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Tebow continues to struggle with mechanics
Posted by Mike Florio on June 15, 2010 12:12 PM ET
We recently pointed out Peter King's article in the latest issue of Sports Illustrated, which features a close look at the ongoing effort to make Tim Tebow into an NFL quarterback.

Among other things, King's article shows that Tebow has been slipping into his old throwing motion during some practice reps.

As Mike Klis of the Denver Post points out, this fact conflicts with coach Josh McDaniels' insistence that Tebow has shown no problems with his mechanics.

We get the impression that, while the Broncos will continue to try to ensure that Tebow demonstrates proper mechanics at the NFL level, the team is willing to accept the fact that, from time to time, he'll rely on the muscle memory resulting from thousands and thousands of throws made with his prior motion.

But that doesn't mean the Broncos won't try to change him -- or that they'll pretend that the effort to do so already has been completed.

Of course he is going to slip into his old style when the pressure is on.. It is his style, it is damn near impossible to just change suddenly..

It’s 30 minutes after the Denver Broncos completed a June minicamp practice on a warm day in the Rockies.

Future Hall of Famer and team leader Champ Bailey is relaxing near the entrance to the team’s locker room, about to enjoy the air conditioning and a post-practice meal.

Bailey suddenly points to a figure on a distant field. A solitary player remains at work.

It’s Tim Tebow.

“See that?” Bailey asks. “That’s Tebow. It’s long after practice and he’s still out there. That’s what he does. That’s not for show. He’s not just doing that because the media is here today. He does that every day.”

http://espn.go.com/blog/afcwest/post...ows-work-ethic

Do his "mechanics" really matter if he throws the ball on target?

So it is true. He is struggling. I think everyone would practice as much as they could if they knew they were doing it wrong. "we're talking about practice"

From Peter King's article about the throwing motion.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vau...92/3/index.htm

His mechanics result in him not throwing the ball on target, though.

Yes where he releases the ball, how high his arm is held; all of these are important. Especially when you have NFL pass rushers reaching for the ball every time you drop back to pass.

This.

Honestly, I wanna see the guy fail because he's a Bronco. But really, Im sure he'll end up doing just fine in the NFL.

Some QB's aren't prototypical, but they get the job done because they have something else about them that allows them to be successful.

I think Tebow will be a success, as much as it pains me to say it, and I think he will either overcome his mechanics or find a way to be successful despite them.

So they're going to trot him out on the field with a towel stuffed in his armpit? That's going to be hilarious.

This is the downside to his mechanics much more than any accuracy issues. I think his accuracy will be fine, but I'd worry about defenders reaching for the ball or swatting it at the LOS

He completed 67% of his passes in the SEC for his career (5% points higher than Peyton Manning's comp % in college)

Tebow will learn whatever it is he has to. Peyton Manning couldn't outwork Tebow on Peyton's best day.

But that doesn't have anything to do with connecting with receivers/being accurate, right? Just how easily he'll be defended?

He's spent 15 years throwing the football one way and they're asking him to do it differently in a few months.

There's a reason this has never really worked.

Muscle memory is going to win out every time. Tebow was a stupid pick and will remain a stupid pick regardless of the tripe from Denver.

in a gimmick offense. that's with a lot of 'lobs' of 1-2 yards thrown in as well. you won't get away with the jump-pass in the nfl, homer.

Really? That 3 weeks he took between the end of the season and the draft to alter 10 years of throwing mechanics wasn't permanent?!?!

Shocking! Shocking I say.

He's probably distracted by the burning down of the Big Jesus Statue in Ohio.

Mechanics are about consistency more than anything.

A QB with sound mechanics will be able to make strong throws in several different scenarios. A QB with odd mechanics is going to, at times, be in a position where his body simply won't allow him to make a throw. Or his mechanics will betray him and he'll heave a floater or something.

Statistics don't tell the story with mechanics.

Again, who cares about mechanics if the statistics are good? If KC got a QB with horrible mechanics, but completed 90% of his throws, would you care?

"Yeah, he completes 90% of his throws, but he throws like a girl!"

:facepalm:

You're such an idiot.

ROFL you keep outdoing your self by each and every post you make on a daily basis.

Really!!??? :eek: :doh!: KnowMo here STFU take some of this!

http://www.technilube.com/pics/products/ant.jpg

Big ****ing deal. He's putting workin during practice. That has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that his mechanics suck.

Tebow has incredible work ethic, but this statement is just stupid.

FYP

Oh geez...

You're not even comparing similar offenses and comparing his work ethic to Peyton at this point is just silly. Seriously.

ROFL im glad hes your's

Oh no... he's CP property, you guys are the babysitter. I believe he was born here, not on another board... so, according to the constitution - he's yours.

At least 1 Donk fan on this board has a brain.

I wouldnt take phillip rivers if we could get him for free

Because in the NFL, the stats will not remain good if the mechanics are poor.

And more critically, even if the stats do remain good, will you ever truly trust the guy? If Tebow managed to be a 60% passer at the NFL level with his current mechanics I'd be two things:

1) Stunned.
2) Terrified if I were a Broncos fan that those wonky mechanics will put him in a horrid position to make a throw at the worst possible time.

Again - mechanics are often about making a play when things aren't going right. With great mechanics, your arm can still come through at different angles and complete passes naturally. With that weird ass hitch that Tebow has, he's not going to be able to make some plays with his body in strange positions.

The mechanics matter.

:facepalm:

I am just thankful that Denver took him and the Chiefs didnt have some strange fettish about him...

Cause if the roles were reversed and Tebow was a Chief... This place would be full hard on to protect Tebow...

