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Mr. Laz 08-30-2010 02:45 PM

Wins and losses ... you make the call
 
predict the wins,losses and record

<table class="data-table1" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="100%"> <tbody><tr class="thd2"><td>Wk</td> <td>Date</td> <td>Game</td> <td>Stadium</td> <td nowrap="true">Time (ET)</td> </tr> <tr class="tbdy1 " valign="top"> <td class="">1</td> <td nowrap="true"> Sep 13</td> <td nowrap="true">SD @ KC </td> <td>Arrowhead Stadium</td> <td>10:15 PM </td> </tr> <tr class="tbdy1 " valign="top"> <td class="">2</td> <td nowrap="true"> Sep 19</td> <td nowrap="true">KC @ CLE </td> <td>Cleveland Browns Stadium</td> <td>1:00 PM </td> </tr> <tr class="tbdy1 " valign="top"> <td class="">3</td> <td nowrap="true"> Sep 26</td> <td nowrap="true">SF @ KC </td> <td>Arrowhead Stadium</td> <td>1:00 PM </td> </tr> <tr class="tbdy1 " valign="top"> <td>4</td> <td>Bye</td> <td colspan="4">
</td> </tr> <tr class="tbdy1 " valign="top"> <td class="">5</td> <td nowrap="true"> Oct 10</td> <td nowrap="true">KC @ IND </td> <td>Lucas Oil Stadium</td> <td>1:00 PM </td> </tr> <tr class="tbdy1 " valign="top"> <td class="">6</td> <td nowrap="true"> Oct 17</td> <td nowrap="true">KC @ HOU </td> <td>Reliant Stadium</td> <td>1:00 PM </td> </tr> <tr class="tbdy1 " valign="top"> <td class="">7</td> <td nowrap="true"> Oct 24</td> <td nowrap="true">JAC @ KC </td> <td>Arrowhead Stadium</td> <td>1:00 PM </td> </tr> <tr class="tbdy1 " valign="top"> <td class="">8</td> <td nowrap="true"> Oct 31</td> <td nowrap="true">BUF @ KC </td> <td>Arrowhead Stadium</td> <td>1:00 PM </td> </tr> <tr class="tbdy1 " valign="top"> <td class="">9</td> <td nowrap="true"> Nov 07</td> <td nowrap="true">KC @ OAK </td> <td>Oakland Coliseum</td> <td>4:15 PM </td> </tr> <tr class="tbdy1 " valign="top"> <td class="">10</td> <td nowrap="true"> Nov 14</td> <td nowrap="true">KC @ DEN </td> <td>Invesco Field at Mile High</td> <td>4:05 PM </td> </tr> <tr class="tbdy1 " valign="top"> <td class="">11</td> <td nowrap="true"> Nov 21</td> <td nowrap="true">ARI @ KC </td> <td>Arrowhead Stadium</td> <td>1:00 PM </td> </tr> <tr class="tbdy1 " valign="top"> <td class="">12</td> <td nowrap="true"> Nov 28</td> <td nowrap="true">KC @ SEA </td> <td>Qwest Field</td> <td>4:05 PM </td> </tr> <tr class="tbdy1 " valign="top"> <td class="">13</td> <td nowrap="true"> Dec 05</td> <td nowrap="true">DEN @ KC </td> <td>Arrowhead Stadium</td> <td>1:00 PM </td> </tr> <tr class="tbdy1 " valign="top"> <td class="">14</td> <td nowrap="true"> Dec 12</td> <td nowrap="true">KC @ SD </td> <td>Qualcomm Stadium</td> <td>4:15 PM </td> </tr> <tr class="tbdy1 " valign="top"> <td class="">15</td> <td nowrap="true"> Dec 19</td> <td nowrap="true">KC @ STL </td> <td>Edward Jones Dome</td> <td>1:00 PM </td> </tr> <tr class="tbdy1 " valign="top"> <td class="">16</td> <td nowrap="true"> Dec 26</td> <td nowrap="true">TEN @ KC </td> <td>Arrowhead Stadium</td> <td>1:00 PM </td> </tr> <tr class="tbdy1 " valign="top"> <td class="">17</td> <td nowrap="true"> Jan 02</td> <td nowrap="true">OAK @ KC </td> <td>Arrowhead Stadium</td> <td>1:00 PM </td> </tr></tbody> </table>

Bane 08-30-2010 02:49 PM

1.L
2.W
3.L
4.WIN BABY!!!!!
5.L
6.L
7.L
8.W
9.L
10.L
11.W
12.L
13.W
14.L
15.W
16.L
17.W

6-10

BWillie 08-30-2010 02:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Laz (Post 6964965)
predict the wins,losses and record

<table class="data-table1" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="100%"> <tbody><tr class="thd2"><td>Wk</td> <td>Date</td> <td>Game</td> <td>Stadium</td> <td nowrap="true">Time (ET)</td> </tr> <tr class="tbdy1 " valign="top"> <td class="">1</td> <td nowrap="true"> Sep 13</td> <td nowrap="true">SD @ KC </td> <td>Arrowhead Stadium</td> <td>10:15 PM </td> </tr> <tr class="tbdy1 " valign="top"> <td class="">2</td> <td nowrap="true"> Sep 19</td> <td nowrap="true">KC @ CLE </td> <td>Cleveland Browns Stadium</td> <td>1:00 PM </td> </tr> <tr class="tbdy1 " valign="top"> <td class="">3</td> <td nowrap="true"> Sep 26</td> <td nowrap="true">SF @ KC </td> <td>Arrowhead Stadium</td> <td>1:00 PM </td> </tr> <tr class="tbdy1 " valign="top"> <td>4</td> <td>Bye</td> <td colspan="4">
</td> </tr> <tr class="tbdy1 " valign="top"> <td class="">5</td> <td nowrap="true"> Oct 10</td> <td nowrap="true">KC @ IND </td> <td>Lucas Oil Stadium</td> <td>1:00 PM </td> </tr> <tr class="tbdy1 " valign="top"> <td class="">6</td> <td nowrap="true"> Oct 17</td> <td nowrap="true">KC @ HOU </td> <td>Reliant Stadium</td> <td>1:00 PM </td> </tr> <tr class="tbdy1 " valign="top"> <td class="">7</td> <td nowrap="true"> Oct 24</td> <td nowrap="true">JAC @ KC </td> <td>Arrowhead Stadium</td> <td>1:00 PM </td> </tr> <tr class="tbdy1 " valign="top"> <td class="">8</td> <td nowrap="true"> Oct 31</td> <td nowrap="true">BUF @ KC </td> <td>Arrowhead Stadium</td> <td>1:00 PM </td> </tr> <tr class="tbdy1 " valign="top"> <td class="">9</td> <td nowrap="true"> Nov 07</td> <td nowrap="true">KC @ OAK </td> <td>Oakland Coliseum</td> <td>4:15 PM </td> </tr> <tr class="tbdy1 " valign="top"> <td class="">10</td> <td nowrap="true"> Nov 14</td> <td nowrap="true">KC @ DEN </td> <td>Invesco Field at Mile High</td> <td>4:05 PM </td> </tr> <tr class="tbdy1 " valign="top"> <td class="">11</td> <td nowrap="true"> Nov 21</td> <td nowrap="true">ARI @ KC </td> <td>Arrowhead Stadium</td> <td>1:00 PM </td> </tr> <tr class="tbdy1 " valign="top"> <td class="">12</td> <td nowrap="true"> Nov 28</td> <td nowrap="true">KC @ SEA </td> <td>Qwest Field</td> <td>4:05 PM </td> </tr> <tr class="tbdy1 " valign="top"> <td class="">13</td> <td nowrap="true"> Dec 05</td> <td nowrap="true">DEN @ KC </td> <td>Arrowhead Stadium</td> <td>1:00 PM </td> </tr> <tr class="tbdy1 " valign="top"> <td class="">14</td> <td nowrap="true"> Dec 12</td> <td nowrap="true">KC @ SD </td> <td>Qualcomm Stadium</td> <td>4:15 PM </td> </tr> <tr class="tbdy1 " valign="top"> <td class="">15</td> <td nowrap="true"> Dec 19</td> <td nowrap="true">KC @ STL </td> <td>Edward Jones Dome</td> <td>1:00 PM </td> </tr> <tr class="tbdy1 " valign="top"> <td class="">16</td> <td nowrap="true"> Dec 26</td> <td nowrap="true">TEN @ KC </td> <td>Arrowhead Stadium</td> <td>1:00 PM </td> </tr> <tr class="tbdy1 " valign="top"> <td class="">17</td> <td nowrap="true"> Jan 02</td> <td nowrap="true">OAK @ KC </td> <td>Arrowhead Stadium</td> <td>1:00 PM </td> </tr></tbody> </table>


