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Sweet Daddy Hate 05-10-2010 01:05 PM

Broncos | Mcdaniels Compares Tebow To Brady
 
SLOW NEWS DAY? LET'S REPOST!!!!:D

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♦ Woody Paige of The Denver Post sat down with Broncos coach Josh McDaniels, and the former Patriots assistant said Tim Tebow has the “It” factor, similar to Tom Brady. Said McDaniels: “When Tom came to us in 2001, I wasn’t on the offensive side of the ball, but I can remember the feeling in the building was that he had something that nobody else had … and how strongly he felt that ultimately he would be a great player. It was obviously apparent in subsequent seasons.

“That confidence affects everybody,” McDaniels added. “We could see it last week at rookie camp. There were a bunch of rookies out there with no confidence, except [Tebow]. He’s got such confidence that he will just not let himself fail.”
(Sung to the tune of "London Bridge")

R-o-R just pissed him-self,
pissed him-self,
pissed him-self.

R-o-R just pissed him-self,
Cuz-he's laugh-ing...
:D

BossChief 05-10-2010 01:13 PM

“We could see it last week at rookie camp. There were a bunch of rookies out there with no confidence"

hahahah

The Bad Guy 05-10-2010 01:16 PM

He has to say all of this. It's his ass on the line when Tebow bombs.

Sweet Daddy Hate 05-10-2010 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 6749135)
“We could see it last week at rookie camp. There were a bunch of rookies out there with no confidence"

hahahah

***"Official Cringing KnowMo Thread"***? :D

CrazyPhuD 05-10-2010 01:17 PM

All the confidence in the world still can't help you hit the broad side of a barn with a football.

Sweet Daddy Hate 05-10-2010 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 6749143)
He has to say all of this. It's his ass on the line when Tebow bombs.

Didn't they "mistakenly" draft him? Some manuver that bit them in the ass board-wise?

Sofa King 05-10-2010 01:19 PM

before this thread goes any further, Tebow would like us to bow our heads...

Sweet Daddy Hate 05-10-2010 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Sofa King (Post 6749153)
before this thread goes any further, Tebow would like us to bow our heads...

LMAO

CoMoChief 05-10-2010 01:21 PM

I'd rather take Akili Smith over Tim Tebow.

BossChief 05-10-2010 01:21 PM

I laughed so hard when I read that article about the guy at the combine telling him to STFU about all the religion shit.

It was also historic when everyone in the draft thread was calling for Denver to draft him, then they traded up to do just that! Historic.

I hope he starts week one.

Sweet Daddy Hate 05-10-2010 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 6749169)
I laughed so hard when I read that article about the guy at the combine telling him to STFU about all the religion shit.

I hope he starts week one.

"But...but..."

STFU, kid! LMAO

On another note:

I like the Moeaki kid, and I hope he works out.

KCUnited 05-10-2010 01:27 PM

Tebow compares Mcdaniels to an Aveeno filled sock between 2 couch cushions.

DaneMcCloud 05-10-2010 01:27 PM

All of the people bashing Tebow had better hope that he doesn't turn out because quite frankly, I wouldn't bet against him.

He's a great athlete, has an incredible work ethic and is being coached by a guy that got a very good 2008 performance out of Matt Cassel.

If he can do that with Cassel and his limited arm strength, decision making, athleticism and lack of leadership, it could be downright scary if he actually hits on Tebow.

Reerun_KC 05-10-2010 01:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sofa King (Post 6749153)
before this thread goes any further, Tebow would like us to bow our heads...

Okay, took a moment...

Point is?

Quesadilla Joe 05-10-2010 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 6749169)
I laughed so hard when I read that article about the guy at the combine telling him to STFU about all the religion shit.

It was also historic when everyone in the draft thread was calling for Denver to draft him, then they traded up to do just that! Historic.

I hope he starts week one.

Too bad that didn't happen.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...rlic-incident/
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So I had a telephone conversation today with quarterback Tim Tebow.

Ever heard of him?

He reached out, via agent Jimmy Sexton, in response to Tuesday night's story regarding the incident during the Wonderlic testing at the Scouting Combine. As a league source told us, Tebow said something in the testing room about saying a prayer. And then another player said something in response. And then some of the other players laughed.

But Tebow says it didn't happen.

"Not one single word of it is true," Tebow told me.

Tebow has a very genuine and disarming way about him. There's an innocence and kindness in his voice that conflicts with the image of a highly successful college quarterback, who was arguably one of the best college football players of all time.

