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I've heard from several sources that there was a heated debate within the Chiefs when the #36 pick came up. Weis was adamant that Classen was the pick. Pioli and Haley still believe that Cassell can be the QB that we need and we can pass on Claussen at that pick. This was Pioli's decision. Pioli's top priorites were playmakers and to add team speed.



The Chiefs were told that Philly was going to pick McCkuster so they pulled the trigger at 2a. The plan was to drat him at 2B.



Many rumors that this is Haley's last year unless there is major improvement not just in the Cheifs record but the locker room and team chemistry. I guess there were a lot of locker room issues last season and that is also what is driving Pioli with the high charector players. Sorry, but I don't know the details, all I know is that there were many issues in the locker room and with team chemistry.

Why hire a OC if you arent going to listen to him?

If that's the case, then both Haley and Pioli should be fired.

You don't draft someone at 36 who you target at 50 because someone else covets him. You let the board come to you. You also don't believe the misinformation that is out there.

You also don't fill the team with inferior talents who have good character simply because the coach is losing control of the team. If the coach loses control of the team, you ****ing fire the sonofabitch, cut out the cancer, and bring in better players.

On top of that, if Pioli wanted to add team speed, why did he draft the slowest safety in the draft who does almost nothing well, and an OLB who could barely crack a 5-flat 40?

Either your source is off or Pioli is a complete idiot piece of shit.

Funny thing is Clausen went two picks ahead of KC? They traded all that for an injured tight end but didn't trade up for a franchise QB. This franchise is ran by morons.

Anybody with a brain knew Philly was going safety with that early 2nd round pick. They were so high on the safeties and worked out Berry, Earl Thomas and Nate Allen just like the Chiefs did prior to the draft. They were taking Nate Allen there, the last of the first round talent graded safeties, I'd imagine someone told the Chiefs that Philly was going to take McShitter and the Chiefs clearly got cold feet and shit themselves. I'm sure Philly might have been targeting him with their second 2nd rounder. Like the NFL network said, a team like the Eagles has the option to take a luxury pick that early, when you only win 4 games, there is no point in making that pick.

This is just a sad draft if its the case of the Chiefs front office protecting themselves, instead of going for clear best player available to your needs.

yeah this move was pure stupidity also.

This

Sal Palontonio said the Eagles war room was ready to draft McCluster with that upcoming pick, and were stunned when we picked him.

He's usually very well connected to the Philly sports scene, so I think that info was fairly accurate. But who knows. Plus if that was a lie they wouldn't even bring it up, why do they care to rationalize our draft.

Pretty sure teams say stuff like this all time. They could have said that just so the Chiefs were forced to pick there rather than trade the spot away for someone to jump ahead of Philly to take Nate Allen.

Look at this way if the Eagles DONT leak that kind of information, true or false, than the Chiefs might think McCrapper would fall to us at 50, thus our 36 could have been used on another actual real need or a player that the fans wanted (like Clausen). I have no idea if this email is true or not, but it seems like they themselves know that it was a HUGE reach at 36 and they really arent trying to justify it other than with: "good dude great character loves to smile and will help dress KC Wolfe before the game!"

Interesting info. But the news I got tonight was that Weis had no desire to be reunited with Clausen.

I was also told that the coordinators absolutely have input into player picks. Crennel was all over Berry for example. He wanted to run his pro day because of how much Monte Kiffin hyped him to Romeo.

I also don't believe that Haley is on any sort of hot seat, nor that the locker room was a problem last year. The problem in the locker room was Larry Johnson. Players continued to play hard for Haley all year. I really think Haley is an ascending coach. Romeo and Charlie also would not have signed on if Haley was just going to be here one year. Charlie has no desire to ever be a head coach again so he's not angling for anything. Romeo might, but I'm pretty confident Pioli is staying the course with Haley.

I don't know, I guess because I don't think the Eagles picking the guy is that much of a stretch... they'd use him in a Westbrook role. He sounds like the perfect guy for that.

Yes, this is all true.

My best friend is a diehard Eagles fan. He told me earlier in the day they were targeting McCluster with their 2nd rounder they got for McNabb.

Cassell is this regimes QB, win or lose, they have made their choice. OCs, coach offense and GMs have the final decision on players chosen.

Yeah, I believe teams leak info to try to manipulate other teams. But they wouldn't use Sal Paolantonio like that. What's he gonna do, run to the Chiefs and tell them the Eagles plan? He'd be froze out forever if he did that, and he was all over it the second we picked McCluster.

Do you know why Weis had no desire to be with Clausen? I find that pretty shocking.

Or this is just more speculation. But of course it feeds the notion that Pioli and Haley are dumbshits lets roll with it. I can't believe how people will allow themselves to become personally invested in their opinions about players. Face it. You were off on Clausen. He was not perceived to be a franchise quarterback by anyone. Cassel or not.