L
W
L
L
L
W
W
L
L
L
W
W
L
W
L
W

Wins:@ Cleveland, Jacksonville, Buffalo, @ Seattle, Denver, @ St Louis, Oakland

7-9

CoMoChief 08-30-2010 02:55 PM

Wk1: SD @ KC - LOSE
Wk2: KC @ CLE - WIN
Wk3: SF @ KC - WIN
Wk4: BYE
Wk5: KC @ IND - LOSE
Wk6: KC @ HOU - LOSE
Wk7: JAC @ KC - WIN
Wk8: BUF @ KC - WIN
Wk9: KC @ OAK - LOSE
Wk10: KC @ DEN - LOSE
Wk11: ARI @ KC - WIN
Wk12: KC @ SEA - LOSE
Wk13: DEN @ KC - WIN
Wk14: KC @ SD - LOSE
Wk15: KC @ STL - WIN
Wk16: TEN @ KC - LOSE
Wk17: OAK @ KC - WIN

Overall Record 8-8

wasi 08-30-2010 03:02 PM

Wk1: SD @ KC - L
Wk2: KC @ CLE - W
Wk3: SF @ KC - L
Wk4: BYE
Wk5: KC @ IND - L
Wk6: KC @ HOU - L
Wk7: JAC @ KC - W
Wk8: BUF @ KC - W
Wk9: KC @ OAK - L
Wk10: KC @ DEN - L
Wk11: ARI @ KC - W
Wk12: KC @ SEA - W
Wk13: DEN @ KC - W
Wk14: KC @ SD - L
Wk15: KC @ STL - W
Wk16: TEN @ KC - L
Wk17: OAK @ KC - W

Overall Record 8-8

Great Expectations 08-30-2010 03:02 PM

Best Case Likely Case
W L
W L
W L
L L
L L
W W
W W
L L
L L
W W
W L
W W
L L
W W
W L
W W

11-5 6-10

Sweet Daddy Hate 08-30-2010 03:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bane_58 (Post 6964970)
1.L
2.W
3.L
4.WIN BABY!!!!!
5.L
6.L
7.L
8.W
9.L
10.L
11.W
12.L
13.W
14.L
15.W
16.L
17.W

6-10

ROFL

Bane 08-30-2010 03:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ROR (Post 6965003)
ROFL

I wanna believe with a little good luck here and there maybe we can get to 8 wins,but that same luck could be bad and we could win 4.ROFL

The Franchise 08-30-2010 03:10 PM

1 Sep 13 SD @ KC - WIN
2 Sep 19 KC @ CLE - WIN
3 Sep 26 SF @ KC - LOSS
4 Bye
5 Oct 10 KC @ IND - LOSS
6 Oct 17 KC @ HOU - LOSS
7 Oct 24 JAC @ KC - WIN
8 Oct 31 BUF @ KC - WIN
9 Nov 07 KC @ OAK - LOSS
10 Nov 14 KC @ DEN - LOSS
11 Nov 21 ARI @ KC - WIN
12 Nov 28 KC @ SEA - WIN
13 Dec 05 DEN @ KC - WIN
14 Dec 12 KC @ SD - LOSS
15 Dec 19 KC @ STL - WIN
16 Dec 26 TEN @ KC - LOSS
17 Jan 02 OAK @ KC - WIN

8-8 although Week 1 is a true homer pick because I'm going to be there. So technically it should be a loss and we'll go 7-9.

Sweet Daddy Hate 08-30-2010 03:14 PM

Wk1: SD @ KC - LOSE
Wk2: KC @ CLE - WIN
Wk3: SF @ KC - WIN
Wk4: BYE
Wk5: KC @ IND - LOSE
Wk6: KC @ HOU - LOSE
Wk7: JAC @ KC - LOSE
Wk8: BUF @ KC - WIN
Wk9: KC @ OAK - WIN.
Wk10: KC @ DEN - LOSE
Wk11: ARI @ KC - LOSE
Wk12: KC @ SEA - LOSE
Wk13: DEN @ KC - WIN
Wk14: KC @ SD - LOSE
Wk15: KC @ STL - WIN
Wk16: TEN @ KC - LOSE
Wk17: OAK @ KC - LOSE( we can't seem to beat them at home for several years now )

6-10, and draft a QB FTW!!!!:D

King_Chief_Fan 08-30-2010 03:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ROR (Post 6965032)
Wk1: SD @ KC - LOSE
Wk2: KC @ CLE - WIN
Wk3: SF @ KC - WIN
Wk4: BYE
Wk5: KC @ IND - LOSE
Wk6: KC @ HOU - LOSE
Wk7: JAC @ KC - win
Wk8: BUF @ KC - WIN
Wk9: KC @ OAK - WIN.
Wk10: KC @ DEN - LOSE
Wk11: ARI @ KC -win
Wk12: KC @ SEA - LOSE
Wk13: DEN @ KC - WIN
Wk14: KC @ SD - LOSE
Wk15: KC @ STL - WIN
Wk16: TEN @ KC - LOSE
Wk17: OAK @ KC - LOSE( we can't seem to beat them at home for several years now )

6-10, and draft a QB FTW!!!!:D

8-8...Chiefs beat Arizona and Jacksonville at home

talastan 08-30-2010 03:20 PM

7-9 and we get to hopefully look at one of the young QB's next draft. :grovel:

Hoover 08-30-2010 03:23 PM

Wk1: SD @ KC - LOSE
Wk2: KC @ CLE - WIN
Wk3: SF @ KC - LOSE
Wk4: BYE
Wk5: KC @ IND - LOSE
Wk6: KC @ HOU - LOSE
Wk7: JAC @ KC - WIN
Wk8: BUF @ KC - WIN
Wk9: KC @ OAK - WIN
Wk10: KC @ DEN - LOSE
Wk11: ARI @ KC -WIN
Wk12: KC @ SEA - WIN
Wk13: DEN @ KC - WIN
Wk14: KC @ SD - LOSE
Wk15: KC @ STL - WIN
Wk16: TEN @ KC - LOSE
Wk17: OAK @ KC - WIN

9-7

Sweet Daddy Hate 08-30-2010 03:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by King_Chief_Fan (Post 6965038)
8-8...Chiefs beat Arizona and Jacksonville at home

Az is still good enough to make us sweat, and that damned Jacksonville has ALWAYS been a thorn in our side.

BigRichard 08-30-2010 03:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Laz (Post 6964965)
predict the wins,losses and record

<table class="data-table1" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="100%"> <tbody><tr class="thd2"><td>Wk</td> <td>Date</td> <td>Game</td> <td>Stadium</td> <td nowrap="true">Time (ET)</td> </tr> <tr class="tbdy1 " valign="top"> <td class="">1</td> <td nowrap="true"> Sep 13</td> <td nowrap="true">SD @ KC </td> <td>Arrowhead Stadium</td> <td>10:15 PM </td> </tr> <tr class="tbdy1 " valign="top"> <td class="">2</td> <td nowrap="true"> Sep 19</td> <td nowrap="true">KC @ CLE </td> <td>Cleveland Browns Stadium</td> <td>1:00 PM </td> </tr> <tr class="tbdy1 " valign="top"> <td class="">3</td> <td nowrap="true"> Sep 26</td> <td nowrap="true">SF @ KC </td> <td>Arrowhead Stadium</td> <td>1:00 PM </td> </tr> <tr class="tbdy1 " valign="top"> <td>4</td> <td>Bye</td> <td colspan="4">
</td> </tr> <tr class="tbdy1 " valign="top"> <td class="">5</td> <td nowrap="true"> Oct 10</td> <td nowrap="true">KC @ IND </td> <td>Lucas Oil Stadium</td> <td>1:00 PM </td> </tr> <tr class="tbdy1 " valign="top"> <td class="">6</td> <td nowrap="true"> Oct 17</td> <td nowrap="true">KC @ HOU </td> <td>Reliant Stadium</td> <td>1:00 PM </td> </tr> <tr class="tbdy1 " valign="top"> <td class="">7</td> <td nowrap="true"> Oct 24</td> <td nowrap="true">JAC @ KC </td> <td>Arrowhead Stadium</td> <td>1:00 PM </td> </tr> <tr class="tbdy1 " valign="top"> <td class="">8</td> <td nowrap="true"> Oct 31</td> <td nowrap="true">BUF @ KC </td> <td>Arrowhead Stadium</td> <td>1:00 PM </td> </tr> <tr class="tbdy1 " valign="top"> <td class="">9</td> <td nowrap="true"> Nov 07</td> <td nowrap="true">KC @ OAK </td> <td>Oakland Coliseum</td> <td>4:15 PM </td> </tr> <tr class="tbdy1 " valign="top"> <td class="">10</td> <td nowrap="true"> Nov 14</td> <td nowrap="true">KC @ DEN </td> <td>Invesco Field at Mile High</td> <td>4:05 PM </td> </tr> <tr class="tbdy1 " valign="top"> <td class="">11</td> <td nowrap="true"> Nov 21</td> <td nowrap="true">ARI @ KC </td> <td>Arrowhead Stadium</td> <td>1:00 PM </td> </tr> <tr class="tbdy1 " valign="top"> <td class="">12</td> <td nowrap="true"> Nov 28</td> <td nowrap="true">KC @ SEA </td> <td>Qwest Field</td> <td>4:05 PM </td> </tr> <tr class="tbdy1 " valign="top"> <td class="">13</td> <td nowrap="true"> Dec 05</td> <td nowrap="true">DEN @ KC </td> <td>Arrowhead Stadium</td> <td>1:00 PM </td> </tr> <tr class="tbdy1 " valign="top"> <td class="">14</td> <td nowrap="true"> Dec 12</td> <td nowrap="true">KC @ SD </td> <td>Qualcomm Stadium</td> <td>4:15 PM </td> </tr> <tr class="tbdy1 " valign="top"> <td class="">15</td> <td nowrap="true"> Dec 19</td> <td nowrap="true">KC @ STL </td> <td>Edward Jones Dome</td> <td>1:00 PM </td> </tr> <tr class="tbdy1 " valign="top"> <td class="">16</td> <td nowrap="true"> Dec 26</td> <td nowrap="true">TEN @ KC </td> <td>Arrowhead Stadium</td> <td>1:00 PM </td> </tr> <tr class="tbdy1 " valign="top"> <td class="">17</td> <td nowrap="true"> Jan 02</td> <td nowrap="true">OAK @ KC </td> <td>Arrowhead Stadium</td> <td>1:00 PM </td> </tr></tbody> </table>

W
W
L
BYE
L
L
L
W
L
L
W
L
W
L
W
L
L

Looks like I am going with 6 wins.

