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Titty Meat 03-20-2010 11:49 AM

PFT tries to fix the Chiefs
 
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...ix-the-chiefs/

Titty Meat 03-20-2010 11:50 AM

Finally an "expert" says we should draft Clausen.

DaneMcCloud 03-20-2010 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by billay (Post 6617722)
Finally an "expert" says we should draft Clausen.

While the rest of the idiots lambasted him for it, stating Cassel needs more time, like Trent Green.

:shake:

Dante84 03-20-2010 12:09 PM

They said NOTHING.

58kcfan89 03-20-2010 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Dante84 (Post 6617747)
They said NOTHING.

This. He says that we have all these glaring needs (which we obviously do), then says that we should/will draft Clausen without giving much of a reason to do so (although I realize everyone here can give 10000000 amazing reasons). He re-hashed every big offseason headline, said we should draft Jimmy and then says that we'll be in the thick of the AFC West with San Diego.... Once again we get more amazing insight from PFT...

Dante84 03-20-2010 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by 58kcfan89 (Post 6617851)
This. He says that we have all these glaring needs (which we obviously do), then says that we should/will draft Clausen without giving much of a reason to do so (although I realize everyone here can give 10000000 amazing reasons). He re-hashed every big offseason headline, said we could draft Jimmy and then says that we'll be in the thick of the AFC West with San Diego.... Once again we get more amazing insight from PFT...

FYP

Hootie 03-20-2010 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6617746)
While the rest of the idiots lambasted him for it, stating Cassel needs more time, like Trent Green.

:shake:

I certainly hope you're not referring to me...

I never said anything about Matt Cassel needing more time...in fact, I've been on the Jimmy Clausen bandwagon longer than just about anyone (stating we needed to trade up using our 2nd round picks to land him in the mid 1st when he was projected to go there)...

All I said was...

If you compare situations...they both walked into similar situations in KC only Green had the advantage of working in Vermeil's system basically his entire career...and had better weapons around him...and they both managed to have abysmal first seasons with KC.

Titty Meat 03-20-2010 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by The Meat Dragon (Post 6617951)
I certainly hope you're not referring to me...

I never said anything about Matt Cassel needing more time...in fact, I've been on the Jimmy Clausen bandwagon longer than just about anyone (stating we needed to trade up using our 2nd round picks to land him in the mid 1st when he was projected to go there)...

All I said was...

If you compare situations...they both walked into similar situations in KC only Green had the advantage of working in Vermeil's system basically his entire career...and had better weapons around him...and they both managed to have abysmal first seasons with KC.

Cassel had better WR's.

DaWolf 03-20-2010 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by billay (Post 6617957)
Cassel had better WR's.

Perhaps, but they also dropped tons of passes, and there was no Priest Holmes out of the backfield or Tony Gonzalez...

Titty Meat 03-20-2010 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by DaWolf (Post 6617995)
Perhaps, but they also dropped tons of passes, and there was no Priest Holmes out of the backfield or Tony Gonzalez...

Green was also a more accurate QB. It's fair to say Cassel's ceiling is 21-25 td's and he'll never be a great down the field passer.

Johnny Vegas 03-20-2010 02:47 PM

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DaWolf 03-20-2010 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by billay (Post 6617999)
Green was also a more accurate QB. It's fair to say Cassel's ceiling is 21-25 td's and he'll never be a great down the field passer.

Cassel hasn't proven anything to me yet. If he doesn't improve on his release and accuracy, he'll never get it done...

StcChief 03-20-2010 06:17 PM

grain of SALT....it pft.

T-post Tom 03-20-2010 07:21 PM

He lost me at "...supplant Jamaal Charles."

FloridaMan88 03-20-2010 08:04 PM

Give Cassel a franchise caliber LT and some WRs to throw to and he can have the transformation that Trent Green had from his first season to his second season in KC

kcmaxwell 03-20-2010 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by T-post Tom (Post 6619607)
He lost me at "...supplant Jamaal Charles."

this.
Thats why we brought in TJ? To push out Charles? Get a grip!!

Tribal Warfare 03-20-2010 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by KCChiefsfan88 (Post 6619735)
Give Cassel a franchise caliber LT and some WRs to throw to and he can have the transformation that Trent Green had from his first season to his second season in KC

ROFL, dude Cassel doesn't have one tenth of Trent's accuracy, arm, and leadership capability. I was on the Trent Green bandwagon when KC got him, and was still on when he had the bad season during his 1st year as the starter with the Chiefs. Cassel has better mobility, but that is it.

RustShack 03-20-2010 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by KCChiefsfan88 (Post 6619735)
Give Cassel a franchise caliber LT and some WRs to throw to and he can have the transformation that Trent Green had from his first season to his second season in KC

Shut the **** up. Cassel would be one of the most sacked QB's in the league even if he had the OL of the Vermiel era. Cassel is nothing like Green. How about give him Andre Johnson and watch him turn into David Carr? Or give him Randy Moss and watch him me Tuasippowhateverthe****?

I would rather have a QB who can make the team look better, not a QB who NEEDS a great team to look OK.