Is that why he'll be competing for the starting QB position with the Panthers?

I'd expect him to get a shot. Every draftee on this team is going to get a shot to play. But that doesn't mean we should have taken him at 5. Or even at 36. Clearly, nobody in this league felt he was rated as highly as the Clausen ball lickers around here did.

but clausen isn't a franchise QB because he wasn't drafted in the first round.....

Charlie does not swing that way. A guy that talked to him in Best Buy told me so. ;)

Who said that?

Any GM that drafts based on what the fans want should be immediately fired. It isn't a popularity contest.

The point is that the self-proclaimed experts were claiming that Clausen was a franchise quarterback worthy of the fifth overall pick. Clearly they were wrong. And they were ready to condemn Pioli and Haley if the chiefs didn't take either him or Berry at five.

How would they know that Clausen was a franchise quarterback? Because it was obvious? If it was so obvious to them why wasn't it obvious to every team in the league. I'm no expert but even I had reservations. Now, he may prove to be a franchise quarterback but that isn't the point, either. McCoy or Tebow could prove to be a franchise quarterback.

What this proves is that their evaluation of Clausen did not jibe with the rest of the league. And it validates the opinions of those who had reservations about Clausen. It proves that the know-it-alls didn't have it right. And it was probably because they invested themselves in the conventional wisdom instead of coming to their own conclusions.

Right up there... read The Bad Guy's post.

But remember, Weis said QB, he didn't say Clausen. :)

But really, I guess it's not that shocking. It's possible he was tired of Clausen's crap. We never even really considered that.

I think the draft has gone really well. Maybe that's because it's harder to evaluate lineman. But we desperately needed another playmaker on O besides the skinny fast guy, or he won't make it the half way point for all the attention he'll get.

Also our secondary was extremely slow - does anyone know how many TD's we gave up on long runs after the catch last year? I don't but it was probably the highest in the NFL.

Football teams have big locker rooms, there is always a lot of different opinions floating around. When Billicheck at NE 'lost' his locker room the captains went to him and said you can't do the things you're doing and so he addressed them instead and they cascaded it down. I'm sure that this lesson is not lost on Pioli, he wants to be tough but he knows that he needs a core of guys to help him keep people believing. They might hate him, but as long as they believe then we have a chance.

Personally it's not my way, but there are lots of different ways to win things. I went to state with a baseball coach we all hated, but he gave us a focus to rally around (our hatred of him) and although I found it difficult to admit, this does actually work.

**Those of you in the military may recognize this from your boot ;)

Yeah, but that doesn't mean Clausen is going to be a bust either. If a lot of teams had to do it over again, they wouldn't have let Drew Brees fall to where he did. The criticisms were different, but still. Clausen fell into a very good situation... although I do think he is the best QB of this bunch, that helps. I liked Stafford over Sanchez but he didn't get to play behind the best running attack and a top notch defense, so now Sanchez is the golden boy.

But who knows... I wonder if the bar fight hurt him. Especially in light of the Roethlisberger stuff.

Yeah, I said he could still pan out. I never claimed he wouldn't ever be good. I just didn't see where he was a sure fire franchise quarterback.

Also, I don't necessarily believe that it was the character questions that caused him to be picked at 48. If he were truly deemed a franchise quarterback by any team it wouldn't have prevented them from taking him higher. I like his toughness and his competitiveness. Both of which I think far outweighed the minor compaints about his character. If Clausen had the same skill set that Bradford does he would not have been picked at 48.

I have no connections or inside sources whatsoever, so I might be talking out my a$$ here, but I tend to agree with you. Romeo and Charlie both have solid resumes in the NFL and most likely had their choice of destinations. I do not think neither would have went somewhere that their input would not be taken seriously. Nor would they have walked into a messy situation involving the rest of the coaching staff. Truth to be known, Clausen was probably not high on our list. I'm thinking the current regime beleives we're set at that position. I may get tarred and feathered out of here for this one, but I also think that with the right supporting cast and better protection, Cassel can be a solid starter. I'm not claiming he's going to be the next Joe Montana, John Elway, Dan Marino, or the like but I think he will be a solid starter in the right system tweaked to his strengths and weaknesses. I may be eating crow on this one but those are my thoughts as of now. Our pass protection has got to improve this year though. He got sacked like 42 times last year and no telling how many times he got popped right after releasing the ball last year. Throw in the times the defender was right in his face and our QB was getting hurried ALOT and alot of plays didn't have time to develop. Almost any QB will have trouble in this scenario. Not like when Trent Green was behind our pro bowl line a few years back. You could have camped out behind that line. I'll shut up and stop ranting now.