Reerun_KC 08-30-2010 03:30 PM

6 or less wins and it's Cassel's fault...

7 or more wins and its in spite of Cassel.

Cassel has already ruined the season, I am ready for the offseason.

Bane 08-30-2010 03:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ROR (Post 6965061)
Az is still good enough to make us sweat, and that damned Jacksonville has ALWAYS been a thorn in our side.

Jacksonville always gives us hell.A far as AZ goes,maybe Dockett will get lost on all of those gravel/dirt roads in KC and not make it to the game.:#

OnTheWarpath15 08-30-2010 03:31 PM

I see a few games that I give us zero shot of winning, but I don't see any that I'd bet my life savings on as wins.

I see a lot of games against teams that should have no problem at all running the ball on us - which means we're in for a rough year.

Picking specific games as wins and losses now is kinda pointless, as we don't know the injury situation for the opponent now. But I think everything eventually balances out, and we finish with 6, maybe 7 wins.

Bugeater 08-30-2010 03:31 PM

4-12

<table class="data-table1" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="100%"><tbody><tr class="tbdy1 " valign="top"><td class="">1</td> <td nowrap="true"> Sep 13</td> <td nowrap="true">SD @ KC </td> <td>Arrowhead Stadium</td> <td>10:15 PM </td> </tr> <tr class="tbdy1 " valign="top"> <td class="">2</td> <td nowrap="true"> Sep 19</td> <td nowrap="true">KC @ CLE </td> <td>Cleveland Browns Stadium</td> <td>1:00 PM </td> </tr> <tr class="tbdy1 " valign="top"> <td class="">3</td> <td nowrap="true"> Sep 26</td> <td nowrap="true">SF @ KC </td> <td>Arrowhead Stadium</td> <td>1:00 PM </td> </tr> <tr class="tbdy1 " valign="top"> <td>4</td> <td>Bye</td> <td colspan="4">
</td> </tr> <tr class="tbdy1 " valign="top"> <td class="">5</td> <td nowrap="true"> Oct 10</td> <td nowrap="true">KC @ IND </td> <td>Lucas Oil Stadium</td> <td>1:00 PM </td> </tr> <tr class="tbdy1 " valign="top"> <td class="">6</td> <td nowrap="true"> Oct 17</td> <td nowrap="true">KC @ HOU </td> <td>Reliant Stadium</td> <td>1:00 PM </td> </tr> <tr class="tbdy1 " valign="top"> <td class="">7</td> <td nowrap="true"> Oct 24</td> <td nowrap="true">JAC @ KC </td> <td>Arrowhead Stadium</td> <td>1:00 PM W</td> </tr> <tr class="tbdy1 " valign="top"> <td class="">8</td> <td nowrap="true"> Oct 31</td> <td nowrap="true">BUF @ KC </td> <td>Arrowhead Stadium</td> <td>1:00 PM W
</td> </tr> <tr class="tbdy1 " valign="top"> <td class="">9</td> <td nowrap="true"> Nov 07</td> <td nowrap="true">KC @ OAK </td> <td>Oakland Coliseum</td> <td>4:15 PM </td> </tr> <tr class="tbdy1 " valign="top"> <td class="">10</td> <td nowrap="true"> Nov 14</td> <td nowrap="true">KC @ DEN </td> <td>Invesco Field at Mile High</td> <td>4:05 PM </td> </tr> <tr class="tbdy1 " valign="top"> <td class="">11</td> <td nowrap="true"> Nov 21</td> <td nowrap="true">ARI @ KC </td> <td>Arrowhead Stadium</td> <td>1:00 PM W
</td> </tr> <tr class="tbdy1 " valign="top"> <td class="">12</td> <td nowrap="true"> Nov 28</td> <td nowrap="true">KC @ SEA </td> <td>Qwest Field</td> <td>4:05 PM </td> </tr> <tr class="tbdy1 " valign="top"> <td class="">13</td> <td nowrap="true"> Dec 05</td> <td nowrap="true">DEN @ KC </td> <td>Arrowhead Stadium</td> <td>1:00 PM </td> </tr> <tr class="tbdy1 " valign="top"> <td class="">14</td> <td nowrap="true"> Dec 12</td> <td nowrap="true">KC @ SD </td> <td>Qualcomm Stadium</td> <td>4:15 PM </td> </tr> <tr class="tbdy1 " valign="top"> <td class="">15</td> <td nowrap="true"> Dec 19</td> <td nowrap="true">KC @ STL </td> <td>Edward Jones Dome</td> <td>1:00 PM W
</td> </tr> <tr class="tbdy1 " valign="top"> <td class="">16</td> <td nowrap="true"> Dec 26</td> <td nowrap="true">TEN @ KC </td> <td>Arrowhead Stadium</td> <td>1:00 PM </td> </tr> <tr class="tbdy1 " valign="top"> <td class="">17</td> <td nowrap="true"> Jan 02</td> <td nowrap="true">OAK @ KC </td> <td>Arrowhead Stadium</td> <td>1:00 PM
</td></tr></tbody></table>

boogblaster 08-30-2010 03:32 PM

1. W .. by fluke
2. W
3. W
4.
5. L
6. L
7. W
8. W
9. W
10. L
11. W
12. L
13. W
14. L
15. W
16. W
17.W

11-5 BABY

GO CHIEFS

Reerun_KC 08-30-2010 03:33 PM

Wk1: SD @ KC - Win
Wk2: KC @ CLE - Loss
Wk3: SF @ KC - Loss
Wk4: BYE
Wk5: KC @ IND - Loss
Wk6: KC @ HOU - Win
Wk7: JAC @ KC - Win
Wk8: BUF @ KC - Win
Wk9: KC @ OAK - LOSE
Wk10: KC @ DEN - Win
Wk11: ARI @ KC - Win
Wk12: KC @ SEA - Loss
Wk13: DEN @ KC - Loss
Wk14: KC @ SD - Loss
Wk15: KC @ STL - Win
Wk16: TEN @ KC - Loss
Wk17: OAK @ KC - WIN

8-8

Sweet Daddy Hate 08-30-2010 03:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reerun_KC (Post 6965076)
6 or less wins and it's Cassel's fault...

7 or more wins and its in spite of Cassel.

Cassel has already ruined the season, I am ready for the offseason.

LMAO You know, the whole "dead horse"-thing does in fact swing two ways, Sir.

DaFace 08-30-2010 03:37 PM

I think we'll have a good CHANCE at all of the ones in bold, but we'll undoubtedly drop a few of those, and we'll probably win one or two that we shouldn't have. Despite the number of bold items below, I predict 7-9.

Wk Date Game Stadium Time (ET)
1 Sep 13 SD @ KC Arrowhead Stadium 10:15 PM
2 Sep 19 KC @ CLE Cleveland Browns Stadium 1:00 PM
3 Sep 26 SF @ KC Arrowhead Stadium 1:00 PM
4 Bye
5 Oct 10 KC @ IND Lucas Oil Stadium 1:00 PM
6 Oct 17 KC @ HOU Reliant Stadium 1:00 PM
7 Oct 24 JAC @ KC Arrowhead Stadium 1:00 PM
8 Oct 31 BUF @ KC Arrowhead Stadium 1:00 PM

9 Nov 07 KC @ OAK Oakland Coliseum 4:15 PM
10 Nov 14 KC @ DEN Invesco Field at Mile High 4:05 PM
11 Nov 21 ARI @ KC Arrowhead Stadium 1:00 PM
12 Nov 28 KC @ SEA Qwest Field 4:05 PM
13 Dec 05 DEN @ KC Arrowhead Stadium 1:00 PM
14 Dec 12 KC @ SD Qualcomm Stadium 4:15 PM
15 Dec 19 KC @ STL Edward Jones Dome 1:00 PM
16 Dec 26 TEN @ KC Arrowhead Stadium 1:00 PM
17 Jan 02 OAK @ KC Arrowhead Stadium 1:00 PM

Sweet Daddy Hate 08-30-2010 03:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bugeater (Post 6965086)
4-12