He was nevertheless firm and resolute in his denial.

"One of the number one things for me is being someone of character and when I say something people can take it to the bank," Tebow said. "That story is absolutely not true."

Tebow then named several of the other players who were in the room, and he invited me to check his version with each of them.

Tebow explained that he said nothing to the group of roughly 100 players, and he said that he spoke only to BYU quarterback Max Hall.

Oh, and REPOST

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...&postcount=842

CoMoChief 05-10-2010 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC (Post 6749207)
Okay, took a moment...

Point is?

Religion is a joke. And so is Tebow.

BossChief 05-10-2010 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by CoMoChief (Post 6749219)
Religion is a joke. And so is Tebow.

you should know by now that you should be supporting tebow.

KnowMo will quote this post forever if he succeeds.

STFU

Reerun_KC 05-10-2010 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by CoMoChief (Post 6749219)
Religion is a joke. And so is Tebow.

:shake:


To each is their own.....

Bwana 05-10-2010 01:59 PM

ROFL

the Talking Can 05-10-2010 02:01 PM

i would give anything for teblow to start this year....


the idea that someone is going to be a great QB - in spite of having actual skills so bad they had to be trashed AFTER college - based on 'jesus' and 'want to' is mind blowing...


i will pray every night for him to crash and burn...

CoMoChief 05-10-2010 02:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 6749235)
you should know by now that you should be supporting tebow.

KnowMo will quote this post forever if he succeeds.

STFU

I'm one of about 50millions people thinking this guy's going to fail miserably in the NFL as a behind center/pocket passing QB. If he proves me and millions of people wrong, then good for him. He's still America's #1 overhyped college player ever.

BossChief 05-10-2010 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by KnowMo2724 (Post 6749213)

That doesn't change that I laughed when I read about it.

You are such a cum guzzling tool of the broncos. No matter what they do, NO MATTER WHAT, you will defend it. You have absolutely 0 objectivity.

If the Chiefs took Tebow, you would be laughing to no end, but since you guys did, you would swallow his manhood if it meant you would win some games again.

You LOVED Cutler, Marshall, Scheffler and the rest of the guys "wonderboy" has ran out of town. You know what each of their juices taste like. Now that they are gone, you pick them apart.

Again, 0 objectivity.

Tell us all how you truly feel, right now, about Clady because Id bet dollars to donuts he's next.

CoMoChief 05-10-2010 02:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 6749284)
That doesn't change that I laughed when I read about it.

You are such a cum guzzling tool of the broncos. No matter what they do, NO MATTER WHAT, you will defend it. You have absolutely 0 objectivity.

If the Chiefs took Tebow, you would be laughing to no end, but since you guys did, you would swallow his manhood if it meant you would win some games again.

You LOVED Cutler, Marshall, Scheffler and the rest of the guys "wonderboy" has ran out of town. You know what each of their juices taste like. Now that they are gone, you pick them apart.

Again, 0 objectivity.

Tell us all how you truly feel, right now, about Clady because Id bet dollars to donuts he's next.

Clady just got beat by Tamba Hali (again). Twitter confirmed.

BossChief 05-10-2010 02:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CoMoChief (Post 6749274)
I'm one of about 50millions people thinking this guy's going to fail miserably in the NFL as a behind center/pocket passing QB. If he proves me and millions of people wrong, then good for him. He's still America's #1 overhyped college player ever.

:facepalm:

It was a joke regarding your appreciation thread and your prowless for picking the loser to win in the past.

I was saying that for us to fortify his possible failure, you should be supporting him.

Now that you think he will fail, he will probably succeed.

get it?

Mile High Mania 05-10-2010 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6749190)
All of the people bashing Tebow had better hope that he doesn't turn out because quite frankly, I wouldn't bet against him.

He's a great athlete, has an incredible work ethic and is being coached by a guy that got a very good 2008 performance out of Matt Cassel.

If he can do that with Cassel and his limited arm strength, decision making, athleticism and lack of leadership, it could be downright scary if he actually hits on Tebow.

Yeah, that's about the only thing those that need Tebow to succeed can point to and hope that it works out. Ultimately, it's a non-factor to me right now as I look at 2010. Kyle Orton is the QB, Tebow (by all accounts) isn't ready and won't be ready to lead an NFL team in 2010 and that's fine by me.

Orton is getting a raw deal again... but, that's life in the NFL. All he can do is go out and kick ass in 2010 and hope for the best.