If you're a preacher and I'm in the choir, why are you look at me during the sermon?

Why do people not look at the sack numbers for New England in '06, '07, and '08 and not recognize that, while the O-line here was bad, Cassel was every bit as responsible for that high sack number?

I want a ****ing QB that raises the level of play around him, not some scrub that will be okay when he's surrounded by superior talent.

And no, that QB I wanted was not Jimmy Clausen.

I'm just get ****ing tired of you dumbasses making excuses for a shitty ****ing QB.

Your eyes must be brown.

x 100,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000

My source told me that Hoovers sources are the same sources as my sources.

My sourses tell me that I have to take a shit, which, coincidentally, is what the Chiefs did over the last two days.

I have two predictions for the year. the Chiefs will not be over .500, and Todd Haley will curse more than Turner Gill.

Randy Moss made Dante Cullpepper look like a NFL QB just like he made Matt Cassel look like one. The turd is avg at best. Unfortunately this wasn't a good year in terms of QB talent with only one elite prospect. Next year when we are picking in the same area (how could we not be given the state of the front 7) there should be more QB talent available be it first or second round.

Because his job is to coordinate the offense, not run a draft.

[QUOTE=mjdoesnfl;6712060]I think the draft has gone really well. Maybe that's because it's harder to evaluate lineman. But we desperately needed another playmaker on O besides the skinny fast guy, or he won't make it the half way point for all the attention he'll get.

[B]Also our secondary was extremely slow - does anyone know how many TD's we gave up on long runs after the catch last year? I don't but it was probably the highest in the NFL. [/

I am not going to say the chiefs didn't reach a round early for 2B.,but this guy will make a difference here. He is quick as hell, and is very good at getting to the qb and finishing,something the chiefs have been lacking also. Most of the teams quit kicking to him on kick returns cause he was so hard to handle. And were talking SEC where team speed is not at short commodity. Special teams is such a large part of todays game and think about how many times the chiefs probably lose because they simply cant control field position. When was the last time anyone respected the chiefs return game?

I don't care what the reasoning was. I have been content in the past to say that Pioli and the scouts know more about these players than me. But seriously. How on earth do they have McCluster and Arenas higher on their boards than Clausen, Kindle, Tate, Cody, and Mays. All of these guys had first round talent and would have made an immediate impact. Most of them would have even started this season. I can't believe I am saying this, but I agree with Hamas. Pioli is an idiot.




Just typing that I agree with Hamas has made me sick to my stomach.:shake:

This might be the worst thing I read or heard all week.

Mother ****er.

maube this was put out there because weis likes jimmy as a person but not as a nfl qb. i would have been ok with clausen but what tangible about the guy is nfl prototype? height? weight? hand size? arm strength?
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and its funny how many hypocrites in this thread, sal pal is FOS, but this is a for sure truth? remember brc is using more than just "the source" now.....
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If this is true, I mean if the BRC info is 100%........****.

I was even kinda excited about McCluster.

I feel sick to my stomach...

Lol every year its "well i didnt see any franchise qbs in this draft, but NEXT YEAR? oh man."

if true and weis wanted the guy so bad why didnt he just quit? i mean **** it if they arent going to make you successful why stay?
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That's rich! It's also true. (I'm glad Chicago got their hometown boy LeFevour. Maybe one of these years we'll find someone like that.)

yeah im sure weis is just gonna tell his boss, the owner of the chiefs, his family, and the entire media "to go **** themselves" on draft day.

get real dude.

Yeah when there was talk of Matt Ryan, he sucked. Then, Sanchez sucked. This year, Clausen sucked.

Don't worry, next year Locker, Mallett, and Luck will all suck too.

why not? how would he be telling his FAMILY to **** themselves? wasnt jimmy supposed to be like family? he had plenty of money.


and i was half joking.

people said the would defer to weis on clausen. BUT they now blame it on pioli? just like i said would happen all along. maybe weis just doesnt want to hurt clausens feeelings
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the idea that this came out just to appease Clausen's feelings doesn't make any sense either.

why have a report of internal fighting and heated debates that makes pioli look like an asshole, if it never happened?

first of all, this is the pros now jimmy if you get your feelings hurt **** you.

second, if weis really felt that bad theres alot easier ways to go about it.

pioli doesnt appear to give two shits about what he looks like
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I've still not heard anything from "the source" thats been right on point for years with information. This time of the year there is so much BS and misinformation put out by teams you can't really trust anything, even if the source has been right in the past.

I agree with this. Maybe it's the homer side of me but I think Haley will be successful. I think he was learning on the job. The timing of the Gailey firing was a big mistake and we really didn't have a thought out 'O' after that. I think we beat the Donks at the end convincingly because he finally threw caution to the wind and let our guys play (not discounting the element of surprise, of course).

