Why are the Chargers that much better?
 

I know I'm going to get a lot of flack for saying this and I even put money on the under for the chargers and the over on the chiefs because of this but I just don't see where they are that great of a team, especially with the changes.

Comparisons:

QB Chargers - B/B+ (not elite) Chiefs C (average at best)
RB Chargers - B- Chiefs A (may have best in league with combo)
WR Chargers - C+/B- (with holdout) Chiefs C+/B-
Oline Chargers - B Chiefs - B
TE Chargers - A Chiefs - D/C ( still not sure on 3rd round pick)
DL Chargers - B Chiefs - C/C+
LB Chargers - B Chiefs - B
Sec Chargers - C Chiefs - B+
Spec Chargers - B Chiefs - A
coaching Chargers -C Chiefs - B (with new off and def cord)

I guess we will see Monday but I just don't see it with the Chargers this year, besides QB, they are very pedestrian and we are better in several areas.

lol at a B for Philip Rivers.

QB QB QB QB QB QB QB QB QB QB QB QB QB QB QB QB

QB: Chargers
RB: Chiefs
WR: Chiefs
TE: Chargers
OL: Chargers
DL: Chargers
LB: Chargers
CB/S: Chiefs
K: Chargers
P: Chiefs

What's your view on the coaching?

I know Norv's a smart guy and has been around a long tmie, but I find it hard to give that douchenozzle the nod in any sort of coaching match. I mean... it's Norv, fer crissake.

The only thing that matters in this game is how Gates does against your LBs and Safetys. He has a good game, we win, he doesn't, you win.

rivers is a B


god bless chiefs fans

I'm more concerned with Mathews than I am Gates. I have a feeling that Mathews is going to tear us a new one.

I would be more concerned about the Future HOF TE who is still in the prime of his career, who is faster than LBs and stronger that Safeties....but thats just me.

Hilarious, eh?

Why? The QB who is throwing the ball to him....is only a B.

YEAH BUT OUR RB IS A B-!

Haley and Norv are both great OCs. Head coaches? Meh.

in most areas bolts are better .. but its at home new coaching and players so we'll just have to see what happens ....

Because the Chargers used to draft good but now AJ Smith for the most part is an idiot.

I wouldn't call Haley a "great" offensive coordinator. He was the OC in name only in 2007 and while the 2008 Cardinals had a potent offense, he had a HOF QB and WR on that squad (with Whisenhunt looking over his shoulder).

Haley certainly didn't look "great" last year and Norv in his time in the NFL has done a good job with far less talent.

It's hard to dispute Norv's success in Dallas as an OC and in San Diego as a head coach.

Has he won a Super Bowl as a head coach? No. But he certainly isn't near as bad as he's made out to be on Chiefsplanet.

It's amazing how important that one area in which they're ridiculously better than us is, huh?

And I agree with Dane. Norv gets labeled as a ****ing moron, but that's hardly accurate.

I think Haley has the great OC part in him......he just hasn't shown it in KC so far.

And if you're going to say that Haley had a HOF QB and WR on that squad.....then you also have to mention that Turner had Aikman and Smith on his team.

Simply the QB my friend.

B+ to A minus tops. Why, do you think he should be higher? Rivers is a top 10 QB sure, but not let's fellate the guy.

:spock:

I would give my left ****ing nut to have Rivers as our QB.

Uh, he's right behind Manning, Brady, Brees, Rodgers.

Rivers is the only reason that team is still competing. and for as long as he's there, the Chargers will be in the hunt.

We have better backs. We have better starting Wr's right now, but less depth. Better starting DB's, but less depth. Better pass rushing OLB, but that's it. We lose every where else. except for Punter.

The difference being that was Haley's ONLY experience as an OC. Norv had some pretty decent offenses with Trent Green and Philip Rivers, not to mention his stint in Miami.

I'm skeptical of one's qualifications based on one single season.

OK, that's fine, but you seem to mock the OP's designation of a B/B+......why? I acknowledge he's a good QB, but not left nut good. He's kind of a bitch, and he's not the carry-the-team type.

I would rather have Mathews and Sproles than Jones and Charles.

He was also the passing game coordinator for Dallas.

I don't buy that KC has better wide receivers. Chambers was dumped by San Diego and Dwayne Bowe, IMO, is starting from scratch. His 2009 was shit and it's yet to be seen whether or not his new found "seriousness" actually translates.

