Are You Smarter Than A Pioli? -2010
 

Place the picks you would have taken with the Chiefs picks based on who was available at the time. This should be a fun thread to bump in a year or two to see how we would have done. No trades, you just pick from the list of players available when the Chiefs picked.


1. Eric Berry
2A. Jimmy Clasen
2 B. Golden Tate
3A. Jon Asamoah
3B Dennis Pita
5A Cam Thomas
5B Matt Tentant

I'm going to do three of them. One with Clausen and one without. I think Clausen is a franchise QB but I know people will just chalk it up as me being a Notre Dame fan.

With Clausen:

1. Eric Berry
2a. Jimmy Clausen
2b. Sean Lee
3a. Jon Asamoah
3b. Marshawn Gilyard
5a. Cam Thomas
5b. Matt Tennant

Without Clausen:

1. Eric Berry
2a. Sergio Kindle
2b. Golden Tate
3a. Jon Asamoah
3b. Bruce Campbell
5a. Cam Thomas
5b. Matt Tennant

and a 3rd without the trade for Moeaki (because I'm bored as ****).

1. Eric Berry
2a. Sergio Kindle
2b. Golden Tate
3. Jon Asamoah
4. Jason Fox
5a. Cam Thomas
5b. Matt Tennant
5c. John Skelton

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I agree with Pestilience...we should proceed as if the trade for the TE had not occurred, because I think that move was...well...unconventional.

I'll stick to the actual picks we ended up with, except for one change - if we were going to trade back into the 3rd, I would have traded higher and gave up our 5a pick instead of moving up 10 or so picks and using 5c to do so.

With that said, I'm torn on two options:

1. Eric Berry - FS

2a. Sergio Kindle - OLB

2b. Terrence Cody - NT

3a. Jon Asomoah - OG

3b. Donald Butler - ILB

5a. Chris Scott - RT

5b. Matt Tennant - C


OR


1. Eric Berry - FS

2a. Sergio Kindle - OLB

2b. Sean Lee - ILB

3a. Jon Asomoah - OG

3b. Mardy Gilyard - WR

5a. Chris Scott - RT

5b. Matt Tennant - C



I think I like the 2nd option better, because we can get a NT late or in FA, our LB corp is seriously upgraded, as is the entire right side of the OL, and the WR3/KR is taken care of with one pick instead of two.

It's easy for me to sit here and say I would take Berry, but I didn't think Clausen was going to fall into the 2nd. So I'm not going to taint it with hindsight.

1. Jimmy Clausen - Potential franchise QB.
2. Terrence Cody - Run stuffing NT.
2. Golden Tate - Perfect slot WR, perfect fit with OC and QB.
3. Morgan Burnett - Gotta get a safety who doesn't run a 4.7
4. Darryl Sharpton (finally someone from the U) - Corey Mays goes to the bench.
5. Perrish Cox - He'l fight for the nickel CB job. Freak athlete.
5. Mitch Petrus - Competition at guard. Strong as an ox.
5. Cam Thomas - might as well get some depth and/or hedge your NT bet.
6. Sam Young - watch him beat out O'Failaghan.

In a perfect world, where I know Clausen is dropping.

1. Eric Berry
2. Jimmy Clausen
2. Terrence Cody
3. Donald Butler - an even better replacement for Mays.
4. Bruce Campbell - Could have really sweet bookends with he and Albert. I might take Jacoby Ford here, too.
5. Perrish Cox
5. Mitch Petrus
5. Cam Thomas
6. Sam Young

1. Okung (OT)
2. Taylor Mays (I noticed no trades were allowed in this thread, otherwise I would take seattle's deal with the broncos)
2b. Golden Tate (WR)
3a Asomoah (G)
3b Everson Griffin (DE)
5a Cam Thomas (DT)
5b Larry Asante

Smarter than Pioli? Sure, if were talking aviation...

But when it comes to the draft and running and NFL franchise, seeing how is doing it and were just message board GM's... I would say he trumps us every single time....

I agree, it's just a thread to come back to and see what posters said for this draft, so when they are saying player A will be a bust or player B will be a pro bowler we can check their track record.

Herm did too then.

And boom goes the dynamite.