<table class="data-table1" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="100%"><tbody><tr class="tbdy1 " valign="top"><td class="">1</td> <td nowrap="true"> Sep 13</td> <td nowrap="true">SD @ KC </td> <td>Arrowhead Stadium</td> <td>10:15 PM </td> </tr> <tr class="tbdy1 " valign="top"> <td class="">2</td> <td nowrap="true"> Sep 19</td> <td nowrap="true">KC @ CLE </td> <td>Cleveland Browns Stadium</td> <td>1:00 PM </td> </tr> <tr class="tbdy1 " valign="top"> <td class="">3</td> <td nowrap="true"> Sep 26</td> <td nowrap="true">SF @ KC </td> <td>Arrowhead Stadium</td> <td>1:00 PM </td> </tr> <tr class="tbdy1 " valign="top"> <td>4</td> <td>Bye</td> <td colspan="4">
</td> </tr> <tr class="tbdy1 " valign="top"> <td class="">5</td> <td nowrap="true"> Oct 10</td> <td nowrap="true">KC @ IND </td> <td>Lucas Oil Stadium</td> <td>1:00 PM </td> </tr> <tr class="tbdy1 " valign="top"> <td class="">6</td> <td nowrap="true"> Oct 17</td> <td nowrap="true">KC @ HOU </td> <td>Reliant Stadium</td> <td>1:00 PM </td> </tr> <tr class="tbdy1 " valign="top"> <td class="">7</td> <td nowrap="true"> Oct 24</td> <td nowrap="true">JAC @ KC </td> <td>Arrowhead Stadium</td> <td>1:00 PM W</td> </tr> <tr class="tbdy1 " valign="top"> <td class="">8</td> <td nowrap="true"> Oct 31</td> <td nowrap="true">BUF @ KC </td> <td>Arrowhead Stadium</td> <td>1:00 PM W
</td> </tr> <tr class="tbdy1 " valign="top"> <td class="">9</td> <td nowrap="true"> Nov 07</td> <td nowrap="true">KC @ OAK </td> <td>Oakland Coliseum</td> <td>4:15 PM </td> </tr> <tr class="tbdy1 " valign="top"> <td class="">10</td> <td nowrap="true"> Nov 14</td> <td nowrap="true">KC @ DEN </td> <td>Invesco Field at Mile High</td> <td>4:05 PM </td> </tr> <tr class="tbdy1 " valign="top"> <td class="">11</td> <td nowrap="true"> Nov 21</td> <td nowrap="true">ARI @ KC </td> <td>Arrowhead Stadium</td> <td>1:00 PM W
</td> </tr> <tr class="tbdy1 " valign="top"> <td class="">12</td> <td nowrap="true"> Nov 28</td> <td nowrap="true">KC @ SEA </td> <td>Qwest Field</td> <td>4:05 PM </td> </tr> <tr class="tbdy1 " valign="top"> <td class="">13</td> <td nowrap="true"> Dec 05</td> <td nowrap="true">DEN @ KC </td> <td>Arrowhead Stadium</td> <td>1:00 PM </td> </tr> <tr class="tbdy1 " valign="top"> <td class="">14</td> <td nowrap="true"> Dec 12</td> <td nowrap="true">KC @ SD </td> <td>Qualcomm Stadium</td> <td>4:15 PM </td> </tr> <tr class="tbdy1 " valign="top"> <td class="">15</td> <td nowrap="true"> Dec 19</td> <td nowrap="true">KC @ STL </td> <td>Edward Jones Dome</td> <td>1:00 PM W
</td> </tr> <tr class="tbdy1 " valign="top"> <td class="">16</td> <td nowrap="true"> Dec 26</td> <td nowrap="true">TEN @ KC </td> <td>Arrowhead Stadium</td> <td>1:00 PM </td> </tr> <tr class="tbdy1 " valign="top"> <td class="">17</td> <td nowrap="true"> Jan 02</td> <td nowrap="true">OAK @ KC </td> <td>Arrowhead Stadium</td> <td>1:00 PM
</td></tr></tbody></table>

Wow. Really? I guess it's not out of the realm of possibility...

Damn that Mark Castle.:evil:

JD10367 08-30-2010 03:37 PM

1 Sep 13 SD @ KC Arrowhead Stadium 10:15 PM WIN (it's game one, what the hell, why not)
2 Sep 19 KC @ CLE Cleveland Browns Stadium 1:00 PM WIN
3 Sep 26 SF @ KC Arrowhead Stadium 1:00 PM WIN
4 Bye

5 Oct 10 KC @ IND Lucas Oil Stadium 1:00 PM LOSS
6 Oct 17 KC @ HOU Reliant Stadium 1:00 PM LOSS
7 Oct 24 JAC @ KC Arrowhead Stadium 1:00 PM WIN
8 Oct 31 BUF @ KC Arrowhead Stadium 1:00 PM WIN
9 Nov 07 KC @ OAK Oakland Coliseum 4:15 PM WIN
10 Nov 14 KC @ DEN Invesco Field at Mile High 4:05 PM LOSS
11 Nov 21 ARI @ KC Arrowhead Stadium 1:00 PM WIN
12 Nov 28 KC @ SEA Qwest Field 4:05 PM WIN
13 Dec 05 DEN @ KC Arrowhead Stadium 1:00 PM WIN
14 Dec 12 KC @ SD Qualcomm Stadium 4:15 PM LOSS
15 Dec 19 KC @ STL Edward Jones Dome 1:00 PM WIN
16 Dec 26 TEN @ KC Arrowhead Stadium 1:00 PM WIN
17 Jan 02 OAK @ KC Arrowhead Stadium 1:00 PM WIN

12-4.

(Hey, what the hell. I bet I'm the only person who'll predict this, and if it happens I'll look like a frickin' GENIUS!) :D

The Franchise 08-30-2010 03:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reerun_KC (Post 6965076)
6 or less wins and it's Cassel's fault...

7 or more wins and its in spite of Cassel.

Cassel has already ruined the season, I am ready for the offseason.

Dude......so far you were the only one to bring this shit up.

DaneMcCloud 08-30-2010 03:39 PM

Wk1: SD @ KC - LOSE
Wk2: KC @ CLE -LOSE
Wk3: SF @ KC - LOSE
Wk4: BYE
Wk5: KC @ IND - LOSE
Wk6: KC @ HOU - LOSE
Wk7: JAC @ KC - WIN
Wk8: BUF @ KC - WIN
Wk9: KC @ OAK - LOSE
Wk10: KC @ DEN - LOSE
Wk11: ARI @ KC -WIN
Wk12: KC @ SEA - LOSE
Wk13: DEN @ KC - LOSE
Wk14: KC @ SD - LOSE
Wk15: KC @ STL - WIN
Wk16: TEN @ KC - LOSE
Wk17: OAK @ KC - LOSE

4-12

Wow, that's worse than I imagined. Hopefully, they'll sneak in a few more wins, maybe Denver.

3-5 at home and 1-7 on the road.

DaneMcCloud 08-30-2010 03:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 6965109)
Dude......so far you were the only one to bring this shit up.

That's because he doesn't anything of value to add but he likes to hear himself speak.

talastan 08-30-2010 03:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JD10367 (Post 6965106)
1 Sep 13 SD @ KC Arrowhead Stadium 10:15 PM WIN (it's game one, what the hell, why not)
2 Sep 19 KC @ CLE Cleveland Browns Stadium 1:00 PM WIN
3 Sep 26 SF @ KC Arrowhead Stadium 1:00 PM WIN
4 Bye

5 Oct 10 KC @ IND Lucas Oil Stadium 1:00 PM LOSS
6 Oct 17 KC @ HOU Reliant Stadium 1:00 PM LOSS
7 Oct 24 JAC @ KC Arrowhead Stadium 1:00 PM WIN
8 Oct 31 BUF @ KC Arrowhead Stadium 1:00 PM WIN
9 Nov 07 KC @ OAK Oakland Coliseum 4:15 PM WIN
10 Nov 14 KC @ DEN Invesco Field at Mile High 4:05 PM LOSS
11 Nov 21 ARI @ KC Arrowhead Stadium 1:00 PM WIN
12 Nov 28 KC @ SEA Qwest Field 4:05 PM WIN
13 Dec 05 DEN @ KC Arrowhead Stadium 1:00 PM WIN
14 Dec 12 KC @ SD Qualcomm Stadium 4:15 PM LOSS
15 Dec 19 KC @ STL Edward Jones Dome 1:00 PM WIN
16 Dec 26 TEN @ KC Arrowhead Stadium 1:00 PM WIN
17 Jan 02 OAK @ KC Arrowhead Stadium 1:00 PM WIN

12-4.

(Hey, what the hell. I bet I'm the only person who'll predict this, and if it happens I'll look like a frickin' GENIUS!) :D

Good point if you're going for homer, might as well go for KnowMo! :D

Bane 08-30-2010 03:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6965110)
Wk1: SD @ KC - LOSE
Wk2: KC @ CLE -LOSE
Wk3: SF @ KC - LOSE
Wk4: BYE
Wk5: KC @ IND - LOSE
Wk6: KC @ HOU - LOSE
Wk7: JAC @ KC - WIN
Wk8: BUF @ KC - WIN
Wk9: KC @ OAK - LOSE
Wk10: KC @ DEN - LOSE
Wk11: ARI @ KC -WIN
Wk12: KC @ SEA - LOSE
Wk13: DEN @ KC - LOSE
Wk14: KC @ SD - LOSE
Wk15: KC @ STL - WIN
Wk16: TEN @ KC - LOSE
Wk17: OAK @ KC - LOSE

4-12

Wow, that's worse than I imagined. Hopefully, they'll sneak in a few more wins, maybe Denver.

