Chiefs cut someone to make room for NT Anthony Toribio
 

WR Quinten Lawrence released to make room for NT Anthony Toribio #Chiefs

from @JoshLooney

via Twitter Glad he is gone i think he should of been cut earlier.

Anything has to be an improvement at the NT at this point. At least we're trying something

Swiped him from the Packers practice squad?

I agree still hopeful we pick up the guy cut from the Giants.

then it shall not happen

first rule of the chiefs - whatever the fans want, they do not get. Period.

Good. He was ****ing worthless.

'09 Draft Class:

1. Jackson
3. Magee
4. Washington
5. Brown
6. Lawrence
7. O'Connell
7. Williams
7. Succop.

Going into the second year in the league, Brown never appeared on the roster for the team in a RS game, and never even made the PS

Williams has been cut twice

Washington and Magee were probably among the last to make the roster.

Lawrence has been cut twice.

Jackson is starting, and perhaps shouldn't be.

Succop is a slightly above average kicker

I say we find that shitcanned Pats scout and give him a raise.

Anyone who has ever defended that draft should have to be kicked in the nuts by about 100 people in a row.

That is the ugliest thing I've ever seen.

Hey, I have no complaints on our second 7th round pick. Isn't that the way drafts are rated? ;)

Should HAVE been cut earlier. /GrammarCop

When your best pick in a draft is a kicker...that is a hurricane sized red flag.

I think people are being too hard on Magee. He had a decent rookie season and he looked OK this preseason. He's probably not starting material but he can clearly get off a block and get after the passer in nickel packages. For a third round pick that isn't horrible.

But it is amusing how the 09 draft class is going down the tubes. If McCluster and Arenas turn out to be part time gimmicks, Pioli's first two drafts are gonna look pretty weak.

I agree alot of last years draft picks are being cut not a good sign :shake:

and more typing! :cuss:

The Chiefs wouldn't have been any worse off by keeping Connor Barth and using that pick elsewhere.

ROFL...only you could find something to complain about with the very last pick of the draft. Especially when that pick becomes only the 4th one in NFL history to ever start a game when picked at that point.

Just remember, on this very site people wanted to use late picks on Wesley Woodyard, Dannell Ellerbee and Brandon Siler, if those had happened those 7th round and UDFA players would have made our MLB's significantly better than they are today.

Late picks do matter.

Add to the fact that 7th round picks are helpful in trade up scenarios.

I won't deny that, but the fact still stands that he's a contributing player whose success percentage was 12 percent higher than the guy we had before. You can play hypotheticals about "we could have had X" all day, but the fact of the matter is, there's no guarantee that we would have taken any of those guys (and probably wouldn't have). We got a contributor out of the pick - that's all you can really ask.

Amen. I see 3 7th rounders a 6 5 and a 4th. Seriously all of them are a long shot to make any big impact. It's at least 20-1 shot. Now McGee and Jackson should have been way better especially Jackson.

Teams that always miss in those rounds are teams that aren't that good, you need to hit on some late picks.

Hence 4-12, 2-14, 4-12

Find me a consistently good team that doesn't have late round contributing players.

Bath was a horrible kicker at Arrowhead.

Agree but I'll bet if you looked at rounds 4-7 for the Patriots in the last ten years it's bust city. A good year is when you hit on two of the 6 picks the Chiefs had. Most is one or none.

Toribio doesn't have any stats at NFL.com.

But he has the leadership of a youth pastor. Thats good enough.

The Pats drafts from the last 5 years in general are bust city, it's why their team is fading.

In their good years they got guys like Asante Samuel in the 4th round.

I think you guys are too hard on the Pats drafts. Atleast the last few have been somewhat impressive from the games i've seen.

From their last several drafts Mayo and their kicker are about all they got..the TE's from this years don't look bad...but it's like damn you guys had 800 picks where are the players?

SWEET ZOMBIE JESUS

I THINK THE CHIEFS CUT QUENTIN LAWRENCE FOR A GHOST

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I like McCourtey, Merriwether,Butler,Vollmer, Edelmen, Herandez, Gronkowski. Spikes is slow but he didn't look that bad and he's starting with the first team. There also great at stockpiling picks maybe they trade down too much but at the same time odds say they are more likely to hit a homerun with more picks.

I will say this it doesn't matter if you have 20 picks if you are hitting about .100 with those picks.

Merriweathers draft he's the only player left, their kicker, pretty sure he's the only player left. Plus their DL is going to kill them, I don't remotely understand how they've had all these picks and not done anything about that or their lack of pass rushers.

Hey, hey, hey! We need all the help we can get!

Give us one of your CBs... :D They look great!

Damn. Denver swiped our RB off waivers ... forcryinoudloud.... lol

They drafted Berry and I wanted him BAD. he must have been the exception to the general rule

Damn, don't wanna be the grammar police, but please learn there, their and they're, took me a minute to understand which one you were using, and really broke up the thread for me.

(/rant)

The funny/sad part about the 2009 draft. Compared to the actual selections we made, our traded 2nd rounder was far and away our best pick.