CosmicPal 05-10-2010 02:33 PM

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Woody Paige of The Denver Post sat down with Broncos coach Josh McDaniels, and the former Patriots assistant said Tim Tebow has the “It” factor, similar to Tom Brady. Said McDaniels: “When Tom came to us in 2001, I wasn’t on the offensive side of the ball, but I can remember the feeling in the building was that he had something that nobody else had … and how strongly he felt that ultimately he would be a great player. It was obviously apparent in subsequent seasons.
First of all, nobody has the "it" factor until they win a few games. Peyton Manning had a very forgettable first season, as did John Elway.

Brady was thrusted into playing due to an injury Bledsoe received in the beginning of the season. If Brady had an "it" factor, then what the ***** was he doing on the bench?

They were discussing this very thing yesterday on NFL Sirius and I agree with them, you can't have an "it" factor until you start playing in the NFL- it's a whole different ballgame than college. And if McDaniels screws this up, he's going to have a very brief career as a head coach.

Amnorix 05-10-2010 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6749190)
If he can do that with Cassel and his limited arm strength, decision making, athleticism and lack of leadership, it could be downright scary if he actually hits on Tebow.


WTF? Cassel had good armstrength and was very athletic with the Pats. Limited on deep ball accuracy/touch, but it wasn't an armstrength issue. Athleticism was definitely NOT in doubt.

HemiEd 05-10-2010 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6749190)
All of the people bashing Tebow had better hope that he doesn't turn out because quite frankly, I wouldn't bet against him.

He's a great athlete, has an incredible work ethic and is being coached by a guy that got a very good 2008 performance out of Matt Cassel.

If he can do that with Cassel and his limited arm strength, decision making, athleticism and lack of leadership, it could be downright scary if he actually hits on Tebow.

I agree, this board was making fun of another recent rival pick, that ended up working out.

Amnorix 05-10-2010 02:35 PM

Meanwhile, why is McDaniels setting the expectations so high? Seems silly, and likely to backfire.

thecoffeeguy 05-10-2010 02:39 PM

:spock:

the Talking Can 05-10-2010 02:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6749190)
All of the people bashing Tebow had better hope that he doesn't turn out because quite frankly, I wouldn't bet against him.

He's a great athlete, has an incredible work ethic and is being coached by a guy that got a very good 2008 performance out of Matt Cassel.

If he can do that with Cassel and his limited arm strength, decision making, athleticism and lack of leadership, it could be downright scary if he actually hits on Tebow.

i love how pointing out that his skill set blows equals bashing


let's name all the QBs who had to completely rework the mechanics they'd been using competitively their whole lives - rework after college - who have gone to be great NFL QBs...


1.

bowener 05-10-2010 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Sofa King (Post 6749153)
before this thread goes any further, Tebow would like us to bow our heads...

SHUT THE **** UP, BITCH! (directed at Teblow)


edit:

Can the mods please correct the spelling of Tebow to Teblow from here on after?

bowener 05-10-2010 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 6749399)
i love how pointing out that his skill set blows equals bashing


let's name all the QBs who had to completely rework the mechanics they'd been using competitively their whole lives - rework after college - who have gone to be great NFL QBs...


1. Matt Jones

That is the closet player/position to what Teblow will most likely become...

DaneMcCloud 05-10-2010 02:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 6749399)
i love how pointing out that his skill set blows equals bashing


let's name all the QBs who had to completely rework the mechanics they'd been using competitively their whole lives - rework after college - who have gone to be great NFL QBs...


1.

95% of the people who bash Tebow, bash him because he's a Bronco.

There's absolutely no reason to name a QB that's had to change his mechanics (ahem, Aaron Rodgers) because for the most part, none of them had the size, speed, strength, intelligence and desire to overcome any shortcomings.

Furthermore, all I stated was that those people who bash him had better be right because if not and Tebow can overcome the deficiencies in his passing game, he's going to be a monster player.

DaneMcCloud 05-10-2010 02:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bowener (Post 6749407)
That is the closet player/position to what Teblow will most likely become...

Not even close.

kepp 05-10-2010 02:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CrazyPhuD (Post 6749149)
All the confidence in the world still can't help you hit the broad side of a barn with a football.

Maybe we could nickname him "Uncle Rico".

CosmicPal 05-10-2010 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 6749399)
let's name all the QBs who had to completely rework the mechanics they'd been using competitively their whole lives - rework after college - who have gone to be great NFL QBs...

1.

