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The Sheffield injury was awful, but I thought it was very cool to see the players go out on the field in prayer. In our culture and media today we seldom see religious expression and I was rather proud to see my favorite team, in a sport I love so much, do this.

I couldn't help but wonder if an injury occured on a movie set whether the cast and crew would have done the same.

Very happy to see that he is alright.

it was very nice to see indeed. I said a prayer myself and our prayers were answered because he got out of the hospital with no life changing injuries, which was the most important thing.

I thought it was a nice gesture of respect. Obviously there is zero value in the actual prayer mechanism, but it was a nice show of respect for a fallen brother.

Obviously?

Yeah, I had the same thought as you. Certainly there's room for diverse opinions, but to say that prayer doesn't work or have an effect on circumstances is a bit narrow-minded, IMO.

Here we go again :rolleyes: I don't know which are growing more tiresome, the obvious DC-baiting threads or the equally predictable responses

damn you, beat me to it.

Also, there is plenty of display of religion in public life. I don't know where you've been.

Nope....religion doesnt exist in any profession outside of sports.

How do you figure prayer works? If 300,000,000 catholics pray for the pope to get better and he dies, how do you figure it functions in anyway other than psychologically?

It is interesting that you would ask this, I was wondering the same thing. The entire team in 2 games now have had the auto-prayer button on after injuries. Lead by Wheaton College grad Studebaker.

It brings up a chicken and the egg question... with the retooling of the Chefs they seem to be trying to get a new caliber of player starting with high character players (Jones, Vrabel, 5 team captains in the draft or whatever).

So, were they looking for more religious people as well, because they thought it equated with higher character? Or did that happen to get more religious players because they were looking for those with character (whatever the heck that means)?

"If you believe you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer"
Mathew 21:22

Welp..off to DC

Being an atheist, I don't personally have any use for religion or prayer and so on, but I thought it was a good way for players in what's ultimately a helpless situation to express their care and support for a fallen teammate. Nothing at all wrong with it, I'd say. I think if I was on the team, I'd have knelt with the rest of them, as a silent show of respect and unity.

LMAO Nice debut.

I understand skepticism. I really do. Nor can I explain how it works. But there are enough stories of miracles and healings to say that it isn't valid or that God doesn't intervene in life.

If you believe in God, then miracles happen because that's part of God's plan.

When the pope dies in spite of the prayers of millions, that is also a part of God's plan.

If you don't believe in God, then shit happens.

It was sickening. Absolutely disgusting.

Yea, you know people have been studying this for awhile and ...

"Miracles" are just another way of explaining the unexplained. People centuries ago had no idea how the sun rose in the morning and set at night, so they simply said "its a miracle" and that was that.

Personally, I don't rely on an invisible man/superhero/ghost/god to come and save me.

hehe I see miracles in every way and ****ing magnets how do they work? ROFL

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I'm guessing it is more a show of respect and hope for recovery than believing in a particular religion. I'm a through and through Atheist, but if I was on the sideline, I would have gotten in the "prayer" huddle, simply because my hatred for religion does not overwhelm my respect for that person and the wish that he isn't hurt badly.

If praying really worked, we'd have two HoF type QB's on this roster. If all we get out of these prayers is the good health of Cam Sheffield then God hath layed the smite to our franchise.

I do know that Colquitt and Succop both love Jesus a lot.

So... prayer works in the kicking game maybe?

I find some of the responses to the idea that prayer might actually work to be interesting.

People call Christians intolerant, ignorant, or closed-minded. And yet many who would use that label on Christians immediately close off to the idea that anything we believe is true.

I'm not the type who runs around preaching at people and being hyper-spiritual about life. But I also see a wealth of evidence of God's presence and power. So when I hear that Cameron Sheffield is working out at Arrowhead today, I personally believe God had something to do with that. Now, why he walks and other guys like Utley never do, I honestly don't know.

I'm just not quick to dismiss it.

Religious expression in sports makes me want to shoot an automatic weapon into a crowd.