:banghead:

There goes our future Austin Miles. Don't complain if he produces for another team.

I've been clowning AP members over this for an hour.

http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2010/9...ed-to#comments

They will defend Pioli to the last breath.

As soon as I got to the spot where the guy says Stafford is "average" and called guys like Cushing, Raji and Crabtree nothing special, I stopped reading.

That site is full of complete idiots.

You should protest my grammar by drinking a gallon of Mr.Clean ****tard.

How in the hell can you give any type of grade to a draft class after just 1yr? Unless of course you cut everyone of them the next yr.

2yrs minimum 4yrs max

Give'em at least 2yrs under the belt making the 3rd yr the defining yr.

It's a good thing the Chiefs had a billion picks a few years ago with misses like Cottam, Morgan, Franklin, ect.

Yet that draft has 5 starters...you get 5 starters out of any draft it's good.

The Chiefs most likely won't have 5 starters out of these last 2 drafts combined, ponder that.

Eh they wouldn't have 5 starters if they had the standard 7 picks that year which is my point. Still though should we compare Charles to Kris Wilson since he's only really a part time player? Theres no doubt Pioli ****ed up last draft but i've been impressed with this years rookies so far.

Wish they'd gotten more out of '09, but they didn't. Looks like Jackson and Succop are it out of that class. They may have 5 starters out of the last draft, though, if Moeaki manages to get and stay healthy, with Barry, McCluster, Asamoah, Moeaki and Lewis, and Arenas as nickel corner is already essentially a starter, too. I would be surprised if they weren't all playing significant time by the end of the year. I think Sheffield has a chance, as well, further down the road. As much as I didn't like '09 (and I didn't like anything about '09) I really like what they did this year.

Moeaki looks awesome. He had the best 1-catch preseason in the history of the NFL.

I think I missed his one catch.

He's an enigma. I heard all through OTAs and camp how great he was and then he's hurt. Maybe he's the new Bigfoot, reports of sightings but I never get to witness it myself.

Nobody doubts that 2009 sucked ass.

But out of 2010, Berry and Asamoah are pretty much surefire starters. Kendrick Lewis and Tony Moeaki could start as soon as this season. And Javier Arenas and Dexter McCluster will likely contribute to about a starter level.

To say that this draft is going to yield 2 starters or less is the definition of misleading. 4-5 of those guys will have a significant role with this team and 1 of those guys could on the very big "if" he stays healthy.

The ONLY guy who looks like a starter now is Berry. Asamoah had a lousy preseason. He should have challenged for a starting job.

The rest of these guys have a lot to prove before they "resemble surefire starters." Especially, Moeaki, the one-catch, injury-prone wonder.

This guy's got nothin' on Bigfoot.

He's more like the Loch Ness Monster.

Surefire isn't the right word, but I think most feel pretty sure that he'll get his shit together and start. If not this year, then next year. I'm just commenting on Mecca's post that we'll likely only have 2 starters out of 2009 and 2010. If we're only talking about 2010 alone, there's a decent enough chance we could end up w/3-4 starters... and that's not including Arenas and McCluster, who aren't exactly backups--far from it. Moeaki's got a lot to prove, but I think Kendrick Lewis has proven quite a bit. He better be starting over McGraw.

Just pointing out how misleading mecca's comment was.

Based on what, sheer hope?

McCluster and Arenas look exactly like backups right now.

McCluster looks like a backup running back who can't hack it as a slot wide receiver, which still wouldn't be a starting position, but would be enough to justify his draft position.

Arenas looks like a backup corner who is a good punt returner.

Lewis, if he starts, will only start because we have shit at safety.

It's not misleading, kick returning nickelbacks are role players and not starters. If Tony Moeaki goes 5 minutes without getting injured it'll be the first time in his life..

Berry's a starter and the guard "should" start at some point, Lewis probably will we're up to 3 and McCluster is once again a role player.

On top of that who are we counting as starters from that other draft..Magee is never going to start, Tyson Jackson is bad enough that maybe he shouldn't be and counting a kicker as a starter is well a cheap starter.

And starter/contributing role player aren't the same thing. Brandon Flowers was a 2nd round CB, Arenas is a 2nd round CB one of them is great value one of them is not.

Pretty simple, really.

If Arenas is worth that draft slot, Carr should be sweating by season's end.

I don't see that happening...I do enjoy how this team put such high value on return man though meanwhile we'll challenge for worst run D in the league.

Come on, Mecca.

I've been told repeatedly that the defense has been really impressive in preseason.

LMAO

I really like some of the guys on this team but as long as the front 7 looks like this they won't be able to show what they have.

I'll say give it 3 years before fully evaluating a draft class.
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can this NT play or is he more fodder ....

There's also a such thing as a ceiling, Tyson Jackson's ceiling is the type of ceiling that 3rd round picks generally have...

Which means that Magee, like Jarron Gilbert, should have been cut.

If Gilbert catches on with a 3-4 team he'll be ok, he was never suited to play DT.

Ole Miss was great without Lewis and Mccluster yesterday.