Weren't they trying to get Michael Vick to become more of a pocket passer in Atlanta when they first drafted him? They wanted him to be able to use his legs of course, but not ALL the time.

If I remember correctly, they were working their tail off trying to get the guy to learn to throw the ball sooner and not to jump the pocket so quickly. They were also afraid of the fact that all of his running around will only shave years off of his tenure as a QB in the league and that he'd retire much too soon because of all of his running around.

the Talking Can 05-10-2010 02:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6749411)
95% of the people who bash Tebow, bash him because he's a Bronco.

There's absolutely no reason to name a QB that's had to change his mechanics (ahem, Aaron Rodgers) because for the most part, none of them had the size, speed, strength, intelligence and desire to overcome any shortcomings.

Furthermore, all I stated was that those people who bash him had better be right because if not and Tebow can overcome the deficiencies in his passing game, he's going to be a monster player.



right...Tebow has some special desire that others don't...absolute horse shit and the main reason people hate him is because of these types of claims...

and my question stands....

1. Maybe Aaron Rodgers




I can't ****ing wait to watch Mr. "I Have Special Want-to That You Don't" play QB in the NFL....

BigCatDaddy 05-10-2010 02:52 PM

McDaniels is the best thing to happen to the Chiefs since Al Davis.

DaneMcCloud 05-10-2010 02:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 6749430)
right...Tebow has some special desire that others don't...absolute horse shit and the main reason people hate him is because of these types of claims...

JaMarcuss Russell

Quote:

Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 6749430)
and my question stands....

1. Maybe Aaron Rodgers


I answered your question accurately. You want to hate on Tebow? Fine.

Just don't be surprised if he succeeds.

DaneMcCloud 05-10-2010 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy (Post 6749433)
McDaniels is the best thing to happen to the Chiefs since Al Davis.


I completely disagree with this type of thinking.

McDaniels went to a stagnant Broncos team that had really done nothing since the 2005 season. He traded the crybaby QB, moved all around in the draft, switched to a 3-4 defense and went 8-8.

In 2010, he traded troublemaker Brandon Marshall, drafted the second rated receiver in the draft, along with some nice offensive lineman (Beadles, Olsen and Walton) along with a project QB in Tebow.

They have a young, talented roster which is nothing to laugh about. If McDaniels doesn't get it done, the next coach will have plenty to work with in terms of talent.

bowener 05-10-2010 03:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6749411)
95% of the people who bash Tebow, bash him because he's a Bronco.

There's absolutely no reason to name a QB that's had to change his mechanics (ahem, Aaron Rodgers) because for the most part, none of them had the size, speed, strength, intelligence and desire to overcome any shortcomings.

Furthermore, all I stated was that those people who bash him had better be right because if not and Tebow can overcome the deficiencies in his passing game, he's going to be a monster player.

Alright, I might buy that Tebow can be as successful as Rogers if he does the same and sits for 3 years behind a future HOF QB, or even just a Pro Bowl caliber QB, and comes into the starting position after many seasons of learning and training.

BigCatDaddy 05-10-2010 03:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6749468)
I completely disagree with this type of thinking.

McDaniels went to a stagnant Broncos team that had really done nothing since the 2005 season. He traded the crybaby QB, moved all around in the draft, switched to a 3-4 defense and went 8-8.

In 2010, he traded troublemaker Brandon Marshall, drafted the second rated receiver in the draft, along with some nice offensive lineman (Beadles, Olsen and Walton) along with a project QB in Tebow.

They have a young, talented roster which is nothing to laugh about. If McDaniels doesn't get it done, the next coach will have plenty to work with in terms of talent.

He inheritedd alot which he got rid of and has made some very questionable picks. Obviously he isn't going to miss on every move or pick, but I'm betting his batting average is going to be pretty low. I think they are at the bottom of the division this year.

BossChief 05-10-2010 03:16 PM

I dont laugh at the fact that Denver drafted Tebow.

I laugh at any team that would draft such a huge project in the first round though unless they can afford to sit him for two years. Especially a team that traded three good picks to get up to 25 to take him. I think he would have been an excellent pick for the Vikings at 30 and said so before the draft, I just dont think it was a good move for Denver.

Sergio Kindle
Morgan Burnett
Dennis Pitta

or

Tebow

I would have rather had the three players, but that is just my preference.

I do think he can be a good player.

DaneMcCloud 05-10-2010 03:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy (Post 6749475)
He inheritedd alot which he got rid of and has made some very questionable picks. Obviously he isn't going to miss on every move or pick, but I'm betting his batting average is going to be pretty low. I think they are at the bottom of the division this year.