Dave Lane is an asshole, so sayeth the Lord! - The Message Bible

I feel really bad about the kinds of people who some of you must have come into contact with representing the church or Christianity. They really must have left a bad taste in your mouths.

I'll never forgive Kurt Warner.

That's just too easy.

ROFL My bad.

That's why I started using flavored lube.

I'm sure a lot of non-believers are raised going to Sunday school each week, so they aren't going to be immediately closed off to those ideas. Since I was one of those people, it would have been much easier for me to continue believing than to go against what family and others had been telling me for the first 15-20 years of my life. Saying non-believers are immediately closed off to the supposed power of prayer and so forth is completely baseless.

:doh!:

I'd say the players who pray in the endzone were the ones actually praying in the huddle. The remainder were there as a public display of respect.

Obvious answer: god is a black man.

I think the difference is that a lot of people were raised in a religious environment, and later decided (IMO based on their level of education, no offense) that they simply didn't believe the fairytales. Then they spend the rest of their lives having religious people try to "save them". Meanwhile, the religious folk never make an attempt to understand, and perhaps its simply not possible for them.

I think I'm right in my beliefs, but will still take the time to listen and engage with an open mind, and if my mind changes over time, then so be it - I'm not scared of believing something new.

You believe whatever works for you. I believe that its' all science and chance, no supreme power. But as long as you keep your preaching to yourself and don't judge me for mine, then that's all well and good.

I share your sentiments, but I'm not gonna go quite that far..........you may want to consider pumping the brakes a time or two.

Actually nice to see some analytical people that deal with reason and process thought like they have functioning brain. Well might have to check that..............it is Sunday night so the dumb ones are in church singing and holding hands right now. They'll be here soon enough to stupid this thread up a bit.

I too saw it as more of a sign of respect than it being a mass display of dumb carried out by 80 superstitious dummies.

I still like Glenn Parker's thoughts on sports and God/religion. It was right after some really good game we had when he was here. He told the story in an interview about how after the game one of his teammates came up and said to him something along the lines of "you can't tell me God didn't have some thing to do with that win" His comments were something like "yeah God blew off all the starving children and victims of war that day to come and watch over a bunch of millionaire athletes play a kid's game." My thoughts and commentary would be somewhere real close to his.

Well, if we're going to do a drive-by, obviously I can unload more rounds if I'm going slower.

I pray for people to keep their political and religious views to themselves. But there must not be a God because I keep having to watch people fight about this shit on Intrawebz forums.

True story, though: I'm having eye surgery for a cataract in a month. My main doc referred me to a specialist in Boston who is supposedly an expert. He's written papers and has performed tens of thousands of surgeries. I said, "Cool." Then my doc said, "Just so you know, though, he's a Born-Again Christian, so you might hear him saying a prayer in the operating room or he might offer you some small prayer medal, I don't know if that would bother you or affect your decision." I said, "Dude, I don't care if he's Born-Again or if he sacrifices goats in the operating room to a pagan god; if he thinks it makes him a better doctor, and it does, then I'm all for it. I can use all the edge I can get." :D

I'm not a man of faith, but given that response by Parker in that situation, I would have told him that God is all powerful, thus the greatest multi-tasker ever.

Yeah, yeah. You're as meek as a lamb.

Ditto this completely.

wtf?


because the crew on a movie set must be atheist?


did you have this thought after you were hit in the head by a hammer you were swinging?

This

Therefore, anyone that does not receive what they pray for is an unbeliever.

In Luke 19:27, God considers unbelievers to be His enemies, and He commands that unbelievers be murdered by believers: : "But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me."

Logically, it follows that people who do not receive what they pray for should all be killed by people who are successful prayers.

God commands it. Kill them. Kill the unbelievers now.

Dear God, please let the sun come up tomorrow, kthxbye.

Clever boy... you shall live...

Not to mock prayer, but I believe the proper term is "amen".

Football is a violent sport filled with nasty individuals who sin frequently.

