ESPN Talks AFCW: Chiefs & Raiders up, SD & Denver down
 

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Chiefs up hoes down.

Jaws is usually right and he said less than 6 W's .

The same asshole who had "the playbook" when DV was in town?...

Gruden is a bitch

Cassel sucks. Ok now this is a planet thread. Carry on.

8-8

Gruden always has that look on his face like he just slipped a turd in somebody's punchbowl.

6-10 is realistic for this team.

until we could prove to stop the run and get good qb play, I don't see us contending.

FYP

Yeah he looks like one of those guys that has evil in the back of his mind.

Bolts have the best QB in the AFC West by far....it isnt even close. Bolts win.

Yeah I agree.

It really comes down to that. Although, no left tackle?...plus problems w/ Vincent Jackson...Antonio Pierce brought up some interesting points.

They'll probably win the division, yes. I'll give them that. But will they be as good as they were last year? I don't know.

What is with that round table look? It is creepy. The table is so high they look like 4th graders and it's a little distracting seeing their hands awkwardly fidgeting under the table. Plus, Jaws legs do not look attached to his body. STOP THIS PLEASE.

So why do they barely manage to win most the time?...

After the last few seasons 6+ wins and a defense would be nice.

So you don't see us winning more than 2 more games than last year even though realistically this team SHOULD have won 6 and possibly 7 games last year and have improved the talent on both sides of the ball?

Barely manage to win what?

The Chargers average margin of victory last year was 11.23 points.

The Chargers average games ahead of the 2nd place team in the division over the last 4 years is 3.5 games (thats including one year when they went 8-8 and so did the Broncos).

I think 6 should be the expectation and 8-8 if we have no injuries and everything goes our way...

While they have struggled to make the playoffs 1/2 the time and in one of the Chiefs worst seasons managed to beat them by a combined 3 pts.

The only reason the Chargers aren't looked at like the 90's Bills.....well......they choke WAY before the SB...

They struggled to make the playoffs once in the last 4 years, and they won a playoff game when they got there.

And yes, they only won by 1 point against the Chiefs, but that was in their 8-8 season. It was a down year, yet they still made it to the playoffs and beat the Colts. You expect them to win EVERY game by 10 points?

No.

I expect them to step on their d!cks every single year like they have for the last 15...

Then what do you expect from the Chiefs????

ROFL

with no QB? I expect almost nothing at all.

look at it like this: it's a QB-driven league. if you have a pro-bowl QB with weapons, you SHOULD go deep into the playoffs ever year. we haven't had that QB since my dad was still a teenager (early 70's). he's now 53 years old.

there is NO reason that they chargers suck as much ass as they do. in a weak division, with an all-world QB, you should be NO LESS THAN 12-4 every damned year. that you don't is the definition of choking.

14-2 (0-1)
11-5 (2-1)
8-8 (1-1)
13-3 (0-1)

Whatever dude. You could take a look at us and say that we will always choke in the playoffs, or you could look at history and see other teams that were in the same situation as us and actually won a Super Bowl later. Just because we've choked in the past doesn't mean it will happen this year. You can't write history before it happens. Anything could happen this year. Thats why you play the games.

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****, you've had drew brees, dan fouts AND phil rivers since the chiefs last won a super-bowl. wanna talk not fair?

and you still haven't won the big game. you had to have stan ****ing humphries to take you to the super bowl. jesus, have fun with that shit.

**** you. You've had Joe Montana, Trent Green, and TYLER THIGPEN SINCE THEN!

montana (two years), green (three years, and he wasn't really even as good as any of your three) and the skeleton ****er himself.

yeah, you obviously have a ton of material. we're chiefs fans: we can out-pathetic ANYBODY. :p

Drew Brees - Sucked Dick in 01-03, Had a good 04 season, Injured in 05
Philip Rivers - Good to great 4 years

Dan Fouts - I wasn't even alive when he was our starting QB, so I don't give a shit.

