draft a RT or Ted backer this year. I'd much rather invest valuable picks at impact positions. We have 10 picks and about 20 holes.

Not everything has to be fixed now, but if you can find guys like Pashos or Fujita to fill a hole for two years who will 1) play at a decent level and are 2) cheap, then you are working FA correctly.

Put please, continue inventing bullshit to sustain your argument.

sorry ... my post was just a general comment for everyone, not directed at you specifically.

Tell me, realistically, how many holes we absolutely need to fill?

Atogwae & Walters would have filled 2 holes nicely. Then I would fill the rest via the draft. Maybe sign a guy on the d-line thats a nice rotational player, the d-line is almost set.

Well, let me think about this for a second.

Let's see.

We need,

Center
RG
RT
Two Wrs
NT
Two ILBs
OLB
Two safeties
CB

We have,
A first
Two seconds,
A third
A Fourth
Two Fifths

In the draft.

You do the math.

QB, NT, Rush LB, Safety, ILB, KR/PR, C, RG, RT, WR, RB

I will give you Thomas Jones, he would be an exceptional pick up. (havent signed him yet) But I wouldnt put Fargas as a second tier guy.

it's frustrating that we seem to be determined to avoid spending any real money on free agency.

in new england they generally always cheaped by in FA and it was successful so Pioli thinks he can do the same thing here. I just don't see it.

Neither am I, but I'm certainly not going to flip shit about passing on a LB who's approaching 30. Not when there's a better, cheaper alternative available 7 weeks from now.

If I favor using the Draft over signing a 30-year LB I don't understand that it's going to take several years to rebuild this team? Got ya...
:rolleyes:

You do a fine job of that all on your own sir.

QB
RB2
WR2
WR3
C
RG
RT
NT
ILB (x2)
OLB
FS
SS

And that's just starters that desperately need to be upgraded. (Obviously not counting RB2)

I've advocated the draft as the only way to build a team that is a championship contender. However, I realize that draft picks do not always work, nor should you stop looking to other areas for help.

So, with that said:

Why sign a 32 year old Thomas Jones when you can sign a 27 year old Mike Bell to perform the same role (and suffer little to no drop off in production at a low price)?

Why not pursue a guy like OJ Atogwe, who is both of a reasonable age (28) and not pursuing a monster deal?

Why not look at a guy like Pashos for a couple million per year instead of investing that same amount in Ndukwe and O'Callaghan, both players we know can't play the position?

Why resign Mike Vrabel when he was a pouting bitch and a broke dick mother****er last year?

Why not look at a guy like Dwan Edwards, who is a cheap and ideal 2 gap DE, instead of some Patriots scrub like LeKevin Smith?

For the record, I'm giving Tamba Hali and Matt Cassel a pass in that list of needs.

I absolutely believe those are positions of need, but that is another debate entirely.

Well heres the thing when New England signed guys they took risks that paid off big. Signing Otagwe right now is a risk as he's injured. I think the tender on him is like 1.2 mil or something. I'd roll the dice and offer 3-4 mil per. If you land a safety of his caliber paying that much it's a steal.

I'm giving Hali a pass, I'm looking for a Vrabel replacement.

And Cassel gets no such pass.

Damn, I even forgot about RB2.

Your accuracy is as impressive as Cassel's.

if you are in a long rebuild this it's perfectly acceptable to sign a veteran RB because of that position's short shelf life.

drafting a big time running back is something you do when you are just about ready to make a real push.

If Chambers is re-signed I think we'd only need 1 other WR in the draft.
And again, there's always the secondary waves of Free Agency.

Niswanger can play RG. I don't think that's imperative to upgrade this year.
O'Callaghan can stay on at RT as well.

I would like to see C, NT, ILB, OLB, S addressed in April.
That's 5 picks. And again... I'm NOT opposed to bringing in FA's. I've gone on the record about at least a half-dozen FA's I'd like to sign.

Pashos and Fujita weren't on it.