So you think that by adding three young offensive lineman, two cornerbacks and the 2nd best receiver in the draft, they're moving backwards?

How does that work?

Furthermore, the only "questionable" draft choice was Tebow and quite frankly, I don't see the big deal, especially considering they drafted Thomas earlier in the first round and still had a full compliment of draft choices.

Tebow was a freebie. If pans out, they've got a QB for the next decade (or more). If he doesn't, they've got Brady Quinn and next year's draft.

ClevelandBronco 05-10-2010 03:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 6749399)
i love how pointing out that his skill set blows equals bashing


let's name all the QBs who had to completely rework the mechanics they'd been using competitively their whole lives - rework after college - who have gone to be great NFL QBs...


1.

I can name one that had shitty mechanics throughout his career, and it didn't seem to hurt him. Bernie Kosar.

It happens.

DaneMcCloud 05-10-2010 03:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 6749480)
I dont laugh at the fact that Denver drafted Tebow.

I laugh at any team that would draft such a huge project in the first round though unless they can afford to sit him for two years. Especially a team that traded three good picks to get up to 25 to take him. I think he would have been an excellent pick for the Vikings at 30 and said so before the draft, I just dont think it was a good move for Denver.

Sergio Kindle
Morgan Burnett
Dennis Pitta

or

Tebow

I would have rather had the three players, but that is just my preference.

I do think he can be a good player.

A QB is way more valuable than a possibly broke LB or a TE.

As I mentioned in the post above, Tebow was a freebie due to all of McDaniels moves in the draft.

BossChief 05-10-2010 03:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6749491)
A QB is way more valuable than a possibly broke LB or a TE.

As I mentioned in the post above, Tebow was a freebie due to all of McDaniels moves in the draft.

those were the players that were available at those draft spots they traded away to take Tebow.

its not a "broke linebacker or a TE" its a broke linebacker, a good safety to pair with Dawkins and a good receiving tight end...or a quarterback that is realistically a two year project that lacks a lot of the raw physical skills to flourish at a championship level in the NFL.

But, again, that is JMO from a fans perspective.

If they win playoff games with the kid, it was a homerun trade.

DaneMcCloud 05-10-2010 03:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 6749505)
those were the players that were available at those draft spots they traded away to take Tebow.

its not a "broke linebacker or a TE" its a broke linebacker, a good safety to pair with Dawkins and a good receiving tight end...or a quarterback that is realistically a two year project that lacks a lot of the raw physical skills to flourish at a championship level in the NFL.

But, again, that is JMO from a fans perspective.

If they win playoff games with the kid, it was a homerun trade.

If it only takes two years for Tebow to be championship level, the Chiefs should have taken him.

He'll have been the steal of the draft if he's got the Broncos in the AFC Championship or Super Bowl in 2012.

thecoffeeguy 05-10-2010 03:26 PM

I just think Tebow has a long way to go as far as being a QB from many aspects.

He is working on his throwing motion, and that will take some time.
He worked out of the shotgun almost exclusively at Florida as part of Urban Myers system. He needs to get used to taking snaps from under center.

Lastly, reading defenses. I think that is going to take him a long time to do. He had very simple reads at Florida, and adjusting to the NFL is going to be a big adjustment. He also does not have a big time WR to go to since Marshall was traded.

The last QB that was picked in the 1st round that came from Urban Myers system was Alex Smith. Good kid, smart, had the physical tools, but we all know how that panned it. It didnt.

he has a long way to go, and he may do well. But I highly doubt he will have a immediate impact.

DaneMcCloud 05-10-2010 03:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thecoffeeguy (Post 6749516)
The last QB that was picked in the 1st round that came from Urban Myers system was Alex Smith. Good kid, smart, had the physical tools, but we all know how that panned it. It didnt.

he has a long way to go, and he may do well. But I highly doubt he will have a immediate impact.

Alex Smith is the starter in San Francisco. If they hadn't been so screwed up the past several years (hiring and firing coaches, changing offensive philosophies, etc.), he may have found more success.

As to Tebow, I don't think anyone expects him to have an immediate impact or even contribute this year. He's a project, but if he pans out, he could be a tremendous player.

And if he doesn't, all he cost the Broncos was the 25th overall pick in a year where they had two first rounders and two third rounders. It's a small price to pay for someone with his potential.