If the Christian god really exists, he hates football and does not answer the prayers of anyone associated with it.

I don't know if he hates football, but I'm pretty certain he hates the Chiefs.

He sez He's angry, vengeful & jealous.... and He commands you to kill unbelievers - you'd think He'd be a football fan fer sure!

It's interesting that this has popped up on a message board. I was thinking the same thing while watching the prayer huddle. I am a person of faith , although I may be a little "lost" or misguided. I was thinking this: isn't it pretty much a tradition to have a pre-game prayer? Did someone forget to pray for the safety and continued health of the other players? Was God preoccupied with something more important than a preseason football game and just didn't hear the prayer? OR, was that particular prayer actually answered since the player ended up being OK afterall?

I guess for me it was a nice gesture of respect for a fallen player at the moment but utterly useless in reality for the well being of the player. That's just me. Scripture says that "time and unforeseen occurrence befall us all"....good things happen to bad people and vice versa. It's possibly Gods way of saying "my bad...shit happens. Get over it."

He hates Kansas City most of all, because man took a city in the middle of the bible belt and turned it into a culture of barbecue and football, where Sundays are reserved primarily for the worship of sport.

Kansas City, KS and Kansas City, MO are a modern day Sodom and Gomorrah. If Carl Peterson and Marty Schottenheimer had turned back and looked at Arrowhead after they left, they would have been turned to pillars of salt.

Oh, do you think it'll still go through? Will not ending the message correctly screw up the parser?

Think of amen as the submit button. If you don't say it, the message doesn't get posted.

OK then... Bearcat dies along with the rest...

And sometimes God gives you that 404 Error.

SERVER CRASH

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Well hey there's no harm in praying. After all what do you really risk? As long as you're not facing east and rocking back and forth humming and looking like you're having convulsions five times a day while facing a black rock that you're supposed to go and walk around like a herd of sheep once a year it doesn't bother me, but those ****ers you gotta keep an eye on...............well I guess that goes for any extremeist (regardless of belief system or ideology). Sorry I'm well aware this really wasn't the time or place for this rant, but after the things I studied this weekend and being with my brother for the last week (who works for the DOD and just got back from Afghanistan) I have a new found appreciation for how ****ed up those people are.

OK sorry again! Just needed to decompress. Rant over............moving along........nothing to see here.

Well, yeah, he's God.

He's known for eons that his son would be a Donkey.

I really didn't intend to turn this into a debate. My religious views are not like most. I believe there is a God but he has given us free will, so we do stupid crap all the time like hopping into a car drunk, sleeping around on our spouses or stealing. We might get into a wreck and kill ourselves or someone else, we might get an STD or go to jail. How much prayer is going to help with any of those, I really don't know.

Religion and God are two very different things IMO. Religion has been used as an excuse for killing people for thousands of years, but it has also been the source of feeding and caring for millions. I've always thought and wrote a paper on it in a philosophy class, that the roots of modern religion were created by men with good intentions to create order/law in a world filled with chaos and to try to understand creation. That, in and of itself, doesn't mean that there isn't a higher power.
To me it means that simple humans trying to understand something that is beyond their comprehension is an almost impossible effort but that doesn't make the "trying" a waste of time.

"Do good unto others" is a pretty simple code to live by and pretty much covers the intent of the 10 commandments. People spending money that they don't have to pay for the Jim Bakker's of the world infuriates me to no end. I recently heard that the pastor of a well known Assembly of God church in the area makes $750,000 a year. That's absurd by any count. How can a pastor stand before a congregation and ask them to give money to a church when he is the biggest expense that church has?

I don't believe that we have God or religion figured out, but I do believe he exists and I'd rather live my life knowing there is something more than death at the end of this journey.

No, but it's still stupid :)!

Nah you're good man. I am proud of The Lounge crowd because this conversation hasn't turned into the downward swirling toilet bowl that it would be in DC. See who says the commoners can't have a rational discussion with differing opinions?? Apparently we can as long as it doesn't have anything to do with Matt Cassel, Dayton Moore, treatment of n00bs, or KU, K-State, and Mizzou.