3-5 at home and 1-7 on the road.

Ahhh.I remember the good ole days when teams hated to come to Arrowhead.....:cuss:

Chief Chief 08-30-2010 03:46 PM

W
W
W
Bye
W
W
W
W
W
W
W
W
W
W
W
L *
W

* This is a loss due to one or more of the following: (1) this is a trap game, (2) our players relax due to it being the Christmas/Kwanzah/Hanukkah holiday weekend, and/or (3) Scott Pioli and Todd Haley execute the 2010 version of the 2009 Indy's successful suicide attempt on a perfect season by resting key performers.

15-1

BTW, if any of ya wanna hit on what I'm smoking, you're too late: it's all gone!!

JD10367 08-30-2010 03:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by talastan (Post 6965122)
Good point if you're going for homer, might as well go for KnowMo! :D

Okay, maybe 12-4 is a stretch. :) But, seriously, though, aside from the four losses I pegged as being incredibly tough, are there any teams on that schedule that scream "unwinnable"? Even teams like Jacksonville, Buffalo, Arizona, and Tennessee, I'd rate them as much more difficult wins if they were road games.

DaneMcCloud 08-30-2010 03:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bane_58 (Post 6965134)
Ahhh.I remember the good ole days when teams hated to come to Arrowhead.....:cuss:

In the 70's or 80's?

:D

chiefzilla1501 08-30-2010 03:49 PM

Wk1: SD @ KC - LOSE
Wk2: KC @ CLE -LOSE
Wk3: SF @ KC - WIN
Wk4: BYE
Wk5: KC @ IND - LOSE
Wk6: KC @ HOU - LOSE
Wk7: JAC @ KC - LOSE
Wk8: BUF @ KC - WIN
Wk9: KC @ OAK - LOSE
Wk10: KC @ DEN - LOSE
Wk11: ARI @ KC -WIN
Wk12: KC @ SEA - WIN
Wk13: DEN @ KC - WIN
Wk14: KC @ SD - LOSE
Wk15: KC @ STL - WIN
Wk16: TEN @ KC - LOSE
Wk17: OAK @ KC - WIN

7-9. But then, there are plenty of games where I believe playing just a little bit off could lead to a loss.

Bane 08-30-2010 03:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6965151)
In the 70's or 80's?

:D

Either way it's been to damned long!!!ROFL

DaneMcCloud 08-30-2010 03:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 6965154)
Wk1: SD @ KC - LOSE
Wk2: KC @ CLE -LOSE
Wk3: SF @ KC - WIN
Wk4: BYE
Wk5: KC @ IND - LOSE
Wk6: KC @ HOU - LOSE
Wk7: JAC @ KC - LOSE
Wk8: BUF @ KC - WIN
Wk9: KC @ OAK - LOSE
Wk10: KC @ DEN - LOSE
Wk11: ARI @ KC -WIN
Wk12: KC @ SEA - WIN
Wk13: DEN @ KC - WIN
Wk14: KC @ SD - LOSE
Wk15: KC @ STL - WIN
Wk16: TEN @ KC - LOSE
Wk17: OAK @ KC - WIN

7-9. But then, there are plenty of games where I believe playing just a little bit off could lead to a loss.

SF's a win, eh?

If that happened, I'd imagine that Mike Singletary would single-handedly destroy all of the new renovations at Arrowhead himself.

Unless San Francisco suffers a rash of injuries before Week 3, there is no way the Chiefs offense will score enough points to beat that 49er defense, let alone stop Frank Gore, Michael Crabtree and Vernon Davis.

DJ's left nut 08-30-2010 03:53 PM

Fine, steal my idea and do it more poorly than me:

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showt...hlight=lienart

repost

Quesadilla Joe 08-30-2010 03:55 PM

Wk1: SD @ KC - LOSE
Wk2: KC @ CLE - WIN
Wk3: SF @ KC - LOSE
Wk4: BYE
Wk5: KC @ IND - LOSE
Wk6: KC @ HOU - LOSE
Wk7: JAC @ KC - LOSE
Wk8: BUF @ KC - WIN
Wk9: KC @ OAK - LOSE
Wk10: KC @ DEN - LOSE
Wk11: ARI @ KC - LOSE
Wk12: KC @ SEA - WIN
Wk13: DEN @ KC - LOSE
Wk14: KC @ SD - LOSE
Wk15: KC @ STL - WIN
Wk16: TEN @ KC - LOSE
Wk17: OAK @ KC - WIN

Overall Record 5-11

KCFalcon59 08-30-2010 03:55 PM

Wk1: SD @ KC - LOSS
Wk2: KC @ CLE - LOSS
Wk3: SF @ KC - LOSS
Wk4: BYE
Wk5: KC @ IND - LOSS
Wk6: KC @ HOU - LOSS
Wk7: JAC @ KC - WIN
Wk8: BUF @ KC - WIN
Wk9: KC @ OAK - LOSS
Wk10: KC @ DEN - LOSS
Wk11: ARI @ KC - WIN
Wk12: KC @ SEA - LOSS
Wk13: DEN @ KC - WIN
Wk14: KC @ SD - LOSS
Wk15: KC @ STL - WIN
Wk16: TEN @ KC - LOSS
Wk17: OAK @ KC - WIN

6-10.

Bane 08-30-2010 03:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6965172)
SF's a win, eh?

If that happened, I'd imagine that Mike Singletary would single-handedly destroy all of the new renovations at Arrowhead himself.

Unless San Francisco suffers a rash of injuries before Week 3, there is no way the Chiefs offense will score enough points to beat that 49er defense, let alone stop Frank Gore, Michael Crabtree and Vernon Davis.

After our little debate about KC vs San Fran the other day.....I watched them play and watched us play.:eek:ROFL:spock::doh!::shake:.....Yeah I honestly look for that to be a good old fashioned ass whoopin for KC.:shake:Hell they may even take the west.Definitely looking like Mike is taking them in the right direction.

chiefzilla1501 08-30-2010 03:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6965172)
SF's a win, eh?

If that happened, I'd imagine that Mike Singletary would single-handedly destroy all of the new renovations at Arrowhead himself.

Unless San Francisco suffers a rash of injuries before Week 3, there is no way the Chiefs offense will score enough points to beat that 49er defense, let alone stop Frank Gore, Michael Crabtree and Vernon Davis.

I'm second-guessing myself on that one, actually. I don't think their defense is nearly as good as advertised, though. Their points-per-game is pretty legit, but you also have to keep in mind that they played a lot of really shitty offensive teams last year. I think I could easily switch that to a loss and say 6-10, which is what I was thinking for the CHiefs anyway.

DaneMcCloud 08-30-2010 04:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bane_58 (Post 6965192)
After our little debate about KC vs San Fran the other day.....I watched them play and watched us play.:eek:ROFL:spock::doh!::shake:.....Yeah I honestly look for that to be a good old fashioned ass whoopin for KC.:shake:Hell they may even take the west.Definitely looking like Mike is taking them in the right direction.

I was skeptical of Singletary's coaching abilities a few years back because he had to beg Brian Billick to become a member of his coaching staff. He followed Mike Nolan to San Francisco but I wasn't sure if that was because of their affiliation or because he was a legitimate NFL coach.

I think that question has now been answered and truly think he'll have San Fran consistently competing in the foreseeable future.

DaneMcCloud 08-30-2010 04:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 6965195)
I'm second-guessing myself on that one, actually. I don't think their defense is nearly as good as advertised, though. Their points-per-game is pretty legit, but you also have to keep in mind that they played a lot of really shitty offensive teams last year. I think I could easily switch that to a loss and say 6-10, which is what I was thinking for the CHiefs anyway.

Patrick Willis will each our offensive line alive.

Bugeater 08-30-2010 04:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ROR (Post 6965105)
Wow. Really? I guess it's not out of the realm of possibility...

Damn that Mark Castle.:evil:

Until proven otherwise, I'm going to assume we still suck.