Ryan Leaf, Moses Moreno, Craig Wheelihan, Jim Harbaugh, Erik Kramer, Doug Flutie, Jim Everett, Stan Humphries, Sean Salisbury, Gale Gilbert, John Friesz, Bob Gagliano, Billy Joe Tolliver, Jim McMahon, Mark Malone, Babe Lufenberg, Mark Vlasic, Rick Neuheisel, Mark Herrmann, Mike Kelley

Those are all our Starting QBs since Dan Fouts, so you can get out of here with the QB pity.

Still can't believe thigpen couldn't get us a super bowl.
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I think 8-8. We were very close to winning 3 more games last but could finish in the 4th. Our talent has gone way up and there will be better game planning.

We do. Why would anybody believe otherwise?

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We could go 7-9?

From a personnel point, we didn't really make enough changes to convince me that we'll see drastic improvement. No doubt we will improve but I think it is going to be a slow and steady progresss. In my opinion, the improvement is going to come from coaching. I agree with Bruschi's take, we've added some championship caliber co-ordinators and that should help in the developmental process of our young players.

I still think the Chiefs are a team in transition. Let's face it, we are not there yet. Until this team upgrades their personnel on both sides of the ball where we see an infusion of talent everywhere, then I'll say yeah we could very well win more than 7 games or possibly compete for a superbowl. In reality, we are far from that.

This team still needs:

-A dominant NT
-A better quarterback
-I still believe we need ILB's. We need guys that are more physical and smart if we are going to prove that we could stop the run. D Williams and DJ do not possess those attributes. I also think we could another passrusher, but I don't think that will be a problem this year. We will find ways to get to the quarterback w/ this def co-ordinator.

*We are still going to be soft on defense. We don't have enough guys that have killer instinct. The Oline is still a work in progress. And has some questions and concerns. Can Richardson develop into a solid RT? Is Wiegmann a good stopgap at center for this year? waters is on the decline. Will Albert prove he can be a franchise LT?

The OL is something to keep in mind, whether everything works out and gels in that area is another story. Im hoping for an efficient unit altogether, till now, it remains a weakness on the team. I think we've failed to find a set of players that can develop cohesion amongst each other.

Is Bowe gonna rebound back, and be the player he was the first two years here? Is Cassel gonna shock everybody and prove to the rest of us that he can play quarterback and be the captain this team needs. Another question mark. There are too many question marks on this team that need to be answered. And the fact we are weak in key areas doesn't sit well with me.

Im not gonna jump the gun and say we are going to win more than 7 games. I still think this team needs to learn how to win first before we could jump ahead of ourselves. The whole key to this season should be to build confidence. Secondly, because this is a young team, another concern I believe is their inability to finish off games. We've seen this from time to time even when Herm and Carl were here till now. How many times did teams come back on us to drive and win games? plenty. I thought we were gonna lose against the Pack. I want us to develop character, and learn to win. finishing off games imo is learning how to win. We lack that, and hopefully that is a transition problem that comes from lack of maturity.

Even 6 wins is a drastic improvement over 2-14. I expect 6 wins from KC... and I hate that fuggin team. They are of the Devil... don't see how you folks can voluntarily support those evil fugtards.

Josh McDaniels was voted Rookie Head Coach of the Year
by the Mid-West Chapter of Midgets with out Limits :) /KnowMo

A drastic improvement would be like 10 wins. Or like what we saw from the phins. One year they were 1-15, and the next year they go 11-5.

That is what I meant from drastic improvement jmo.

Are they at Denny's

2-14
4-12
6-10

Hey, look on the positive side. Only 5 more seasons until we go 16-0!!!!!111

My viewpoint is you got that record against a very very crappy AFCW teams.. You were basically given 3-4 free wins each year because of how bad Den,Oak and KC have been.. Basically a free ride to the playoffs.. ( 5-1,5-1,5-1 and 5-1 in the division the past 4)

Then add the fact your defense is worse, you lost your main WR weapon.. Gambling on a rookie RB.. That and this will be the first time in a long while that the other division rivals have gotten a bit better... Well except Denver..