I say all of this with optimism, but even I hope it's not just fueled by my being a fan.

This is the same source that guaranteed that DJ would NOT be a Chief this season....




I only have 1 source, and that is a blocking TE who says he has been talking to the chiefs and wants to be a chief.

I don't think many teams give their offensive coordinator a lot of say in drafting decisions. Even most head coaches don't get to "pick out the groceries". The GM makes the final call with most input coming from the scouting department.

THANK YOU. funny how tribal left out that it wasnt from "the source"
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Because he's not a pussy bitch?

The local media guy that gave me Weis was a done deal and the Berry pick is 2-0 but the rest of the "stuff" I get thats not from "the source" that is sent to me is full of BS and just flat out wrong info. I should buy shares of a salt mine.

lol have you seen the guy? and like i said i was joking. i just think he wasnt as high on him as some.
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He can have an opinion but he dosen't have all say, that would make him the GM, head coach or owner. There is a pecking order....

I think he WAS. But I also do subscribe to the fact that NE had a comparable record with him at the helm and last year. Neither are end-all arguments in his favor or against. I really think (hope?) the holding on to the ball too long can be coached out of him. By all accounts he is a dedicated student of the game with good work habits. That's quality number one. You might say then why didn't he learn on the bench in NE. My answer would be no matter how much you "study" you cannot implement what you learn in class on the field unless you actually do it too. Much like learning to drive. You may know exactly what you need to do behind the wheel but you will not do them until you spend some time there. His last year in NE was for all intents and purposes his rookie season. Then he had to face offensive upheavals in his second year without having gained an experienced veteran's savvy. We won't really know until way into the next season what we really have in him. If this all sounds TOO optimistic I admit that I'm trying to be a hopeful fan (with fingers crossed). But I bet that you as a Chiefs fan will agree the very best thing that can happen to the Chiefs is for Cassel to actually develop to be the QB that solves our QB problem, leaving our future draft picks free to use on studs in other positions.

so was this from the media guy? or is tw stirrin shit?
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Again, let's hope we won't need any. But I will follow college QBs with keen interest next season.

I'm sure there are many heated discussions in the draft rooms, no different than any other NFL team. But then you make the pick and move on.

I don't think Pioli lead Weis to beileve this whole time if you come here and Jimmy is there when we are on the clock I will give you the chance to talk me into to taking him. I just think that is B.S. I think he told him from the start Cassell is our QB that you will be working with do you want the job?

I think people are just upset about the draft right now, I know I am. But I find it funny how supposedly all this info leaks out ROFL

Like everyone was able to get the chiefs draft info and mocked all these players they were interested in. :D

Haley gets 2 years to make it right with all the changes?

The same reason we didn't take any Notre Dame players. Also the same reason why Pete Carroll didn't take Mays. How would the rest of your players react to that? He'd be a good 'ol boy. If Clausen started, it'd be b/c he's Weis's boy, and Clausen is enough of an idiot(not judging him too much, but Brady Quinn had better character and for some reason got his face smashed in) to say the wrong thing when accused of it. It'd be problematic in the locker room.

This.

If anything I think it would be the other way around. Let's face it, there WERE increasing revelations of Clausen's alleged immaturity.

Because it's fun.

Locker and who else? Luck? Name some so I can start watching them.

Locker
Luck
Mallett
Gabbert (maybe)

Oh I guess I didn't catch your sarcasm, DBOSHO. My bad.

If those players were "first round talent"...why were 31 other teams foolish enough to pass on them?

The fact that the Chiefs, with Weis passed on them should tell you something. They know more than we do.

The fact is, we can all piss and moan about players, but I guarantee there were players last year, and the year before and the year before that fans were upset about being passed on, that have flamed out.

"I can't throw'em and catch'em too!":)

Thanks DN. Right now I don't have much more info on them other than Locker locks on his receivers, Mallett sports a Mullet, Luck might bring us some and Gabbert sounds too French to be a tough minded QB. So based on those deep evaluations, Luck is my front-runner.;)

;)

All would be upgrades to what we have. Gabbert is my front-runner, and I'll be pimping his name incessantly throughout the next calendar year (assuming he declares), but I'd be thrilled to draft any of the four.

Well Pioli and Haley have now completely hitched themselves to Cassel. Cassel better prove to be a franchise QB or Pioli is going to look like a ****ing moron. It's just to bad that Haley will probably take the heat if Cassel doesn't perform.

To a point... but if Cassel bombs this year they can just dump him. And next year's QB class is better than this one.

And we're one year behind.....again. If we go 7-9 (which is possible with our shitty schedule)....then we're going to have to trade up for a QB.

And that's the right strategy for were we are now.

Well, at least we know that Pioli is capable of trading up.