ToxSocks 08-30-2010 04:09 PM

Wk1: SD @ KC - LOSS
Wk2: KC @ CLE - WIN
Wk3: SF @ KC - LOSS
Wk4: BYE
Wk5: KC @ IND - LOSS
Wk6: KC @ HOU - LOSS
Wk7: JAC @ KC - WIN
Wk8: BUF @ KC - WIN
Wk9: KC @ OAK - LOSS
Wk10: KC @ DEN - WIN
Wk11: ARI @ KC - WIN
Wk12: KC @ SEA - LOSS
Wk13: DEN @ KC - LOSS
Wk14: KC @ SD - LOSS
Wk15: KC @ STL - WIN
Wk16: TEN @ KC - LOSS
Wk17: OAK @ KC - WIN

7-9

-King- 08-30-2010 04:12 PM

Wk Date Game Stadium Time (ET)
1 Sep 13 SD @ KC Arrowhead Stadium 10:15 PM
2 Sep 19 KC @ CLE Cleveland Browns Stadium 1:00 PM
3 Sep 26 SF @ KC Arrowhead Stadium 1:00 PM
4 Bye
5 Oct 10 KC @ IND Lucas Oil Stadium 1:00 PM
6 Oct 17 KC @ HOU Reliant Stadium 1:00 PM
7 Oct 24 JAC @ KC Arrowhead Stadium 1:00 PM
8 Oct 31 BUF @ KC Arrowhead Stadium 1:00 PM
9 Nov 07 KC @ OAK Oakland Coliseum 4:15 PM
10 Nov 14 KC @ DEN Invesco Field at Mile High 4:05 PM
11 Nov 21 ARI @ KC Arrowhead Stadium 1:00 PM
12 Nov 28 KC @ SEA Qwest Field 4:05 PM
13 Dec 05 DEN @ KC Arrowhead Stadium 1:00 PM
14 Dec 12 KC @ SD Qualcomm Stadium 4:15 PM
15 Dec 19 KC @ STL Edward Jones Dome 1:00 PM
16 Dec 26 TEN @ KC Arrowhead Stadium 1:00 PM
17 Jan 02 OAK @ KC Arrowhead Stadium 1:00 PM

Probably 8-8 but the homer in me told me to bold the SD MNF game.

the Talking Can 08-30-2010 04:12 PM

Wk1: SD @ KC - LOSS
Wk2: KC @ CLE - win
Wk3: SF @ KC - LOSS
Wk4: BYE
Wk5: KC @ IND - LOSS
Wk6: KC @ HOU - LOSS
Wk7: JAC @ KC - WIN
Wk8: BUF @ KC - WIN
Wk9: KC @ OAK - LOSS
Wk10: KC @ DEN - LOSS
Wk11: ARI @ KC - WIN
Wk12: KC @ SEA - LOSS
Wk13: DEN @ KC - WIN
Wk14: KC @ SD - LOSS
Wk15: KC @ STL - WIN
Wk16: TEN @ KC - LOSS
Wk17: OAK @ KC - loss

6-10


i haven't picked us to win more than 6 for awhile, and I won't until they actually do it....i need proof...

-King- 08-30-2010 04:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6965204)
Patrick Willis will each our offensive line alive.

Bad enough that he'll eat our O-line alive...but each it?

DaneMcCloud 08-30-2010 04:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KcChiefsKing (Post 6965229)
2 Sep 19 KC @ CLE Cleveland Browns Stadium 1:00 PM

What has changed for the Chiefs that you expect them to go into Cleveland and beat them?

They were gashed for 300 yards on the ground in Week 16. What do you think has changed for this defense?

DaneMcCloud 08-30-2010 04:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KcChiefsKing (Post 6965231)
Bad enough that he'll eat our O-line alive...but each it?

That's right

chiefzilla1501 08-30-2010 04:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6965201)
I was skeptical of Singletary's coaching abilities a few years back because he had to beg Brian Billick to become a member of his coaching staff. He followed Mike Nolan to San Francisco but I wasn't sure if that was because of their affiliation or because he was a legitimate NFL coach.

I think that question has now been answered and truly think he'll have San Fran consistently competing in the foreseeable future.

Maybe so. But he has to prove it. Going 8-8 in a division that's amazingly not only worse than the AFC West, but significantly worse... that aien't gonna cut it.

DaneMcCloud 08-30-2010 04:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 6965238)
Maybe so. But he has to prove it. Going 8-8 in a division that's amazingly not only worse than the AFC West, but significantly worse... that aien't gonna cut it.

He HAS been proving it since the day he took over.

He completely changed the culture there, with Vernon Davis as a prime example. Also, he didn't berate Michael Crabtree for missing the first six weeks of the season and all of training camp. Instead, he talked to him weekly and was very encouraging.

Singletary is going to be a serious winner in the NFL.

OnTheWarpath15 08-30-2010 04:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6965235)
What has changed for the Chiefs that you expect them to go into Cleveland and beat them?

They were gashed for 300 yards on the ground in Week 16. What do you think has changed for this defense?

LMAO

No kidding.

I said as much in the other thread. The only rush offense I think we can stop is Indy's, and they don't need to run the ball. Houston won't need to run the ball against us, either - though I think they can.

Buffalo and Cleveland gouged us last year.

We face them again, along with Mathews, Gore, MJD, Wells, Bush, Moreno, Forsett, Jackson and CJ.

Ugly.

BryanBusby 08-30-2010 04:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Laz (Post 6964965)
predict the wins,losses and record

<table class="data-table1" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="100%"> <tbody><tr class="thd2"><td>Wk</td> <td>Date</td> <td>Game</td> <td>Stadium</td> <td nowrap="true">Time (ET)</td> </tr> <tr class="tbdy1 " valign="top"> <td class="">1</td> <td nowrap="true"> Sep 13</td> <td nowrap="true">SD @ KC </td> <td>Arrowhead Stadium</td> <td>10:15 PM </td> </tr> <tr class="tbdy1 " valign="top"> <td class="">2</td> <td nowrap="true"> Sep 19</td> <td nowrap="true">KC @ CLE </td> <td>Cleveland Browns Stadium</td> <td>1:00 PM </td> </tr> <tr class="tbdy1 " valign="top"> <td class="">3</td> <td nowrap="true"> Sep 26</td> <td nowrap="true">SF @ KC </td> <td>Arrowhead Stadium</td> <td>1:00 PM </td> </tr> <tr class="tbdy1 " valign="top"> <td>4</td> <td>Bye</td> <td colspan="4">
</td> </tr> <tr class="tbdy1 " valign="top"> <td class="">5</td> <td nowrap="true"> Oct 10</td> <td nowrap="true">KC @ IND </td> <td>Lucas Oil Stadium</td> <td>1:00 PM </td> </tr> <tr class="tbdy1 " valign="top"> <td class="">6</td> <td nowrap="true"> Oct 17</td> <td nowrap="true">KC @ HOU </td> <td>Reliant Stadium</td> <td>1:00 PM </td> </tr> <tr class="tbdy1 " valign="top"> <td class="">7</td> <td nowrap="true"> Oct 24</td> <td nowrap="true">JAC @ KC </td> <td>Arrowhead Stadium</td> <td>1:00 PM </td> </tr> <tr class="tbdy1 " valign="top"> <td class="">8</td> <td nowrap="true"> Oct 31</td> <td nowrap="true">BUF @ KC </td> <td>Arrowhead Stadium</td> <td>1:00 PM </td> </tr> <tr class="tbdy1 " valign="top"> <td class="">9</td> <td nowrap="true"> Nov 07</td> <td nowrap="true">KC @ OAK </td> <td>Oakland Coliseum</td> <td>4:15 PM </td> </tr> <tr class="tbdy1 " valign="top"> <td class="">10</td> <td nowrap="true"> Nov 14</td> <td nowrap="true">KC @ DEN </td> <td>Invesco Field at Mile High</td> <td>4:05 PM </td> </tr> <tr class="tbdy1 " valign="top"> <td class="">11</td> <td nowrap="true"> Nov 21</td> <td nowrap="true">ARI @ KC </td> <td>Arrowhead Stadium</td> <td>1:00 PM </td> </tr> <tr class="tbdy1 " valign="top"> <td class="">12</td> <td nowrap="true"> Nov 28</td> <td nowrap="true">KC @ SEA </td> <td>Qwest Field</td> <td>4:05 PM </td> </tr> <tr class="tbdy1 " valign="top"> <td class="">13</td> <td nowrap="true"> Dec 05</td> <td nowrap="true">DEN @ KC </td> <td>Arrowhead Stadium</td> <td>1:00 PM </td> </tr> <tr class="tbdy1 " valign="top"> <td class="">14</td> <td nowrap="true"> Dec 12</td> <td nowrap="true">KC @ SD </td> <td>Qualcomm Stadium</td> <td>4:15 PM </td> </tr> <tr class="tbdy1 " valign="top"> <td class="">15</td> <td nowrap="true"> Dec 19</td> <td nowrap="true">KC @ STL </td> <td>Edward Jones Dome</td> <td>1:00 PM </td> </tr> <tr class="tbdy1 " valign="top"> <td class="">16</td> <td nowrap="true"> Dec 26</td> <td nowrap="true">TEN @ KC </td> <td>Arrowhead Stadium</td> <td>1:00 PM </td> </tr> <tr class="tbdy1 " valign="top"> <td class="">17</td> <td nowrap="true"> Jan 02</td> <td nowrap="true">OAK @ KC </td> <td>Arrowhead Stadium</td> <td>1:00 PM </td> </tr></tbody> </table>

L
L
L
L (hell yes, lose the bye week!)
L
L
L
L
L
L
L
L
L
L
L
L
L

Perfect Season!!!!! :)

-King- 08-30-2010 04:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6965235)
What has changed for the Chiefs that you expect them to go into Cleveland and beat them?

They were gashed for 300 yards on the ground in Week 16. What do you think has changed for this defense?

