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damaticous 05-27-2010 07:31 PM

Need a new roof!
 
Well, this sucks. I need a new roof.

Granted it's not 100% crap yet, but I don't anticipate it lasting through the next winter. about 40% of my shingles have lost the asphalt and are curling. :(

When I bought this house I planned to live in it for 5 years and split. Circumstances have changed due to the job market and I will need to live here for at least a couple more years.

I've only lived in my house for 5 years and only have about 6K in equity.

I've added up the square footage (minus the slope) of the house at 1996. I searched the interwebs for calculators and I see that I'm going to need about 60 squares + other crap. Unless my math is wrong that's almost $4,500 just in shingles! :eek:

I've looked into teh HUD 203K, but don't think I'd qualify.

Besides a home equity loan anyone have any good ideas on financing?

Brock 05-27-2010 07:54 PM

Are you sure about that square footage?

Brock 05-27-2010 07:56 PM

60 squares? I kind of doubt that.

pr_capone 05-27-2010 08:36 PM

talk to your home owners insurance. They covered my roof and I had everything done but have a new roof put on. I paid $500 for the whole thing.

Iowanian 05-27-2010 08:40 PM

60square would be a huge roof.

How many square feet is your house? Dimensions? pitch?

Phobia 05-27-2010 08:57 PM

You don't have 60 square. That's 6000 square feet of roof. If you owned that size house, you wouldn't blink at $4500.

Phobia 05-27-2010 08:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pr_capone (Post 6785290)
talk to your home owners insurance. They covered my roof and I had everything done but have a new roof put on. I paid $500 for the whole thing.

If his grain is gone and shingles are curling, they're not going to give him much, if anything. It won't be worth a claim.

doomy3 05-27-2010 09:07 PM

Shoot me a PM if you want me to give you a couple names of people who bid roofs out for a living. They usually get really good prices, and are insured, name companies in the KC area.

warpaint* 05-27-2010 10:54 PM

Homeowners insurance won't pay anything for a roof if the only "damage" to it per se is that it's old (I.E. wear and tear) which is what to this point has been described here. I would hold out as long as possible for a hail storm, especially if you have replacement cost coverage on your homeowners insurance. A roof can have up to 80% of its granules gone and still shed water just fine. Depending on how much curling is taking place - I would talk to your insurance agent for a recommendation on a roofer(s) and then get multipe bids and opinions as to whether full replacement is really necessary. I wouldn't consider it personally unless leaks were springing up and coming back after attempting repairs.

If you have a 60 SQ roof you are living in a palace.

Bugeater 05-27-2010 10:59 PM

Your math sucks. A 2,000 sq ft roof needs 20 square. You need 3 bundles of shingles per square. So that's 60 bundles X whatever a bundle costs these days, maybe $20-25? I haven't bought any since 2005 and IIRC they were around $12/bundle for standard 3 tab. My memory might be as bad as your math though.

Phobia 05-27-2010 11:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bugeater (Post 6785596)
Your math sucks. A 2,000 sq ft roof needs 20 square. You need 3 bundles of shingles per square. So that's 60 bundles X whatever a bundle costs these days, maybe $20-25? I haven't bought any since 2005 and IIRC they were around $12/bundle for standard 3 tab. My memory might be as bad as your math though.

Since 2005? Figure about 60% higher materials costs. Shingle prices have gone through the roof in the past 5 years.

warpaint* 05-27-2010 11:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bugeater (Post 6785596)
Your math sucks. A 2,000 sq ft roof needs 20 square. You need 3 bundles of shingles per square. So that's 60 bundles X whatever a bundle costs these days, maybe $20-25? I haven't bought any since 2005 and IIRC they were around $12/bundle for standard 3 tab. My memory might be as bad as your math though.

Good eye. I glossed right over the 1996 sf and only saw the 60 SQ he said he needed.

Bugeater 05-27-2010 11:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phobia (Post 6785600)
Since 2005? Figure about 60% higher materials costs. Shingle prices have gone through the roof in the past 5 years.