Think of it as a combustible engine with a bad spark plug and a severed vacuum hose. Yes, it will likely still get you where you need to go, and most idiots wouldn't ever know the difference. But in a high stress, high pressure situation, the odds are very high that something will break down when you need it the most.

:BS:

lol that didnt take long

I think they wanted to change it so he did not fumble or get it swatted away as easy.. Especially if they having him moving a lot..

No I think that if that would've happened Arrowhead security personel would've had to be full hard on to protect Pioli. The torches and pitchforks would've descended upon Arrowhead

Vince Young has shitty mechanics too

Ya know whats REALLY ****ed up?

KnowMos posts aren't the dumbest in this thread...sad, really.

(but they are dumb though)

He is the GoChiefs of Bronco land

Woah now, Tiger.

KnowMo said that Peyton Manning's work ethic pales in comparison to the mighty Tebow and suggested that Tebow's higher completion % in college is somehow indicative of professional success.

Show me a dumber post in this thread than either of those.

KnowMo's posts still win the thread.

You're right.


Every single successful QB who has ever played in the NFL has been a clone of the QB Prototype, no exceptions.

Chiefs fan speculating on whether a Bronco QB sucks.
Broncos fan doesn't have to speculate on whether Chiefs QB sucks.

This one's close.

You're talking about college statistics, dude. You know better than to hold that stuff up as a good measure of a QB. Graham Harrell and Todd Reesing would both be 1st round QBs. Is saying "Yeah, he completes 90% of his throws, but he's 4 feet tall" any different than saying "Yeah, he completes 90% of his throws, but he throws like a girl".

And if you're talking about Tebow and completion percentage in his upcoming pro career, that's just reeruned. It's no different than some Cassel backers on here who "predict" he'll be a good QB.

I wouldn't worry too much. Even with your wildcard in Tim Tebow, your QB roster sucks plenty.

This isnt only the dumbest post in this thread, it may be the absolute dumbest post Ive ever read.

Naw, on second thought it isn't and that is soooooo sad.

Yeah, because that's exactly what I said.

There are different types of versatile throwing mechanics. There are several varieties of 'good'.

Tebow's mechanics do not come under this umbrella.

Some people like steak. Some people like ice cream. Most people would acknowledge both are good in their own ways.

And that dog shit still tastes like shit.

Manning's mechanics are steak. Rodgers mechanics are ice cream.

Guess what Tebow's mechanics are...

Gatorade? :D

I kinda assumed DBO was being sarastic.

My apologies if not. It's at least on par with KnowMo, I stand corrected.

Well, unless you have a magic ball, you are making predictions too, right?

honestly, who gives a shit? Practice all you want Jesus Freak. You are going to get lit up on sundays. He is a turd...who is going to drag down what is left of the broncos legacy.

Sarcasm.
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with most I would agree, not with this one.

C'mon, I like giving the guy grief, but that's a borderline bannable comment to make.

Made me think of...

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KnowMo = BarrysKoolAid

FYP

I understand (and even appreciate in some deranged way) your blatant homerism, but don't you think that's going a little too far?

They're synonyms.

Your first point is just fine. It's based on nothing but a guess, but it's your guess, so what the hell. Guess away.

The second point is silly. It's never going to matter a bit whether his mechanics strike terror in the hearts of Broncos fans.

Your third point should have been your second point and you should have just left the silliness out.

Duely noted.

Have fun watching that guy double clutch his way out of the NFL.

Is it really any dumber than refering to Herm Edwards as a good head coach?

He has to stay after practice to learn how to throw a football.......got it. Shit i bet Jake Plummer's better at throwing left handed than Tebow is. ROFL

Hope he starts come Sept!!!!!!!!! :D

There's no one on the planet — including his mother and the guys responsible for drafting him — that has ever considered for a moment that he'd start in September.

Tebow and all that work and still won't compete with Peyton

I remember reading about how Raymond Berry would stay for hours after practice trying to catch balls that were intentionally thrown so that he couldn't catch them. I imagine he might have a different opinion than you do regarding the importance of dedication, drive and work ethic.

The sidearm release didn't hurt Rich Gannon, an MVP if you recall. He has enough athleticism to be productive, we will have to wait to see how successful.

Obviously it's important, but all the hard work in the world doesn't mean he'll be a good QB. It just means he'll be better than he is right now.

You can be the hardest worker and most dedicated person on the planet, and that won't mean shit if you lack overall talent.

That's all his employers are asking for at the moment.

Gannon and Tebow have MUCH different throwing motions.

Can't even believe you brought that up as an example.

ROFL Way to trade up to draft a project!

Very true. If you or I practiced 14 hours a day for the next three years it wouldn't matter.

He's starting from a different point though, and I really can't say whether it will be enough in his case.

They're all projects.

Sidearm or unorthodox style being sited here, "Expert". The Chargers were apprehensive about drafting Rivers as well do to his unorthodox throwing style and lack of strength, but that seemed to work out for them.

The difference here being that Rivers/Young had unorthodox deliveries, but they were still compact deliveries that had a bit of zip. There was some concern that their balls would sail on them and with Young, you still see that he's not the most accurate passer in the world.

Tebow's throwing motion out of college took way too long to get out of his hand. 1) in the NFL, that second is the difference between a sack and a completed pass; 2) in the NFL, if you start throwing with the ball at your hip, that ball will be stripped every single time.

Whereas Rivers/Young had unorthodox throwing motions, Tebow has the completely wrong throwing motion. It'll take time to change. I think he can overcome it. The question is if he can still be effective. No one knows.

Maybe.