Buehler445 05-10-2010 03:33 PM

I agree with Dane that if Tebow pans out we're ass****ed. But I don't think it will happen. Primarily for reasons mentioned above.

And I have a hard time thinking that McDaniels got better players in the draft than he kicked to the curb, but by the same token, they're going after the "right" guys like we are. . We'll see but I'm definitely rooting for him to go down in flames.
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DaFace 05-10-2010 03:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6749190)
All of the people bashing Tebow had better hope that he doesn't turn out because quite frankly, I wouldn't bet against him.

He's a great athlete, has an incredible work ethic and is being coached by a guy that got a very good 2008 performance out of Matt Cassel.

If he can do that with Cassel and his limited arm strength, decision making, athleticism and lack of leadership, it could be downright scary if he actually hits on Tebow.

While I don't personally see much chance that Tebow will suddenly surprise everyone, it definitely could happen. That's part of why I never get all that excited laughing at other teams (or genuinely excited about the Chiefs) based on offseason moves. You never know how it'll work out in the end.

BossChief 05-10-2010 03:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6749511)
If it only takes two years for Tebow to be championship level, the Chiefs should have taken him.

He'll have been the steal of the draft if he's got the Broncos in the AFC Championship or Super Bowl in 2012.

thats not what I said.

I said he is a 2 year project that lacks a lot of the "physical tools" to flourish at a level that wins championships.

Honestly, if Josh doesnt try to take his legs away from the kid and lets him use his mobility as part of his game/playbook, he can be a weapon in the league. The problem there is that I think he will try to make him Tom Brady and keep him in the pocket instead of using what is probably his best strength, in his mobility, to try and win games.

Honestly, I think they took a guy very very similar player to Thigpen with a first rounder. But his true value is how he raises the level of competition for the rest of the team and if that is effective enough to win big games in the playoffs.

time will tell if he does that.

Quesadilla Joe 05-10-2010 03:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 6749284)
That doesn't change that I laughed when I read about it.

You are such a cum guzzling tool of the broncos. No matter what they do, NO MATTER WHAT, you will defend it. You have absolutely 0 objectivity.

If the Chiefs took Tebow, you would be laughing to no end, but since you guys did, you would swallow his manhood if it meant you would win some games again.

You LOVED Cutler, Marshall, Scheffler and the rest of the guys "wonderboy" has ran out of town. You know what each of their juices taste like. Now that they are gone, you pick them apart.

Again, 0 objectivity.

Tell us all how you truly feel, right now, about Clady because Id bet dollars to donuts he's next.

I haven't said anything negative about Scheffler other than he is not a blocking TE and that is what McDaniels wants from his TE's. Cutler is just a Grade A douche.
Marshall, while he is a trouble maker, is still a top 5 WR in the NFL and I would have preferred we kept him. Hopefully Russ Lande is right about Demaryius Thomas when he said that he was the best WR in this draft and was one of the 5 best players in the entire draft.

thecoffeeguy 05-10-2010 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6749524)
Alex Smith is the starter in San Francisco. If they hadn't been so screwed up the past several years (hiring and firing coaches, changing offensive philosophies, etc.), he may have found more success.

As to Tebow, I don't think anyone expects him to have an immediate impact or even contribute this year. He's a project, but if he pans out, he could be a tremendous player.

And if he doesn't, all he cost the Broncos was the 25th overall pick in a year where they had two first rounders and two third rounders. It's a small price to pay for someone with his potential.

Yes, Smith is the starter at SF, but he has never really produced as you would like for a 1st rounder. Things might change though now, as his OL is getting upgraded, he has Gore at RB and Crabtree and Davis as receiving threats.

Like I said, Tebow may pan out. But he has a long way to go.

CarlPeterson_fan 05-10-2010 03:39 PM

I actually wanted to see Tebow succeed. Until he was drafted by the Donks. Now I want to see a Ryan Leaf/JaFatass career for him.

thecoffeeguy 05-10-2010 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by KnowMo2724 (Post 6749534)
I haven't said anything negative about Scheffler other than he is not a blocking TE and that is what McDaniels wants from his TE's. Cutler is just a Grade A douche.
Marshall, while he is a trouble maker, is still a top 5 WR in the NFL and I would have preferred we kept him. Hopefully Russ Lande is right about Demaryius Thomas when he said that he was the best WR in this draft and was one of the 5 best players in the entire draft.