Where are you getting a 6th round pick from?

He gets a comp pick for being a message board GM.

1. Eric Berry
2a. Taylor Mays
2b. Terrence Cody
3. Asamoah
4. (No Trade) Bruce Campbell
5a. LeFevour
5b. Rolle

3 safeties?

ROFL

Yea if you want Mays you can't take Rolle.

Maybe he wants to run a new type of defense with 3 safety's? Let's call is the quarter :)

The Chiefs had a 6th round pick before they traded it....I thought they traded it during the draft I guess.

By the way, if any of you pass on an inside linebacker, you are as dumb as PeeHoley.

Wait.

Can we proceed as though the whole ill-fated Matt Cassel trade never occured?

Because as someone that is pretty sure I'm smarter than Scott Pioli and his band of merry yes men, Matt ****ing Cassel would've never stolen a dime of my money or even been allowed to change the tires on the team bus.

Personnel departments across the NFL are brimming with people who have little talent for it. Sometimes these people make it to high positions, largely on account of luck and being associated with the right people. Acquring a title in the personnel department for an NFL franchise doesn't require experience playing football and doesn't require experience coaching football. All it requires is luck meeting/knowing the right people and being in the right place. Couple that with the fact that player procurement is an inexact science and there is plenty of room for failure. The great thing about it is selections can be accurately judged rightly or wrongly one way or the other over time. Four or 5 years from now we can look back on this thread and it'll leave no doubt as to how much better or worse Pioli is than some random internet guy. Do that every year for 4 or 5 years straight and it will determine Piolis competence one way or the other.

Choosing only from the players available at the time of the pick, without hindsight of where players would exactly go, and with no trades:

1.) Eric Berry, S, Tennessee
2a.) Jimmy Clausen, QB, Notre Dame
2b.) Terrance Cody, DT, Alabama
3.) Donald Butler, ILB, Washington
4.) Akwasi Owusu-Ansah, CB (and KR), Indiana (PA)
5a.) Matt Tennant, C, Boston College
5b.) Tony Washington, OT, Abielene Christian (I know he ended up undrafted. But I would have taken him here, TBH)
5c.) Arthur Moats, OLB, James Madison

More OL and small school than I anticipated. Still, though, I got 5 players who would start on day 1, 2 others that would earn a starting job quickly (Clausen, Owusu-Ansah), and a situational pass-rusher. If I could have traded up at certain points for Eric Norwood or a WR like Andre Roberts than I would have.

I'm glad people are seeing the greatness that will be Donald Butler.

Daniel Te'o-Nesheim could turn some heads as well. In fact, I think he could be the next big time DE drafted in later rounds.

What's going to be really awesome....is that we'll get to see him twice a year when he is starting for the Chargers.

:facepalm:

1. Clausen
2. Mays
2. Tate
3. Griffen
4. Campbell
5. Cam Thomas
5. Matt Tennant
5. Lindsey Witten

Yeah, I don't even get to root for him anymore.

Win!

Also Cam Thomas just falls into San Diego's lap, why is it some coincidence that good teams just have guys fall right to them?

It's funny to me that all these guys that "obviously" suck were drafted by teams who historically make great defensive selections.

Dude... I have to see Brady Quinn and Eric Olsen play for the Broncos.

That's way ****ing worse than the Chargers IMO. I don't care how much they've dominated the division, until they cost us something great, I'll never hate them with the same passion.

And the Broncos have Ryan Harris as their RT. God I hate the ****ing Broncos.

They're the best team in the history of the NFL to lose 6 of their last 7. /KnowMo

I'm going to bounce off of my draft last year for this year.