So? Jarome Harrison is not going to get damn near 300 yards on us again.

And nothing has changed really since we beat the Steelers. So we can beat them again by your logic?

chiefzilla1501 08-30-2010 04:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6965235)
What has changed for the Chiefs that you expect them to go into Cleveland and beat them?

They were gashed for 300 yards on the ground in Week 16. What do you think has changed for this defense?

Quite a bit, actually. Magee/Gilberry were getting absolutely manhandled that game. Bringing Dorsey back will help considerably. Berry at Strong Safety is going to help us significantly, particularly in limiting the big play. The playcalling will be a lot better (don't know how good Romeo is, but it's a clear upgrade over Pendergast) and we'll at least make adjustments that keep us from getting gashed from the same play repeatedly.

I still have this as a loss, though, because the Browns can pass the ball this year and I think they have a decent defense. They're going to be better than a lot of people think.

DaneMcCloud 08-30-2010 04:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KcChiefsKing (Post 6965255)
So? Jarome Harrison is not going to get damn near 300 yards on us again.

Why not? How has the Chiefs front seven improved to the point where they won't be giving up a massive amount of rushing yardage?

Has Cleveland not improved their squad, either?

Quote:

Originally Posted by KcChiefsKing (Post 6965255)
And nothing has changed really since we beat the Steelers. So we can beat them again by your logic?

The Chiefs don't have a shot in hell to beat the Steelers with a healthy Polamalu (who didn't play that day) or a healthy Roethlisberger.

OnTheWarpath15 08-30-2010 04:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KcChiefsKing (Post 6965255)
So? Jarome Harrison is not going to get damn near 300 yards on us again.

And nothing has changed really since we beat the Steelers. So we can beat them again by your logic?

One, we're not playing the Steelers.

But to answer the question more broadly, if any team is asleep at the wheel come that given Sunday, then sure, we can win.

As much as I enjoyed that win, realistically, it was a perfect storm.

We played about as well as we were capable of playing, and Pittsburgh played about as bad as they were capable of playing.

That's going to have to happen several times for this team to win more than 6 games, IMO.

DaneMcCloud 08-30-2010 04:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 6965261)
Quite a bit, actually. Magee/Gilberry were getting absolutely manhandled that game. Bringing Dorsey back will help considerably. Berry at Strong Safety is going to help us significantly, particularly in limiting the big play. The playcalling will be a lot better (don't know how good Romeo is, but it's a clear upgrade over Pendergast) and we'll at least make adjustments that keep us from getting gashed from the same play repeatedly.

I still have this as a loss, though, because the Browns can pass the ball this year and I think they have a decent defense. They're going to be better than a lot of people think.

Well, this a part of the problem for the Chiefs, probably their second biggest problem behind QB: They have no depth. They don't have a legit NT and their DE's are average on a good day and well below average on a normal day.

Hali is a liability against run, as is DJ. This team will routinely give up HUGE rushing yardage this season because they just cannot stop anyone on the ground.

Sweet Daddy Hate 08-30-2010 04:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6965235)
What has changed for the Chiefs that you expect them to go into Cleveland and beat them?

They were gashed for 300 yards on the ground in Week 16. What do you think has changed for this defense?

Eric Berry FTW. :D

RedThat 08-30-2010 04:28 PM

Wk Date Game
1 Sep 13 SD @ KC L
2 Sep 19 KC @ CLE W
3 Sep 26 SF @ KC L
4 Bye
5 Oct 10 KC @ IND L
6 Oct 17 KC @ HOU L
7 Oct 24 JAC @ KC L
8 Oct 31 BUF @ KC L
9 Nov 07 KC @ OAK W
10 Nov 14 KC @ DEN L
11 Nov 21 ARI @ KC W
12 Nov 28 KC @ SEA L
13 Dec 05 DEN @ KC W
14 Dec 12 KC @ SD L
15 Dec 19 KC @ STL W
16 Dec 26 TEN @ KC L
17 Jan 02 OAK @ KC W

6-10

OnTheWarpath15 08-30-2010 04:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 6965261)
Quite a bit, actually. Magee/Gilberry were getting absolutely manhandled that game. Bringing Dorsey back will help considerably. Berry at Strong Safety is going to help us significantly, particularly in limiting the big play. The playcalling will be a lot better (don't know how good Romeo is, but it's a clear upgrade over Pendergast) and we'll at least make adjustments that keep us from getting gashed from the same play repeatedly.

I still have this as a loss, though, because the Browns can pass the ball this year and I think they have a decent defense. They're going to be better than a lot of people think.

I'm so sick of hearing the Dorsey excuse.

You conveniently forget the rush totals against us when Dorsey WAS in the lineup:

198 to Baltimore
156 to the Giants
150 to Dallas
118 to Washington
135 to San Diego
173 to Jacksonville
182 to Oakland
114 to Pittsburgh
245 to Denver
200 to Buffalo
144 to Cincinnati

FlaChief58 08-30-2010 04:29 PM

L
W
W
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L
L
W
W
W
L
W
L
W
L
W
L
W


Question mark the jag game, could go either way. Based on that, best case 8-8 to 9-7


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Originally Posted by Laz (Post 6964965)
predict the wins,losses and record

<table class="data-table1" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="100%"> <tbody><tr class="thd2"><td>Wk</td> <td>Date</td> <td>Game</td> <td>Stadium</td> <td nowrap="true">Time (ET)</td> </tr> <tr class="tbdy1 " valign="top"> <td class="">1</td> <td nowrap="true"> Sep 13</td> <td nowrap="true">SD @ KC </td> <td>Arrowhead Stadium</td> <td>10:15 PM </td> </tr> <tr class="tbdy1 " valign="top"> <td class="">2</td> <td nowrap="true"> Sep 19</td> <td nowrap="true">KC @ CLE </td> <td>Cleveland Browns Stadium</td> <td>1:00 PM </td> </tr> <tr class="tbdy1 " valign="top"> <td class="">3</td> <td nowrap="true"> Sep 26</td> <td nowrap="true">SF @ KC </td> <td>Arrowhead Stadium</td> <td>1:00 PM </td> </tr> <tr class="tbdy1 " valign="top"> <td>4</td> <td>Bye</td> <td colspan="4">
</td> </tr> <tr class="tbdy1 " valign="top"> <td class="">5</td> <td nowrap="true"> Oct 10</td> <td nowrap="true">KC @ IND </td> <td>Lucas Oil Stadium</td> <td>1:00 PM </td> </tr> <tr class="tbdy1 " valign="top"> <td class="">6</td> <td nowrap="true"> Oct 17</td> <td nowrap="true">KC @ HOU </td> <td>Reliant Stadium</td> <td>1:00 PM </td> </tr> <tr class="tbdy1 " valign="top"> <td class="">7</td> <td nowrap="true"> Oct 24</td> <td nowrap="true">JAC @ KC </td> <td>Arrowhead Stadium</td> <td>1:00 PM </td> </tr> <tr class="tbdy1 " valign="top"> <td class="">8</td> <td nowrap="true"> Oct 31</td> <td nowrap="true">BUF @ KC </td> <td>Arrowhead Stadium</td> <td>1:00 PM </td> </tr> <tr class="tbdy1 " valign="top"> <td class="">9</td> <td nowrap="true"> Nov 07</td> <td nowrap="true">KC @ OAK </td> <td>Oakland Coliseum</td> <td>4:15 PM </td> </tr> <tr class="tbdy1 " valign="top"> <td class="">10</td> <td nowrap="true"> Nov 14</td> <td nowrap="true">KC @ DEN </td> <td>Invesco Field at Mile High</td> <td>4:05 PM </td> </tr> <tr class="tbdy1 " valign="top"> <td class="">11</td> <td nowrap="true"> Nov 21</td> <td nowrap="true">ARI @ KC </td> <td>Arrowhead Stadium</td> <td>1:00 PM </td> </tr> <tr class="tbdy1 " valign="top"> <td class="">12</td> <td nowrap="true"> Nov 28</td> <td nowrap="true">KC @ SEA </td> <td>Qwest Field</td> <td>4:05 PM </td> </tr> <tr class="tbdy1 " valign="top"> <td class="">13</td> <td nowrap="true"> Dec 05</td> <td nowrap="true">DEN @ KC </td> <td>Arrowhead Stadium</td> <td>1:00 PM </td> </tr> <tr class="tbdy1 " valign="top"> <td class="">14</td> <td nowrap="true"> Dec 12</td> <td nowrap="true">KC @ SD </td> <td>Qualcomm Stadium</td> <td>4:15 PM </td> </tr> <tr class="tbdy1 " valign="top"> <td class="">15</td> <td nowrap="true"> Dec 19</td> <td nowrap="true">KC @ STL </td> <td>Edward Jones Dome</td> <td>1:00 PM </td> </tr> <tr class="tbdy1 " valign="top"> <td class="">16</td> <td nowrap="true"> Dec 26</td> <td nowrap="true">TEN @ KC </td> <td>Arrowhead Stadium</td> <td>1:00 PM </td> </tr> <tr class="tbdy1 " valign="top"> <td class="">17</td> <td nowrap="true"> Jan 02</td> <td nowrap="true">OAK @ KC </td> <td>Arrowhead Stadium</td> <td>1:00 PM </td> </tr></tbody> </table>


Titty Meat 08-30-2010 04:29 PM

1 Sep 13 SD @ KC Loss
2 Sep 19 KC @ CLE Loss
3 Sep 26 SF @ KC Win
4 Bye

5 Oct 10 KC @ IND Loss
6 Oct 17 KC @ HOU Loss
7 Oct 24 JAC @ KC Loss
8 Oct 31 BUF @ KC Win
9 Nov 07 KC @ OAK Win
10 Nov 14 KC @ DEN Loss
11 Nov 21 ARI @ KC Loss
12 Nov 28 KC @ SEA Win
13 Dec 05 DEN @ KC Win
14 Dec 12 KC @ SD Loss
15 Dec 19 KC @ STL Loss
16 Dec 26 TEN @ KC Loss
17 Jan 02 OAK @ KC Win


Doubtful they sweep Oakland you could replace 1 of the wins vs Okaland and with Arizona. 6-10.