:eek:

Golden boy Thomas will quickly learn that just running straight lines will not get it done in this league. He will actually have to run routes. :)

BossChief 05-10-2010 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by KnowMo2724 (Post 6749534)
I haven't said anything negative about Scheffler other than he is not a blocking TE and that is what McDaniels wants from his TE's. Cutler is just a Grade A douche.
Marshall, while he is a trouble maker, is still a top 5 WR in the NFL and I would have preferred we kept him. Hopefully Russ Lande is right about Demaryius Thomas when he said that he was the best WR in this draft and was one of the 5 best players in the entire draft.

So basically, the guys you used to like because they were Broncos you dont like anymore because they arent and you really like the new players that are Broncos?

Sounds about right.

If you ever want to earn some respect around here, be objective about your team. Even a little.

There is a difference between being a fan and a full blown blind homer that seems to just follow like a sheep no matter what happens.

You would walk right off the edge of a cliff if the Broncos said that is the best plan.

Seriously, you should just start getting detached from Clady because I am about 80% sure he is on another team in a year or two. He fit the old scheme but doesnt fit as well with the new one and with his recent injury, he will be a "spendable asset" sooner rather than later. Just look at the draft.

Quesadilla Joe 05-10-2010 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 6749399)
i love how pointing out that his skill set blows equals bashing


let's name all the QBs who had to completely rework the mechanics they'd been using competitively their whole lives - rework after college - who have gone to be great NFL QBs...


1.

1. Aaron Rodgers

2. Philip Rivers NEVER adjusted his mechanics.

And the criticism of Tebow's mechanics are overrated.

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The problem with his delivery, McDaniels said, was not as much the left arm action as the right side body reaction. Tebow's nonthrowing arm was flailing, and his right side was bailing out. He's corrected the throwing motion and cocked position, is releasing the ball quicker, and has eliminated the inaccurate sidearm passes. McDaniels had Tebow tuck his right elbow, straighten his shoulders and concentrate on forcing the "15" (on his jersey front) to fall off (figuratively) when he throws.

"See, he's doing it, after just a couple of days," McDaniels said, looking at the screen. "What's it going to be like after 65 practices? He gets it."
McDaniels has said that EVERY QB he has ever coached has had to adjust things in the offseason and sometimes during the season.

BossChief 05-10-2010 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by thecoffeeguy (Post 6749547)
:eek:

Golden boy Thomas will quickly learn that just running straight lines will not get it done in this league. He will actually have to run routes. :)

and do so coming off a broken foot.

bowener 05-10-2010 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 6749560)
and do so coming off a broken foot.

seems ironic that Moeaki is in your sig.

DaneMcCloud 05-10-2010 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 6749532)
thats not what I said.

I said he is a 2 year project that lacks a lot of the "physical tools" to flourish at a level that wins championships.

Honestly, if Josh doesnt try to take his legs away from the kid and lets him use his mobility as part of his game/playbook, he can be a weapon in the league. The problem there is that I think he will try to make him Tom Brady and keep him in the pocket instead of using what is probably his best strength, in his mobility, to try and win games.

Honestly, I think they took a guy very very similar player to Thigpen with a first rounder. But his true value is how he raises the level of competition for the rest of the team and if that is effective enough to win big games in the playoffs.

time will tell if he does that.

The only physical tool he "lacks" was the proper throwing motion which has improved since January.

And as CB mentioned, Bernie Kosar's weird delivery didn't stop him from success in the NFL.

I think Tebow's more like Steve Young, which is a scary thought.

Quesadilla Joe 05-10-2010 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by thecoffeeguy (Post 6749547)
:eek:

Golden boy Thomas will quickly learn that just running straight lines will not get it done in this league. He will actually have to run routes. :)

Like Josh McDaniels said "When you evaluate players you have to make sure you are evaluating the player and not the coordinator"

Demaryius Thomas originally went to GT because of Chan Gailey's pass first offense. A new coach came in and DT was pretty much screwed.

DBOSHO 05-10-2010 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6749570)
The only physical tool he "lacks" was the proper throwing motion which has improved since January.

And as CB mentioned, Bernie Kosar's weird delivery didn't stop him from success in the NFL.

I think Tebow's more like Steve Young, which is a scary thought.

Sounds like you got a crush.

DaneMcCloud 05-10-2010 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by DBOSHO (Post 6749576)
Sounds like you got a crush.

Sounds like you're an idiot.