2009
http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...57&postcount=3
1. Mark Sanchez
2. Rey Maualuga
3. Jarron Gilbert
4. Jonathan Lugis
5. Duke Robinson
6. James Davis
7. Mike Mickens
7. Daryl Beckwith
7. Roger Allen

2010
1. Eric Berry, S, Tennessee
2. Sergio Kindle, OLB, Texas
2. Terrence Cody, NT, Alabama
3. Jon Asamoah, G, Illinois
4. Bruce Campbell, T, Maryland
5. Perrish Cox, CB/KR, Oklahoma State
5. Cameron Sheffield, OLB, Troy
5. Anthony McCoy, TE, USC

Potential Starting Lineup (of course I would sign some stop gap guys to be starters)
WR Chambers
LT Albert
LG Robinson
C Lugis
RG Asamoah
RT Campbell
WR Bowe
TE Cottam/McCoy
QB Sanchez
RB Charles
FB Whoever

DE Gilbert
NT Cody
DE Dorsey
LB Hali
LB Maualuga
LB Johnson
LB Kindle
CB Flowers
CB Carr
SS Pollard
FS Berry

That was my switch to the 3-4 model now if we stayed in the 4-3 my 2nd round picks would have changed to:
2. Carlos Dunlap
2. Sean Lee

DE Hali
DT Gilbert
DT Dorsey
DE Dunlap
LB Johnson
LB Maualuga
LB Lee
CB Flowers
CB Carr
SS Pollard
FS Berry

Of course I probally don't trade Tank Tyler if we are in the 4-3 so McCoy gets bumped up into Sheffield's spot.

Wait...you took Campbell in the 1st round...but you'd pass on him in the 2nd twice and the 3rd once?

???

Mays and Tate are both better values for the Chiefs than Bruce Campbell. Griffen is, too.

my first version includes a trade because i was advocating for it before the draft...instead of trading up for a broken TE, we use a 4th to trade up for Hughes, a very realistic scenario as he was there for the taking

1. Berry
2a. Hughes (at this point we two immediate playmakers at two levels of our defense)
2b. Tate
3. Asamoah (i like the pick)
4. traded
5a. Cam Thomas
5b. Tennant
5c. Anthony McCoy

now playing by the rules

1. Berry
2a. Clausen
2b. Tate
3.Asamoah
4. Norwood (yeah, a bit of a reach but I'm convinced he will be a solid pro)
5a. Cam Thomas
5b. Anthony McCoy


i really not understand not taking a flyer on thomas in the 5th....

We should sticky this. It definitely should NOT get lost.

NT,LB,NT,LB,WR,WR,OL,OL,OL,OL

Done.

Since it's stickied, I'll post one later.

I posted my 2009 in that as well. Lets just how good/bad we are after a few years.

If I'm being honest:

1. Berry (S)
2. Tate (WR)
2b. Brown (RT)
3. Butler (ILB)
4. Gibson (OLB)
5a. Cam Thomas (NT)
5b. Chris Scott(T/G)
5c. Tony Pike (QB)

There was a block of prospects mid 4th that I liked. I probably would have given up two 5s to try move up.

1. Russell Okung, OT; OSU
2. Nate Allen, FS; SF
2. Brandon Spikes, MLB; UF
3. Damian Williams, WR; USC
4. Dennis Pitta, TE; BYU
5. Cam Thomas, DT; NC
5. Matt Tennant, C; BC
5. Chris Scott, OT; UT

Swap out the first three picks with Berry, Kindle and Lee, or Berry, Washington and Lee and I'd be happy with it as well.

They actually did move up in the 5th to get him. I was listening to an interview with Norv Turner yesterday and he said they actually thought about moving up to get him in the 4th.

1. Eric Berry
2. Jimmy Clausen
2. Golden Tate
3. Jon Asamoah
4. Bruce Campbell
5. Perrish Cox
5. Cam Thomas
5. Jamar Chaney

I'm not a draftnik, but are you referring to the Hughes who was taken in the late 1st by the Colts? If so, he's not available at 2a.

He said he wanted to use a 4th to trade up to get him. He just listed it as 2a.

reread my post...it's a trade scenario...

You are really ****ing stupid.

Sorry, missed that.

No worries. It happens.

ROFL

Well you got me there.... Rep!

Random note in a random thread -- Belichick mentioned in a radio interview today that two guys he took late in this year's draft (a 6 and a 7) were rated higher than late fourth round picks he made in the 2007 draft, "for example".

Clearly this draft was MUCH deeper than some prior drafts, and 2007 in particular, at least according to the Pats grading system.

That's why many of us have said that we need more than the normal "2.5" starters out of this draft.