Some day I'd like to see them pick somebody off waivers who doesn't make me think "who?" and/or "why?"

Although Chris Chambers last year wasn't too bad.

Florida sucks ass without Tebow, that really isn't relevant to the pro game.

I think Lewis should be starting, not because we have shit otherwise at saftey, but because he seems to have good instincts.

It is misleading. When your only criteria for draft success is "are you a starter," that's stupid. A slot receiver can gain about 500-600 yards and be considered effective. A 5-technique can average about 40 tackles and be effective. And on most teams, a good chunk of starters aren't game-changers. They're just guys who are good enough to avoid the big mistake.

I don't give a shit if they start. I care about whether they help this football team and if they make a noticeable impact. Moving from the worst to best return game and if (and a big if) we can finally shut down slot receivers in an NFL that is becoming increasingly spread-oriented and moving to much more 3-WR sets... that's more than just a support role. That's important. Even if McCluster can net between 500-700 yards and comes up with a few big plays, who the **** cares if he's in on 100% of the snaps or 50%. If he makes big plays, contributes, and also gives Weis the opportunity to be a lot more deceptive in his playcalling, those are big contributions. Frankly, I don't get how McCluster is any more a role player than, say, a Terence Cody, who wouldn't be an every-down Tackle. Or Golden Tate, who will likely be a slot receiver.

Considering the multiple arrests and threats from his "stalker" towards his wife, and his lack of football presence, it's no wonder that San Diego even decided to go into the season with him.

But it's all good now, since he divorced his wife and married his stalker.

I'm sure at age 32 and after signing a nice extension with the Chiefs, he'll be as good as new.

:rolleyes:

You shut down receivers with a pass rush not by drafting 50 CB's in a league that has rules that favor the offense in coverage.

Until the Chiefs have a pass rush and a competent front 7 they will continue to get passed and run upon.

First of all, there are plenty of really good defenses that are a lot more talented in the secondary than they are up front. The Bengals, Packers, and Jets are classic examples. Those teams aren't bad up front, but their greatest strengths by a mile are in their secondaries. And there are plenty of teams that are very good up front, but struggled because they can't stop the pass. Philly was a mess without Lito Sheppard, Brian Dawkins, and Sheldon Brown. Dallas is another example.

Point being, of course we need better play up front and that takes priority. But a Nickel Back is extremely important in our 5-year plan. We're not going to win without one--not in this league. So what does it matter if it was today or tomorrow that we got the guy we want?

Uh..The Bengals secondary is ok, their safeties are piss poor, I think their front 7 is a little better than their secondary.

Also the Packers are talented in general but if you were listing out needs CB is the first one that comes to mind. I think that's highly arguable where the Packers are better at. Sure Woodson and Collins are top of the line players but Atari Bigby is probably getting replaced by a 2nd rounder and they have issues at the other CB spot.

What I find interesting about that entire post is Dallas has a better front 7 than Cincy does and their secondary is basically the same thing 2 good CB's and blah safeties so what kind of point was this trying to make again?

returns are exciting
a great run D just stops things from happening

it's not fun
it's not shiny

Remember when the Bengals won the 09 draft

1 Andre Smith
Hurt his first year and an interesting thread about his preseason play this year: http://boards.bengals.com/showthread.php?p=1719787

2 Rey Maualuga
pretty productive but not overwhelmingly impressive in his rookie season. Got injured late last season, but is a starter nonetheless. DUI in 2010 at over twice the legal limit was his second arrest---first for DUI

3a Michael Johnson
Had 3 sacks last year, but here's a high 3rd rounder who is still on the bench. Should get a lot of playing time though and this shoud be a telling year for him

3b Chase Coffman
don't really have to put anything here...well ok...practice squad

4 Jonathan Luigs C
Cut this year. 1 year with team. I believe he had some injury issues

5 Kevin Huber P
starting, but is a punter. 28th in Net punting, middle of the pack for Inside 20

6a Trent Morgan CB
not a starter, but not a bad role player

6b Bernard Scott RB
good backup by all accounts. Supposed to compete for a starting job one day

7a Fui Vakapuna FB
Has yet to make team, though might luck out with IR this year

7b Freddie Brown WR
Vikings practice squad


recap:
10 players drafted
6 on 53 man roster....1 on IR (gift)...1 on practice squad
2 starters (3 counting the Punter)


Scott may save this class eventually

I don't recall anyone on Chiefsplanet, let alone the football media, declaring the Bengals winning anything in regards to the draft.

Please explain.

bernard scott...

talking about the Bengals....not Pioli

Chiefs 09 class is already done for

Sure it is those guys were impact players and Florida doesn't suck it wasn't Brantley who was ****ing up.

I don't think anyone declared the Bengals the draft winner, Smith was questionable, their 2nd and 3rd round picks however were good picks so people liked those.

I'm trying to remember which drafts I liked the best right after the draft. I really liked the Giants draft I remember that one. Baltimore, Green Bay the usual suspects.

Actually if you want to use a team as an example that was declared the draft winner following the 2009 draft, it's the Eagles not the Bengals, pretty sure everyone loved all their picks.