The Giant Hole Of Extreme Strangeness
 

Important Note: This thread has nothing to do with Mr. Redrum_69's mom.

Oak Island is a tiny, little island off the coast of Nova Scotia and the location of the strange Money Pit ... a giant hole of mystery that has been investigated by a whole bunch of people since its original discovery.

Legend has it that in 1795, Daniel McGinnis (in his mid-teens at the time) was hanging with a group of fishermen dudes when he stumbled upon a depression (about 5 meters in diameter) next to a clearing and below an old oak tree that had been unnaturally scarred. Upon closer examination, McGinnis surmised that the scarring had been caused by ropes used to lower persons and/or material down and into the depression. Because the area was known as a refuge for pirates, McGinnis decided that the depression contained buried treasure.

So the next day, McGinnis returned with two friends and they began digging. Their efforts revealed a shaft that still bore pick marks and, eventually, at a depth of approximately 4 feet, a layer of flagstones. Their continued efforts revealed oak logs blocking the shaft at 3, 6, and 9 meter intervals, but no treasure. Eventually, they realized that they would be unable to continue without more equipment.

Nine years later searchers returned finding the pit just as McGinnis had left it. Efforts continued and the treasure hunters encountered more oak log platforms at depths of 12, 15, and 18 meters. At 21 meters, they hit a platform of plain oak, followed by more oak but sealed with coconut fibers (no coconuts on the island) and putty at 24 meters. At 27 meters, they recovered a stone (one not native to Nova Scotia) bearing a strange inscription which has since been translated to read, "Forty Feet Below Two Million Pounds Are Buried". It was then that the shaft began to fill with seawater (the entire island being only 35 feet above sea level at its highest point) bringing excavation efforts to an abrupt halt.

Quite a number of additional expeditions have been launched since that time (with one currently underway) in an effort to find the treasure. Interestingly, a sizable number of artifacts have been exhumed from the pit including pieces of chain, parchment, tools, and engraved stone but, so far, no treasure.

Some people think it's just a sinkhole. Some think it's part of an aqueduct system. Others think that the shaft does, indeed, contain treasure hidden there by pirates, or Vikings, or Knights Templar, or ancient Egyptians, or mole people from the planet Blahgram. Either way, it's a fascinating story and the hole is both extremely deep and cluttered with odd artifacts and construction materials.

So, what do guys think? Is there treasure there or not?

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But what about Virginia Dare and Roanoke mystery? That is what I wanna know.

And about Redrum's mom's giant hole.

This thread is worthless w/o pics.

Doesn't OverHead live near there somewhere? Bet he'd know.

40 don't divide by three
I feel like I'm following for a trap

What the hell is a meter?

They say that 10,000 years ago, the island wasn't an island at all. Rather, it was part of a peninsula and sea level was about 45 feet below its current point. This means that the pirates didn't have the flooding problem that the treasure hunters have had.

It seems as though there must be something of value down there due to the various points where these log/coconut/putty/stone platforms are found. I mean, why would they be there? Some of that material is not indigenous to the area. Plus, the only possible reason to install these "blockages" is either to dissuade diggers or protect something, right?

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That also means that global warming is for real!

(off to DC, sorry FAX)

Well those are definitely not indigenous to the area.

a unit of measure a little over 3 feet... :)
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I can usually spot a giant hole from 30-40 feet away.

Oh ... here's something else.

Remember I mentioned that the pit flooded? Well it turns out that, at about 110 feet down, the treasure hunter people encountered another shaft that connects to the money pit at about 90 degrees and runs horizontally all the way to the ocean. Clearly, this was a booby trap created by the people who originally dug the shaft in order to flood the shaft should anyone attempt to dig the treasure out. Cool, huh?

It behooves us to recall that the ancient Egyptians did this kind of thing all the time ... set booby traps, I mean.

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Lindsey Lohan? :)
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Oh ... here's something else I forgot ...