Another random note -- BB also mentioned, in a different interview, that despite a few stars such as Ted Washington, Ricky Watters and (especially) Brett Favre, the 1991 draft was probably one of the weakest in NFL history.

http://football.about.com/od/nfldraf...raftresult.htm

So do the Patriots.

I'm pretty pleased with the Pats draft. Certainly having 5 picks in the first three rounds helps quite a bit. Flipping a late 3 into a 2, probably a mid-2, in 2011 was a nice bonus since we ended up drafting 12 players already and likely can't use them all regardless.

But I'm not a draftnik so I can't speak to teh specifics of the players we took. I just like the positions filled, the draft strategy, and the profiles I've read of the players we did take.

I think the Patriots did a very good job of addressing needs in this draft, even if I didn't necessarily agree with some of the players that they took.

I had them at one point for two straight years in the mock and added a punter both times. Mesko will really help you guys out in the field position game, which will be important.

The one thing I'm most critical of is Belichick's tunnel vision wrt: Florida players. I know that he has a close relationship with Meyer, but we've seen firsthand the dangers of a pro coach taking the advice of a college coach and selecting his players b/c of that close relationship.

They can always be converted to corners. /Carl

I'm glad you're honest about it. You know you hated that guy much more furiously than anyone here is on Pioli.

We're all entitled to our opinions. I don't hate Pioli. I just think he's ****ing up, and wasting time. If it ultimately leads to a Super Bowl I'll jump in line first to fellate him.

I'd love to snag Jimmy in the 2nd, but if I'm going to be honest I have to take him at 5. He's a franchise QB in my eyes and I would not have let him go with Matt Cassel as my starter. So I can't win this draft 3 years later when it's crystal clear that Eric Berry could be a Hall of Famer. I'm okay with that though. I think a franchise QB is the most important position on the field and I'll live with the decision.

1. Jimmy Clausen
2a. Taylor Mays
2b. Golden Tate
3a. Jon Asomoah
3b. Jimmy Graham
5a. Cam Thomas
5b. Selvish Capers

1. Eric Berry
2. Jimmy Clausen
2. Golden Tate
3. Everson Griffen
4. Darryl Sharpton
5. Cam Thomas
5. Matt Tennant
5. Chris Scott

Yes. Our punting situation has wavered between pathetic and mediocre for pretty much the entirety of BB's career with the Patriots. I'm glad he finally found a punter he liked, and I hope he's everything he seems like.

I've seen hits and misses with those. Chad Jackson was a complete whiff, but Jarvis Green as a 4th out of LSU was a big hit.

At first I thought it was pretty weird, but reading the write ups, they seem like they were in line with their draft position expectation. Heck, half you guys on this board wanted the Chiefs to take Spikes before the Pats got him in the 2nd. :D

And it's clear now that Hernandez, our 4th round pick, slid waaay down because of multiple failed marijuana tests. He passed at the combine, however, and if Meyer vouches for him....

The key really is Cunningham. He's the riskiest pick (due to the always-difficult conversion from DE to OLB), and yet the one we most need to be successful.

Eh, with those three safeties, I would run a 3-4/nickel hybrid. All three safeties excel in run support, two of them can actually cover, and with those three, DJ, and Hali, you would never know where the blitz was coming from. I want a defense that attacks, attacks, attacks dictating the game to the offense, and I think those three safeties in particular allow you to get really creative with your defense. It is now a pass happy league and I think defenses need to evolve and recognize that fact.

Everyone knows the last 2 years Pioli has wanted to trade down. Evidently he's too self conscious about getting ripped, but his former BF buddies Belichik and McDouche show how it's easily done. They're not taking full trade value in a lot of their trades either. To illustrate what was easily possible I'm gonna go real conservative and demonstrate a true fire sale. I'm gonna trade from #5 all the way down to #24 the spot Denver traded down to - and instead of realistic trade value I'm only gonna give him the same picks Denver acquired moving down from where they did at 13, giving us the #24 pick, 2 third rounders, and a 4th

1- Dez White- WR
2- Nate Allen- FS
2- Jason Worilds- OLB
3- Asomaoah- G
3- D. Butler- ILB
3- Moeaki- TE
4- Bruce Campbell T
4- Owusu-Ansah CB
5- Cam Thomas DT
5- Anthony Dixon RB


What's really funny is the total cost of that draft in contract dollars would be about half as much as either this year or last years draft.

