Well, at least Matt Cassel has no excuses next year.
 

New OC. Check
New slot reciever. Check
New TE. Check
2 new G's Check
New C. Check
Solid LT with 2 years experience. Check
#1 WR with two 1,000 yard seasons (almost) first two seasons. Check
#2 WR with solid game. Check
2 great RB's. Check

Big Matt is all out of excuses except for a new RT.

Time to put up dude!

This entire draft other than Berry and Arenas is about making Cassel look like he wasn't a bad decision...

2 guys were drafted that are basically designed to run little checkoff routes.

Nope. RT will still be a viable excuse.

Anyone who thought we were going to draft Claussen is a fool. This team is all about Cassel.

Not at my house. :shake:

They set the table for this dude. Let's see what he's got.

That's not what I said. Cassel got a bunch of new toys to play with. No excuses next year.

**** Pioli. **** Cassel. **** this franchise.

I'm not going to go there. I've been with this team through a whole lot of bad. Pioli gave his boy all he needs to be successful. I look for Dorsey to move to NT, and Mcgee to move into the LDE position. Berry is a huge upgrade at Saftey. Two picks left tomorrow, not sure how they can be used to help the team this year. Hope we don't trade for anything more and keep our picks next year.

Cassel needs to step up and show he is what all the pundits said he was last year... which was a top 10 QB. God knows the defense suffered in this defense heavy draft... in order to give Cassel what he needs.

Feel free to see the door.

So, at the end of the day, Matt Cassel has to perform next year to be considered for the long term future of the franchise? Hell, he could have told you that before the draft.

Not exactly, but close. This was a defense heavy draft. We were forced into a 3-4 defense last season without the pieces in place. We could have filled many of those pieces last night and today. We started very nicely last night.

BUT, at the end of this year, Cassel has a clause in his contract that basically lets us walk away if he isn't the answer. Looks like we are going to have an answer to that question if nothing else this season.

I love chasing bad decisions.

I'm not saying these are all bad decisions. Hell, they all could be great players. I hope they are.

Just sayin' though... Cassel will have no excuses come January.

My hope is he has us in the playoffs. But I'm not going to go to Vegas and bet the ranch.

This.

This is what happens when you are incapable of admitting you made a piss poor decision.

He's saying the Chiefs are making more bad decisions to cover the bad one of Cassel, right now I think it's correct.

Cassel is the bad decision that we've been chasing since the acquisition.

Today was appallingly bad and it's because of Pioli's nepotism.

This pretty much guarantees that Matt Cassel is the QB for the next 5 years.

Got it!

Were going to find out this year if the 26 yard hail mary off the crossbar was the exception or the rule.

That won't happen now because we're gonna run an offense where McCluster catches 90 passes 2 yards from the LOS.

Cassel is shit. (c)

With all these new additions they are giving him, if he plays anything like he did last season, he shouldn't see March 2011.

Hamas, you probably don't deserve this, and I know you are being sarcastic, but for even insinuating that Cassel will be the QB for 5 years calls for:


Antifreeze
Aids Tree
Get ****ed by a Combine
Impale yourself on a Red Spanish Pineapple


Whew.

It doesn't matter.

We have more than enough evidence to prove that Pioli is shockingly incompetent.

As Rany said about the Royals: "We must put our trust in God because we cannot trust our front office."

Think Scott Pioli is getting fired anytime soon? If not Cassel is gonna stay here, they'll continue to add players to make him look competent if they have to.

Please don't forget a Ninja Black Egg to the eyes.

**** it. I'm gonna write a novel of a post and put it on here in about an hour.

wonderful. can you attach your suicide note?

you know i think McCluster will be a good player for the Chiefs but damn it's where they took him at that really bugs me.

And wouldn't you know it, the Broncos drafted Tebow.

****.

Cool. I hope you add the disclaimer that none of the players we've drafted have played a single down in the NFL yet.

He got broken, second hand toys to play with. The island of misfit draft picks and free agents.

I know, but God Damnit we can dream, can't we?!

If Cassel is the next Trent Green like everybody around here wants, maybe next year we can add a wide receiver and have the #1 offense! It'll be just like old times.

True on a few of them. :)

But none the less, he has a roster full of new guys since he first stepped on the field as a Chief. Waters (nearly done) and Bowe are the only two that are not "new" since that day.

We should see some real progress if he is a true QB. And I have a feeling the opposing DC's are going to test him. Can't imagine many of them are going to go home with Charles hanging 200 on them as the first option.

I hope Matt Cassel gets hit by a greyhound bus.

Yeaaaa! True Fans will suck each other off when we go 13-3 and get beat in the playoffs again!!!!


BTW I loved Trent Green, but I need to vent.

I mentioned this once before. The Chiefs had the opportunity to draft a NT, A QB, and LT, they passed on all. It is my humble opinion that the Chiefs are confident in their new coaching staff to coach up all of the forementioned positions. I could very well see a beefed up Dorsey at NT with Jackson and Macgee on the edge. Cass get's another shot with a guy who knows a couple things about qb play. Do I agree entirely with the Chiefs thoughts? No, but just saying I can see what they are thinking.......