Not only have artifacts been taken from the original hole, but other artifacts have been found in other locations on the island. These include an ancient carpenter's square and some additional stones engraved with strange markings. One researcher believes that these indicate involvement with the Freemasons and that the mystery hole contains Freemason treasure hidden there from King George III.

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Oh ... and there's this ...

They carbon dated the wood taken from the platforms blocking the pit. They dated at 1575 plus or minus 80 years.

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Awesome, more circumstantial stuff that links us Masons to conspiracies involving treasure troves and related cover ups. Just when I thought Dan Brown couldn't make us out to be more than we really are, this happens. Yay!

On the lost colony of Roanoke subject, CROATOAN is the key to that puzzle. Either they got absorbed that tribe, but more likely is that they got wiped out by another tribe or possibly the Croatoans themselves.

I'm lucky I didn't fall in

Oh ... here's something else ... (you'll really appreciate this one, Mr. J-Town Fan 1988) ...

According to ancient manuscripts associated with Rennes Le Chateau, the Merovingians were not wiped out by the Carolingians under the direction of Pope Zachary.

Instead, some of the lineage survived and sought protection from the Sinclairs of Scotland who were the hereditary lords of Rosslyn Chapel and descended from the Scots Guards (a group loyal to the Stuart dynasty and members of the Templar Order who fought with Robert the Bruce at Bannockburn). These Scottish Templars took responsibility for what remained of the Merovingians and their secrets.

According to Michael Bradley, some of these Templars came to the New World long before Columbus - fleeing to Canada after the dissolution of their order - carrying the Grail. This is evidenced by the 15th Century Venetian "Zeno Map" which shows a Templar Knight with a sword standing where Nova Scotia is.

Therefore, the Money Pit could well contain the Grail ... or proof of its location ... hidden there to protect it from the Carolingians, the Pope, and the Holy Roman Empire.

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I read about this back when I was in High School. I always thought it must contain something because who would seriously dig down so deep just for a prank? I'm kind of surprised that noone has gotten down there yet.

The solution is clear. We must drain the Atlantic ocean....

I've read about this a few years back. I think the piece of wood that claimed treasure was down there was supposedly found by a guy who then said he lost it somehow, so they don't know if that actually existed. But it's a really cool story. A lot of money's been spent digging there.

Read a story about this in Rolling Stone some years ago. It had more detail though. If I remember right, it said the shaft filled with water b/c there was a hole dug horizontally to the sea. Also, it said something about the beach itself may have been man made. The ground was completely lined with palm leaves and covered with sand. Very cool stuff.

I had since looked for a copy of that story, unsuccessfully of course. Chiefsplanet amazes me again, the story I could never find pops up out of nowhere. Good stuff FAX.

The place I read it was a book called The Best of Uncle John's Bathroom Reader which has a bunch of strange stories like this. Oak Island is one of the longer ones. There's also one about a Frenchman called La Petomaine who could fart on command, fart songs and blow out candles with farts, who played to packed houses in France.

Here's a website regarding Oak Island

http://www.oakislandtreasure.co.uk/c...page/Itemid,1/

This was on the History channel the other day. Some believe the ark of the covenant is down there. It said 6 people have died trying to excavate over the years. Lots of money has been spent trying to get to the bottom.

Yeah, I left out the part where the flooding was due to a booby trap. My bad. But, you're right ... whoever dug the original hole also dug another horizontal shaft that connected the ocean to the pit at approximately the 110 foot level. The idea was that, when someone dug down that far, they would uncover the flood shaft and the whole thing would get swamped with water discouraging the thieves. And, it worked.

I mean, who would go to all that trouble if there were nothing at the bottom of the pit? I think there's something down there. Something very cool.

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Jason sought the Golden Fleece, Mr. Hog Farmer. Who knows? Maybe the Golden Hog Jizz is down there?????

One of the biggest problems now (there's a new excavation effort going on as we speak) is that there have been so many efforts over the years that it's difficult to know just exactly where the original pit was. I've seen some photos of past digs and the crazy bastards had the entire island practically dug up.