Basically your team had a good four year window where they should have received a free ride to the AFC championship game from the free wins alone from the division..

There is just no killer instinct in your team..

All depends on JCharles and how he does this year..

Hopefully our playaction attack is up to par and we do not drop as many passes.. 8-8 imo is our best shot at wins, and that might be enough to win the division this year, that is how weak I think it is or even if you will..

Again, 2008 was a bad year, but are you just going to ignore the 9-1, 6-4, and 8-2 record outside of the AFC West in all those other years? Are you saying we didn't deserve to make the playoffs in any of those 3 years?

The playoffs aren't a free ride, what you said sounds like a joke.

The Chargers have been Choke Artists, I will agree with, but that doesn't mean that can't all change this year.

"Maybe next year"

Not me. Running the table in the 2nd half of last season was admirable... that was one bad ass run. You guyz deserved your playoffs. But, as you say, everyone expects a choke cuz its always been that way save '94 when you made the Bowl. You get there again & respect for your team quadruples.

Yep. I agree that the Chargers deserve criticism for not going to the Super Bowl, but I still think they can. I'm not sure why some people think their window is closed.

you guys have phil rivers: your window isn't closed. you guys have norf turner: your window is closed.

:)

"trying to get to a 3-4 defense. It takes time to do that."

That's an interesting observation.

I wouldn't count them out. You know what I find scary about that team?

Their QB keeps getting better. Ryan Matthews was the right pick for them since LT is slowing down.

They have some question marks, but they're still unquestionably the best team in the AFCW. Even despite the fact, their divisional rivals were sh*tty, they still did what good teams do, that is, win your division games regardless if the teams in your division are either good or bad. But, when it came to crunch time, to win against top notch competition, they choked. Choking just seems to be a part of that franchise for some reason. they don't have enough juice to get over that hump. I've always found that about San Diego teams.

Maybe. The Packers got rid of their Jared Allen (Aaron Kampman) just like us and seem to be doing just fine with that "difficult" 3-4 changeover.

Bolts win division and the next three are pretty close with Oakland winning 8 coming in second place.

Not saying you would have not gone to the playoffs.. But if you had a competent division you probably would not have won the division two of those times if KC/Den/Oak played to par.. From other teams perspectives your team has NEVER been great like the other division powerhouses of that time..

Playoffs are not a free ride, but IF your teams were as great as you believe they would have at least won each of their first games.. Of course that might the difference, you are buying into the regular season hype.. I am viewing your teams as a better version of the 90's chiefs..

And I do not think the Chargers are choke artists in the playoffs.. You lose the games I expect.. If anything your main achievement is having Peyton's number..


Why exactly do you think your team is better this year??

Now I still expect you to win the division this year, but it will be much closer.. Something like

SD 9-7
Oak 8-8
KC 6-10
Den 5-11

Is Mathews going to save you? Do you expect any dropoff from losing Vincent or was he a prospect of Rivers?? Has McNeill signed?? Is Merriam ever going to come back to steroid form? Do you think your division rivals have gotten better??

That is what I think stopped them from being great.. They faced the AFCW.. They were not prepared for facing elite teams in the playoffs..

Rivers is their only saving grace.. Thankfully for us they still have Norv to limit him in the playoffs..

haha, I remember that. Was so dumb

FWIW this is how I see it

SD 12-4
Oak 7-9
Den 5-11
KC 5-11

Mathews is about a 200% upgrade to our RB position. McNeil is a great pass blocker, but he sucks at run blocking, and his replacement has looked great going against guys like Julius Peppers, Demarcus Ware, Marcus Spears, and others in preseason (at pass blocking), and he is a great run blocker. If you look at our numbers, we couldn't really run to the left side last year. I don't think Merriman will ever reproduce his numbers from 05-06, but he is a decent player without the roids.

LOL....I think it was "The Blueprint"