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DaWolf 04-26-2010 09:56 AM

Scott Pioli one on one with Michael Coleman...
 
http://www.kctv5.com/video/23264718/

Apologize if re-post, didn't see it.

Also, a look inside the Chiefs draft room video:

http://www.kctv5.com/video/23264414/

CaliforniaChief 04-26-2010 10:10 AM

Thanks for posting! I thought it should be noted that he did recognize the upcoming veterans available now that teams are looking at their teams (hopefully Henderson and others).

L.A. Chieffan 04-26-2010 10:15 AM

So, Weis and Crennel weren't in the war room?

The Franchise 04-26-2010 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by L.A.Chieffan (Post 6715575)
So, Weis and Crennel weren't in the war room?

That's the way it looked to me.

InChiefsHeaven 04-26-2010 10:19 AM

I have a friend who said that during the draft party in KC, Romeo Crennell was there at the party...not in the war room.

Goldmember 04-26-2010 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by L.A.Chieffan (Post 6715575)
So, Weis and Crennel weren't in the war room?

Weis wouldn't stop stomping his feet, holding his breath and spinning around on the floor because they wouldn't draft Clausen so they kicked him out.

kepp 04-26-2010 10:21 AM

They were asleep during round 2, weren't they?

L.A. Chieffan 04-26-2010 10:23 AM

Well how can it be a referendum on Clausen that even his own H/C last year wouldn't draft him this year if he actually had no input in the decision?

ChiefMojo 04-26-2010 10:24 AM

Thanks for sharing. It is known in some franchises only very few are allowed in the war room. Basically just Hunt, Pioli, Haley, and player personnel/scouts.

Goldmember 04-26-2010 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by InChiefsHell (Post 6715586)
I have a friend who said that during the draft party in KC, Romeo Crennell was there at the party...not in the war room.

He was there for the food and free drinks

kepp 04-26-2010 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiefMojo (Post 6715603)
Thanks for sharing. It is known in some franchises only very few are allowed in the war room. Basically just Hunt, Pioli, Haley, and player personnel/scouts.

It seems really odd to me that the coordinators wouldn't be there.

Reerun_KC 04-26-2010 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by kepp (Post 6715593)
They were asleep during round 2, weren't they?

If they get playmakers in round 2 every year by sleeping...

Then let them sleep. They rocked the house.

OnTheWarpath15 04-26-2010 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by L.A.Chieffan (Post 6715575)
So, Weis and Crennel weren't in the war room?

Looks like Kiper nailed it.

L.A. Chieffan 04-26-2010 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6715644)
Looks like Kiper nailed it.

People keep using the excuse that "even Weis didn't want Clausen, so what does that tell you?"

I think you can throw that one out the window.

SAUTO 04-26-2010 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by L.A.Chieffan (Post 6715654)
People keep using the excuse that "even Weis didn't want Clausen, so what does that tell you?"

I think you can throw that one out the window.

so you think they never talked about it before the draft?:rolleyes:

The Bad Guy 04-26-2010 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6715644)
Looks like Kiper nailed it.

So because they weren't in the room means they had no input? That's a pretty steep generalization.

OnTheWarpath15 04-26-2010 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by L.A.Chieffan (Post 6715654)
People keep using the excuse that "even Weis didn't want Clausen, so what does that tell you?"

I think you can throw that one out the window.

You'll get people that argue that they talked about prospects before the draft, so they still had input.

Which is MUCH different than being in the room, seeing someone fall that is a huge value pick, and not being able to speak up and say, "Never thought he'd be there, I'd rather have him."

OnTheWarpath15 04-26-2010 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 6715665)
So because they weren't in the room means they had no input? That's a pretty steep generalization.

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6715668)
You'll get people that argue that they talked about prospects before the draft, so they still had input.

Which is MUCH different than being in the room, seeing someone fall that is a huge value pick, and not being able to speak up and say, "Never thought he'd be there, I'd rather have him."