DaneMcCloud 08-30-2010 04:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flachief58 (Post 6965275)
Question mark the jag game, could go either way. Based on that, best case 8-8 to 9-7

Crack is a helluva drug

-King- 08-30-2010 04:30 PM

**** it. We're going winless. Every runningback is going to rush for 300 against us.

OnTheWarpath15 08-30-2010 04:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6965264)
Why not? How has the Chiefs front seven improved to the point where they won't be giving up a massive amount of rushing yardage?

Has Cleveland not improved their squad, either?

No, Dane. Only the Chiefs were allowed to "improve" this offseason



Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6965264)
Chiefs don't have a shot in hell to beat the Steelers with a healthy Polamalu (who didn't play that day) or a healthy Roethlisberger.

QFT, though Ben didn't get hurt until late. They just didn't play anywhere near their potential that day, and missing Troy surely didn't help.

DaneMcCloud 08-30-2010 04:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KcChiefsKing (Post 6965279)
**** it. We're going winless. Every runningback is going to rush for 300 against us.

Considering that four teams last year put up more than 200 yards on the ground and given the fact that the Chiefs did nothing to address that fact, you may be very surprised at how many games they lose this year to teams that can run the ball effectively.

Hence a possible 1-7 start.

Titty Meat 08-30-2010 04:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6965282)
Considering that four teams last year put up more than 200 yards on the ground and given the fact that the Chiefs did nothing to address that fact, you may be very surprised at how many games their lose this year to teams that can run the ball.

Indeed this team was a franchise NT or QB away from being an 8-8 or 9-7 team this year. Guess we'll have something to hang our hat on :D

-King- 08-30-2010 04:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6965282)
Considering that four teams last year put up more than 200 yards on the ground and given the fact that the Chiefs did nothing to address that fact, you may be very surprised at how many games they lose this year to teams that can run the ball effectively.

Hence a possible 1-7 start.

Wanna bet on it? :D

All your money vs mine.

chiefzilla1501 08-30-2010 04:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6965267)
Well, this a part of the problem for the Chiefs, probably their second biggest problem behind QB: They have no depth. They don't have a legit NT and their DE's are average on a good day and well below average on a normal day.

Hali is a liability against run, as is DJ. This team will routinely give up HUGE rushing yardage this season because they just cannot stop anyone on the ground.

Depth is undoubtedly a big problem. But better than last year? Yeah. Shaun Smith is better depth than having nobody (how a team goes through an entire half of a season without a backup NT is headscratching). Gilberry is emerging as a pretty dangerous pass specialist. We will likely have better depth in our secondary by allowing Arenas to match up against slot receivers. And you would hope that this season, you'll start to see Studebaker become featured in a lot more pass plays (or just in general).

I don't think we'll routinely give up big yards. Our biggest problem last year was giving up the big play and I think we'll cut those down significantly. Apart from that ****-up on the McCoy 18-yard run, I thought it was one of the most disciplined games I've seen in a long time with our D-line. They finally were starting to get their gap assignments right, even if they weren't getting a ton of push. That to me, more than anything, was a major reason we were finally getting pressure on the QB when we chose to blitz.

OnTheWarpath15 08-30-2010 04:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by billay (Post 6965285)
Indeed this team was a franchise NT or QB away from being an 8-8 or 9-7 team this year. Guess we'll have something to hang our hat on :D

Had they taken Daryl Washington (who's flashing in Arizona) and Cody in R2, I have no doubts they would have won 8 or more games, even with Cassel as the QB.

keg in kc 08-30-2010 04:38 PM

Wk1: SD @ KC - win
Wk2: KC @ CLE - loss
Wk3: SF @ KC - win
Wk4: BYE
Wk5: KC @ IND - loss
Wk6: KC @ HOU - loss
Wk7: JAC @ KC - win
Wk8: BUF @ KC - win
Wk9: KC @ OAK - win
Wk10: KC @ DEN - win
Wk11: ARI @ KC - win
Wk12: KC @ SEA - loss
Wk13: DEN @ KC - win
Wk14: KC @ SD - loss
Wk15: KC @ STL - loss
Wk16: TEN @ KC - loss
Wk17: OAK @ KC - win

8-8. About where I expect. Most of their wins will have to come at home. I don't see many winnable road games. Think their lower limit for the season is 6-10, their upper 9-7.

DaneMcCloud 08-30-2010 04:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 6965289)
Depth is undoubtedly a big problem. But better than last year? Yeah. Shaun Smith is better depth than having nobody (how a team goes through an entire half of a season without a backup NT is headscratching). Gilberry is emerging as a pretty dangerous pass specialist. We will likely have better depth in our secondary by allowing Arenas to match up against slot receivers. And you would hope that this season, you'll start to see Studebaker become featured in a lot more pass plays (or just in general).

I don't think we'll routinely give up big yards. Our biggest problem last year was giving up the big play and I think we'll cut those down significantly. Apart from that ****-up on the McCoy 18-yard run, I thought it was one of the most disciplined games I've seen in a long time with our D-line. They finally were starting to get their gap assignments right, even if they weren't getting a ton of push. That to me, more than anything, was a major reason we were finally getting pressure on the QB when we chose to blitz.

Sorry, I don't see and I don't agree. This defense, featuring FOUR number one draft choices, is ****ing awful. AWFUL. They have no legitimate, consistent pass rushers, NO legit NT's, weak DE's and no depth.

Teams like Cleveland, San Diego, San Fran, Houston and Jacksonville will pummel the Chiefs with their running games. Indy won't need to pummel them because the slow defense will be so exhausted by the fourth quarter from trying to get to Peyton Manning all day that it should be an easy win for them.

chiefzilla1501 08-30-2010 04:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6965295)
Had they taken Daryl Washington (who's flashing in Arizona) and Cody in R2, I have no doubts they would have won 8 or more games, even with Cassel as the QB.

I will take a playmaker over a 3-4 ILB any day of the week.

Neither of these guys were going to make the CHiefs an 8-win team. Especially not Washington.

DaneMcCloud 08-30-2010 04:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6965295)
Had they taken Daryl Washington (who's flashing in Arizona) and Cody in R2, I have no doubts they would have won 8 or more games, even with Cassel as the QB.

Yeah but then we wouldn't have a kick returner!

LMAO

Titty Meat 08-30-2010 04:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6965295)
Had they taken Daryl Washington (who's flashing in Arizona) and Cody in R2, I have no doubts they would have won 8 or more games, even with Cassel as the QB.

Man i've watched Washington play every pre-season game he really is impressive. He also would have added team speed don't worry the lack of speed is really going to show this year too. Crennel is going to have to run blitz Berry every ****ing play.

Titty Meat 08-30-2010 04:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6965300)
Yeah but then we would have a kick returner!

LMAO

Brandon Banks looks like a pretty good returner and wasn't even drafted. Gotta wonder were the local scouts were all year.

Mr. Flopnuts 08-30-2010 04:43 PM

I think this defense will have improved enough for us to win 6-8 games depending on injuries, progression, etc. By the end of the year I predict Chiefs management will realize they need a legitimate quarterback and will have won too many games to draft one without a major move up the draft board. So, who's going to be a free agent next year? :rolleyes:

chiefzilla1501 08-30-2010 04:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6965298)
Sorry, I don't see and I don't agree. This defense, featuring FOUR number one draft choices, is ****ing awful. AWFUL. They have no legitimate, consistent pass rushers, NO legit NT's, weak DE's and no depth.

Teams like Cleveland, San Diego, San Fran, Houston and Jacksonville will pummel the Chiefs with their running games. Indy won't need to pummel them because the slow defense will be so exhausted by the fourth quarter from trying to get to Peyton Manning all day that it should be an easy win for them.

The defense has a very, very long way to go. I'm just disagreeing with your point that they did nothing to improve. Between better coaching, better discipline, better gap control, better last defenses (Berry/Lewis), and probably a better 3rd and long defense (which killed us last year)....

They're not good enough yet to compete with some of the top offenses. Of course. But they've improved enough that teams like the Browns aren't going to stomp all over us like they did last season. Just my opinion. They'll be improved but still have a long way to go.


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