It should be apparent they believe in what they have at those positions and are relying on coaching to make it happen....

Let it be known to all that dwells on the Planet, this was the moment AfCasselstan was conceived.


http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=227153

My guess right now is this does not turn out near as bad as what many are thinking right now.Last year's team did better than what I expected in truth.Was really expecting a team that might have the #1 pick in 2010.They do need a couple guys on D,but I have a strange feeling this turns out ok.I am not saying 10 wins or anything right now,but I think they actually might have built a little here if one does believe in Albert.I think the D will pull off a bit of a surprise and the team will improve and be decent.Don't believe Pioli has it all ****ed up just yet, and I really don't even care for him.Just an opinion.
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Dorsey is not going to play NT. He's too small. Hell he's barely 6'1" 297lbs. He's not going to "beef up" on Haley's Jazzercize conditioning program. And despite how much weight he could gain, he'd still be too small.

It seems that they're comfortable with Edwards and Smith.

I respect your thoughts but, I will stand by my post. Dorsey at NT. You and everyone else can flame my ass later if I am wrong.......

I hope we can get him on a Moped like Percy Snow and the same result happen.

interesting analogy that it's about excuses..I mean, teams shouldn't do what they can to help their offense succeed? or better yet, aren't you stating the reasons for the subpar performance of the offense?

...it's 11 guys, not 1.

What are we waiting to see?
Last year Matt Cassel put a stat line almost as good as Tyler Thigpen's.
He threw for 21 TDs in the same exact offense that Brady threw 50 TDs for.
Pioli can surround him with the AFC All Star team but he's still a backup QB on most teams.

Oh god, KCJohnny has turned to the darkside.

You know what I'd like to do?

I'd like to find the guy that did this, rip his still beating heart out his chest and hold it in front of his face, so he can see how black it is before he dies.

good point,

and it saddens me

I could stomach him as a developmental QB if they hadn't invested $63 million in him. I think Croyle could get us to 9-7 this year by handing off to two 1 thousand yard RBs and converting some 3rd downs. He'd leave a bit more cap room for other weapons.

I hope he gets assraped by a group of disease ridden chimpanzees

If all else fails we were still right about DV...:evil:

people still talking about him? Shit...

We pretty much have a highly paid Tyler THigpen RIGHT NOW...

Well Brad, I actually look back on the DV years with a bit of nostalgia now that they are safely in the rea-view mirror. Haley is the antiDV. Both his Coordinators can coach circles around him. Chiefs fans will have high expectations for a turnaround season in 2010, and I think they will be pleased for the most part. But as the OP asserts, no more excuses. Haley has everything all the post-Marty coaches did not except a pro-bowl QB (yes, DeBerg, Montana, Bono, Grbac, Green all made the PB in Chiefs red). But Pioli signed Cassel, and he's going with him hell or highwater.

With this stable of RBs and Crennel's 3-4, I realistically think this team can win 9 games next year. I would consider anything less than that underachievment. As we all know, the distance between 10-6 and 6-10 can be acouple turnovers and a STs play or two.

KCJ
:arrow:

Just for the sake of playing Devil's advocate...

Drew Brees was so piss-poor during his first go-round as Chargers starter that they drafted Rivers. Not saying that Cassel is Brees, but I am saying things were not exactly stacked in his favor last season.

- #1 Receiver out for 4 games due to substance abuse suspension.
- #2 Receiver doesn't get to KC till midway through the season.
- Stuck handing off to LJ for half the year.
- Offensive coordinator was fired before the start of the season.
- Offensive line had major issues throughout the season.

I will fully admit that he didn't play well even when Charles was tearing it up. But the situation he was put in was hardly one where you could legitimately expect success.

Now, with a new draft's worth of weapons, a re-tooled o-line, and a full off-season learning under Weis, I think it's reasonable to think that he can have a solid season. Maybe he doesn't make the Pro Bowl, but I think based on this off-season, he should have a markably better season this year as opposed to last. He did win 11 games two years ago (Which is still 1 more than the Chiefs have won in the past 3 seasons).

Always look on the bright side of life, peeps.

Yep. Right up on the edge of that cap thing, aren't we?

No chance in hell.

None.

I applaud your optimism, buddy. But those 11 games were won with the same exact team that went 18-0, set a record for scoring offense and piled up 50 TD passes the year prior. We've seen Cassel pilot the most prolific offense in NFL history. 11-5, and 21 TD passes with the same exact team.

I hope he's AWESOME in KC with a more balanced offense that won't be running the spread like NE. But looks like Weis was brought in here to replicate the Pats spread O and we've already seen Cassel perform a workman-like fill-in role with average results. I'm 90% certain that nearly every back up QB in the NFL could have produced similar results on the 2008 Pats.