Good timing.

L.A. Chieffan 04-26-2010 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 6715661)
so you think they never talked about it before the draft?:rolleyes:

I bet the conversation of IF Clausen fell into the their laps in the second round came up Weis wouldve said go for it.

Pioli cant admit he ****ed up on Cassel is really all it comes down to. Is what it is and now Chiefs fans have to suffer for at least 2 to 3 more years.

Its OK.

SenselessChiefsFan 04-26-2010 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 6715581)
That's the way it looked to me.

Not in there. This is not uncommon. Also, the board is set prior to the draft. Not during the draft. So, they have all their input before the board is even set.

DaWolf 04-26-2010 10:47 AM

They have separate meetings prior to the draft with the coaches to get their thoughts and views on players. If I were running a team I would not want them in the war room. Pioli alluded to this prior to the draft. They want to enter the war room with a solid idea of who they want and where they want them. He said that the coaches and scouts will give their input and fight for the guys they believe in prior to draft day. Once draft day hits, they want to be set with their targets and scenarios, it's going to be too late for a guy to all of a sudden start campaigning for a player after the draft starts. All of that should be done beforehand...

SenselessChiefsFan 04-26-2010 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6715668)
You'll get people that argue that they talked about prospects before the draft, so they still had input.

Which is MUCH different than being in the room, seeing someone fall that is a huge value pick, and not being able to speak up and say, "Never thought he'd be there, I'd rather have him."

You don't think they prepare for guys falling? Seriously. Do you think that? If nothing else they stack their board so that if there is someone falling, they can TRADE UP and get a player.

Now, the other thing here is, in regards to Clausen and Tate.... Between round 1 and round 2, there was a huge break. Do you think that Weis and Pioli and Crennel didn't chat a little about the draft?

I am sure that Pioli is an egotistical jerk that has to have everything his way... and I am sure that is why Crennel and Weis both came back to work for him despite having other opportunities. That makes so much sense.

OnTheWarpath15 04-26-2010 10:49 AM

So when a scenario they didn't expect is staring them in the face, no one is there to keep Pioli from taking a KR.

SenselessChiefsFan 04-26-2010 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by DaWolf (Post 6715687)
They have separate meetings prior to the draft with the coaches to get their thoughts and views on players. If I were running a team I would not want them in the war room. Pioli alluded to this prior to the draft. They want to enter the war room with a solid idea of who they want and where they want them. He said that the coaches and scouts will give their input and fight for the guys they believe in prior to draft day. Once draft day hits, they want to be set with their targets and scenarios, it's going to be too late for a guy to all of a sudden start campaigning for a player after the draft starts. All of that should be done beforehand...

How can you say this? I mean, a logical well reasoned explanation? No way, it is because Pioli is an egotistical jerk and doesn't listen to anyone else, nor does he care. I mean, that is why Weis and Crennel came to work for him.

SenselessChiefsFan 04-26-2010 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6715693)
So when a scenario they didn't expect is staring them in the face, no one is there to keep Pioli from taking a KR.

Yep... I am sure that they were totally caught off guard with the talent that was available there.... they were so confused.

Arenas is a good kick returner AND a good corner. Two for one combo.

The Bad Guy 04-26-2010 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6715693)
So when a scenario they didn't expect is staring them in the face, no one is there to keep Pioli from taking a KR.

How do you know they didn't expect that scenario? If mockers were accurately predicting his free fall, why couldn't NFL teams?

You're right though - McCluster is just a KR.

JimNasium 04-26-2010 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6715693)
So when a scenario they didn't expect is staring them in the face, no one is there to keep Pioli from taking a KR.

Aren't you the genious (CPS) that was convinced that Ashleigh Lelie was the second coming of Jerry Rice and that DJ was a can't miss All-Pro? Honestly, your draft takes carry very little credibility with me.
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DaWolf 04-26-2010 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6715668)
You'll get people that argue that they talked about prospects before the draft, so they still had input.