I said $20-25, that's pretty much doubling what I paid. A lot of construction materials have dropped in the last year or so, maybe shingles haven't. I have no idea, I'm not a roofer.

Bugeater 05-27-2010 11:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by warpaint* (Post 6785605)
Good eye. I glossed right over the 1996 sf and only saw the 60 SQ he said he needed.

He must have been using something that calculated the # of bundles you need and got confused, that's where the 60 was coming from.

Phobia 05-27-2010 11:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bugeater (Post 6785607)
I said $20-25, that's pretty much doubling what I paid. A lot of construction materials have dropped in the last year or so, maybe shingles haven't. I have no idea, I'm not a roofer.

Plywood and pine have dropped, that's about it though. Nails, screws, shingles, & electrical are still rising.

BWillie 05-27-2010 11:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by damaticous (Post 6785171)
Well, this sucks. I need a new roof.

Granted it's not 100% crap yet, but I don't anticipate it lasting through the next winter. about 40% of my shingles have lost the asphalt and are curling. :(

When I bought this house I planned to live in it for 5 years and split. Circumstances have changed due to the job market and I will need to live here for at least a couple more years.

I've only lived in my house for 5 years and only have about 6K in equity.

I've added up the square footage (minus the slope) of the house at 1996. I searched the interwebs for calculators and I see that I'm going to need about 60 squares + other crap. Unless my math is wrong that's almost $4,500 just in shingles! :eek:

I've looked into teh HUD 203K, but don't think I'd qualify.

Besides a home equity loan anyone have any good ideas on financing?

1. Paintball gun
2. Ice cubes the size of paint balls
3. An All Perils insurance party
4. Stand on roof.
5. Shoot at roof
6. Report hail loss

googlegoogle 05-28-2010 12:10 AM

Do it yourself. save lots of money.

Kerberos 05-28-2010 12:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by googlegoogle (Post 6785670)
Do it yourself. save lots of money.

Or he could hire Phil and stiff him with a rubber check when the bill comes in the mail.

J/K

:D

honeydanny84 05-28-2010 12:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phobia (Post 6785327)
You don't have 60 square. That's 6000 square feet of roof. If you owned that size house, you wouldn't blink at $4500.

yeah, if so 4500 bucks at least

Phobia 05-28-2010 12:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BWillie007 (Post 6785633)
1. Paintball gun
2. Ice cubes the size of paint balls
3. An All Perils insurance party
4. Stand on roof.
5. Shoot at roof
6. Report hail loss

Do you think insurance companies don't check weather and other claims in the area? I'm not an insurance guy and I could tell you in about 15 minutes of research if an area of town experienced hail on the date of claim.

damaticous 05-28-2010 06:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brock (Post 6785197)
Are you sure about that square footage?

Yes. Actually it's a little more since I didn't account for overhang

damaticous 05-28-2010 06:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phobia (Post 6785327)
You don't have 60 square. That's 6000 square feet of roof. If you owned that size house, you wouldn't blink at $4500.

That'd be awesome if it wasn't. like I said I used an online calculator so I should have been more skeptical.

Kerberos 05-28-2010 06:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phobia (Post 6785327)
You don't have 60 square. That's 6000 square feet of roof. If you owned that size house, you wouldn't blink at $4500.

He could be part of the Sub-Prime and got a 110% loan on the palace he lives in.

damaticous 05-28-2010 06:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bugeater (Post 6785596)
Your math sucks. A 2,000 sq ft roof needs 20 square. You need 3 bundles of shingles per square. So that's 60 bundles X whatever a bundle costs these days, maybe $20-25? I haven't bought any since 2005 and IIRC they were around $12/bundle for standard 3 tab. My memory might be as bad as your math though.

:)

That sounds more like it. I do suck at math, but I used an online calculator.