Yeah but you're stupid.

but would you fella.. fell iast

blow him

OK I'll play........why?

And Malcolm Floyd and Nanee have done what? Both Chambers and Bowe have proven more than either Floyd or Nanee-However the **** you spell his name.

They're just big. That's it.

Jamaal Charles = speed demon who isn't very good at running in-between the tackles and is a liability in pass pro and has fumbling issues.

Sproles = speed demon who isn't very good at running in-between the tackles but isn't a liability in pass pro and is much better at catching passes and in the return game.

Thomas Jones = Workhorse back who can be trusted to hold onto the ball, run between the tackles, catch passes, and help in pass pro.

Mathews = Most complete back out of all 4 of them. Can run inside or outside, can catch passes, can help in pass pro, and is younger than all of them.

Floyd is basically on par with the Chiefs WR's they don't have a 2 though, so Gates basically takes that role. If you factor TE into overall receivers San Diego is slightly better.

For RB this is what I'd say, Jones age plays a part, yet Sproles is just a role player due to size. Matthews has a chance to be the most legit of any of the RB's in the game with his combo of size, speed, etc etc. He can be the most complete back and one of the best in the league.

Charles is the big play guy like Sproles but is more than a role guy...

So I think they're close, San Diego's has potential to be one of the best in the league by the end of the year because they can have a workhorse complimented by speed.

I don't think Thomas Jones blows but I question what he'll do behind this line...I'll give the Chiefs a slight edge going into the game because Charles is proven and Matthews is not. At the end of the year that may look much different.

And for anyone who thinks Rivers is a B you need mental help. Top 5 QB's in the league are A's.

GTFO.

Charles had no issues running between the tackles all over Denver, did he? And Sproles isn't a pass blocking liability?

Are you seriously trying to say that Sproles is a better back than Charles? ROFL

What the **** kind of drugs to you abuse?

And at age 32, the wheels could fall off at any time, especially since he's now dumped his wife for his stalker (which is why San Diego dumped him last year - he couldn't stay focused).

True dat. But until the wheels fall off the edge has to go to him over Legadu. And until Floyd shows he can be more than a compliment to Jackson and Gates, I'd have to give the edge to Bowe.

But their QB can actually get them the ball.

Jamaal gets his yards off of sweeps and off tackle runs. If he was good between the tackles Thomas Jones would not have been brought in.

Charles isn't a willing blocker, Sproles is. I have seen him sacrifice his body numerous times by cutting a blitzer or DE.

What does that have to do with comparing players?

Don't get me wrong, I like Bowe. But he's basically starting over this year. Last year was a disaster. If he can stay clean and get back on his 2007-2008 pace, I'll be thrilled.

But I'll believe it when I see it.

Furthermore, it's difficult to not categorize Gates as a receiver, especially given that he grabs at least 8 TD's each year and 80 plus catches.

Matthews and Gates might be all Rivers needs to terrorize the Chiefs defense.

Your WR is kind of useless if he never gets the ball.

I think the teams overall receiving games are comparable talent wise it's just that when the years over theirs will have much better production.

:facepalm:

You need to pay closer attention. I see Sproles every Sunday. Trust me, he is not a blocker. Diving at a DE's feet isn't exactly "willing" to take on a block.

Charles isn't willing? You need to pay attention, son. He may not be very good at it, but he's plenty willing.

If I had my choice today of:

1. Charles and Jones
2. Matthews and Sproles

I'd chose number two, hands down.

Pretty much. Im expecting Matthews to run for about 120 and Gates to rip us in the middle. I think the score will be closer than it should be and the Chargers will control the ball.

True dat.

But I think our starting WR's are better talent wise but they have more depth.

I expect Matthews to get at least 170 yards on the ground and another 50 in the air. Gates will probably shred and grab at least one TD.

I don't think the score will even be close.

I'm not predicting big numbers or high scores because I think they'll play a slow, effecient ball control style offense.

Half a quarter-quarter long drives, eat the clock and go home.

And that's simply because odds are pretty good at the end of the year Matthews is a top 5 back.

The Chargers have a top 5 QB in the league and are facing a defense that can't force turnovers or put pressure on the QB.

The Chiefs can hope for an implosion of some sort, which is somewhat likely to happen given it's the early season Chargers, but that's about the only way they can win the game. While the Chargers defense isn't special at all, Matt Cassel is hardly the answer to putting this disjointed offense together and scoring a buttload of points (which is what it's going to take to outscore the Chargers).