Which is MUCH different than being in the room, seeing someone fall that is a huge value pick, and not being able to speak up and say, "Never thought he'd be there, I'd rather have him."

At that point it becomes the decision of the HC and GM, not the OC. Weis knew where they had Clausen graded and on their board and priority list. He also would have had an entire evening of post first day draft to give his input. They went into that second day knowing full well that Clausen would likely be there at 2A.

The question is whether Weis looked at it and said "Cassel is not a QB I'm going to be able to do anything with, and Croyle is useless, so let's get Clausen," or "Well, we really need some more explosiveness on offense, and I like this kid McCluster. You get me some offensive tools, and I'll fix your QB issue."

Certainly Weis could have been overruled, but my guess is that in them taking McCluster and moving up to get Moeaki, yet not moving up to get Clausen at 2b, the priority was more along the lines of getting Weis tools to work with on offense rather than another QB...

OnTheWarpath15 04-26-2010 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by DaWolf (Post 6715734)
Certainly Weis could have been overruled, but my guess is that in them taking McCluster and moving up to get Moeaki, yet not moving up to get Clausen at 2b, the priority was more along the lines of getting Weis tools to work with on offense rather than another QB...

I think that guess is 100% correct, but only because Pioli told Weis he had to work with Cassel.

At that point, of course Weis is going to want players that will help turn chicken shit into chicken salad.

OnTheWarpath15 04-26-2010 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by JimNasium (Post 6715730)
Aren't you the genious (CPS) that was convinced that Ashleigh Lelie was the second coming of Jerry Rice and that DJ was a can't miss All-Pro? Honestly, your draft takes carry very little credibility with me.
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You must have me confused with someone else.

Here are the four posts connecting me to Ashley Lelie in any way, shape or form. Two of them are responses to someone who mentioned Lelie.

And I wasn't a member of this forum when DJ was drafted, not have I ever pimped him as an All-Pro, to my recollection.

Sorry to disappoint.

OnTheWarpath15 04-26-2010 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 6715725)
How do you know they didn't expect that scenario? If mockers were accurately predicting his free fall, why couldn't NFL teams?

You're right though - McCluster is just a KR.

You know I was talking about Arenas, why even go there?

SAUTO 04-26-2010 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan (Post 6715691)
You don't think they prepare for guys falling? Seriously. Do you think that? If nothing else they stack their board so that if there is someone falling, they can TRADE UP and get a player.

Now, the other thing here is, in regards to Clausen and Tate.... Between round 1 and round 2, there was a huge break. Do you think that Weis and Pioli and Crennel didn't chat a little about the draft?

I am sure that Pioli is an egotistical jerk that has to have everything his way... and I am sure that is why Crennel and Weis both came back to work for him despite having other opportunities. That makes so much sense.

i'll put money that pioli locked himself in the room all by himself all night thursday and all day friday so weis couldnt talk him into clausen

DaWolf 04-26-2010 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6715745)
I think that guess is 100% correct, but only because Pioli told Weis he had to work with Cassel.

At that point, of course Weis is going to want players that will help turn chicken shit into chicken salad.

I think that's a safe bet. My guess is that Weis would certainly have not minded drafting Clausen, but mainly because he's never worked with Cassel or Croyle before. So essentially, he's having to trust Haley on this since Haley has coached them both for a year. If I were an OC going to a team, I certainly would prefer having a QB around that I had worked with for three years and knew inside out. Of course that's probably why McDaniels and Pioli both wanted Cassel last year too...

Molitoth 04-26-2010 11:36 AM

Nice vids.

Anyong Bluth 04-26-2010 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by L.A.Chieffan (Post 6715575)
So, Weis and Crennel weren't in the war room?

Weis was at Best Buy, using the Magnolia room & all the tv's to follow every channel covering the draft as his war room, & Scott sent Romeo on a beer run to get more Coors light..


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