-King- 03-20-2010 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare (Post 6620046)
ROFL, dude Cassel doesn't have one tenth of Trent's accuracy, arm, and leadership capability. I was on the Trent Green bandwagon when KC got him, and was still on when he had the bad season during his 1st year as the starter with the Chiefs. Cassel has better mobility, but that is it.

While I agree with most of your post, trent had a weak arm. Even weaker than cassels.
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-King- 03-20-2010 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by RustShack (Post 6620051)
Shut the **** up. Cassel would be one of the most sacked QB's in the league even if he had the OL of the Vermiel era. Cassel is nothing like Green. How about give him Andre Johnson and watch him turn into David Carr? Or give him Randy Moss and watch him me Tuasippowhateverthe****?

I would rather have a QB who can make the team look better, not a QB who NEEDS a great team to look OK.

This.
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milkman 03-20-2010 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by KcChiefsKing (Post 6620285)
While I agree with most of your post, trent had a weak arm. Even weaker than cassels.
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Green didn't have a strong arm, but no, it wasn't weaker than Cassel's.

Tribal Warfare 03-20-2010 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by KcChiefsKing (Post 6620285)
While I agree with most of your post, trent had a weak arm. Even weaker than cassels.
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No, Trent had a very solid arm. He could hit an out route to a WR without the ball dying like a duck.

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Chiefs=Champions 03-20-2010 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by badmajama (Post 6618001)
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pro football talk?

BIG K 03-21-2010 12:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare (Post 6620344)
No, Trent had a very solid arm. He could hit an out route to a WR without the ball dying like a duck.

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Holy shit! Thank you for that! Forgot how cool that time was offensively! Defensively though.......:Lin:

BigMeatballDave 03-21-2010 12:56 AM

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Originally Posted by billay (Post 6617957)
Cassel had better WR's.

true. green had priest and tony.
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BIG K 03-21-2010 01:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare (Post 6620344)
No, Trent had a very solid arm. He could hit an out route to a WR without the ball dying like a duck.

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In contrast to your statement, I would love to see a video of Cassels pass attempts over 20 yards last year as a Chief. All the good stuff, completions, interceptions, dropped passes, over throws and underthrows. One thing I noticed watching that video, was that Green stepped into the pocket alot to avoid the rush......

Hootie 03-21-2010 01:20 AM

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Originally Posted by billay (Post 6617957)
Cassel had better WR's.

that's a joke...

he had bowe and chambers together for three games last year...

so if you want to say bowe or chambers was better than derrick alexander then go ahead, nice opinion, maybe someday...

aturnis 03-21-2010 01:25 AM

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Originally Posted by KcChiefsKing (Post 6620285)
While I agree with most of your post, trent had a weak arm. Even weaker than cassels.
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UNtrue. Green's arm wasn't amazing, but Cassel's arm is embarrassing.

aturnis 03-21-2010 01:35 AM

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Originally Posted by The Meat Dragon (Post 6620520)
that's a joke...

he had bowe and chambers together for three games last year...

so if you want to say bowe or chambers was better than derrick alexander then go ahead, nice opinion, maybe someday...

Yeah, and don't act like Kennison wasn't better than Chambers. No way in hell Cassel had better receivers, these are the worst receivers in KC for a LONG time. Bowe is good, but one good receiver won't do.

aturnis 03-21-2010 01:36 AM

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Originally Posted by billay (Post 6617999)
Green was also a more accurate QB. It's fair to say Cassel's ceiling is 21-25 td's and he'll never be a great down the field passer.

This.

Saul Good 03-21-2010 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare (Post 6620344)
No, Trent had a very solid arm. He could hit an out route to a WR without the ball dying like a duck.

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How many times does Green bounce up and down on his toes while standing in the pocket in this video? He's got a huge pocket, plenty of time, and more than enough room to take a huge step when throwing. He was perfect for our system, but his line was the best I've ever seen.

Tribal Warfare 03-21-2010 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 6621188)
How many times does Green bounce up and down on his toes while standing in the pocket in this video? He's got a huge pocket, plenty of time, and more than enough room to take a huge step when throwing. He was perfect for our system, but his line was the best I've ever seen.

Actually, the Cowboys early to mid 90's OL was probably better than that crew. Hell, you could drive a truck through the running lanes that Smith had

Hammock Parties 03-21-2010 02:03 PM

Hootie, Derrick Alexander sucked ass his last year in KC.

Other than that I think you have a point.

Hootie 03-21-2010 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs (Post 6621589)
Hootie, Derrick Alexander sucked ass his last year in KC.

Other than that I think you have a point.

Sure...

and Bowe sucked ass last year for KC and Chambers...fine...he was pretty solid...but to say Green had less talented receivers is pretty hard to freaking do

Hammock Parties 03-21-2010 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by The Meat Dragon (Post 6621805)
Sure...

and Bowe sucked ass last year for KC and Chambers...fine...he was pretty solid...but to say Green had less talented receivers is pretty hard to freaking do

Receivers? Absolutely. The Chiefs' receivers were shit that year.

Throwing in Gonzalez muddies the waters a bit.

I think it's debatable either way. It's a gray area.

ToxSocks 03-22-2010 09:22 AM

Wow. After reading those comments i now understand how dumb typical Chiefs fans are. If those ****ers started posting on this board...I think I'd have leave. I'd be pulling my hair out and screaming at my monitor.


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