Another bad thing is that, as I mentioned, the island is only 35 feet above sea level at its highest point ... presumably much higher when the treasure was buried ... so digging down to the level they need to reach is extremely difficult due to flooding.

One researcher who seems to be pretty bright has suggested that the "map stone" was incorrectly translated and actually points to the fact that the real treasure is on an adjacent island. He says that this pit is just a decoy that held the map stone and that's it.

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This is old news, In Search Of covered this in like 1977. :clap:

I think you're talking about the "map stone", Mr. blaise. And, you're right, it's missing now. However (and this is really important), the map stone was found and its contents copied very early on ... well before any thought would have been given to hoaxing the deal. At that time they found it, they probably believed the treasure was just another spade length further down. Keep in mind that they were still finding these "platforms" of oak and coconut and putty and flagstone all the way down to 60/70 feet. These platforms were obviously man made and placed there for a reason ... either to dissuade treasure hunters or protect the treasure.

I think the map stone is legit. I'm not so sure about some of the other engraved stones in the area. They could well have been done by laborers or tourists.

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What the hell is a coconut fiber? Are they talking about the stringy shit on the outside of the coconut? How does that work for plugging a hole?

I'm sure there is probably money down there... but IMO all of the REALLY, REALLY cool stuff, is in the Vaults of the Vatican.

Can you imagine all the cool stuff we'd find? I'm surprised this hasn't been done already.

this....

excellent contribution. :clap:

How did they dig that far down back then?
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Some people say they had help from aliens, Mr. KcChiefsKing. Others think that they were mole people. Whoever they were, I think they had experience with building and excavating ... like the Egyptians.

Here's a list of stuff that treasure hunters have found either in the pit or in its environs, so far ...

Copper coin, bosun's whistle, and iron ring bolt embedded in a rock.
Inscribed stone.
Gold links.
Remains of the old cofferdam.
Wood and end of a keg pulled out when the Pit collapsed.
Blue clay.
Parchment.
Anchor fluke of ancient design - since disappeared.
Dump with thousands of broken pottery flasks.
Rock with "1704" inscribed on it..
Nail, washer.
Scissors, heart stone.
Original cofferdam - logs 2 feet thick up to 65 feet long with Roman numerals marked on them.
Nails and metal-straps.
Leather shoes.
3 drilled rocks and ash piles analyzed to be burned bones.

Pirate stuff?

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I like it cause the templers had something cause they were not the type mess around with these things. Now my theory is they after burying the treasure they moved to America and died out so no one could find them or the treasure.

Here's a question for all the treasure hunters - why the hell would anybody go to so much trouble to bury something so completely that they intended to retrieve again?

Say you've got a chest full of gold coins. Sure, you want to safeguard it - but eventually, you want to be able to gain access to it again - people don't steal shit just to bury it forever. What good does a chest of gold do you if it's buried under a boobytrap so intense that nobody can penetrate it in 200 years of trying? Even if there's some secret way to access it, surely that's been screwed up by all the attempts, especially the one that's flooded the shaft.

It just doesn't make any sense.

Wouldn't be surprised if it was just some religious person trying to make a point about greed.

That's a good question.

Maybe there's some secret rock nearby where, when you sit on it, the whole contraption rises up out of the sand and you just walk over roll the treasure chest away.

What do you think this is, an Indiana Jones movie or something? :)

Life is an Indiana Jones movie. Unfortunately, most of us are just peasants being lowered into a pit of lava.

I love stories like this, and I've heard about it before. too bad it's a load of nonsense seeing it's just a sinkhole - the whole area is covered in sinkholes and some geologists checked it out years back and said it's a natural formation, the 'hidden booby trap tunnels' are natural as well. The bit about finding some stone in a strange language they translated sounds about real as Joesph Smith's gold plates gotten from some angel. You gotta want to believe.