I just hope Haley/Weiss maximize what talent they HAVE and not hammer the available talent into the Kansas City Chieftriots. We've already seen this movie with Ramifization in 2001-2005.

:D

But the Pats under Weis were never really a true 'spread' team... It always struck me that they went more spread when McDaniels became OC and the got Moss and Welker. Until then, Brady had the rep of being able to make his WRs better; after 2008, it was the combo of Brady, the scheme, and his WRs that made the Patriots offense so scary.

Again, stand up and bow.

We was right there.

'Course, we was also both dead wrong about Herm....BUT that's a different story...

Fair enough. I concede that McDaniels definitely went spread-ward. Off topic, do you see him running a spread in Donkeytown with Tim Tebow?

LOL, well..... I never thought Herm was the answer, but I was willing to give him a chance. We both thought Herm would bring defense back to KC. Mea culpa on that one.

Q: will the Chiefs run a spread O in 2010? Is Haley looking for a Cards type O? We do not have the horses for that.

I think Denver is honestly the best possible situation for Tebow. I know we all like to mock McFistpump but Kyle Neckbeard was a below-average QB at best in Chicago; the only reason he was thought to be a viable option is because he wasn't nearly the ****-up that Rex Grossman was, and the Bears were in an 'Any port in a storm' scenario. In Denver, while Orton wasn't exactly Drew Brees, he wasn't exactly a horrifically awful QB either. Josh McDaniels knows how to coach that position, for all his other questionable moves as a HC. I don't think he'll rush Tebow into action, and I think no other player on Denver's roster is going to have as much coaching and help as Tebow will.

Time will tell of course, but right now, I'd say the chances of Tebow being an NFL success, or at the very least, not an NFL failure, are the greatest in Denver. If he were to have gone to Buffalo or Jacksonville, I'd wager he'd be playing QB for the Winnipeg Blue Bombers in two years.

No.

I think his input has been removed from almost every aspect of the offensive philosophy.

Haley's idea of offense is gone. Out the window.

That's the whole idea. You draft players who can play a number of positions and then you don't have to replace a stud at position A or D, just an underpaid guy asked to play 2 or 3 positions...

Really?
This is still the same Todd Haley that fired Chan Gailey right before the 2009 season so he could run 'his' offense. I hope you are right, but I somehow doubt it.

You don't have Charles and Jones on your team and then run a spread. You don't draft a TE like Moeaki if you are going spread. This team might have some 5 receiver formations and look to get the defense to cover the whole field, but we're not a spread any more than we were with Trent Green and Priest Holmes.

That is really what I am saying. The reason for Cassel's sub-par performance last year centered around the idea that he didn't have any talent around him. He has been given talent. Damn near everywhere. And I like the talents of a lot of the guys we selected. The ball is in his court now. They sold us a bill of goods last year that said he was a top 10 QB in this league. We should see this fall if that is a true statement or not.

You know what? Blow it our your ass...go be a ****ing Donk-gay fan...

**** You...

where's the "improved OT's. Check"?

And when he sucks....those will be the excuses that people use to give him another year.

There will be all sorts of excuses. Just wait...

1. He's started for only two full seasons. Give him time!
2. Yet another OC! He needs consistency!
3. McCluster is still learning the system!
4. He's throwing to tiny targets!

Rinse, repeat.

Dont forget Albert is NOT a LT in this league!

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If Moeaki didnt get injured Cassel wouldve had a check down on all those sacks!

I can already see how it's going to play out next year. Cassel is going to put up his mediocre numbers once again, take a bunch of sacks and the front office is then going to blame Albert. The fans will scream for a LT in the 1st round and one more year for Cassel.

so if Albert and O'callaghan don't improve and Cassel has to run for his life again ... that's an excuse?

So, you don't like Wes Welker and Kevin Faulk? Odd way to look at it.

When does it become Cassel's fault for holding onto the ball to long?

well, bye

What's funny is that people say the OL got better at the end of year, in part because sacks went down, but nobody wants to give any credit that the reason sacks were down may be because of the combination of improved OL play and Cassel getting rid of the ball faster.

OK, here is my line of thinking. You are an opposing DC prepairing to play KC. Do you take away the run? Or do you take away the pass? If it is me, I take away Charles and see if Cassel can make the plays.

If opposing DC's do put 8 in the box to take Charles out of the gameplan, we now have the weapons for Cassel to make them pay. And those weapons can take the ball to the house. Bowe can. Chambers can. McCluster can. And Mieoke (sp) can. But Cassel has to be able to hit those receivers... something he was not able to do last season when given the opportunity to pass.

If he does hit them this season, this offense could be fun to watch. Damn fun. If he can not hit them... might be time for a new signal caller. Even if O'Callahan isn't the greatest RT in the league.

It's on Cassel. Nothing more. Nothing less.

You take away the run and let him throw to guys with hands of stone and a scatback KC is trying to convert.