Lowe's has the shingles I would like at $24 a bundle.

damaticous 05-28-2010 06:29 AM

I bet it was 60 bundles instead of 60 Squares. I don't have a 6000 square foot home. lol

Chief Pote 05-28-2010 07:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by damaticous (Post 6785776)
I bet it was 60 bundles instead of 60 Squares. I don't have a 6000 square foot home. lol

He said 6000 sq foot roof. You need to factor in the roof pitch...also known as the rise and run of the roof.

alnorth 05-28-2010 07:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phobia (Post 6785685)
Do you think insurance companies don't check weather and other claims in the area? I'm not an insurance guy and I could tell you in about 15 minutes of research if an area of town experienced hail on the date of claim.

Yeah, insurance fraud to get a new roof is basically a commonly-accepted evil these days, so I'm not going to get outraged over it, but you cant be stupid.

If your house was the ONLY house that got nailed that day, the insurance company is going to put up a bit of a fight. You have to wait for a real hailstorm, and the damage has to look real. (I heard of one idiot who took a hammer and damaged his shingles in a perfect circle around where he stood. What he pounded on didn't even look like hail damage. His claim was not paid)

SLAG 08-30-2010 07:48 AM

I'm getting a new Roof Put on today.

Insurance is covering it - I called them because during one of the last storms a tree fell and hit my gutters..

So the adjuster took a look at the roof and said there is hail damage - he couldn't say for sure it was from the last storm but he said they would pay anyway

Getting 30 Yr Timberline installed

I'm excited

Hog's Gone Fishin 08-30-2010 08:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brock (Post 6785203)
60 squares? I kind of doubt that.

Maybe he needs 60 shingles.

JohninGpt 08-30-2010 08:14 AM

What part of the country do you live in? I sell roofing materials in Tulsa, so if you are local I may be able to help you out.

Hog's Gone Fishin 08-30-2010 08:15 AM

I would find out when the insurance guy is coming and throw several bags of ice on the roof right as he pulls up so you got proof it was hail. Make sure you break up the ice real good and spread it around because if you just throw the whole bag up there without opening it ,it may look suspicious. That's how I ****ed up the first time.

Hog's Gone Fishin 08-30-2010 08:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hog Farmer (Post 6964200)
I would find out when the insurance guy is coming and throw several bags of ice on the roof right as he pulls up so you got proof it was hail. Make sure you break up the ice real good and spread it around because if you just throw the whole bag up there without opening it ,it may look suspicious. That's how I ****ed up the first time.

I forgot to mention that it will also help if you can time it when a dark cloud passes over. Thats where I ****ed up the second time.

boogblaster 08-30-2010 08:38 AM

the new plastic roofing covers right over your old roof .. cheap and outlasts everything else

Kerberos 08-30-2010 10:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hog Farmer (Post 6964187)
Maybe he needs 60 shingles.

I've had a case of the "Shingles" That shit hurt. He definitely doesn't want 60.

:)

LaChapelle 08-30-2010 10:59 AM

Shingles ain't going to cut it
you need new gutters and vent ridges
and your weathervane is so 80's

JohninGpt 08-30-2010 11:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phobia (Post 6785600)
Since 2005? Figure about 60% higher materials costs. Shingle prices have gone through the roof in the past 5 years.

Three tabs run about $67 p/sq, a square of 30 year laminate is about $87, 15lb felt is $16 or so for a 4 sq roll.

SLAG 08-30-2010 02:29 PM

anyone know if my new roof will offer me any additional energy savings?

Bugeater 08-30-2010 02:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SLAG (Post 6964923)
anyone know if my new roof will offer me any additional energy savings?

Not really, insulating and making sure your attic is properly vented will have a much greater effect on your energy usage, especially in the summertime.

JohninGpt 08-30-2010 03:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SLAG (Post 6964923)
anyone know if my new roof will offer me any additional energy savings?

GAF offers a "Cool Colors" series that is energy star compliant, I think Certainteed has something similar.

Bugeater 08-30-2010 04:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JohninGpt (Post 6965132)
GAF offers a "Cool Colors" series that is energy star compliant, I think Certainteed has something similar.

Bah...sounds like a gimmick to me. I know from experience darker roofs get a lot hotter in the summer, but the attic is supposed to provide a buffer between the house and roof. As I mentioned earlier, as long as it's adequately vented, it shouldn't be an issue.


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