Trading down from teh top 5 picks is difficult and only happens when there is a franchise QB or running back. The Patriots are always picking mid first round and back making it MUCH easier to trade down, than trading a top 5 pick. Trading back just to trade back does not make sense, it has to come with value. If the Chiefs were willing to trade the number 5 pick this year straight across for a number 2 they could have had plenty of trade offers. It doesn't work that way.

Berry
Clausen
Tate
Asamough
Moeaki
Tennant
Rolle

without knowing clausen would fall (and Im ok with the trade for Moeaki, so I kept in for both)

Clausen
Tate
Cody
Asamough
Moeaki
Tennant
Rolle

Id also like to say that this is total revisionist theory because some of those players I chose are going into situations that are far better than ours is presently, so they will do better than they would here IMO. For example, I could see Cody busting here, but can thrive in Baltimore.

I would think a guy whose job is to be fat would thrive in KC.

1. Berry
2.a Clausen
2.b Cody
3. Asamough
4. Campbell
5.a Tennant
5.b Mr Sheffield
5.c Anthony McCoy

With this draft both our lines should be set for the next 10 years and on top of that we pick up 2 top prospects in Berry and Clausen..

I don't have anything against the Chiefs' 2nd round picks, but I have to admit that I didn't really know much about Dexter McCluster before the Chiefs took him. Now that it's over, I'm excited about the Chiefs' picks. Like many here on Chiefsplanet though, going into the 2nd round I was looking for a pass rusher and either a NT or an ILB so I'll go that route here.


1. Eric Berry
2A. Koa Misi
2B. Sean Lee
3A. Jon Asamoah
3B. Tony Moeaki
5A. Kendrick Lewis
5B. Jonathan Dwyer

So you think Philly would give up 2 third rounders to trade up to 12, but not the same 2 third rounders to trade up to 5? No way. Pioli has said they had offers on the table. There are always deals available what throws a wrench into things is the totally unrealistic value of top 5 picks on the draft trade value chart and teams obsession with it. My intention was to be real conservative and show the type of draft/value you coulda had overall even when taking a trade that was approximately half of the supposed value of that chart. Even a #2 coulda netted the same type of result becuase you coudl then move that #2 for a lower 2 and an extra 3 and the end result woulda been the same.

In my perfect world.....

1. FS Eric Berry
2. QB Jimmy Clausen
2. WR Golden Tate
3. OG Jon Asomoah
3. WR Mardy Gilyard (trade QB Matt Cassel to Denver)
4. OT Bruce Campbell
5. OL Chris Scott
5. NT Cam Thomas
5. OLB George Selvie

UDFA
WR Denario Alexander
QB Jevan Snead
CB Donovan Warren
RB Lagarrett Blount

FA
MLB Karlos Dansby
OG Ryan Lilja
OC Casey Weigmann
NT John Henderson
RB Thomas Jones

Starting Day Roster
QB - Clausen
RB - Charles
WR - Bowe
WR - Chambers
WR - Tate
LT - Albert
LG - Waters
OC - Weigmann
RG - Lilja
RT - Campbell

LDE - Jackson
NT - Henderson
RDE - Dorsey
LOLB - Selvie
LILB - D.Johnson
RILB - Dansby
ROLB - Hali
CB - Flowers
CB - Carr
FS - Berry
SS - Page

KR/PR - Gilyard
K - Succop
P - Colquitt

Just for shits and giggles, heres a hawkeye homer one (5b and 5c are with other schools because I ran out of draftable Hawkeyes):

1) Bulaga (trade back and add a future first)
2a) Angerer
2b) Spivey
3) Moeaki
4) Edds
5a) Calloway
5b) Tennant
5c) Rolle

Every day I wake up, and every instant I draw breath.

I saw people taking Butler with 3b but he was gone by that pick, that's the only reason I didn't take him. Everyone should know by now I was all over that guy.

It should read "every instance I draw breath."

Instant makes no sense. Just like the Chiefs trading up for Moeaki.

lol zing

"Instant" makes sense.