Seriously?

I don't know if there's a God, but I don't think He cares much what happens down here.

However, that doesn't mean I don't believe there might be something in the positive power of prayer, not only the effect it might have in the person praying but the effect it might have on a person being prayed for by a group. We only use around 10% of our brains. (Many of us, quite a bit less than that. Some, apparently, barely at all.) But who knows what the rest of it can do? I don't think anything's off the table--telekinesis, precognition, psychic powers, whatever--so who's to say people who truly believe in it can't focus positive energy through thought? Much like the general belief in God, if we can't disprove it as impossible, then anything's possible.

God knows I've said plenty of unanswered prayers for that one.

April 2009: Please God, let Matt Cassel be the savior of our franchise.
September 2009:Please God, give Matt someone who can catch.
October 2009: Please God, give Matt some protection on the offensive line.
November 2009: Please God don't let Matt throw another pick.
December 2009: Please God just don't let Matt lose the game for us.
April 2010: Please God let us draft Jimmy Clausen

Wow! I guess prayer really doesn't work.

Obviously I'm kidding. I don't think God could care less about how good of a QB Matt is and I'm quite certain he doesn't care how good the Chiefs are.

How DARE you think that YOUR prayer is so worthy that it overrules someone elses?!?

September 2008: Please God, let someone take Tom Brady out so I can start a ****ing game.
October 2008: Please God, let me play balls to the wall all year so I can impress the shit out of someone and make a ton of dough.
February 2009: Please God, let Scott Pioli get shitfaced and sign me to an obscene deal.

:D

Dear God, please give our leaders the vision to create a better health care system and give Obama strength, amen.

God: WRONG FORUM, ASSHOLE!!

Yea, with the exception of your comments it has been a decent conversation. You are aware that Muslims are praying to the same dog er sorry god you are right?

ROFL

You people want proof? I just prayed that Jesus would appear to all of you reprobates and wouldn't you know it? I turn on Fox and see #15 doing his thing.

:D

Oh ye of little, or in your case no, faith.

There have been a few studies done, Mr. Dave Lane ... as I'm sure you're aware. A couple have been countered or debunked, of course, based on unscientific testing standards or lack or control groups or insufficient sampling or whatever. However, one of the most interesting ones was a blind prayer exercise for primates (sick monkeys, I think it was ... just going on memory here). Anyhow, a bunch of people prayed for certain of the monkeys and the control group remained ill or died poor little sad monkey deaths, but the "prayed-for" monkeys significantly improved. The idea was that the monkeys had no idea they were being prayed for ... unlike humans might.

Crazy.

FAX

I'm always surprised at the disconnect of people from Chiefsplanet to actual high school, college and NFL players.

A GREAT number of these guys are part of the FCA, or Fellowship of Christian Athletes. There's definitely something about playing and depending on your teammates and Christianity that binds these guys together. Everyone that I know that played NCAA Division I, D-II and in the NFL were part of that organization.

Now with that said, I'm not stating that EVERY NFL player is an active, practicing Christian, but I'd wager that more than 60% fit that category. So, it's not at all surprising that guys knelt down and prayed for a fallen friend.

Regardless of one's faith, there is evidence that like-minded people that bind their thoughts together can make a change.

It's all up to the individual to decide if their faith and spirituality play a role.

It's not for me to decide or judge.

But Muslims obey Allah when He commands that they kill nonbelievers. God has explicitly commanded us to kill nonbelievers, and in our conceit we reject His Word. God commands us to kill - we should KILL!

hopefully it just stays with the want to. prolly end up in a very bad place ifn you actually do it.

I didn't specify which sort of crowd.

I was thinking...

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Dude, let it go.

Whatever works for people works.

Let it go.

OP are you serious? You see religion and prayer everywhere you stupid mother ****er

jesus ****ing christ