Oops. We already all knew that.

thecoffeeguy 05-10-2010 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by KnowMo2724 (Post 6749572)
Like Josh McDaniels said "When you evaluate players you have to make sure you are evaluating the player and not the coordinator"

Demaryius Thomas originally went to GT because of Chan Gailey's past first offense. A new coach came in and DT was pretty much screwed.

I want to see you write one negative thing about the Broncos. ONE THING!

Your name should be part of the 'blind homer' definition. :D

DBOSHO 05-10-2010 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6749585)
Sounds like you're an idiot.

Oops. We already all knew that.

LMAO

BossChief 05-10-2010 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by bowener (Post 6749567)
seems ironic that Moeaki is in your sig.

why is that ironic? Moeaki doesnt have to learn how to run NFL routes and was chosen at the end of the third round and would have been a much higher pick if he didnt have a broken foot a couple years ago, Thomas ( a player I like and think will be a very good player that has big games against us because of matchup problems) has to learn to run about every NFL route because of coming from a total gimmick scheme and couldn't do any predraft workouts because of his broken foot.

Pablo 05-10-2010 03:54 PM

Tebow gets no credit in part because of his mechanics; but mostly for coming from the most gimmicky offense in college history.

He could be great. He could fall on his face and have to have Jesus carry him off the football field. I'm hoping for the latter since he's a Bronco now.

BossChief 05-10-2010 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by KnowMo2724 (Post 6749572)
Demaryius Thomas originally went to GT because of Chan Gailey's past first offense. A new coach came in and DT was pretty much screwed.

so now Chan Gailey runs a pass first offense?

ummmmm, no.

RealSNR 05-10-2010 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by thecoffeeguy (Post 6749587)
I want to see you write one negative thing about the Broncos. ONE THING!

Your name should be part of the 'blind homer' definition. :D

I think he once said that the IN-COM-PLETE chant is pretty stupid.

thecoffeeguy 05-10-2010 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR (Post 6749606)
I think he once said that the IN-COM-PLETE chant is pretty stupid.

ROFL

Quesadilla Joe 05-10-2010 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 6749603)
so now Chan Gailey runs a pass first offense?

ummmmm, no.

He did at Georgia Tech.

Pablo 05-10-2010 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR (Post 6749606)
I think he once said that the IN-COM-PLETE chant is pretty stupid.

Yeah, he once posted that Orton's neck beard looked a bit shaggy and he should consider Pert Conditioner.

Pretty harsh thing to say about your QB.

Fritz88 05-10-2010 04:06 PM

cam thomas
thread is over any one who posts after this will have cam thomas jizz in his breakfast cereal

BossChief 05-10-2010 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by KnowMo2724 (Post 4937996)
What are you talking about hater. The improvement of Cutler alone makes us a better team. Cutler has ungodly potential. And he is showing it so far in the preseason.

Mike Martz has been quoted saying "Cutler has a chance to be better than Peyton Manning"

Peyton Manning First 2 years in the NFL
Games 32
QB Rating80.95
Comp% 59.29
Yards 7874
Yards per game246.06
Yards Per Attempt7.1
TD's 52
TD's Per Game 1.62
Int's 43
Int's per game 1.34

Jay Cutler Career Stats
Games 21
QB Rat 88.2
Comp% 62.6
Yards 4498
Yards Per Game 214.2
Yards Per Attempt 7.4
TD 29
TD Per Game 1.38
INT 19
INT Per Game .9

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Originally Posted by KnowMo2724 (Post 5622094)
I'm just saying that it isn't Cutler's fault his team is losing. If we didn't have Cutler the past 2 years we would be 2-14 every year.

Jay Cutler was 3rd all time in rookie QB Rating behind...

1. Ben Roethlisberger
2. Dan Marino.

Mike Martz has said that he thinks Cutler can be better than Peyton Manning.

ROFL

need me to go on?

Quesadilla Joe 05-10-2010 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by thecoffeeguy (Post 6749587)
I want to see you write one negative thing about the Broncos. ONE THING!

Your name should be part of the 'blind homer' definition. :D

I was worried about our interior offensive line before the draft and then McDaniels went and drafted two studs and a solid backup G/C. :D

Pablo 05-10-2010 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Fritz88 (Post 6749641)
cam thomas
thread is over any one who posts after this will have cam thomas jizz in his breakfast cereal

Don't type that name or swarms of locusts will eat your first born.

Quesadilla Joe 05-10-2010 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 6749648)
need me to go on?

I was a HUGE Cutler fan until he demanded to be traded from my favorite team. If you don't want to be a Denver Bronco then you can rot in hell.


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