That's why the Chargers are favored to win.

I think the basis is that with this teams front 7, teams with talent are going to move the ball up and down the field.

Sproles is the worst out of the 4 as far as running the ball is concerned, but he is the best of the 4 as far as Special Teams and Catching the ball go.

Top 5....jeezus. It's probably because he beats us all the time that you guys put him right after Rodgers, Brees, Brady and Manning.

34 and 28 TD's back to back seasons.......whens the last time a Chiefs QB had a "B" seasons like that???

LOL......see what I mean?

Has nothing to do with the Chiefs, guy is a great player.

It's no different than Chiefs fans who always underrate QB's because we've never had one in most of the people posting here's lifetimes.

Was John Elway a B QB until he won a SB?

Matthews can't make the cuts a good Back needs to be able to make. He's LJ part II. If his line opens holes he'll hit them but if they don't he be average.

Mathews is waaaay overhyped.

If Rivers is a "B"...Cassel isn't even on the ****ing scale.

Underestimate Crennel Power at your own risk, Mr. Mecca.

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It does,I believe. Since he's the best QB in the division and we're a QB starved team and we face him twice a year, his status gets a little inflated. Puttin' the Pussy on a pedestal, so to speak....:D

I'd love to hear about all these QB's that are better than Phillip Rivers.

Favre is better, but nobody likes him because of his offseason BS every year. Doesn't take away his talent. Schaub is a better QB, as is Romo, even though I don't like him, the dude has talent. I may even take Roethlisberger, too. (eh, probably not; maybe two years ago)

Whatever guys, it's my opinion and probably wrong. This is CP after all

I stand by it regardless.

By this rationale you predict/expect that Matthews will be better than 3 of the following: Chris Johnson, AP, Rice, MJD, Gore, Steven Jackson and Turner? Greene, Mendenhall, Charles and Stewart are all possibly better as well.

Doubt it.

Pretty high expectations expecting a rookie to be a top 5 RB before even playing one game.

The Chargers are a lot better simply because they have better overall personnel than the Chiefs. Just look up and down their roster and compare you'll see they have better players than ours.

We all know the Chargers are better until proven otherwise that's no question. Also, we all know Arrowhead will be rocking Monday night, the players will be pumped, etc. The question is are the Chiefs good enough to ride that energy to a win? We all know if this were last year it wouldn't be possible. They could've been taking acid and Red Bull while the Chargers hit some of that purple drank and the Chargers still would've whooped us. It will be interesting to see Monday night. I'm excited to see if we are good enough to ride that electricity.

I still think the Chargers will win, and are better, but anything can happen, especially in a loud stadium.

Watch this video if you think otherwise.

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I don't think Romo is better than Rivers, neither is Schaub. I'd rather have Rivers than those guys, just me though.

Rivers imo is a top 5 QB in this league.

That's the one.

Sure, but Matthews was the perfect fit for that team and was an absolute terror in college. Since they've (the Chargers) been offensively schemed for LT, it's a perfect opportunity for Matthews to come in and have the team not miss a beat. RB is probably the easiest position for a rookie to have success with and it's a perfect scenario for both Matthews and the Chargers.

You never know how things end up, but if anyone has a chance to put up huge numbers as a rookie at running back, Matthews is the one I'd bet on.

I like Matt Shaub, but you're right.

No way in hell Shaub and Romo are better than Rivers.

Because they actually have the players to play a 3-4 and draft base on BPA at a positional need regardless of character issue and more so actual in game athletic talent.

If he's a B....then is Cassel even in the alphabet?

Top 5:

Brees
Rodgers
Manning
Brady
Rivers

1. Manning
2. Brees
3. Rivers
4. Rodgers
5. Schaub

Not even being a homer. Brady, pretty much shat it up half the time last year.

I'd agree.

In no particular order, IMO...

Brees
Peyton Manning
Ben "I'll take the rapist for 300 Alex" Roethlisberger
Brady
Rivers
Rodgers 5A

Rodgers will enter into the discussion more credibly when he wins a playoff game, IMO. He's top, don't get me wrong, I'm just basing the list with wins added into the equation. There's no doubt he'll be winning playoff games soon, and a bunch.

I'd rather have Rodgers than Rivers just because he can make play outside of the pocket and has a stronger arm.